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post #241 of 474
Hey, I managed to get my 8300HD recognized by XP using the methods described in the thread (Drivers and all installed). TSReaderLite recognizes the device on firewire and starts up, but it won't recognize the stream.

Image of TSReaderLite:
img529.imageshack.us/img529/5406/nosignalud0.jpg

It says Signal: N/A

Does that mean my 8300HD's firewire is disabled? I wasn't able to find in the menus if it was enabled or not. How do I navigate there? My firmware is SARA 1.89.20.1.
post #242 of 474
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Originally Posted by Unearthly View Post

Hey, I managed to get my 8300HD recognized by XP using the methods described in the thread (Drivers and all installed). TSReaderLite recognizes the device on firewire and starts up, but it won't recognize the stream.

Image of TSReaderLite:
img529.imageshack.us/img529/5406/nosignalud0.jpg

It says Signal: N/A

Does that mean my 8300HD's firewire is disabled? I wasn't able to find in the menus if it was enabled or not. How do I navigate there? My firmware is SARA 1.89.20.1.

before you give up, try a couple different channels by tuning to the channel and then restarting tsreader
post #243 of 474
I tried that, but then I went through some 30+ diagnostic screens until I finally found:

32/39 Copy Protection Screen
..........Copy Protection......Enabled
1394.....Unavailable.........Unavailable

Is there anything I can do (Call the cable company [Charter]?) to get this port enabled?
post #244 of 474
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Originally Posted by Unearthly View Post

I tried that, but then I went through some 30+ diagnostic screens until I finally found:

32/39 Copy Protection Screen
..........Copy Protection......Enabled
1394.....Unavailable.........Unavailable

Is there anything I can do (Call the cable company [Charter]?) to get this port enabled?

My screen says the same thing (Sara 1.89.17). Depending on the answer to the above question, I'll look into this new app for recording that you guys are talking about!
post #245 of 474
You can't get live TV out the firewire port. You have to play back a program that was previously recorded.
post #246 of 474
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Originally Posted by paule123 View Post

You can't get live TV out the firewire port. You have to play back a program that was previously recorded.

Thanks.

My diagnostics for Copy Protection stil shows 1394 as disabled/disabled, when I play back a recorded show.
post #247 of 474
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Originally Posted by CZ Eddie View Post

Thanks.

My diagnostics for Copy Protection stil shows 1394 as disabled/disabled, when I play back a recorded show.

I wouldn't pay much attention to that, I get the same 1394 disabled status on my SA8300HD SARA 1.89.20.1 (WOW cable, Cleveland) but I can play back prerecorded stuff through the firewire.

It also tells me my DVI/HDMI is disabled, and I know for a fact it works too.
post #248 of 474
Is there any way I can definitively tell whether my firewire port is active? I called Charter today and they told me that they don't support the firewire port. I told them about the FCC mandate and they said they'd investigate it and get back to me. Of course, if it is activated, I'd like to know before I get all on their nerves for nothing.

So, how do I tell if the firewire port is working? Preferably through a DVR menu item, as my drivers are all set up and recognize the hardware but get no signal.
post #249 of 474
Thanks paule123 !
post #250 of 474
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Originally Posted by Unearthly View Post

Is there any way I can definitively tell whether my firewire port is active? I called Charter today and they told me that they don't support the firewire port. I told them about the FCC mandate and they said they'd investigate it and get back to me. Of course, if it is activated, I'd like to know before I get all on their nerves for nothing.

So, how do I tell if the firewire port is working? Preferably through a DVR menu item, as my drivers are all set up and recognize the hardware but get no signal.

Did you try recording something, then play it back, and see if TSReader picks up the stream? Other than that, I don't know of a "definitive" way to see if the port works.

Re the FCC mandate, it seems a few cable companies work around that by offering a non-DVR HD box (i.e., the SA3250HD) with firewire enabled for live TV.
post #251 of 474
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Originally Posted by paule123 View Post

Did you try recording something, then play it back, and see if TSReader picks up the stream?

I tried lots of different programs that I've recorded, and none of them are picked up by TSReader. It always just reads 0 MBits and signal N/A.

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Re the FCC mandate, it seems a few cable companies work around that by offering a non-DVR HD box (i.e., the SA3250HD) with firewire enabled for live TV.

That would be annoying, both for having more boxes and being restricted to live TV, but it's not clear what they will do so I'll tell you what happens when they get back to me (hopefully soon...).
post #252 of 474
It depends on the show you are trying to record.....as some set the 5c flag preventing you copying the program. HBO HD does that for me but some of the standard HBO channels allow me to record to my PC.

Have everything plugged in, start TSreader, start playback of your DVR and wait....if nothing comes up try rebooting your pc with everything still plugged in.

I've tried grabbing a copy protected program (HBOHD of Star Wars) and I couldn't get anything else after that to record. I rebooted the PC (maybe the cable box too...can't remember) and then I could record some of the other non copy protected stuff that I was unable to originally after attempting the copy protected one.

It's a slow process, lots of experimenting. I finally grabbed a good transfer of Joe Satriani in concert and converted it to a standard DVD. It looks and sounds so much better than the 'cable box to DVD burner' DVD I did before.

Try grabbing some regular channel DVR'd stuff like Sci-Fi or something....when you get that working then move on to the HI-Def stuff. It's easier to capture SD as even the free stuff (VLC, CapDVHS) all worked perfectly for me....getting the HD stuff has been more challenging.
post #253 of 474
Ok, so after restarting my computer and switching around channels I was finally able to recognize a stream!

I started with a local news station SD broadcast, which appeard to capture perfectly (It only had this static on the top, which didnt look like a transfer error.

Next I tried a 1080i, however I got lots of continuity errors. Either it would get that missing keyframe and cause that easy to recognize blocking or it would pause and then skip ahead. The audio seemed fine though.

Do the hardware specs (other than firewire, I had a PCI card with it) matter at all? TSReaderLite seemed to use very little processing power while capturing. Does CPU, RAM, Motherboard have any significant impact or is it mostly all transfer rate? I'm definately looking to minimize these continuity errors.
post #254 of 474
Have you done the regedit "edit" to change the WinXP SP2 with firewire update for the firewire interface to 400 instead of the default 100 mbit ?

I did a test last night, recorded Bikini Destinations flawlessly last night. For the 30 minute show I had 7 continuity errors at the beginning when I was starting/stopping the playback of the show while getting TSReader setup to record. Once I started the recording I had ZERO additional continuity errors. The show came out perfect. The only difference I did between this recording and the Joe Satriani concert (which had a few errors and glitches) was I disabled my laptops wireless card.

Either tonight or this weekend I'll try to re-record the Joe Satriani concert with the wireless card disabled to see if I can get that flawlessly.

Note - I read every thing in this thread and downloaded/installed most everything mentioned. Primarily the ScientificAtlantic drivers, the firewire drivers, the firewire patch, did the registry edit and bought/installed TSReader. Can't think of anything else that would be different than everything posted in this thread.
post #255 of 474
OK, I've been following this thread for about a year, since we switched from Comcast to Knology. As with most things on this site, the abbreviations and terms are a bit over my head. I know computers, but don't know what software to use or where to get it.

I have a bunch of spare parts that I will eventually Frankenstein into a HTPC, with the primary purpose of backing up my DVR stuff. What I'm interested in right now is clearing out all the kid's shows (Nick Jr, etc) and putting them on a DVD to watch. Please tell me what I need to do this, besides a firewire connection (I gathered that already).

Also, your experiences with how much digital, non-HD programing space takes up. Thanks.
post #256 of 474
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Originally Posted by tcrews View Post


Note - I read every thing in this thread and downloaded/installed most everything mentioned. Primarily the ScientificAtlantic drivers, the firewire drivers, the firewire patch, did the registry edit and bought/installed TSReader. Can't think of anything else that would be different than everything posted in this thread.

Did you change the TSreader settings or use default?

The settings I posted a page or so back worked well for me.
post #257 of 474
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Originally Posted by jrbd90 View Post

Did you change the TSreader settings or use default?

The settings I posted a page or so back worked well for me.

Default settings.....I totally forgot to change anything until I was 1/2 way through recording so just let it run. I kept looking at the Continuity errors and saw it was not increasing so I just let it run.
post #258 of 474
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Originally Posted by tcrews View Post

Default settings.....I totally forgot to change anything until I was 1/2 way through recording so just let it run. I kept looking at the Continuity errors and saw it was not increasing so I just let it run.

Turning off the thumbnail stream helped on my "office" recordings.

Upped the buffers and setting higher priority to the stream pipe helped as well.
post #259 of 474
Just a note...

I recorded another program (another episode of bikini destinations) and had around 300 continuity errors (after 7 on the other recording). I tried an episode of 'Get Out' and had over 1000 continuity errors.

No changes....just different recordings on the DVR. The one with the 1000 errors I noticed errors on playback from the DVR. The cleaner/stronger the signal you record the better the playback/firewire recording. I need to get TWC out to fix my signal as the box in the bedroom (that has firewire) isn't getting all the channels anymore and those around the missing channels are breaking up, stuttering...
post #260 of 474
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Have you done the regedit "edit" to change the WinXP SP2 with firewire update for the firewire interface to 400 instead of the default 100 mbit ?

I had, and it was set to 400. I decided to go in and change it to 800 (I have no idea if my firewire card can do that) and my captures are going MUCH better now. For the 1 minute captures I'm getting less than 10 errors in 1080i. I'll try turning off the thumbnail too to see if that helps. I am using the suggested settings for TSReader in this thread as well.

Great thread.
post #261 of 474
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Originally Posted by tcrews View Post

Have you done the regedit "edit" to change the WinXP SP2 with firewire update for the firewire interface to 400 instead of the default 100 mbit ?

Can someone please post the reg key that needs to be checked?
Thanks!
post #262 of 474
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Originally Posted by replayrob View Post

Can someone please post the reg key that needs to be checked?
Thanks!

1. Click Start, click Run, type regedit, and then click OK.
2. Locate and then click the following registry subkey:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SYSTEM\\CurrentControlSet\\Enum\\PCI\\13 94_hc_hw_id\\1394_instance_id\\Device Parameters
3. If the SidSpeed value does not exist in the right pane after you click the Device Parameters subkey in step 2, create it. To do this, point to New on the Edit menu, click DWORD Value, type SidSpeed, and then press ENTER.
4. Right-click SidSpeed, and then click Modify.
5. In the Value data box, type one of the values that are shown in the following table, and then click OK.
Value Speed
0 S100 speed
1 S200 speed
2 S400 speed (default value)
3 S400/S800 speed (Windows XP Service Pack 1 [SP1] value)
Note If you try to use a value that is larger than 3, SidSpeed will use a value of 0 (S100 speed).
6. Quit Registry Editor.

You'll need to know your 1394 Hardware ID....

mine looks like this...

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SYSTEM\\CurrentControlSet\\Enum\\PCI\\VE N_1217&DEV_00F7&SUBSYS_01CC1028&REV_02\\4&2fe911e8&0&0CF0\\Device Parameters
post #263 of 474
Are there certain boxes that will only work on certain cable companies?

I got a box from my buddy on the east coast. He was running SARA and my neighbor's box is running SARA... Figured I could just plug and play right? Nope. I plugged the box in, it showed the time, then it rebooted, acting like it was updating. It gave the same errors as when you replace the HD and then started counting backwards in hex. I figured "cool, it's updating." Well after it counts down to 000 it shuts down. I power it on and it says "boot", then just show a black screen on the TV and ---- on the front display panel.

I've tried replacing the HD with a 40 gig I had laying around with the same result. I've checked the diagnostics and it's running sara... I can load up the diagnostic and shut the thing down, then load it up again with no problems, it just wont load the user interface or show anything other than a black screen for some reason...

Any suggestions?
post #264 of 474
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Originally Posted by jwizzle View Post

Are there certain boxes that will only work on certain cable companies?

I got a box from my buddy on the east coast. He was running SARA and my neighbor's box is running SARA... Figured I could just plug and play right?

The box is looking for "authorization" and it apparently could not find your box's ID in their customer database - so the cable system will not play with it. Sorry - send it back to your buddy (by now his cable company is likely sending him a bill for $500 for the box).
post #265 of 474
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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

The box is looking for "authorization" and it apparently could not find your box's ID in their customer database - so the cable system will not play with it. Sorry - send it back to your buddy (by now his cable company is likely sending him a bill for $500 for the box).

Weak!! Ok thanks for the info.
post #266 of 474
Hmm. I gave up on trying to capture recorded programming from my 8300 months ago after failing to get CapDVHS and VLC to work with it. The CapDVHS program would crash and VLC would cause either my PC or 8300 (or both) to reboot. Nobody here seemed to be able to get it to work so I dropped it. Well, I was just catching up on the latest posts today and that TSReader program looked promising. However, I thought I would give VLC another try first. I checked their website and noticed a newer version available (v0.8.6c) than what I was using before (v0.8.6), so I downloaded and installed it. I also did the registry edit described above. Everything else in my setup is exactly the same as before. So I tried to capture 20 min of Chinatown off the 8300. To my surprise, nothing crashed after starting the recording session. I checked the stats tab and saw the appropiate data fields populated. The resultant file grew to a large size quite quickly. After 20 min I stopped the recording and played it back in MPC. Playback was flawless. Not a single glitch. I'll try to repeat my success tomorrow, this time with the capture of an hour of material from another copy free channel, and report my findings.

TWC, SARA, Windows XP SP2
post #267 of 474
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Originally Posted by delar View Post

Hmm. I gave up on trying to capture recorded programming from my 8300 months ago after failing to get CapDVHS and VLC to work with it. The CapDVHS program would crash and VLC would cause either my PC or 8300 (or both) to reboot. Nobody here seemed to be able to get it to work so I dropped it. Well, I was just catching up on the latest posts today and that TSReader program looked promising. However, I thought I would give VLC another try first. I checked their website and noticed a newer version available (v0.8.6c) than what I was using before (v0.8.6), so I downloaded and installed it. I also did the registry edit described above. Everything else in my setup is exactly the same as before. So I tried to capture 20 min of Chinatown off the 8300. To my surprise, nothing crashed after starting the recording session. I checked the stats tab and saw the appropiate data fields populated. The resultant file grew to a large size quite quickly. After 20 min I stopped the recording and played it back in MPC. Playback was flawless. Not a single glitch. I'll try to repeat my success tomorrow, this time with the capture of an hour of material from another copy free channel, and report my findings.

TWC, SARA, Windows XP SP2

Delar, I just tried VLC 0.8.6c per your suggestion and thought at first the glitches were gone. I captured a prerecorded HDNet concert off the SA8300HD and it seemed almost glitch free. However when I tried some CBS and DiscoveryHD stuff, the glitches were back again. I tried SidSpeed with 2 and then with 3, no difference. I tried upping the VLC cache value, no difference. Turned off wireless networking, no difference. I did not enable screen preview while capturing, and task manager showed VLC only using about 15% CPU while capturing to disk. The HDD light was blinking at a leisurely pace (not full on during capture). In other words it didn't seem the CPU or HDD were overly burdened.

Just curious what your firewire card is?

I am testing with a Dell Inspiron 5100 laptop with the built in Texas Instruments firewire on motherboard. P4 2.4Ghz, WinXP SP2. WOW cable, running SARA.
post #268 of 474
Hey guys,

Living Laurel, MD (Howard County) with Comcast right now. I have a SA8300HD (have to get back to you guys on the software version) that will have to go back soon because i'm making the switch to FIOS.

I wanted to pull some of the content I recorded over the years on my HD/DVR and I came across this thread when I searched for "pulling off recordings from SA8300HD." I'm a mac guy so most probably the thread mentioned by paule123 in this post:

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Originally Posted by paule123 View Post

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How-To: MacOS X Firewire HDTV recording
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=386740

....

would probably be more relevant, but since I'm already here, I thought I'd finish what I started with this post.

I wanted to put together some of the posts for anyone new who stumbles across this thread who's a Mac Person.

Thanks to dannyv@cybernex for firing off the starter question that has (what I hope) will be most of the answers I'm looking for:

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Originally Posted by dannyv@cybernex. View Post

I'm going to set up a mac g4 with OSX 10.4 tiger this weekend. Can you give me some detail as to what I will need to set up capturing such as firewire driver, video capture software etc. etc. plus any other hints or tricks you can think of.

And thanks to paule123 for the response:
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Originally Posted by paule123 View Post

Follow the steps here:
http://www.pressleypress.com/blog/?p=35

The Firewire SDK package has the AVCVideoCap application already built in. I followed his "AVCVideoCap" method, those were easier than fooling around with the Virtual DVHS "channel 63" weirdness. So, to paraphrase the Pressley site:


AVCVideoCap :

1a) Perform steps 1-4 ...

1) Download and install Apple's Firewire SDK found at ftp://ftp.apple.com/developer/Develo...eWireSDK22.dmg
2) Connect your Mac to either firewire port located at the back of the 8300HD while the Mac is off.
3) Power on the Mac
4) Tune to the HD channel you wish to capture. (On your STB)

2a) Run the AVCVideoCap app located under /Developer/FirewireSDK22/Applications/
3a) Select your device in the AVCVideoCap UI.
4a) Click the Capture from Device button.
5a) Choose where you want the video saved.
6a) Enter how long you want to capture in minutes.
7a) Hit continue.
8a) Capturing occurs!


Note I am using the Firewire SDK 23, which is a little bit newer and available here:
http://developer.apple.com/sdk/
You have to set up a free Apple developer account to access it, though.


To answer your previous question, yes, TS files are compatible between Mac and PC. Transport Streams are just the raw data from the broadcaster without any re-encoding, so they are playable on anything that supports TS.

Also wanted to mention the first follow up question which seems to lead to more info:
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Originally Posted by paule123 View Post

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Originally Posted by uncertainty View Post

Paulie does AVCVideocap allow one to set the size of files to save? For example if I wanted to save a 2 hour movie into 4GB files will it allow that type of save or can it only be done manually?

thanks

I really don't remember what the options are in AVCVideoCap. Here's a little AVCVideoCap tutorial I found:
http://project-tigershark.com/people...irewire-hd-pvr

I also stumbled across this, something called iRecord might be useful to you:
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.p...60421212958602

How-To: MacOS X Firewire HDTV recording
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=386740

Google is your friend.

I had a couple other questions/comments to some posts:

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Originally Posted by Hellbreed View Post

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Just wanted to let everyone know that I did some testing today with a G4 Notebook, has 1GB Ram and is 1Ghz. I tested about 5 mins recording from a pre-recorded movie, got my m2t file, played it on the G4 notebook and it was really studdering. Copied it to my PC and it was very smooth, so it seems the 1GHz is enough to record the file but not play it. The source was 1080i and 5.1 surround and my test file ended up with looking pretty much the same, no audio or graphic issues.
...

I hope my 2.16 ghz macbook pro w/ 3gigs of ram can handle the resulting .m2t file.

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Originally Posted by dannyv@cybernex. View Post

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I use a G4 450mhz and get great captures but as expected it plays back with studder. I transfer it to my PC and convert it to HD DIVx with 5.1 sound and it plays back perfectly with fantastic video quality and sound.

...

How easy is it to convert this file to DIVX? Why can't this be done on the Mac?

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Originally Posted by paule123 View Post

You can't get live TV out the firewire port. You have to play back a program that was previously recorded.

Good to know, I only care about prerecorded stuff.


I thought I'd include this post too in this Mac Summary Post:

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Originally Posted by dannyv@cybernex. View Post

Just want to follow-up on my attempts with the mac g4 that I setup.
The mac captures far better then the PC. I captured a 1 hour HD program on a network cable channel and a 1 hour HBO HD show and both captured perfectly with no frame dropouts. I had some microblocking and audio dropout which was on the 8300hd original recording. I noticed that after the microblocking and audio dropout on the HBO show. The audio went out of sync for about 5 minutes. On the network show (the program 24 on fox) the microblocking and audio dropouts on the origional recording (8300hd) were present on the capture but did not make the audio go out of sync. The microblocking and audio dropouts were not excessive (once every 20mins or so). I used mpeg2repair on these streams but this did not help. I used avcdvhs to capture and did not need to use avcbrowser to detect the stb. I had to open and close avcdvhs many times before it let me capture anything (capture button remained grayed out). If anyone has a solution or explination as to why this is happening on avcdvhs it would be greatly appreciated.

I copied the stream from the Mac G4 to my PC and used nero vision express 7.0 to convert the stream to DVD and this worked perfectly and resulted in DVD quality video and 5.1 digital audio. Nero also recoginized the stream (.m2t) from the mac and needed no converting.

Hope this helps out some people... I'll post my results in here soon, and I'll try to become a part of the more relevant How-To: MacOS X Firewire HDTV recording thread ( http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=386740 )
post #269 of 474
Paule, I'm not sure of the brand name firewire card (Belkin?), but it says Texas Instrument under Device Manager.

So tonight I tried to capture an HBO program off the 8300 and was unsuccessful. I could only get the "Read at Media" and "Input Bitrate" data fields to populate on VLC's stat tab and ended up with zero byte files. I went back to try Chinatown again (from HDNetMovies) and it worked fine. I went ahead and captured Chinatown in its entirety and a quick review of the transfer shows that it's nearly glitch free.....only a few artifacts and glitches that I find acceptable.

What this all means I really don't know, but the behavior I see does seem to be in line with what others are experiencing......successful captures on some channels, failure on others. I need to test more channels.
post #270 of 474
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Originally Posted by jrbd90 View Post


1. I reinstalled the firewire drivers with the vista-arc1 version (sorry I can't find a link) using the method from this site.

Can someone else find this link? I am getting breakups using firestb.msi no matter which software I use (HD only, SD works). I have followed all of the other steps...

Thanks,
xnappo
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