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post #31 of 1432
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Originally Posted by edBozarth View Post

Hey there,
Can anyone recommend an ideal upconverting DVD player for one of these LCD tv's? Is it best via 720p or 1080i? Any models that folks have had success with?

Thanks!
-Ed

Video processing in this set is excellent. I have a (Cheapo, $48) Panasonic DVD player hooked up via component, out-putting 480i and the the pic is great. Don't waste your money on an upconverting DVD Player, let the set do it.

Mine also came no dead pixels and I did not buy the extended warranty, which I believe is always a fear based unnecessary expense.

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post #32 of 1432
I returned the 26" XBR. Nice feature set, but:

1. Too much grain.
2. A "paint-by-numbers" look with low IRE, near-black content. Transitions were not smooth.
3. An over emphasized green that gave facial highlights and near-black content (dark suits, for example) a greenish tint. This situation happened with HD, SD, DVD, OTA, etc.

I really wanted to like this set.

Paul
post #33 of 1432
Well, I ordered the OPPO upconverting DVD player and will compare it our cheapo player and let you know how it goes with this set.
post #34 of 1432
Just got my 40" XBR1 today. There's a dead pixel on the right side of the screen right in the middle. It's shining bright green. I might try the stuck pixel software I saw, but otherwise it's going back. Best Buy better not hassle me about the return.

It looks awesome otherwise. I'll play around with it over the next few days and see what happens.
post #35 of 1432
Best Buy has the dead pixel policy of 6 or more I believe. Although not sure for 100%. Some I heard that they go with the manufacture's policy also.
post #36 of 1432
I have this TV, but will be exchanging it within my 30-day period for a Pioneer Elite 1130HD plasma.

The reasons are that:

* I'm not satisfied with the black level (I heard that this unit, even though it is an LCD, had better black than before... that may be, but still not good enough for me)

* 40" is too small for my living room

* blurring on fast action scenes, and even some slow action scenes.

* not enough detail in dark scenes - this stems from the black level


I have read the 6gen pio threads, but would like your opinion - what do you think would be a downside of going from the kdlv40xbr1 to the pro1130hd?
post #37 of 1432
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Originally Posted by riDuh7 View Post

Best Buy has the dead pixel policy of 6 or more I believe. Although not sure for 100%. Some I heard that they go with the manufacture's policy also.

I think Best Buy also has a 30 day no questions asked return policy for tv's. So the number of defective pixels should be a non-issue.
post #38 of 1432
I was looking into buying the 40" xbr after deciding that it has the best picture on any TV that I have ever seen. I decided to take a walk down to the Sony Style store in NYC to take a look at the tv in a non showroom enviroment. I sat down and watched it for about 5-10 minutes and my eyes started hurting and I got a headache. It was probally due to the brightness, sharpness and punchy colors. After having the headache stay with me the rest of the night I decided against the 40"xbr and went with a 50" HP plasma instead. Also read a post here where someone had to return it due to the tv giving him constant headaches. Im sure eye sensitivity levels vary from people to people so give it a try.
post #39 of 1432
I'm getting headaches from it because of motion blur, not from brightness... to the point where I am going to wait for my 50" plasma to watch anything with motion in it. It's that bad for me, especially in the dark. If I pause it, it usually looks fine.
post #40 of 1432
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Originally Posted by jvinsepa View Post

I'm getting headaches from it because of motion blur, not from brightness... to the point where I am going to wait for my 50" plasma to watch anything with motion in it. It's that bad for me, especially in the dark. If I pause it, it usually looks fine.


I played Xbox 360 at EB the other day (they just recieved a new kiosk with game demos) and the motion blur was pretty irritating after long periods of play. Now, granted, the particular Samsung Microsoft has sent out with the 360's aren't the best quality but I can defnitiely see what you're saying about headaches induced by motion blur. It may also have something to do with being so close to such a bright and vivid display.
post #41 of 1432
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Originally Posted by jvinsepa View Post

I have this TV, but will be exchanging it within my 30-day period for a Pioneer Elite 1130HD plasma.

The reasons are that:

* I'm not satisfied with the black level (I heard that this unit, even though it is an LCD, had better black than before... that may be, but still not good enough for me)

* 40" is too small for my living room

* blurring on fast action scenes, and even some slow action scenes.

* not enough detail in dark scenes - this stems from the black level


I have read the 6gen pio threads, but would like your opinion - what do you think would be a downside of going from the kdlv40xbr1 to the pro1130hd?

If black levels are your main concern, I wouldn't go with a new Pioneer. I think Panasonic's plasmas still beat-out Pioneer pretty damn good in this regard. I've seen the Pio 4360 next to a Panny 42PX50U on a number of occassions and the Panny doesn't just edge the Pioneer out, but outdoes it rather significantly with blacks. Just my opinion.
post #42 of 1432
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Originally Posted by Yoda1 View Post

I played Xbox 360 at EB the other day (they just recieved a new kiosk with game demos) and the motion blur was pretty irritating after long periods of play. Now, granted, the particular Samsung Microsoft has sent out with the 360's aren't the best quality but I can defnitiely see what you're saying about headaches induced by motion blur. It may also have something to do with being so close to such a bright and vivid display.

I played 720p xbox games on the Samsung 23" that they use for the kiosk and the 26" Sony V26. They both have motion blur. I think the Sony has slightly less motion blur.

It's hard to say which is better for gaming. I like the 23" because the pixels are smaller, so it makes the image look sharper. It's also half the price of the Sony. I got a headache from both TVs, but I think it has to do with the brightness.
post #43 of 1432
^ Mike828
Would you suggest NOT going with an LCD for gaming?
I wanted to buy a small LCD -I was thinking of the 26XBR1.
Now I'm thinking about using my CRT Computer Monitor (w/VGA) for
my Xbox 360...

I might wait til next year and get the 37" 1080p Sharp.
It's suppose to have a 6 response time...
post #44 of 1432
Hi all. I am very much interested in buying a SONY KLV-S32A10E.
I downloaded the user manual and read that you must not connect your PC in the HDMI port of the panel, even though they allow you to connect DVI equipment to the HDMI port , using a DVI to HDMI adaptor. I have read many threads about other panels, where people describe how they successfully connected their PC using DVI to HDMI adaptorAnd others that had no luck with itThe thing is, that I want to use my HTPC as digital source, thus I have to connect it in the HDMI port. Does anyone know if there is any problem with this panel doing so? Has anyone tried to connect the PC using DVI to HDMI cable with the SONY KLV-S32A10E ?

I am using an Ati Radeon x700 Pro.

What also troubles me is that I have read that connecting a video card like Ati Radeon x700 pciex , to a LCD tv through HDMI using DVI to HDMI adapter, will produce NO IMAGE, because the DVI output of the Ati is DVI-I , and the HDMI input can be combined only with DVI-D outputIs this true?
post #45 of 1432
I think it's because the DVI port on PCs is not HDCP compliant.
post #46 of 1432
I think that ATI with the latest drivers made their cards HDCP compilant.
post #47 of 1432
Guys... I'm new to the whole LCD thing (Have always had plasmas)..... the thing I noticed is that you all have your "picture" setting WAY high... in the Plasma world you would never do that. Is this common to how most people here set their LCD panels?

Thanks.
post #48 of 1432
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Originally Posted by jvinsepa View Post

I think it's because the DVI port on PCs is not HDCP compliant.

I don't think the display should care whether the source is HDCP or not. It is an HDCP source which cares that the display is HDCP compliant. I guess any yahoo can design something poorly, but all the HDCP compliant displays I've seen work with HDCP and non-HDCP sources over DVI.
post #49 of 1432
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Originally Posted by helvetica bold View Post

^ Mike828
Would you suggest NOT going with an LCD for gaming?
I wanted to buy a small LCD -I was thinking of the 26XBR1.
Now I'm thinking about using my CRT Computer Monitor (w/VGA) for
my Xbox 360...

I might wait til next year and get the 37" 1080p Sharp.
It's suppose to have a 6 response time...


I would still recommend an LCD for xbox 360. I had the 26XBR1 and returned it. The blurring was very similar to blurring on the 23" Samsung LCD. The Sony was a great TV, but cost twice as much. So, I decided to get the 23" Samsung.

Before I bought the 23" Samsung LCD, I bought a 26" Samsung HDTV CRT. It didn't have any blurring problems, but it didn't have enough resolution either. Someone told me that it had a resolution of 800x1080. I know that isn't 16x9, but I guess CRT TVs have odd resolutions sometimes. I think the highest resolution CRT TV is one of the Sonys. It has a resolution of 1400x1080.

720p games on the CRT didn't look that sharp.

If you don't mind waiting, that's the best thing to do. LCDs will only get better in time. But, I wouldn't recommend a 1080p display for xbox 360. Upscaled 720p to 1080p won't look as good as 1280x720 on a 720p TV.
post #50 of 1432
Thread Starter 
Does anybody expect to get a 360 at launch and plan on using it with this set? I preordered from Gamestop on June 14th. I hope I am getting one, but it still has not been confirmed yet.
post #51 of 1432
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Originally Posted by DFul4d View Post

Does anybody expect to get a 360 at launch and plan on using it with this set? I preordered from Gamestop on June 14th. I hope I am getting one, but it still has not been confirmed yet.


I just purchased the 32" XBR version last week and am getting an XBOX 360 in a couple of weeks. I can't wait!
post #52 of 1432
Damn guys, these decisions are hard to make!

I was almost set on buying the 40xbr but then got worried mainly about the contrast ratio, and the ghosting if the response time isn't fast enough. My other option is the Panasonic TH42PX500 HD plasma. Comparing the 2 in the store, the Sony has a much sharper, crisper, brighter image. But in the store they don't show any really dark scenes or any really fast moving scenes. I was reading stuff about the 'real world' contrast ratio of the plasmas, how they're actually much lower... but people still seem to say they are better for dark scenes and have a deeper black.

I can't decide

Any advice?
post #53 of 1432
Response time: go to the store at a time that a football game is being broadcast, and ask them to put it on. The local Circuit City has a habit of putting on the NFL on Sundays.

Dark scene performance: bring a DVD with dark scenes, and ask the store to put it in.
post #54 of 1432
Thread Starter 
Mr Toronto,

I was considering the same two sets and I went with the Sony. I have no regrets at all. The Sony has great shadow detail and the set has so much adjustability that you can get very deep blacks. Motion blur is not a concern at all for watching hdtv. No problems with NFL or even NASCAR.
post #55 of 1432
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Originally Posted by DFul4d View Post

Mr Toronto,

I was considering the same two sets and I went with the Sony. I have no regrets at all. The Sony has great shadow detail and the set has so much adjustability that you can get very deep blacks. Motion blur is not a concern at all for watching hdtv. No problems with NFL or even NASCAR.

Thanks for the response DFul4d! It all depends on personal preference I guess. Someone in this forum said it gave him headaches. It's hard to find a store out there with both of these that will let me test out my own DVD on it. This store Futureshop (owned by Best Buy) here in Canada has all their sets hooked up to some master video processor so they won't let me play around with it.

The Sony has such a crisp picture though, I love it. Today Bestbuy lowered their price by a significant amount on the Panasonic set. I don't think I'm allowed to give any $ figures here. But yesterday they were both the same price on bestbuy.ca

Why did you go with the Sony if you don't mind me asking? Based on your impressions in the store? Was there anything you didn't like about the Panasonic specifically?

Any info is appreciated.

Thanks!
post #56 of 1432
I have been considering the 42" commercial Panasonic plasma, TH-42PHD8UK, and the 40" XBR. I saw this past Sunday's Seattle-StLouis football game, and there was no motion blur, artifacts on the XBR. At least not that I saw (and I have seen it before) at Magnolia HiFi.

The only way to find out is to buy one locally from CircuitCity or BestBuy and use the free trial period. Wonder my wife's reaction when she sees a 40" Bravia and a 42" Panny... if I can find them in stock.
post #57 of 1432
I wonder how easily you can return a tv like this to Best Buy? They don't resist trying to return something like a dvd player... but when you try to return a tv worth several thousand dollars... I wonder if they will be so easy going.

Any experiences?
post #58 of 1432
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Originally Posted by MrToronto View Post

...Comparing the 2 in the store, the Sony has a much sharper, crisper, brighter image....

I agree, and viewed the Sony alongside the Panasonic plasma in both BestBuy and Circuit City. Both of those stores had a demo signal that showed a Notre Dame football player running down the field. On the Sony, the gold helmet left a tracer line across the green of the field, where the plasma did not. Also, in the same scene, they show the 4:3 "standard" vs. the 16:9 high def screen by blacking out a portion of the screen. On the Sony, this area was dark gray, and not at all black, as in the plasma.

I thought the Sony had the best picture of the size group from all other aspects, but can anyone that is using one now tell me if this relates to their normal viewing of DVDs and TV programming? Would it be annoying for watching sports and movies, which is one of the main aspects for which my TV will be used?
post #59 of 1432
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Originally Posted by Jim Hef View Post

On the Sony, the gold helmet left a tracer line across the green of the field, where the plasma did not. Also, in the same scene, they show the 4:3 "standard" vs. the 16:9 high def screen by blacking out a portion of the screen. On the Sony, this area was dark gray, and not at all black, as in the plasma.

Hrmm interesting. The gold helmed left a 'tracer' on the screen? You mean like ghosting effect where hte pixels didnt change quick enough? If so, that's pretty bad.

I'de also like to know if the blacks are bothersome.
post #60 of 1432
Thread Starter 
Toronto-

You won't see any ghosting on the XBR. I went with the Sony because my room has some windows and I did not want to be bothered by the glare from the Plasma glass. I also plan on using the set as a computer monitor and I will be doing a lot of Xbox 360 gaming on it and I did not want to have to worry about burn in at all. The plasmas blacks are a little better, but I think the super vivid colors of the Sony more than make up for the difference.
DVDs look incredible on this set and I am using a cheap DVD player. I watch a movie almost every night in the dark and through my settings I have found an acceptable black level for me. I can post them if you are interested.
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