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I have a feeling that B&O is a more reliable partner than PP. Not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if Xd gets switched over to ICEpower when the next version is built.
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Of course, only that thin lacquer coating is an insignificant dielectric. Also, there is this little tidbit I read off some transformer company white paper. The writer says what we are all use to hearing from every copper cable maker out there, that they use 99. yadayada % pure copper. A picture is show of stacks of raw copper sheets.

Now here is the heresy. The writer says, to promote better conductivity they "INFUSE an exacting amount of OXYGEN into the copper, before drawing the wire.

Now, I am not saying this is good or bad. It just shows there is more to making magnet wires that one may suppose.

here is a couple of tidbits, I have seen the inside of many a transformer, its just regular cooper soaking in mineral oil, hell most distribution transformers went to amorphous cores(mixture of metals, like an amalgrum) over a decade ago, it saves them money
post #303 of 357
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PSAudio's new Trio A-100 stereo power amp is interesting and at $995 not too expensive

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PSAudio's new Trio A-100 stereo power amp is interesting and at $995 not too expensive

Last time I spoke with Paul McGowen of PS Audio (over a year ago), he mentioned they were using a modified version of the B&O Icepower modules. Does anyone know if this is still the case?
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They (PSAudio) are listed on B&O site if thats any indication
post #306 of 357
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They (PSAudio) are listed on B&O site if thats any indication

Yes, but isn't this a new line of amplifiers? I don't see the Trio A-100 listed on B&Os site.
post #307 of 357
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I know. i guess only PSAudio can tell us (maybe you can catch up with Paul )


edit: doh! it says there on the Trio page

"The Trio A-100 stereo power amplifier is a 300 watt per channel kick butt high-end power amplifier that's affordable and great sounding. Based on cool running ICE technology, the Trio is a dual mono design with separate regulated power supplies."
post #308 of 357
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hmm... TAS classifies Carver as class-D (300.2, 700.2, 1200.2 amps)
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post #310 of 357
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UcD and ICE comparison at diyaudio

The part of the thread you are linking to was from February 2005. Even so, the comparison is still probably valid. The ICE modules might be more appealing to someone who prefers the softer high end of tubes and the UCD amps might offer a more accurate presentation. However, a few things have changed with the UCD amps since then. We've learned that with a few strategic modifications they can be improved even more. There have also been some interesting improvements with switching power supplies since then. If you read the full diyaudio thread, you will see a few references to this.
post #311 of 357
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does anyone know if the Gilmore amps are ICEPowered, or a proprietary tech?

Gregg, on a side note - will you be able to make a soundcard with HDMI input AND output so we can take advantage of Vista's room EQ processing?
post #312 of 357
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does anyone know if the Gilmore amps are ICEPowered, or a proprietary tech?

Gregg, on a side note - will you be able to make a soundcard with HDMI input AND output so we can take advantage of Vista's room EQ processing?

We are looking into this. HDMI input makes sense for compatibility with external STBs, but I'm not sure why someone would need HDMI output. Our device has the amps built-in. Why would you need to output a digital signal to another device for decoding and amplification if that is the purpose of our product? I'm also assuming there would be a separate HDMI connection from the video card to the HD monitor.

In our setup, you would have FireWire between the PC and our product. HDMI between something like a PS3 and our product, and HDMI between the video card and the HD monitor.
post #313 of 357
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not for decoding, but i'd like to feed a EQ'd multichannel LPCM to, say for example a Panasonic XR57and never have the signal go into analog - course if your amp does PCM > PWM this is moot. I know a lot of people don't believe in digitally controlled class-D but I like my panny
post #314 of 357
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New Sony S-Master TA-FA1200ES



with 4 digital inputs 3 coax + 1 optical and 1 optical out

110W into 8 Ohms at 0.7%THD, 1kHz
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Murano Audio out of Taiwan are making slick looking ICEPowered boxes



~1K for a pair of 1000W monoblocs
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post #317 of 357
Onkyo A-9555 seems to be quite affordable, comparing to the rest of the amps in the list. Does anyone know whats so special about Onkyo's class-D, in comparison to others? How does it compares?

Here is their explaination of their amplification technology:

http://www.eu.onkyo.com/article/article_en_1893452.html
post #318 of 357
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... to further improve the precision of amplifiers, we've had to push even further. Our response is a highly accurate analogue-to-digital conversion circuitVL Digitalthat is unaffected by noise in the analogue signal.

seems like the VL-digital circuit is a A/D converter - then the digital signal gets converted to PWM? i dunno... maybe it's like what TI does in the equibit
post #319 of 357
why has digital amplification not caught on in HT? Is there a 5+ch digital HT amp for less than 1K?

starting to research Ucd, ICEpower, T etc - interesting stuff for sure!!
post #320 of 357
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why has digital amplification not caught on in HT? Is there a 5+ch digital HT amp for less than 1K?

starting to research Ucd, ICEpower, T etc - interesting stuff for sure!!

Theta Digital has a 7.1 digital amp (true PCM->PWM). Although, I'm not sure if it is shipping. Their Virtu PowerDAC is based on the technology from Zetex Semiconductors, which they refer to as Class Z. I doubt it will be priced less than $1K.
post #321 of 357
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Originally Posted by stevenassco View Post

why has digital amplification not caught on in HT? Is there a 5+ch digital HT amp for less than 1K?

starting to research Ucd, ICEpower, T etc - interesting stuff for sure!!


Because the technology is evolving..
Class D amplifier solutions introduced last year have already undergone significant updates. These updates have included improved FETs, output filters, modulators and switching power supplies..

Like in other CE categories..
Such as video displays, storage, loudspeakers..
As the market demands smaller footprints, and decreased costs..
Class D solutions will increase in market share....
post #322 of 357
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Sony new S-Master amp TA-F501


Onkyo new VL-Digital A-973
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Stereomojo's 2007 Class-D shootout results
post #324 of 357
just noticed that the Cary Audio class D did well in the power amp comparison. What technology does it use?
post #325 of 357
In case anyone wants to know........

We are now at "dot net" instead of "dot com". Long story.......don't ask.

Working on some new stuff. In between sorting out the horror of changing domain names.......
post #326 of 357
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d-sonic

Among others - ICEPower stereo and mono poweramps

MAGNUM 1250-7
3 X 250W / 8Ω 3 front channels
4 x 125W / 8Ω side and rear channels
Weight: 43 lbs
Price: $2475
post #327 of 357
I don't have any practical experience, but I have found the Trends Audio TA-10.1, which is a 15W stereo amp based on Tripath I believe.

Trends Audio
post #328 of 357
"why has digital amplification not caught on in HT? Is there a 5+ch digital HT amp for less than 1K?"

the single most important factor is the availability of power electronics (Mosfet switchers), associated driver circuitry, and well as DSP for certain models.

the concept of pwm amplification has been around for a long time, and actually predates the lin-topology used in most of today's analog amps (class b). but until we have gotten efficient switchers, we couldn't run them at high enough of an efficiency, and low enough of dead time to produce quality amplifiers.

in that sense, the proliferation of PC prompted heavy investment in switching power electronics, which gives the side product of pwm amps.
post #329 of 357
http://www.naim-audio.com is another one with apparently lots of Class D offerings. Looks expensive though

In the USA, http://www.naimusa.com
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