The Official HP Pavilion 1080P DLP Owner's Thread - Page 11

Originally Posted by AVIDAV

When your running 1600x1200 is your info bar saying 1080i? On other res's giving exact(eg. 1280x960 60hz. As good a card as we both have it's still not practical to run at 1080P output and be competitive on line. But can have cake and eat it too by running 1280x720 and having tv output upscaled 1080P. Natve 1080P is sure pretty though.

Originally Posted by Pngpong

1920 x 1080 still shows 1080P from the "Info" status. It does not cut off the windows and appears to work better for a PC than 1920 x 1280 because of this. Cool!!!

Originally Posted by Reldan

I tiled the display test image that was linked earlier, and I can make out black and white lines up close, so I believe it's 1:1 pixel mapping even.

Originally Posted by AVIDAV

Already ran "FAR CRY", "BATTLEFIELDII", "MEDAL OF HONOR" - all run great up to 1920X1080. No game lag. No audio synch problems.

Originally Posted by lorelevitt

I spent some time today talking with the Calibre folks who will be releasing their REALTA-based Vantage-HD video processor next month (MSRP $2899). This looks to be a phenonmenal add-on to the 1080P-HDMI enabled HP sets.

If you're not familiar with the Realta chip, I recommend you check out this site:

http://www.hqv.com

I bought the HQV DVD to analyze my set (an old Toshiba 50" CRT from 2001) and the new one. Boy the deinterlacer in the Toshiba stunk. I lent the disk out for a few days to the manager of a high end local video store who was anxious to use it to evaluate the new Sony SXRD sets for their deinterlacing and scaling capability. I can't wait to pull the disk out and check those sets myself. If they have artifacts (and I'll bet they do considering they have nothing like the REALTA chip onboard) all the SXRD buyers will NO recourse as their HDMI inputs will only accept 1080i.

I have a Vantage-HD unit on order with AVS and Jason is still taking more orders. You can read about the Vantage-HD at their web site:

http://www.calibreuk.com/home_theater.php

and there is a thread on the AVS forum subgroup on VIDEO PROCESSORS as well.

The unit is expected in by mid-November and when I run it through its paces, I'll post "before" and "after" shots of using it vs. not using it to do my scaling, deinterlacing, and noise reduction.

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

1080p will work a lot better since that is the native resolution of the display while 1920x1200 is a computer resolution.

DarrellH, it might help if their was something in the first post about being careful not to use 1920x1200 (WUXGA) with the HPs since a lot of people might accidently select that resolution.


Great news, and for anyone that might be interested here is the post with the test image he is referring to.


This is good news since a lot of people in the gaming section of the forum are always wanting to know which TVs have no game lag.

Originally Posted by Reldan

I disagree. You can turn AA and AF way down when running at the higher resolutions because you don't need them as much - the higher resolution more than makes up for the loss of these "tricks."

I may have to run some subjective tests comparing native 1080p with upscaled 720p though. It really will provide an interesting comparison between heavily processed lower res graphics vs. unprocessed high res.

Originally Posted by AVIDAV

Sorry, it won't do 1080P(why I don't know, how much could it have possibly cost). Another owner verified ealier in thread. Ditto for component inputs.

Originally Posted by The Shadow

It will do 1080p24/30 on component. 1080p @ all frame rates through HDMI.

Originally Posted by Franchot

Yeah! You damn guys who own one didn't find any defects and talked the set up so much (and with the liberal discounts and free shipping) that people went on a feeding frenzy. How about some negative buzz on these TVs so that the supply and demand channels will ease up?

Congrats to those who have a set or those expecting one soon. Maybe this will wake up the other companies producing 1080p TVs that if they make a it "right" at the "right" price, they can have a profitable company and satisfied customers.

Originally Posted by TMSKILZ

Hey Guys, say hello to a soon-to-be-daddy (of the HP MD5880N DLP TV) that is.

I called up TVA, spoke to them & it seems they are willing to work with me. I have to call back Mon, if all goes well, I'll return the Samsung 5688 (Great TV, no flaws, except the lack of 1080p via HDMI) for the HP MD5880N DLP TV!!

TVA says they expect a shipment of the HP 1080p next week.

I'll keep ya posted.

Originally Posted by TMSKILZ

Hey Guys, say hello to a soon-to-be-daddy (of the HP MD5880N DLP TV) that is.

I called up TVA, spoke to them & it seems they are willing to work with me. I have to call back Mon, if all goes well, I'll return the Samsung 5688 (Great TV, no flaws, except the lack of 1080p via HDMI) for the HP MD5880N DLP TV!!

TVA says they expect a shipment of the HP 1080p next week.

I'll keep ya posted.

Originally Posted by TMSKILZ

Hey Guys, say hello to a soon-to-be-daddy (of the HP MD5880N DLP TV) that is.

I called up TVA, spoke to them & it seems they are willing to work with me. I have to call back Mon, if all goes well, I'll return the Samsung 5688 (Great TV, no flaws, except the lack of 1080p via HDMI) for the HP MD5880N DLP TV!!

TVA says they expect a shipment of the HP 1080p next week.

I'll keep ya posted.

Originally Posted by AVIDAV

You're right, a video processor would be very usefull but do they all have to be as expensive as the one your buying. Some of inflexibility of HP PIP and Panorama sure need modified.

Originally Posted by TMSKILZ


TVA says they expect a shipment of the HP 1080p next week.

I'll keep ya posted.

Originally Posted by Reldan


I can't say anything about the VGA port, as I see no reason not to connect my PC (with x800 Pro vid card) through DVI-HDMI. DVDs look superb using Zoomplayer with DScaler and FFDShow (upscaling to 1080p).

Originally Posted by Sharon's Lee

Hi,
Are "Zoomplayer with DScaler and FFDShow" software that can be purchased?
THANKS!!!!!

Originally Posted by Steve S

I'm interested in one of these but need to see one first.

I note the fact that their variable zoom mode (Panorama) does a slight vertical stretch along with the variable (more at the edges than the sides) horizontal stretch. My current crt based Sony, a 5 year old KP57HW40 has this same variable stretch mode which Sony calls Widezoom. My widescreen Sharp lcd in the bedroom has the same variable stretch method. Both allow the picture to be scrolled up or down to make those CNN banners at the bottom of the screen visible.

I bet the HP will also do this vertical scroll while in panorama, probably buried in the menu somewhere. My Sharp will do it just by pressing the "up" or "down" buttons on the part of the remote used to navigate the menu--no need to enter the adjustment menu to do so. I think this is the ideal implementation of this scrolling feature.

Originally Posted by lorelevitt

Actually there are only a handful of video processors that people on the AVSFORUM typically discuss--
there's the DVDO VP30 that just came out with an MSRP of $1999. It users ABT's proprietary chip which is an older generation and is far more limited than the newest processors. Then there are units based on Silicon Optix Realta chip (http://www.hqv.com/) that was derived from years of Dept.of Defense-based research on image parallel processing. Alot of end users thought that Algolith would be the first manufacturer of boxes based on the Realta chip with a box called the Dragonfly. But it seems that Algolith is having a very difficult time developing a manufacturing process for these boxes (perhaps they need to send the entire Algolith staff to spend a week with Donald Trump!) So while Algolith fiddles, Calibre, a UK DOD-contractor, is about to burn them down with a box, the Vantage-HD, that incorporates the REALTA but has alot of added value in additional software development by Calibre. Calibre has priced their box at $2899; the Dragonfly is $2995 BUT Algolith charges an additional $ 495 for the noise reduction algorithms that Calibre includes FREE of charge.

Calibre may be new to the home theater market but they are about to deliver large numbers of their boxes to the US. The Dragonfly allotment is sold out for the fall (and rumors it was only 100 boxes-- I guess all hand built at that scale). Manufacturing is a key in this business. No money to be made on small numbers. By the time Algolith scales up, Calibre will be the dominant box in many high end systems.

BTW-- check out what Displaymate had to say about the REALTA chip. Displaymate is a highly regarded, independent evaluator of image quality:

http://www.siliconoptix.com/chipProd...isplaymate.cfm

Here's a quote: "During our extensive testing of five high-end HDTVs we found that the Silicon Optix HQV processors provided major enhancements in picture quality. Their 1080i motion adaptive de-interlacing and scaling is very impressive. In the Jury portion of the tests both novice and expert panelists independently identified picture quality improvements in the HDTVs that were driven by the Silicon Optix processors," said Dr. Raymond Soneira, President of DisplayMate Technologies.

The Realta video processor DSP chip originates from Teranex's $60,000 broadcast and postproduction platforms. Teranex's software algorithms run on Realta's fully programmable, trillion-operations-persecond video processing engine to deliver a new standard in image quality, a standard Silicon Optix is calling Hollywood Quality Video, or HQV."

There are other processors coming out with other chips. The Gennum VXP processor: http://www.gennum.com/ip/index.html will be used in Pixel Magic's Crystalio II video processor. But that device will be between $ 4500-5500 depending on configuration. The list continues at ever increasing prices.

Originally Posted by Danabw

Don't remember where it is now, but there is vert/horiz adjustment available, but it affects all aspects....

Originally Posted by ISO Perfect HDTV

thanks for the reply,
my video card can send 1080i , will the VGA accept that full screen and then the HP doing the upconversion?
thanks again

Originally Posted by DarrellH

I'll try to summarize what we know/don't know about the 1080p MD6580n and MD5880n DLP models here. If there is other info you would like to see summarized here, let me know. Thanks.



HP Microdisplay info can be found here:

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/sh...dtv&catLevel=2

All models have the following inputs:

2 HDMI (480i/p, 720p, 1080i/p*)
2 Component (480i/p, 720p, 1080i/p**)
1 VGA (480i/p, 720p, 1080i/p***)
1 USB
1 Serial
3 Composite/Svideo
2 Cable
1 CableCard
5 Analog RCA Audio

* Supports 24, 30 and 60fps.
** Supports 24, and 30fps.
*** Supports 24, and 30fps but we have heard that the maximum resolution is 1280x1024p60

All models have the following outputs:
1 Analog RCA Audio out
1 Digital Coaxial Audio out (configurable)

Questions to answer:

1) Do the HDMI/Component inputs actually support 1080p as documented?
We have confirmation that the ATI 9800 All-in-Wonder will display 1080p at 60 fps to the set.

2) Does the VGA input do 1080p?
No. It has been confirmed the max resolution is 1280x1024 @60hz

3) What is the serial input for?

4) Does the digital-audio-out properly pass 5.1 if present on the HDMI input?

5) How does the USB firmware upgrade work?

6) Is it a problem that 1080i/p over the component cables are only 24 or 30fps instead of 60? Is the difference noticeable?

Answers to common questions:

1) How is the fan noise? Most common answer: so far, silent.

2) How is the black level? Most common answer: Excellent

3) How is the black detail? Most common answer: Excellent

4) Is there artifacting with fast motion video? Most common answer: Not detected as yet

5) SDE? Most common answer: None. Even up close.

6) SSE? Most common answer: None detected so far.

7) How is the OOB calibration? Most common answer: Good

Device compatability over HDMI:

SA8300HD Cable/DVR STB: works and produces a great picture but there are reports that some Time Warner customers in some regions will have problems.

Hughes HR10-250 DirecTV/DVR: reportedly has PQ issues over HDMI. Component works great. Being investigated.

ATI 9800 All-in-Wonder: displays 1080p 60 over HDMI to the set. Here is a quote describing the PQ
Sony DVP-NS70H DVD: displays 1080i over HDMI with no shifting issues. The PQ is outstanding!

ATI x800 Pro graphics card:



Problems reported:

1) Apparently, the HP stands are not being packed/shipped very well. Most are arriving damaged!

2) PIP functionality is not on-par with competitors. Only 1 HD source available.

3) Remote is not backlit/illuminated.


Things we'd like to see fixed:

1) Channel switching can be slow with certain sources. This is supposedly being addressed in the upgrade available with the free 128MB USB drive.

2) Panorama stretch mode is not working quite right. It seems to be throwing away data from the top and bottom of the picture.

Enhancements we'd like to see added:

1) Add an EPG. Please. Pretty please!

2) Update the "Info" display so that it displays info on the second window in PIP and split sreen modes - at a minimum identify the source of the secondary window and report the current Aspect setting (panorama, zoomed, etc).

3) Update the "Info" function so that it clears any channel commands entered but not executed by the set...e.g., if I am changing channels and hit 55 instead of 57, hitting the "Info" button should cancel the channel command so I can start over and not have the set switch to the wrong channel

Darrell

Originally Posted by AVIDAV

I saw article and you're 100% right-they approved spec end of August-which means product could be in pipeline(it's all coming back to me now)-THANKS

PS;Integrated graphic and audio cards will be someting to behold.