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post #241 of 10880
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Originally Posted by Reldan View Post

I am primarily a HTPC user. It's the reason I bought this TV. I don't even have cable or a standalone DVD player hooked up right now.

After using the set for the night I must say I'm more than pleased. As a monitor this set will work better than any other on the market right now. It has a built in PC Aspect which gives you no over or underscan AND 1:1 pixel mapping at 1920X1080. It has a built it toggle between Video and PC grayscale levels.


Thanks for the quick reply. I'm glad to hear I should have no overscan issues. What about viewing DVD's through the PC? This too has no issues? Are DVD's played or upscaled or 'whatevered' into 1080p ?

Thanks
post #242 of 10880
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Originally Posted by AVIDAV View Post

Go to CNN,FOX, or CNBC-anything with a scroll on SD or digital. Panorama supposed to work exactly as you stated but I'm getting clip at top and bottom.

You're correct, the Panorama on the MDTV units do not stretch the image horizontally only. There is also a slight stretch vertically. This will be passed along.
post #243 of 10880
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Originally Posted by Franchot View Post

I'm still wondering about black & white films on the TV and are people seeing any rainbows at all. Anybody got "Sin City" and could it a try?

Also, I asked about the bars/pillars on the sides of 4:3 films shown in their correct aspect. Are the bars gray or black? Do you have choice?

Thanks for any answers.

The pillar bars are black. I have not come across anyway to change these.
post #244 of 10880
What about the lip-sync matter???

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Originally Posted by dk0r View Post

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Originally Posted by GoobTheNoob View Post

I'm guessing you're sending the audio to your receiver. When you send video to the TV and audio to a receiver, the video takes longer to process (scaling and any image enhancement) than the audio. The receiver processes the audio much quicker, thus they become out of sync. Many receivers have an audio delay feature that will help correct lip sync. Other products like the Felston provide audio delay that is easily configured via a remote as lip sync tends to vary from source to source. If you are using the TV speakers then it would seem that HP didn't delay the audio during its image processing but that would be a fairly major oversight.

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Originally Posted by dk0r View Post

Prescribing to the same method above (audio to receiver & video to TV) what solutions are possible when my receiver (YAMAHA RX-V730) does not possess an 'audio delay' feature? I'm unsure if lipsync will be a problem, but if it be then what solutions are there? I'm a bit confused on this..
Do you, for example, run the audio from your dvd player through the display and then back to your receiver? And if so, would that not then require a number of audio in/out's on the display for a multitude of different sources?(cablebox/dvr,pc,consoles). That doesn't seem practical. So how does one resolve the prospective lip sync problem?

Can someone please chime in on the above? I'd like to order my display
post #245 of 10880
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Originally Posted by dk0r View Post

What about the lip-sync matter???



Can someone please chime in on the above? I'd like to order my display

First off there are NO reports that there is an internal delay if the TV is fed and puts out the sound and the picture.

There have been a couple of people with lag where they have sent sound from source to receiver and video to the TV due to slight but noticeable processing differences in the audio and video.

Solutions:
1) Audio delay built in the receiver
2) External audio delayer such as the Felston unit
3) Run audio through TV then to receiver (this is possible on the HP which has multiple sound inputs for every video input, HDMI audio runs in the same cable, and the digital coaxial out) through the TV's digital out.

You do not need mulitple out because you only listen to one sound source at a time, you only need mulitple ins and one digital out which the HP has.

All you have to do now is make sure that HP passes 5.1 through HDMI to the coax audio out, and I do not know for sure what the answer is to that and will leave it to the owners.
post #246 of 10880
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Originally Posted by dk0r View Post

What about the lip-sync matter???................... Can someone please chime in on the above? I'd like to order my display

Lip sync is a know problem with this technology. It's not exclusive to HP. Samsung has the problem, as do other manufacturers to a lesser degree.

If it's a problem in your situation you buy something to fix it. Felston sells a unit that works, or you buy a receiver with the delay feature built in. If you like the Yamaha RX-V line, I believe lip sync is built into models as far down as the entry level RX-V457 with 0-160 millisecond delay.
post #247 of 10880
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Originally Posted by flashgordon333 View Post

Solutions for Lip-Sync issues :
1) Audio delay built in the receiver
2) External audio delayer such as the Felston unit
3) Run audio through TV then to receiver (this is possible on the HP which has multiple sound inputs for every video input, HDMI audio runs in the same cable, and the digital coaxial out) through the TV's digital out.

You do not need mulitple out because you only listen to one sound source at a time, you only need mulitple ins and one digital out which the HP has.

All you have to do now is make sure that HP passes 5.1 through HDMI to the coax audio out, and I do not know for sure what the answer is to that and will leave it to the owners.

Any owners know if 5.1 through HDMI to the coax audio out??? I'm unsure where I saw it, but I believe I read that is does not. Can an owner please confirm?


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Originally Posted by lexx View Post

If you like the Yamaha RX-V line, I believe lip sync is built into models as far down as the entry level RX-V457 with 0-160 millisecond delay.

When you say built in, does that mean theres no on/off option and the delay feature is automated?!?
post #248 of 10880
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Originally Posted by dk0r View Post

When you say built in, does that mean theres no on/off option and the delay feature is automated?!?

The lip sync feature is built into the Yamaha receiver. You don't need an external device. The lip sync feature is adjustable from zero to 160 milliseconds on the receiver mentioned.
post #249 of 10880
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Originally Posted by lexx View Post

The lip sync feature is built into the Yamaha receiver. You don't need an external device. The lip sync feature is adjustable from zero to 160 milliseconds on the receiver mentioned.

I have ran through the entire Yamaha RX-V730 manual which can be viewed by clicking HERE and the only reference to delay that I can find is on Page 48("SP Delay Time") and it affects only the center channel. When you have the PDF rxv730 manual open, hit control+f (command+f on mac) and you will be givin a search dialogue box in which you can search for words through the entire PDF. Please let me know how I access this feature on my receiver, as I cannot find it in the manual

/me prays poor documentation for the sake of wallet!
post #250 of 10880
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Originally Posted by The Shadow View Post

The pillar bars are black. I have not come across anyway to change these.


Why would you want gray bars?

The original idea behind having grey bars on sets was to avoid uneven screen wear with RP-CRT technologies (and I guess older plasmas as well). Since DLP-based sets are free from burn-in problems, I don't see a need for gray bars in addition to black ones. If you're going to watch something in 4x3, I would prefer black bars which should blend better with the black bezel and be less distracting to the viewer.
post #251 of 10880
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Originally Posted by dk0r View Post

know how I access this feature on my receiver, as I cannot find it in the manual

That's because it's an old model
post #252 of 10880
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Originally Posted by Danabw View Post

Another question for fellow 1080p owners...

I was looking into starting to set up my Harmony remote to control the HP last night. Source selection is obviously a critical part of any activity (e.g., Watch TV, Watch DVD)....trouble is, the HP sets don't appear to have a "next input" command. The Source button opens the list of sources...press it again and the thumbnail view appears. But there doesn't appear to be "select and display the next input" command available.

I need that (or a discreet code to go to a specific input, which I doubt exists) in order to use my Harmony to automate changing between activities.

Anyone found a "next input" command? Without that it's going to be impossible to automate source selection...quite a bit bummed if that's the way it is....

Dana. I would contact Harmony directly. They helped me with some problems I had with my Tosh 34HFX84 input switching. It did have "next input" but I beleive they used something differently.
post #253 of 10880
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dk0r View Post

Any owners know if 5.1 through HDMI to the coax audio out??? I'm unsure where I saw it, but I believe I read that is does not. Can an owner please confirm?

The HDMI implementation on these sets is 1.2 compliant. It should pass 5.1 audio if available.

I know it is sacrilege but we are not using our home theater audio system right now. We are evaluating the sound being produced by the set itself. So far, we are leaning towards ditching all the surround speakers and the huge subwoofer on the floor. The sound with the embedded subwoofer sounds very passable to our ears and not having all the ugly wires and speakers around makes my wife very happy. Call me stupid but that is important to me
post #254 of 10880
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Originally Posted by lexx View Post

Lip sync is a know problem with this technology.
If it's a problem in your situation you buy something to fix it. Felston sells a unit that works, or you buy a receiver with the delay feature built in. *If you like the Yamaha RX-V line, I believe lip sync is built into models as far down as the entry level RX-V457 with 0-160 millisecond delay.

After reading that, I then commented (assuming that if the RX-V line as far down as the RX-V457 has the 0-160 milisecond delay, than my RX-V730 would also have it) that I could not find the feature listed in the manual. You now tell me I cannot find the feature due to the following...

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Originally Posted by lexx View Post

That's because it's an old model

But I thought that the delay feature was supported as far back as the entry level RX-V457? My RX-V730 should then have this feature, no?

I'm not following you at all. Please clarify
post #255 of 10880
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Originally Posted by dk0r View Post

After reading that, I then commented (assuming that if the RX-V line as far down as the RX-V457 has the 0-160 milisecond delay, then my RX-V730 would have it) that I could not find the feature listed in the manual, and now you tell me the following... I'm following you at all. Please clarify

dkOr

First of all, I'm sure we're boring people with this receiver discussion in the HP forum. This is my last post on the subject.

The receiver you own is OLD. It is a discontinued model. It does not have the lip sync feature. The entry level RX-V457 is a newer model than yours. The fact that it is a lower numbered model is irrelevant.

Your model is about four years old. It doesn't matter when you bought it, it's still a four year old model. I'll repeat what I said in the first post to you.

"If it's a problem (lip sync) you buy something to fix it. Felston sells a unit that works, or you buy a receiver with the delay feature built in."

I'm sorry for any confusion in my posts. I thought I was pretty clear.

Cheers
post #256 of 10880
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Originally Posted by lexx View Post

Lip sync is a know problem with this technology. It's not exclusive to HP. Samsung has the problem, as do other manufacturers to a lesser degree.

If it's a problem in your situation you buy something to fix it. Felston sells a unit that works, or you buy a receiver with the delay feature built in. If you like the Yamaha RX-V line, I believe lip sync is built into models as far down as the entry level RX-V457 with 0-160 millisecond delay.

I'd say Samsung is probably the worst offender. I have the Samsung 6168 and recently went from pure HTPC (no lip sync issues) to a HD DirecTV DVR only to find lip sync issues. The Samsung has optical audio out but only passes 5.1 if the source is from OTA or CableCard. I went with the Felston and have been very happy with it. Hopefully the HP guys were smarter and pass 5.1 for all inputs.

Congrats on the new sets, it sounds like they are very nice!
post #257 of 10880
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by avsscientist View Post

btw, I have seen the SXRD in bestbuy, they look quite stunning, the best compared to all the DLPs in store. I am still looking forward to the HP though, cause it has the winning feature set, and design.

I've not seen the SXRD. There are many that think it is better than the Qualia. So, it may very well be better than these HP sets. I don't know...
post #258 of 10880
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Originally Posted by GoobTheNoob View Post

I'd say Samsung is probably the worst offender. I have the Samsung 6168 and recently went from pure HTPC (no lip sync issues) to a HD DirecTV DVR only to find lip sync issues. The Samsung has optical audio out but only passes 5.1 if the source is from OTA or CableCard. I went with the Felston and have been very happy with it. Hopefully the HP guys were smarter and pass 5.1 for all inputs.

Yep. I own a Samsung 6168 as well. If you feed it a good source it really is outstanding. I do still have the option to return the set to Best Buy for a full refund.

The 1080p over HDMI seems to be resolved with this HP, so matching the Samsung's ability over VGA. The 5.1 issue you mention is another feature I'm interested in knowing about with the HP. Anyone??
post #259 of 10880
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by lexx View Post

The 1080p over HDMI seems to be resolved with this HP, so matching the Samsung's ability over VGA. The 5.1 issue you mention is another feature I'm interested in knowing about with the HP. Anyone??

I will do this tonight unless someone else can try it this afternoon.

Here is the procedure:
1) Connect a HDMI STB or DVD player to the HDMI connector on the set.
2) Connect the coaxial digital audio output on the set to the coaxial digital audio input on your receiver.
3) Find a show (usually primetime stuff) that is sending 5.1 audio or use a 5.1 DVD and see if the 5.1 indicator on your receiver is set.

Thanks!
post #260 of 10880
Thread Starter 
I added the issue about the panorama stretch mode to the first post. Thanks AVIDAV.
post #261 of 10880
Darrell:

Thanks for the excellent work on the front end of this thread...very useful!

You might want to separate defects (e.g., Pano cutting off the bottom of the screen and slow channel changes) from enhancements (e.g., add EPG).

Anyway, either add to "like to see fixed" category or put in a "missing/desired features" category:

1. Update the "Info" display so that it displays info on the second window in PIP and split sreen modes - at a minimum identify the source of the secondary window.

2. Update the "Info" function so that it clears any channel commands entered but not executed by the set...e.g., if I am changing channels and hit 55 instead of 57, hitting the "Info" button should cancel the channel command so I can start over and not have the set switch to the wrong channel.
post #262 of 10880
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Danabw View Post

Darrell:

Thanks for the excellent work on the front end of this thread...very useful!

My pleasure. We're all in this together. I'm an engineer and I often wish I could get this type of feedback from our customers. Let's make it useful and keep this thread from turning into a bash fest. So far, everyone who has contributed to this thread has been awesome!
post #263 of 10880
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Originally Posted by DarrellH View Post

My pleasure. We're all in this together. I'm an engineer and I often wish I could get this type of feedback from our customers. Let's make it useful and keep this thread from turning into a bash fest. So far, everyone who has contributed to this thread has been awesome!

Yeah...I know what you mean. Companies *pay* for this type of information.
post #264 of 10880
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Originally Posted by Danabw View Post

Darrell:

Thanks for the excellent work on the front end of this thread...very useful!

You might want to separate defects (e.g., Pano cutting off the bottom of the screen and slow channel changes) from enhancements (e.g., add EPG).

Anyway, either add to "like to see fixed" category or put in a "missing/desired features" category:

1. Update the "Info" display so that it displays info on the second window in PIP and split sreen modes - at a minimum identify the source of the secondary window.

2. Update the "Info" function so that it clears any channel commands entered but not executed by the set...e.g., if I am changing channels and hit 55 instead of 57, hitting the "Info" button should cancel the channel command so I can start over and not have the set switch to the wrong channel.

Oops...forgot other part about the "Info" display, Darrell.

On number 1, above...the Info display should also report the current Aspect setting (panorama, zoomed, etc.), at a minimum when in full-screen mode.
post #265 of 10880
Thanks for all the replies from everybody. You people have really won me over. I was thinking of buying a big plasma at twice the price of the HP, but now...

Here's another question:

Anyone get a dead or "bum" TV out of the box? I haven't read about any of these problems from anybody. (Of course, there aren't many of these TV out there yet, either.) So far, the the quality control on these TVs seems to be excellent.
post #266 of 10880
AKaSTP Great post this thread is very good right now and hope it stays this way. I think this thread has sold me this TV and now it is just a matter of pulling the trigger which I am getting close to doing. This is a 50th birthady present for me which is still 6 months away so not sure how the wife will react to getting it so quickly need to set the expectations a little more with her but she has greed to a new tv so the hard part is done.
post #267 of 10880
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by AkaStp View Post

There are trolls in every thread. The Samsung and Sony and JVC threads have been around for a long time and have attracted the usual anti-Samsung, anti-Sony, anti-DLP, anti-RPLCD, anti-JVC, anti-Microdisplay, and so on trolls. This thread, like the HP DLPs it covers, has only been around for a few days and so is still very new. Unfortunately, the DLP-haters will inevitably find this thread and will post their usual garbage about wobbulation, color wheels, lip synch, gaming delays, black levels, etc. They'll pick up on any real or perceived issue or problem that is mentioned here and blow it up out of all proportion to suit their own personal agendas, biases and preferences. Personally, I defected from Samsung DLPs to the Sony SXRD and am happy with it but I see no point in bashing DLPs. I sincerely hope that the HP DLP is a great TV and that those of you that choose it will be happy with it.

Ahhh, another well-stated, mature post. PSSST. Don't tell the trolls about us over here!
post #268 of 10880
My 5880 arrived this morning. I had to rush immediately off to work, not to mention that you really shouldn't turn it on right after you move it from a cold environment to a warm one (condensation forms, and it needs to sit a while to evaporate), so I couldn't even turn it on. So I'm hoping it works. I'm glad it's finally here but still nervous. And my living room is an absolute dump.

I love the styling on the TV (and the stand, which is undamaged! Things be praised!). The cabling system is also awesome... although, I still have to run power cords out of the back of the stand, but I can hardly hold HP responsible for that. =)

I'll be testing it with...
1) Xbox over Y/Pb/Pr
2) DVD over Y/Pb/Pr
3) PC over DVI-HDMI
4) Laptop/Roland KR-7 over VGA
5) Cox HDTV box - don't know what they're going to give me as far as cabling. I'm hoping they give me a DVI-HDMI cable, but that may be asking for too much. =(
post #269 of 10880
Owners:

I have brought this up once before, but I don't think people had their sets up and running yet. I am phonecall away from ordering the 65". (the discounts are back!) But my viewing distance will only be about 8'-9'. I don't want to ruin the experience by having to view the 65" too close. I would rather have the 58" looking great than the 65" and see pixels and artifacts. But I imagine that 1080p material could be viewed closer than 720p too!

How close are you guys to your sets? What's a min distance from the 65"?

Thanks...


SNAKE
post #270 of 10880
JakeSnake,

I have read that you should be 1 1/2-2ft away per foot of your tv. Example if you have a 60 inch which is 5ft you should be 7 1/2-10ft away.
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