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post #9181 of 10880
I have encountered the same problem (I think). I have owned my 65" since mid '06, and three days ago the same thing happened to me. I have noticed this loss of detail/smudging on the colours/shadows/gradients occurs after the tv has warmed up, and I believe it may be the light engine as other users have posted similar pictures in this thread. I really notice it on reds, blacks, as well as white tones. I believe users have called it posterization. I purchased a warranty (through bestbuy) and am considering contacting them if this is the light engine. What does everyone think?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posterization

Here is a picture of mine (really close to the tv set)..I will take better ones if needed:

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2614/img3438ak0.jpg


Quote:
Originally Posted by Refaat View Post

hi everyone,

My md5880n switched to 256-color mode (or so it seems), and hp online support asked me to try a few steps (soft & hard reset ...), all to no avail.

This problem exists for ALL inputs (hdmi, component), regardless of source (dish, HD-DVD, blu-ray).

I can still clearly see the difference between hi-def and standard-def, but the colors seem to have switched to low-res.

I'm inserting a photo I took of the screen.

Has anyone seen this before? Thanks in advance for your help.

Refaat
post #9182 of 10880
David
Can you clarify what was the hdmiedid file name when you were flashing your 5880 for the third time (to change the monitor name) and how did you go about the vgaedid file during the 3 phases, thanks a lot.

Zibby
post #9183 of 10880
Zibby,

I assume you are responding to this post.

The TV looks for the file based on the existing model number contained in the EDID data. For the third (last) flash, the EDID data before the flash as MD5020n. So the file name was HDMIEDID5020_Sep23.hex.

After the flash, the TV was identified as a MD5080n, so if I were to flash again in the future, would I would need a file named HDMIEDID5880_Sep23.hex.

During my updates, I never touched VGA EDID file. It always identified my TV correctly, and the files for VGA EDID for the 5880n and 5820n are nearly identical. I did post my VGA EDID info here.

-Dave
post #9184 of 10880
Dave,
Thanks a lot for you prompt answer.
Yes my question was about that post you mentioned above.
I updated the firmware of my 5880 as soon as I got it a year ago. I’m planning to get a new receiver and inspired by your firmware updates I ran Monitor Asset Manager that didn’t show much info about the monitor even its name wasn’t there. My Radion 1900 reported the monitor as a 5020. So I flashed the firmware with renamed HDMIEDID5880_Sep23.hex and now MAM reports my monitor as a 5880. I would be happy if there weren’t some problems highlighted below:

Monitor
Windows description......... Plug and Play Monitor
Manufacturer description.... HP MD5880N
Manufacturer................ HP
————————————————————————————
Plug and Play ID............ HWP2710
Serial number............... XXXX (XXXXXXX)
EDID data source............ Registry (stored)
————————————————————————————
Manufacture date............ 2005, ISO week 39
EDID revision............... 1.3
Display type and signal..... Digital
Sync input support.......... n/a
Screen size................. 1300 x 740 mm (~62")
Power management............ n/a

Color characteristics
Display gamma............... 2.20
Red chromaticity............ Rx 0.640 - Ry 0.330
Green chromaticity.......... Gx 0.300 - Gy 0.600
Blue chromaticity........... Bx 0.150 - By 0.060
White point (default)....... Wx 0.313 - Wy 0.329

Timing characteristics
VESA GTF support............ Not supported
Horizontal scan range....... 15-80kHz
Vertical scan range......... 23-61Hz
Video bandwidth............. 150MHz
Extension blocks............ 1
Timing recommendation #1.... 1920x540 at 60Hz
Modeline................ "1920x540" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200 540 542 547 562 +hsync +vsync
Timing recommendation #2.... 1920x1080 at 30Hz
Modeline................ "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync
Timing recommendation #3.... 1280x720 at 60Hz
Modeline................ "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1390 1430 1650 720 725 730 750 +hsync +vsync

Just 3 Timing recommendations

Standard timings supported
640 x 480 at 60Hz - IBM VGA
800 x 600 at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768 at 60Hz - VESA
1280 x 720 at 60Hz - HP
1280 x 720 at 60Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024 at 60Hz - VESA
1920 x 540 at 60Hz - HP
1920 x 1080 at 30Hz - HP
1920 x 1080 at 60Hz - VESA

Raw EDID base
00: 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 22 F0 10 27 21 15 00 00
10: 27 0F 01 03 80 82 4A 78 0A EE 95 A3 54 4C 99 26
20: 0F 50 54 21 08 00 81 C0 81 80 D1 C0 01 01 01 01
30: 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 1D 80 18 71 1C 16 20 58 2C
40: 25 00 C4 8E 21 00 00 9E 01 1D 00 72 51 D0 1E 20
50: 6E 28 55 00 C4 8E 21 00 00 1E 00 00 00 FC 00 48
60: 50 20 4D 44 35 38 38 30 4E 0A 20 20 00 00 00 FD
70: 00 17 3D 0F 50 0F 00 0A 20 20 20 20 20 20 01 67

Raw EDID extension (reserved)
00: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
40: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
50: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
60: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00


Display adapter
Adapter description......... All-in-Wonder X1900
Adapter device ID........... 0x72491002
Display settings............ 1920x1080, 32bpp

MAM is not reporting EIA/CEA-861 Information.

While updating HDMIEDID I also updated VGAEDID. Is it the cause of my problem or I’ve got a different EEPROM version. Any idea?
Thank a lot for any iput.
Zibby
post #9185 of 10880
This must be an nVidia vs. ATI issue.

When I posted my EDID info, I had an nVidia AGP 6600GT. I recently upgraded to an ATI AGP 2600pro to watch HD DVDs. Now my EDID info looks like yours. I have not touched the firmware on the TV.

Quote:


Monitor
Manufacturer description.... HP MD5880N
Manufacturer................ HP

Plug and Play ID............ HWP270E
Serial number............... XXXX (XXXXXXXXX)
EDID data source............ Registry (stored)

Manufacture date............ 2005, ISO week 35
EDID revision............... 1.3
Display type and signal..... Digital
Sync input support.......... n/a
Screen size................. 1300 x 740 mm (~62")
Power management............ n/a

Color characteristics
Display gamma............... 2.20
Red chromaticity............ Rx 0.640 - Ry 0.330
Green chromaticity.......... Gx 0.300 - Gy 0.600
Blue chromaticity........... Bx 0.150 - By 0.060
White point (default)....... Wx 0.313 - Wy 0.329

Timing characteristics
VESA GTF support............ Not supported
Horizontal scan range....... 15-80kHz
Vertical scan range......... 23-61Hz
Video bandwidth............. 150MHz
Extension blocks............ 1
Timing recommendation #1.... 1280x720 at 60Hz
Modeline................ "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1390 1430 1650 720 725 730 750 +hsync +vsync
Timing recommendation #2.... 1920x540 at 60Hz
Modeline................ "1920x540" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200 540 542 547 562 +hsync +vsync
Timing recommendation #3.... 1920x1080 at 30Hz
Modeline................ "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported
640 x 480 at 60Hz - IBM VGA
800 x 600 at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768 at 60Hz - VESA
1280 x 720 at 60Hz - HP
1280 x 720 at 60Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024 at 60Hz - VESA
1920 x 540 at 60Hz - HP
1920 x 1080 at 30Hz - HP
1920 x 1080 at 60Hz - VESA

Raw EDID base
00: 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 22 F0 0E 27 BD 13 00 00
10: 23 0F 01 03 80 82 4A 78 0A EE 95 A3 54 4C 99 26
20: 0F 50 54 21 08 00 81 C0 81 80 D1 C0 01 01 01 01
30: 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 1D 00 72 51 D0 1E 20 6E 28
40: 55 00 C4 8E 21 00 00 1E 01 1D 80 18 71 1C 16 20
50: 58 2C 25 00 C4 8E 21 00 00 9E 00 00 00 FC 00 48
60: 50 20 4D 44 35 38 38 30 4E 0A 20 20 00 00 00 FD
70: 00 17 3D 0F 50 0F 00 0A 20 20 20 20 20 20 01 D3

Raw EDID extension (reserved)
00: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
40: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
50: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
60: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

Display adapter
Adapter description......... ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro AGP
Adapter device ID........... 0x95871002
Display settings............ 1776x1000, 32bpp

Of course, the order of my timing recommendations is different because I am using the MD5820n firmware patched to report a MD5880n, as I discussed in my original post.

I would not worry about it.

-Dave
post #9186 of 10880
Dave,
Thank you for the good news. Do you get better picture with the Radion than with nVidia?
Zibby
post #9187 of 10880
Quote:
Originally Posted by zibbyi View Post

Dave,
Thank you for the good news. Do you get better picture with the Radion than with nVidia?
Zibby

Not really. nVidia (at least with the old control panel) does a better job with custom resolutions. Also, I think nVidia did a slightly better job doing DVD playback with TheaterTek. However, the 2600pro does a great job with HD DVDs. I never thought that would be possible with my old AGP system.

-Dave
post #9188 of 10880
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimzo View Post

After re-reading some posts from DPlettner, Bickity, davenrino and others I am not surprised that I am not able to get a proper 1080p sync with Vista. I just upgraded my graphics card to 7600gs and was disappointed that it will not sync at 1920x1080 at 60hz. It 'works' at 50hz but the overscan is unacceptable when in Studio mode and the whole screen isn't filled up in PC mode.

I updated to the latest drivers package from NVIDIA (released 7/26/07 just after the majority of recent posts on the issue) and wanted to let you guys know that this doesn't help.

I decided to go with NVIDIA mostly because I heard ATI cards were terrible with Vista and this was one was touted as being "Certified for Windows Vista."

I was never able to get my 7600 card to sync at anything other then 1080/50Hz. After many posts on Nvidia fourums, and e-mails to nVidia support with no responce, I went out and purchased an ATI 2400 Pro and it syncs perfectly. Right now I am only using the native vista MPEG2 decorder, and it looks ok, but not as good as I remember the nVidia codec looking in XP.
post #9189 of 10880
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bickity View Post

I was never able to get my 7600 card to sync at anything other then 1080/50Hz. After many posts on Nvidia fourums, and e-mails to nVidia support with no responce, I went out and purchased an ATI 2400 Pro and it syncs perfectly. Right now I am only using the native vista MPEG2 decorder, and it looks ok, but not as good as I remember the nVidia codec looking in XP.

You must have Vista. I could not get an Nvidia 8600GTS to sync in Vista either during the text/dos mode of startup or at 1920x1080 60P. I could get it to synch at 50P but it did strange thigs. I also found the 7600GT I had that worked fine in XP behaved very similarly to the 8600GTS in Vista.

I currently am using a Vistiontek HD2600Pro in Vista. With all the register tweaks and the using the Cyberlink and AVIVO mpeg decoders it is working fairly well. Unfortunately the fan is very noisey as is the video itself. I have an MSI 2600XT coming tomorrow and hope both the fan and the video noise clear up. The video noise is very apparently on light colored areas especially white. It looks like a weave pattern. I saw it with the ATI card both in XT and Vista. Noticeable at the desktop and in video playback. I have changed cables had the receiver in line, went direct etc. on two different PCs.

Hopefully the MSI does not have the interfernce noise of the Vistiontek.
post #9190 of 10880
Here is a better picture of the posterization:

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8680/img3509yy5.jpg
post #9191 of 10880
Ouch, I am pretty sure you need a new light engine.
post #9192 of 10880
Hi guys,

I tested out my PS3 again on the md5880n and I still cannot get BTB to pass on BD or DVD disks...anyone else have this problem?
post #9193 of 10880
I experienced this issue and was abble to resolve it through the Service Menu and adjustment of the Color Wheel Index. Paused a DVD image that had the problem then moved up till it looked better, then went to the top range and mopved down until better. Then took the average of the 2 settings.
post #9194 of 10880
while watching television last night, my 19month old md5880n dimmed, then started flashing both red lights. After unplugging the set and replugging it in, it fails to start - the blue like fading and reappears as if it is trying to start up, but failing to do so.

I've looked at the lamp and it doesn't seem to be blown, so I can only assume that its one of the boards. Has anyone else experienced this?

thanks!
post #9195 of 10880
Quote:
Originally Posted by quaiboy View Post

These exact issues (both of them, can't be a coincidence) are afflicting my set, also a 5880n purchased 21 months ago. The flickering has been going on for about 2-3 weeks now and has stayed about the same; flickers when the set turns on for a minute or two give or take. Then the image is solid. I can't see how it would be a bulb issue, which is even scarier - the bulb would be an easy fix. The turn off thing has only happened 3-4 times, none within the past 2 weeks.
Please be so kind as to let us know what the problem turned out to be. Good luck.
-Evan

A few weeks ago, the TV just froze on me. No response to the remote at all.
I was left with no choice but to unplug the TV from the wall, knowing this can damage the bulb. When I plugged it back in, the TV came up normally.
Since then, I have not had the issue where the TV 'reboots' itself as I noted last month. I still see some flickering, but it's seldom. I'm trying to figure out if the flickering happens while the TV is warming up. I use the TV for my personal computing (1080p baby!) and to watch cable TV via the direct cable input (no cable card). I only see the flickering when using the TV as my computer screen, probably because of the static images you get on a computer. The cable channels rarely keep an image up long enough to detect flicker... at least that's my theory for now.

I am wondering out loud how long my TV will last. It will be a difficult and costly choice when it does give up the ghost. My extended warantee expires Nov 2008, bulbs are not covered. The refurb I have now is 1 yr old. I hope this bulb lasts until Nov 2008. I loathe the idea of spending $350 for a bulb on a TV that's got issues. I will probably buy a new TV when the bulb dies and/or the warantee expires. I agree with others that the picture on this TV still blows me away. At the time I bought this TV (Nov 05), there was only one HDTV available with 1080p inputs. The HP!
post #9196 of 10880
Last night my HDMI inputs on my 5880 just started exhibiting some truly bizarre behavior. Setup: I have my cable box run into HDMI input 1 and my DVD player into HDMI 2 and it has been this way for the entire time I've had the TV (18 months) with no changes in configuration. When I started off, my cable was working as normal, but when I switched to HDMI 2 to watch a DVD, I was not getting any video displayed. I tried swapping the DVD player to HDMI 1 and the cable box to HDMI 2, but this had no effect: the cable was still displaying video while the DVD player was not. The obvious culprit seemed the DVD player. However, after unplugging and plugging cables and power cycling the various devices for a few minutes, I ended up in a state where the TV was finally showing a picture from the DVD player, but now would not show one from the cable box. Even after repeated fiddling, this seems to be the state I'm stuck in - unable to get any kind of video to display from the cable box, but with the DVD player displaying just fine. Analog inputs do not seem to be affected at all by this problem.

Has anyone else seen a problem like this? Any ideas on further troubleshooting?
post #9197 of 10880
Quote:
Originally Posted by pfilippone View Post

A few weeks ago, the TV just froze on me. No response to the remote at all.
I was left with no choice but to unplug the TV from the wall, knowing this can damage the bulb. When I plugged it back in, the TV came up normally.
Since then, I have not had the issue where the TV 'reboots' itself as I noted last month. I still see some flickering, but it's seldom. I'm trying to figure out if the flickering happens while the TV is warming up. I use the TV for my personal computing (1080p baby!) and to watch cable TV via the direct cable input (no cable card). I only see the flickering when using the TV as my computer screen, probably because of the static images you get on a computer. The cable channels rarely keep an image up long enough to detect flicker... at least that's my theory for now.

I am wondering out loud how long my TV will last. It will be a difficult and costly choice when it does give up the ghost. My extended warantee expires Nov 2008, bulbs are not covered. The refurb I have now is 1 yr old. I hope this bulb lasts until Nov 2008. I loathe the idea of spending $350 for a bulb on a TV that's got issues. I will probably buy a new TV when the bulb dies and/or the warantee expires. I agree with others that the picture on this TV still blows me away. At the time I bought this TV (Nov 05), there was only one HDTV available with 1080p inputs. The HP!

I also got my HP Nov 05 and loved it till the dreaded Blotching appeared. I used it as my main PC screen as well as cable, DVD, BD, etc. I am still waiting for my replacement offers from the warranty company, as a light engine costs more than I paid for the set. I couldn't stand the posterizing, so I already got a Sony KDS- 60A3000 and I love it.
post #9198 of 10880
The set has been fine as of late. I put in a warranty claim with my card since it's about to end and I'd like the color wheel and fan replaced for increasing noise (not that it's very bad, just more than there was when I bought it). Maybe I can get a bulb out of them too.

I look at the other options for RPTVs and I don't like what I see. The Mitsu, JVCs and Samsungs seem to have nasty geometry issues and/or fan noise. The Toshibas have far too much SSE, but are nice otherwise. I won't buy a Sony so that's out. LCD RPTVs have too much blockyness/SDE. None of them seem to have the image quality of the HP - especially the upconverter/deinterlacer. I watch a lot of SDTV, so that's very, very important to me. There's almost no SSE/SDE on the HP that I can see. So I'm not sure what I would choose if they give me $$$ to replace the set. I'm spoiled on the HP's picture. Any suggestions? I want a 65" or higher and need 1 Comp and 1 HDMI. Maybe I'll just try to find a md6580n for cheap. Thanks.

-Evan
post #9199 of 10880
Quote:
Originally Posted by quaiboy View Post

The set has been fine as of late. I put in a warranty claim with my card since it's about to end and I'd like the color wheel and fan replaced for increasing noise (not that it's very bad, just more than there was when I bought it). Maybe I can get a bulb out of them too.

I look at the other options for RPTVs and I don't like what I see. The Mitsu, JVCs and Samsungs seem to have nasty geometry issues and/or fan noise. The Toshibas have far too much SSE, but are nice otherwise. I won't buy a Sony so that's out. LCD RPTVs have too much blockyness/SDE. None of them seem to have the image quality of the HP - especially the upconverter/deinterlacer. I watch a lot of SDTV, so that's very, very important to me. There's almost no SSE/SDE on the HP that I can see. So I'm not sure what I would choose if they give me $$$ to replace the set. I'm spoiled on the HP's picture. Any suggestions? I want a 65" or higher and need 1 Comp and 1 HDMI. Maybe I'll just try to find a md6580n for cheap. Thanks.

-Evan

Interesting! Personally, I will never buy another HP. It was great the SHORT time it lasted.
post #9200 of 10880
Quote:
Originally Posted by davenrino View Post

Interesting! Personally, I will never buy another HP. It was great the SHORT time it lasted.

Yeah, I'm not thrilled about the reliability either. However, the picture is awesome. If I could get a refurb 65" for a song maybe I'll do it, or if someone has another suggestion I'll look at that.

-Evan
post #9201 of 10880
Quote:
Originally Posted by gigabot View Post

Last night my HDMI inputs on my 5880 just started exhibiting some truly bizarre behavior. .......Has anyone else seen a problem like this? Any ideas on further troubleshooting?

HDMI in these sets is finicky. The issue is usually an HDMI handshake issue. But if it worked once, it should work again. I don't have the solution, but here are a couple of things to try.

1) With the set off, unplug both the DVD player and the cable box from the HDMI inputs. Turn on the HP, set it any input except the HDMI's. And turn off. Turn the cable box off, if it isn't already.
2) Next, plug your cable box into HDMI 2 (the opposite of where you had it before.) Turn on the cable box. Then turn on the HP. Select HDMI 2 and see if it is working.
2a) If yes, plug the DVD player in HDMI 1 (don't need to turn off your HP, but make sure the DVD player is off before connecting to HDMI 1.) Turn on the DVD player and see if HDMI1 is working.
2b) If no, repeat (1), and then (2) but choose HDMI 1 instead for the cable box.


Good luck.

Durny1
post #9202 of 10880
Quote:
Originally Posted by quaiboy View Post

Yeah, I'm not thrilled about the reliability either. However, the picture is awesome. If I could get a refurb 65" for a song maybe I'll do it, or if someone has another suggestion I'll look at that.

-Evan

What reliability issue? Take a look at this forum and go through all the sets in which there are threads created and everyone has problems. You'd think not one of the manufacturers could make a reliable set. However, this Forum is just a site which begs for those who have problems. It doesn't address the thousands who have had trouble free performance. Inevitably though, somethings gonna give like most of consumer technology. But to suggest this brand was/is more problematical than others isn't a realistic or fair assumption.
post #9203 of 10880
Quote:
Originally Posted by HPforMe View Post

What reliability issue? Take a look at this forum and go through all the sets in which there are threads created and everyone has problems. You'd think not one of the manufacturers could make a reliable set. However, this Forum is just a site which begs for those who have problems. It doesn't address the thousands who have had trouble free performance. Inevitably though, somethings gonna give like most of consumer technology. But to suggest this brand was/is more problematical than others isn't a realistic or fair assumption.

The issues with HDMI, noise, geometry, color wheels, light engines, cabinet flex, audio and f/w exceed what I've seen in the other brand threads. Of course AVS is not a good indicator of overall brand reliability. But the problems with these sets are so severe that, combined with HP quickly leaving the RPTV business, it left a bad taste in many customers mouths. The evidence is all over this thread. Combine this with the fact that HP sold nowhere near the amount of sets that these other brands sell and it shows a clear pattern of excessive problems.

To say that HP was not there for a good amount of customers and their problems is fair. Look at the Samsung posts and what they do to make their customers happy. HP sent out refurbished sets to new set owners, a lot of which were defective themselves.

Then their is the parts pricing. None of the other companies charge anything like HP for bulbs, TMK. $350 is just not fair. All other parts for these sets are far more money than their competitors.

Listen, I love the set. So much so I'd consider getting a 65" to replace it (under warranty of course, and assuming I could find one) despite it's inherent flaws. To say that these sets are comparatively reliable to the competition, though, is just untrue.

-Evan
post #9204 of 10880
HDMI good video no sound sony Blu-Ray any ideas anybody wonderful md5880
no problems but this
Ron
post #9205 of 10880
I'm coming up on two years for my 5880 with very few problems. Only weird thing is the screen going black suddenly but the audio is still ok. TV responds to the remote buttons but not the ones on the side of the TV. Cycling power seems to restore things to normal. Happened only 3 times over two years.

Brightness seems down a little after two years so was getting ready to order a new light bulb. But after reading through the last few pages of this thread, I'm wondering how much longer my set might last. This is depressing. And parts are hard to get too? I don't know if I could go through the whole buying exercise again and spending all that money. I just want to watch TV. *sigh*
post #9206 of 10880
Quote:
Originally Posted by quaiboy View Post

The issues with HDMI, noise, geometry, color wheels, light engines, cabinet flex, audio and f/w exceed what I've seen in the other brand threads. Of course AVS is not a good indicator of overall brand reliability. But the problems with these sets are so severe that, combined with HP quickly leaving the RPTV business, it left a bad taste in many customers mouths. The evidence is all over this thread. Combine this with the fact that HP sold nowhere near the amount of sets that these other brands sell and it shows a clear pattern of excessive problems.

To say that HP was not there for a good amount of customers and their problems is fair. Look at the Samsung posts and what they do to make their customers happy. HP sent out refurbished sets to new set owners, a lot of which were defective themselves.

Then their is the parts pricing. None of the other companies charge anything like HP for bulbs, TMK. $350 is just not fair. All other parts for these sets are far more money than their competitors.

Listen, I love the set. So much so I'd consider getting a 65" to replace it (under warranty of course, and assuming I could find one) despite it's inherent flaws. To say that these sets are comparatively reliable to the competition, though, is just untrue.

-Evan

Agreed. I love the set, but with HP getting out of the DLP biz... well, we just won't have parts at any kind of decent price. There are many intermittent issues people have reported and I've seen myself. It sucks, but it just feels like my TV is on borrowed time - like a disposable. I'm seriously considering selling mine while it's still up and running to get something out of it before it tanks. (That and I'll probably be moving in to a smaller place where my 65" won't really fit well)
post #9207 of 10880
I'll buy your TV if you can figure out how to ship to CA
post #9208 of 10880
quaiboy,

Some of us have had not problems at all with our MD6580N sets. Evidently, since you are still attached to yours and using it daily, you are to be included among those happy users. As to the negative hype one reads on these Forums, that's what needs to be taken with a grain of salt. you might say, that excessive negative hype is what drums mfgrs out of certain businesses.
post #9209 of 10880
Quote:
Originally Posted by PlayDoh View Post

Agreed. I love the set, but with HP getting out of the DLP biz... well, we just won't have parts at any kind of decent price. There are many intermittent issues people have reported and I've seen myself. It sucks, but it just feels like my TV is on borrowed time - like a disposable. I'm seriously considering selling mine while it's still up and running to get something out of it before it tanks. (That and I'll probably be moving in to a smaller place where my 65" won't really fit well)

I would whole-heartedly endorse that approach. About 3 months ago my 5880 started displaying flashing vertical black lines across the right side of the screen. My TV was out of warranty so I had to get a 3rd party tech to come out and look at it. He promptly told me that he'd seen the same problem a few times and it needed a new light engine. A mere $2200 to get one. I managed to find someone on this forum selling one but it now appears that the package was either lost or never sent, so I'm back at square 1 and between the tech and the deal I'm out $700 with nothing to show for it but a useless TV. On top of that I've pretty much got to buy a new TV now and find a way to get rid of the broken one.

But the thing that really grinds my gears is that I really like the HP. It has a great picture and stellar sound even compared to the newest sets. I wish HP would step up and stand behind their product better. As it is though my $4k got me about 20 months of TV (that's $200/month!) - HP should be ashamed.

So yes, if your TV is still functional, get out while you can.
post #9210 of 10880
I loved my 5880 for the first 21 trouble-free months. I had the 4 year extended warranty with Warrantech's Repairmaster. I had to find my own tech and await reimbursement for the $261 visit. He determined that I had correctly diagnosed it as a failing light engine. Too expensive to fix if you can find the part so they made me an offer I wasn't too happy with - a Samsung HLR6168 or $1119.99. They argued with me that the 6168 accepted 1080P through HDMI. Of course, it is well documented in the owner's thread here that it does not. I am taking the cash with no reimbursement for the remaining 2 years of my warranty. I will never give them my business again.

I have moved on and picked up my Sony 60" A3000 from CC for under $2k. I did get the CC 4 year warranty. The Sony takes 1080p from 3 HDMI, 2 Component and the RGB inputs. I am very happy with it, so far and the pictures equals that of the HP in my eyes.
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