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post #31 of 474
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Originally Posted by hawkeye3.1 View Post

Out of curiosity, has anybody tried the "Copy to VCR" feature. Probably too much to ask that this would direct the DVR stream to the 1394 port in addition to the analog AV outs, but I have not seen this mentioned in any threads I've read on the subject.

The Copy to VCR is analog only. The firewire outputs the same data as the component and digital coax/optical outputs, i.e. what your currently watching. On my setup, SA83000 to JVC 30k vcr, some channels actually are pretty good, while others have just too many glitches. And i agree with you guys on needing an SA3250. I don't trust the 8300 (on my fourth one).
post #32 of 474
i'm sure when the number of people trying to use this setup is more then 1% of their total subscriber base they will work harder on this issue
post #33 of 474
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MatthewR View Post

i'm sure when the number of people trying to use this setup is more then 1% of their total subscriber base they will work harder on this issue

There will NEVER be more than 1% of their total subscriber base recording to a PC from a 8300 as 1) there are no drivers 2) things will be 5c encrypted to prevent more than 1% from doing it.
post #34 of 474
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Originally Posted by HDTVFanAtic View Post

There will NEVER be more than 1% of their total subscriber base recording to a PC from a 8300 as 1) there are no drivers 2) things will be 5c encrypted to prevent more than 1% from doing it.

I did download firewire.zip from the green button community
and this does include drivers that have provision for SA 8300HD. I installed these and can change channel on 8300HD, but so far haven't succeeded in retrieving mpeg2 stream from 8300HD using VLC or capDVHS.
post #35 of 474
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by PNC View Post

I did download firewire.zip from the green button community
and this does include drivers that have provision for SA 8300HD. I installed these and can change channel on 8300HD, but so far haven't succeeded in retrieving mpeg2 stream from 8300HD using VLC or capDVHS.

I should have been more detailed and stated no drivers made by SA or Microsoft for the 8300HD.
post #36 of 474
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Originally Posted by HDTVFanAtic View Post

I should have been more detailed and stated no drivers made by SA or Microsoft for the 8300HD.

It's all totally frustrating. I wish I had the wherewithall to be able get in there and program stuff .... but I left that all behind years agon when I used to write code for PDP 1145 .... now I have to wait for other better qualified ppl to share the fruits of their labour
post #37 of 474
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

Rememeber, most cable companies use 5C copy protection, which means no PC will work. Only D-VHS.

Sounds like it's time to give up. I have the Sharp LC45GX6U LCD with a comcast cable card. According to the XP device manager the computer sees the tuner but the CAPDVHS software says no capture device.

BTW how does 5C copy protection know the difference between a DVHS deck and a PC?
post #38 of 474
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Originally Posted by PNC View Post

It's all totally frustrating. I wish I had the wherewithall to be able get in there and program stuff .... but I left that all behind years agon when I used to write code for PDP 1145 .... now I have to wait for other better qualified ppl to share the fruits of their labour


I have posted several times in this forum. I guess my fundamental search is for anyone who has been able to successfully record from SA8300HD (Passport Echo 1.8.112 + OS:6.14.43.3841sp) to PC via Firewire.
post #39 of 474
Guess I should have checked in this thread before I just posted this. *sigh*

OK guys...major problems here.

I have a SA HD 8300 with PVR.

I hooked it up via firewire. clicked cancel for the unknown and installed the drivers for the other two. then disabled the unknown.

Here's where the problems come in.

If I click "mytray," absolutely nothing happens.

If I click the command prompts and whatknot, I get something similar to what is outlined in the "read" file but it says "no device selected" when i do the channel -v command.

If i try and record in HD through the program, it crashes.

The box also freezes every time I try and record or even have it plugged into my pc.

HELP!
post #40 of 474
Cant wait for the TiVo Series 3...the SA8300HD users group is just too small to figure this one out I think. I'm sure when the Series 3 comes out the users will find out how to get this done. Too bad though.
post #41 of 474
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by chavel View Post

BTW how does 5C copy protection know the difference between a DVHS deck and a PC?

simple - it doesnt.

It send the encrypted stream - the PC doesn't decode it and records fubar - the DVHS does know what to do with it and records a viewable program.

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Originally Posted by bruizjr View Post

Cant wait for the TiVo Series 3...the SA8300HD users group is just too small to figure this one out I think. I'm sure when the Series 3 comes out the users will find out how to get this done. Too bad though.

We know how to do it - right now the settings from the head end will not allow it.

This isn't going to change with a Series 3 Tivo. If you think you can record anything on a Hard Drive and pull it out of the Series 3 and dump it Hard Drive as you could with earlier Tivos, you are in for a most unpleasant surprise. The contents of a Series 3 Tivo will also be heavily encrypted to prevent the content from being taken off. If this were not so, the unit would not pass the cablecard tv lab tests and thus could never work on a cable system with premium content.

If something is 5c encrypted, the cable cards recognize that and will keep it encrypted in the Tivo - which means you are no further along than you were with the 8300. You might be able to pull a hard drive out of a Series 3 Tivo, but 5c encryption once applied is always there.
post #42 of 474
god damn i got this pixies concert saved on my hard drive that i want to burn so damn bad. now i've got to wait for it to be replayed so i can save it from my 3250
post #43 of 474
I plugged my 8300HD into my mac and it doesn't even show as a device in AVCVideoCap or DVHScap.

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Originally Posted by MatthewR View Post

god damn i got this pixies concert saved on my hard drive that i want to burn so damn bad. now i've got to wait for it to be replayed so i can save it from my 3250

if you're going to burn it, buy the dvd. there's extras on it, too.
post #44 of 474
i just ordered it... but this is actually a different concert... it was recorded in HD in new york. the eidenbourough one i'm getting later this week
post #45 of 474
I just started to think about trying this and this thread seems to indicate that it's a lost cause if even the experts can't make it work.

It looks like the last post was 3/20/06....anything new going on??????

thnx
post #46 of 474
Thread Starter 
As of last week, SA claims they are still working on it. I really think we need the 1394 org to use this as the case to make to FCC.
post #47 of 474
Right...

OK Here is a new idea, possible a helper.

I have A Mitsubishi HD 1080P TV model 52628 which has 2 fire wire ports, AND I bought and added a Toshiba Symbio 160HD4 which working hooked up and using the TV's tuners with a Cable Card will record full movies with ho problems....

So first, perhaps the answer is in the firmware on the Toshiba, or in it's OS...

I can clone the Hard drive which is a 160 gig drive, so I can stack Hard drives....with movies.

But I can currently only play back on the 52inch Mitsubishi, I can not get playback to my Projector System nor can I do any frame grabs etc.

So perhaps someone can see how the Toshiba is able to record off my cable system AOK...

And perhaps in my case I can filter my recordings thought my TV and Toshiba to my computer....

But so far as I understand it the TV will see the 8300 as a DVR, but when it does do playback I do not know it the content is also on the other fire wire port

Perhaps by playing the 8300 thought the TV and picking up the playback on the other firewire port??

OR simply record on the Toshiba and feed it's out put to the computer...

I don't have time to try and would be hopeless lose trying... but if any one can try please email me at racprops@cox.net and tell me how to do it.

Thanks.

Rich
post #48 of 474
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Originally Posted by racprops View Post

Right...

OK Here is a new idea, possible a helper.

I have A Mitsubishi HD 1080P TV model 52628 which has 2 fire wire ports, AND I bought and added a Toshiba Symbio 160HD4 which working hooked up and using the TV's tuners with a Cable Card will record full movies with ho problems....

So first, perhaps the answer is in the firmware on the Toshiba, or in it's OS...

I can clone the Hard drive which is a 160 gig drive, so I can stack Hard drives....with movies.

But I can currently only play back on the 52inch Mitsubishi, I can not get playback to my Projector System nor can I do any frame grabs etc.

So perhaps someone can see how the Toshiba is able to record off my cable system AOK...

And perhaps in my case I can filter my recordings thought my TV and Toshiba to my computer....

But so far as I understand it the TV will see the 8300 as a DVR, but when it does do playback I do not know it the content is also on the other fire wire port

Perhaps by playing the 8300 thought the TV and picking up the playback on the other firewire port??

OR simply record on the Toshiba and feed it's out put to the computer...

I don't have time to try and would be hopeless lose trying... but if any one can try please email me at racprops@cox.net and tell me how to do it.

Thanks.

Rich

If you're trying to circumvent 5c flagged content, it WILL NOT work, 5c flags are carried on the transport stream of the programming, and will travel ANYWHERE the actual digital A/V content goes. Because of this, there is really no way to get around 5c, that is if you want the original digital copy of the content.
post #49 of 474
I do not know if I have to rid it of the 5c, all I wanted to do was record it on my PC so that I can do frame captures and play it back on my projector and I can IF I can get it into the computer...

The little HDDVR Toshiba box with its little 160 Gig hard drive all ready does it, I have recorded movies on it.....It works.

I am suggesting if we can figure HOW it works, (firmware or Software) then we might have an answer on how to get our computers to do so as well.

Run the movies though it...as a convertor box??

After all it is only a little computer its self.

One idea.

And there is a software that was suppost to allow me to record from my TV to my computer and then play it back, I just could not get it working...

So for me I can record off my cable, one movie at a time...in 1080I...

So I am not too badly off.

But I really perfir to watch 1080I on my 8 foot movie screen, so I am bugging you guys...

Rich
post #50 of 474
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Originally Posted by racprops View Post

I do not know if I have to rid it of the 5c, all I wanted to do was record it on my PC so that I can do frame captures and play it back on my projector and I can IF I can get it into the computer...

The little HDDVR Toshiba box with its little 160 Gig hard drive all ready does it, I have recorded movies on it.....It works.

I am suggesting if we can figure HOW it works, (firmware or Software) then we might have an answer on how to get our computers to do so as well.

Run the movies though it...as a convertor box??

After all it is only a little computer its self.

One idea.

And there is a software that was suppost to allow me to record from my TV to my computer and then play it back, I just could not get it working...

So for me I can record off my cable, one movie at a time...in 1080I...

So I am not too badly off.

But I really perfir to watch 1080I on my 8 foot movie screen, so I am bugging you guys...

Rich

5c is the mother of firewire though. Many times, STB's will block firewire output to any non-5c enabled devices. This is so that you cannot transfer 5c flagged content to a device which will not enforce 5c, such as a computer. Some STB's, such as the Motorola DCT series, will ALLOW you to transfer content over firewire to non-5c enabled devices, such as a PC, other STB's, such as the Moxi (designed by Digeo and produced by Motorola) will not. I don't know how the SA boxes work in regards to firewire, but if they block output over firewire to non-5c devices, then you're pretty much SOL. Even if your devices are 5c enabled, that means that "copy never," and "copy once" content will not make it onto your PC because you will not have enough allowable copies to transfer it.

Good luck getting this to work.
post #51 of 474
Right, so the trick maybe to get the computer to look 5C compliant......

Rich
post #52 of 474
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Originally Posted by racprops View Post

Right, so the trick maybe to get the computer to look 5C compliant......

Rich

Good luck, we need some computer wizzes here.............
post #53 of 474
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Originally Posted by PNC View Post

I did download firewire.zip from the green button community
and this does include drivers that have provision for SA 8300HD. I installed these and can change channel on 8300HD, but so far haven't succeeded in retrieving mpeg2 stream from 8300HD using VLC or capDVHS.

So I have a non-MCE XP SP2 system, and have (successfully) installed the FIRESTB drivers. CapDVHS starts up OK and sees the capture device, but immediately crashes when I start recording (see attached image).

Anyone experience this?
LL
post #54 of 474
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Originally Posted by samiam75 View Post

So I have a non-MCE XP SP2 system, and have (successfully) installed the FIRESTB drivers. CapDVHS starts up OK and sees the capture device, but immediately crashes when I start recording (see attached image).

Anyone experience this?

Try on a different machine or re-install Windows.
post #55 of 474
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Originally Posted by twitchee3 View Post

Try on a different machine or re-install Windows.

Had a feeling you'd say that. I'll try a reload; see if I can anothe system with F/W.

Anyone know if this will work on a WIn2K box?
post #56 of 474
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Originally Posted by samiam75 View Post

Had a feeling you'd say that. I'll try a reload; see if I can anothe system with F/W.

Anyone know if this will work on a WIn2K box?

XP only.
post #57 of 474
soooo -

i have tried to catch up on everything posted - all i want to do is copy my gorgeous Bon Jovi Borgata Concert from INHD (which is a free channel in Cablevision NJ country so doubt any 5c issues) that i have been saving for over 2 yrs now i think...onto my hard disk -

i have 2 questions....

1. - I believe the file on the hard disk in the 8300 is a transport stream (.ts) - if thats correct is everyone trying to figure out a way to COPY that file and then play in VLC and if that is correct, there would be no loss of quality that way right?

I know ip you output through the components or even HDMI to a HTPC then wont that by definition involve a loss of quality because it is rerecoding another instance right?

2. - if above is pretty much right, then is that status that we are waiting from a response from SA on the driver issue, so there is still hope right?

I have 2 boxes and the other one went into a reboot spiral of death and they are replacing it tomorrow - fortunately not the one with my concert


Thank you all for the insight and efforts as always - ill try to question the tech tomorrow, but doubt itll get anywhere but u never know - sometimes you get the one geek hacker guy
post #58 of 474
Any Help Please? - Im Trying Out Here....
post #59 of 474
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Originally Posted by bjmjpl View Post

soooo -

i have tried to catch up on everything posted - all i want to do is copy my gorgeous Bon Jovi Borgata Concert from INHD (which is a free channel in Cablevision NJ country so doubt any 5c issues) that i have been saving for over 2 yrs now i think...onto my hard disk -

i have 2 questions....

1. - I believe the file on the hard disk in the 8300 is a transport stream (.ts) - if thats correct is everyone trying to figure out a way to COPY that file and then play in VLC and if that is correct, there would be no loss of quality that way right?

I know ip you output through the components or even HDMI to a HTPC then wont that by definition involve a loss of quality because it is rerecoding another instance right?

2. - if above is pretty much right, then is that status that we are waiting from a response from SA on the driver issue, so there is still hope right?

I have 2 boxes and the other one went into a reboot spiral of death and they are replacing it tomorrow - fortunately not the one with my concert


Thank you all for the insight and efforts as always - ill try to question the tech tomorrow, but doubt itll get anywhere but u never know - sometimes you get the one geek hacker guy


Did you go to the very beginning of this thread?

It's been a while since I tried to see if this was practical, but I think most everyone concluded that it wasn't going to work with the 8300...........
post #60 of 474
I use the Windows XP drivers described at:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5&page=1&pp=30

I have the new version of software for the Houston Texas Time Warner Cable SA8300HD. But, it has not helped improve the situation.

http://geocities.com/truerock2/IMG_0447.jpg

It looks like the firewire ports are not turned on:

http://geocities.com/truerock2/IMG_0446.jpg

Does anyone have any information about what Time Warner's plans are for the SA8300HD in Houston?

My Windows XP PC is getting power from the firewire cable connected to the SA8300HD. And it recognizes the SA8300HD:

http://geocities.com/truerock2/IMG_0448.jpg

Before Time Warner upgraded the software, my PC would not even detect the firewire cable.

Notice how the Scientific Atlanta AV/C Tuner Device has (Unknown Video #1) next to it. I think this means that the IEEE 1394 port is working, but nothing is comming out of it. Or, at least the device driver cannot see the video comming out of it.

The Channel.exe program works:

C:\\Program Files\\Timmmoore\\MCE 2005 STB Controller>channel -v -a4 2 11
Firewire STB channel changer V1.0.15, by timmmoore
Device 2 Channel 11 Timeout 100 Dec 0
1 "FireBus MPEG2TS Tuner Subunit Device"
'Scientific-Atlanta AV/C Tuner Device'
"@devicenp:\\\\?\\avc#scientific-atlanta__inc.&explorer(r)_8300hd&typ_5&id_0#2271ade61100#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\\global" 0
2 "AVC Panel Device"
'Scientific-Atlanta AV/C Panel Device'

UniqueID '2271ade61100'
VendorID '11e6'
ModelID '206c'
VendorText 'Scientific-Atlanta Inc.'
ModelText 'Explorer(R) 8300HD'
"@devicenp:\\\\?\\avc#scientific-atlanta__inc.&explorer(r)_8300hd&typ_9&id_0#2271ade61100#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\\global" 1
3 'VideoMate TV Capture'
"@devicenp:\\\\?\\pci#ven_1131&dev_7133&subsys_c100185b&rev_10#4&2e98101c&0&18f0#{65e8773d-8f56-11d0-a3b9-00a0c9223196}\\global" 0
4 'ViCAM Digital Camera AVI Driver'
"@device:cm:{860BB310-5D01-11D0-BD3B-00A0C911CE86}\\ViCAM Digital Camera AVI Driver" 0
Device Id "Device Version "2.1.0"
Using alternative command 4
Response (0x09 (ACCEPTED)) received 7 bytes
09 48 7c e7 04 00 0b
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