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post #1171 of 1188
12/2/07 at 4:00pm
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Originally Posted by pgg View Post

I have a MSI-K8NGM2-NBP motherboard with the Nvidia 6150 chipset that I want to use to make a simple network media player (mostly to playback DVD .iso files over our home network). Two questions -

First, this thread has mentioned, in a couple places, that the pinout for MSI's SPDIF bracket is wrong and needs to be tweaked. I didn't get a SPDIF bracket with the board, so I'm looking for one. (The MSI employee email cited earlier in this thread now bounces.) Anyone know if this MSI SPDIF bracket is compatible with this motherboard? Looks nice, since it has both coaxial and optical connectors on it.

Second, the intended display device is a Sony 24XBR910 HDTV. This motherboard has a DVI-out for the onboard video. Can I expect any problems with simply connecting it to my TV with an ordinary DVI cable?

Thanks.

Boy oh boy! This takes me back two years ago to when I installed this MB into my den HTPC. It's been there ever since; I upgraded it to a dual core Opteron at least a year ago.

1 - SPDIF out:
Anyway, I was part of the back and forth about this connector/ bracket etc. I simply made up a cable by splicing an RCA jack cable to a (I think) CD-ROM audio cable. I think I had to re-jigger the wiring in the CD-ROm connetor and cut off some plastic keying parts. If you are reasonably handy you can do the same, look back two years in this thread, search on my user name.

I don't think the bracket you linked will work because it also has an optical output. I THINK those brackets require +5V on the MB mating connector to drive the optical transmitter. The MSI MB conector only has SPDIF-Out, GND and NC. NC means No Connect, there is NO signal connected to this pin.

You really can't tell how many pins the connector in the link has. If it has more than three, it probably won't work w/o rewiring it. If you need to rewire it anyway, see the 2-year old stuff about making the cable.

I just bought a Foxconn version of this MB for $20 (after MIR) from Newegg. Has a similar connector.

2 - DVI. I feed my old Sony CRT RPTV via the DVI from this MB.

Good luck.
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post #1172 of 1188
12/2/07 at 4:34pm
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Originally Posted by vkristof View Post

Boy oh boy! This takes me back two years ago to when I installed this MB into my den HTPC. It's been there ever since; I upgraded it to a dual core Opteron at least a year ago.

The CPU I've got for this thing is an old Athlon 64 3500, but that ought to be fine for DVD playback over my network.

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Originally Posted by vkristof View Post

I don't think the bracket you linked will work because it also has an optical output.

It's OK if the optical out doesn't work; my receiver's only free input is a coaxial one anyway. Do you think the coaxial connector on that part will work? I guess in the worst case I could cannibalize the part and make my own the way you described.

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2 - DVI. I feed my old Sony CRT RPTV via the DVI from this MB.

Great, just what I wanted to hear. Any issues with getting a good picture out of it, or did it "just work" right away?
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post #1173 of 1188
12/2/07 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by pgg View Post

The CPU I've got for this thing is an old Athlon 64 3500, but that ought to be fine for DVD playback over my network.



It's OK if the optical out doesn't work; my receiver's only free input is a coaxial one anyway. Do you think the coaxial connector on that part will work? I guess in the worst case I could cannibalize the part and make my own the way you described.



Great, just what I wanted to hear. Any issues with getting a good picture out of it, or did it "just work" right away?

WRT the bracket, if the cable doesn't fit into your MB, you've a got a problem right off the bat. AND since the bracket is adverstised as having two other analog jacks, it will have more than 3-pins.

DVI - You might have to play with the overscan adjustment if you have a CRT based monitor (don't know what your Sony is). nVidia has changed where this adjustment is and whether it defaults to auto or manual, etc over the years. And the last PC I added to my old Sony was a Vista box with an ATI/AMD card which has totally diffrent controls for adjusting the overscan.
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post #1174 of 1188
12/3/07 at 12:30am
Hi there

After using the coaxial SPDIF connector on my ASUS 6150 MB for a long time, I realized that PC noises could be heard from the speakers. Moving a window on the desktop caused a faint scratching sound. Network packets made clicking noises. Yesterday I switched to an optical connection to the AV processor, and all is quiet.

The ASUS (and Foxconn) 6150 MBs allow a 2-pin coax RCA jack (ground plus signal) or a a 3-pin TOSLINK optical transmitter (ground, signal and +5 volts). I built my own TOSLINK bracket assembly using a Toshiba TOTX 177 transmitter. The MBs have a 4-position connector, but only 3 of the 4 pins are used.

I also installed the latest Nvidia drivers, 163.75, with excellent results.

Regards
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post #1175 of 1188
12/3/07 at 6:09am
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Originally Posted by blue_z View Post

Hi there

After using the coaxial SPDIF connector on my ASUS 6150 MB for a long time, I realized that PC noises could be heard from the speakers. Moving a window on the desktop caused a faint scratching sound. Network packets made clicking noises. Yesterday I switched to an optical connection to the AV processor, and all is quiet.

The ASUS (and Foxconn) 6150 MBs allow a 2-pin coax RCA jack (ground plus signal) or a a 3-pin TOSLINK optical transmitter (ground, signal and +5 volts). I built my own TOSLINK bracket assembly using a Toshiba TOTX 177 transmitter. The MBs have a 4-position connector, but only 3 of the 4 pins are used.

I also installed the latest Nvidia drivers, 163.75, with excellent results.

Regards

Looks like you have a ground problem. even moving to optical may eliminate the noise but you will still have noise in your system that can cause instability. I'm suggesting to look for poor grounds or ground loop. If you can, use the same wall outlet for your AMP your HTPC. Check the ground for this outlet at the source & at the end. Good grounds are essencial if you expect log life of your components!

On a other subject, I had problem with the latest drivers (163.75) playing DVD's. Shreck 2 was crashing on the main menu and I had subtitles even if I asked none... strange....

Charles
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post #1176 of 1188
12/21/07 at 12:29am
Hey Guys,

Well my old mobo died on me in my htpc (might have to do with me stepping on it) Any how,

I bought the ASUS M2NBP-VM mother board. It has the 6150 onboard video. Now i know this works in mce 2005 cause well its what i was running before. Yet somehow im getting an error stating that my video card isnt supported in MCE2005... Im using the latest drivers from nvidia
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post #1177 of 1188
12/21/07 at 4:36am
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Originally Posted by Schwyl View Post

Hey Guys,

Well my old mobo died on me in my htpc (might have to do with me stepping on it) Any how,

I bought the ASUS M2NBP-VM mother board. It has the 6150 onboard video. Now i know this works in mce 2005 cause well its what i was running before. Yet somehow im getting an error stating that my video card isnt supported in MCE2005... Im using the latest drivers from nvidia


Schwyl,

On business platform you have the NV210 graphic chip witch is very similar to the 6150. Try the drivers that came with your board. If still doesn't work then I don't think it will ever work. I'm speaking for my self, I have 2 MSI boards K8N, one is FID and the other is NBP, and they use different drivers set also the NBP is slower even with an X2 CPU.

Did you try to find the same board you had on ebay?

Good luck

Charles
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post #1178 of 1188
12/21/07 at 8:09am
Man this sux. I specifically requested a mobo with the 6150 chipset to be used in MCE 2005... *SIgh*

UPDATE: Dec 22/o7

Well i guess the guy who sold me the mobo knew what he was selling me. Anyhow what i did was uninstall.... RADMIN 3.0 and voila the problem is gone. Some how RADMIN screw up something that mce needs.

either way its all good.


o just to add 1080p play back is as smooth as can be with using an AMD x2 6000 this mobo with only the onboard video and 2gb ram with playback over a gigabit network
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post #1179 of 1188
1/23/08 at 10:52am
I'm having a performance issue with my 6150 motherboard. I own a 6150B (Nvidias Business Platform) with the 430 southbridge FOXCONN WINFAST 6150BK8MC-KRSH. It has a 3500+ 2.2GHz AMD64 processor and 256+512GB of 64bit single channel DDR266 ram. My OS is XPx64

I am trying to play WarcraftIII on this machine, and while I know integrated graphics are not for gaming, here are the RECOMMENDED system requirements for WCIII:
* 600 MHz processor or better
* 256 MB of RAM
* 32 MB 3D Video card
Obviously my system well exceeds these recommendations, however I cannot get the game to run smoothly on even the lowest resolution and quality settings.

Most of this system was built from an old Dell I had laying around. I used my old CPU from my main rig and bought the new motherboard. The ram,psu,hdd,dvd drive all came from the dell.

I've ran memtest86 and other burn in programs and the system is stable and does not overheat during full system load.

I'm thinking that my performance issue is from one of 3 sources:

Source 1 Drivers-Since I got a 6150B chipset I can install an image from http://www.nvidia.com/page/nbp_download.html
This is the compete driver package for the entire computer, not a single other driver need be installed. I tried to install the normal nForce and GForce drivers but the device manager left me with an unknown device (Not audio) and I did not test game performance. Maybe I should try normal drivers?

Source 2 RAM-The ram in this computer is terrible. Not dual channel, not DDR400, not 128bit, and the sticks are mismatched. One is a 512@DDR266 the other is 256@DDR333.

Source 3 PSU-The PSU I used from the old dell is only 280W, it only has a 20pin power connector and the motherboard uses 24pin. However, in the manual it shows how to position a 20pin connector so I assume that wouldn't be a problem. I also feel like 280W is enough for a 3500+, 2 sticks of ram, 1hdd, 1 optical drive, and 3 system fans (2 case 1 CPU) I have no PCI/PCIe add in cards.

I guess source 4 could be the graphics, but I feel like what I have should be good enough.

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.
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post #1180 of 1188
1/23/08 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by Smitty2k1 View Post

I'm having a performance issue with my 6150 motherboard. I own a 6150B (Nvidias Business Platform) with the 430 southbridge FOXCONN WINFAST 6150BK8MC-KRSH. It has a 3500+ 2.2GHz AMD64 processor and 256+512GB of 64bit single channel DDR266 ram. My OS is XPx64

SEVERAL issues I see here right off the bat....

1.) your running two different sized memory chips. This is a dual channel mother board, so it is looking for two of the same sized memory chips, so that it can take advantage of the dual channel memory configuration.

2.) your running a 64bit operating system. There is absolutely NO need for 64 bit OS.

3.) your trying to play a 3d game with a mobo that doesn't have the 3D acceleration, the business platform of the 6100/6150 mobo's DO NOT support 3d acceleration. Also when a game manufacture lists the minimum specs for a video game use the power of 3 figure for it. If it says 600mhz cpu multiply that by three, same with RAM, and video card. It is pretty much an un-written rule that whatever the video game manufacture lists for minimum specs you multiply them by 3 to get the real minimum specs you'd need. Your best bet would be to go out and get a pci express dedicated video card, I bet you can pick up a cheap Nvidia 6600GT these days and that would be more then enough to support the game.

4.) your playing WOW

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I guess source 4 could be the graphics, but I feel like what I have should be good enough.

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.

Nope and Nope, I've got 4 6150 mobo's in my house, two were converted to servers, because of the video chipset limitations. The other two now have dedicated video cards in them because of the video card limitations. Trust me when I say that the 6150 is NOT capable of 3d gaming.

- Josh
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post #1181 of 1188
1/23/08 at 7:28pm
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Originally Posted by umdivx View Post

SEVERAL issues I see here right off the bat....

1.) your running two different sized memory chips. This is a dual channel mother board, so it is looking for two of the same sized memory chips, so that it can take advantage of the dual channel memory configuration.

2.) your running a 64bit operating system. There is absolutely NO need for 64 bit OS.

3.) your trying to play a 3d game with a mobo that doesn't have the 3D acceleration, the business platform of the 6100/6150 mobo's DO NOT support 3d acceleration. Also when a game manufacture lists the minimum specs for a video game use the power of 3 figure for it. If it says 600mhz cpu multiply that by three, same with RAM, and video card. It is pretty much an un-written rule that whatever the video game manufacture lists for minimum specs you multiply them by 3 to get the real minimum specs you'd need. Your best bet would be to go out and get a pci express dedicated video card, I bet you can pick up a cheap Nvidia 6600GT these days and that would be more then enough to support the game.

4.) your playing WOW



Nope and Nope, I've got 4 6150 mobo's in my house, two were converted to servers, because of the video chipset limitations. The other two now have dedicated video cards in them because of the video card limitations. Trust me when I say that the 6150 is NOT capable of 3d gaming.

- Josh

So it is just the business version of the 6150's that don't do 3d acceleration? Or do all 6150's not do 3d acceleration?

My motherboard's manual has a ram configuration for non-dual channel ram, so it is not looking for dual channel. While using the same size stick is always good, I've tested with both sticks individually and the pair performs better.

What I gave you was not the minimum specification it was the recommended specification, and if your "power of 3" rule has any truth to it, I am still ahead of the game. 2.2GHz CPU is more than the power of 3 (Which is really a multiple of 3)'s 1.8GHz CPU. 756MB of ram is exactly 3 times greater than the recommended 256GB of ram. The integrated graphics are 128MB I believe while the recommended is only 32MB.

And lastly I said WarcraftIII not WoW. My roommate plays WoW and it has ruined his life.

I'm a tad bit upset if all the non-business 6150's do 3d acceleration.
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post #1182 of 1188
1/23/08 at 8:54pm
I've got the non-business 6150's and trust me they DO NOT do 3d gaming. They say they can, but honestly they can't. They really can't even support smooth playback of 720p or 1080i HD video.

- Josh
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post #1183 of 1188
1/23/08 at 9:19pm
Thanks Josh. Can you comment on any other differences between the business and non-business versions? For your business versions do you use the recommended stable image installation or do you use the most recent standalone nForce and GForce drivers? I am picking up a 6600gt now that I see how cheap they are on EBAY. I used one on my main rig until about a year ago when I upgraded it to a passively cooled 7600GT with HDCP. Too bad I sold it.
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post #1184 of 1188
1/24/08 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by Smitty2k1 View Post

Source 2 RAM-The ram in this computer is terrible. Not dual channel, not DDR400, not 128bit, and the sticks are mismatched. One is a 512@DDR266 the other is 256@DDR333.

Hi there

IMO the slow memory is crippling performance. It's running in single channel mode, even though the system is capable of dual channel. On top of that slow memory modules are installed. The memory is a bottleneck that all data has to go through, and instead of optimizing it, this PC is degraded for lower performance.

Use memtest86+ to measure the memory throughput. With dual channel, DDR400 (3-3-3-8) memory modules, memory throughput should be about 2000 MB per sec with that MB and processor. The L1 cache will probably be about 17000 MB/s and L2 cache about 4000 MB/s.

A new video card would help a little, since the the 6150 would no longer be hampered by the slow memory. But the CPU will still be affected.

Regards
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post #1185 of 1188
2/27/08 at 9:53am
I agree with umdivx, I have the Foxconn 6150BK8MC-KRSH mobo with a Athlon64 X2 3800+, 1 G PC3200 ram, and while the 720p HD output (via VGA) to my VX37L LCD TV is pretty nice, I get tearing with fast motion scenes. I can't imagine the CPU is limiting, so I figure the 6150B chipset doesn't have enough juice. Using the 169.21 Forceware. Haven't got off my ass yet to try a better video card......
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post #1186 of 1188
10/18/08 at 11:16pm
Folks,

I recently upgraded my living room to an LG Plasma 50PG100R with 720p and HDMI input. My PC is using aN MSI 7207 / K8NGM2-FID with latest BIOS v3.6, XP Prof. SP3 and latest nvidia reference drivers 15.24. Main display is an old 19-inch CRT via VGA.

Now if I try to connect the PC to the Plasma using the DVI-D output of the board and the HDMI input of the Plasma with a DVI-D-to-HDMI-cable (15m, 45 ft.), the PC recognizes the Plasma display (LG...?). But if I switch nview to the Plasma, the Plasma stills says "no signal". (Yes I did change the Plasma input to HDMI...). I tried various resolutions and BIOS settings without any luck.

Do you have any hints on this?

Can this be related to HDCP not implemented properly with nvidia drivers?
I wasn't trying to watch any Blu Ray stuff or so, just the windows desktop.

thank you....
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post #1187 of 1188
10/19/08 at 11:09am
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Originally Posted by Smitty2k1 View Post

I'm having a performance issue with my 6150 motherboard. I own a 6150B (Nvidias Business Platform) with the 430 southbridge FOXCONN WINFAST 6150BK8MC-KRSH. It has a 3500+ 2.2GHz AMD64 processor and 256+512GB of 64bit single channel DDR266 ram. My OS is XPx64

I am trying to play WarcraftIII on this machine, and while I know integrated graphics are not for gaming, here are the RECOMMENDED system requirements for WCIII:
* 600 MHz processor or better
* 256 MB of RAM
* 32 MB 3D Video card
Obviously my system well exceeds these recommendations, however I cannot get the game to run smoothly on even the lowest resolution and quality settings.

Most of this system was built from an old Dell I had laying around. I used my old CPU from my main rig and bought the new motherboard. The ram,psu,hdd,dvd drive all came from the dell.

I've ran memtest86 and other burn in programs and the system is stable and does not overheat during full system load.

I'm thinking that my performance issue is from one of 3 sources:

Source 1 Drivers-Since I got a 6150B chipset I can install an image from http://www.nvidia.com/page/nbp_download.html
This is the compete driver package for the entire computer, not a single other driver need be installed. I tried to install the normal nForce and GForce drivers but the device manager left me with an unknown device (Not audio) and I did not test game performance. Maybe I should try normal drivers?

Source 2 RAM-The ram in this computer is terrible. Not dual channel, not DDR400, not 128bit, and the sticks are mismatched. One is a 512@DDR266 the other is 256@DDR333.

Source 3 PSU-The PSU I used from the old dell is only 280W, it only has a 20pin power connector and the motherboard uses 24pin. However, in the manual it shows how to position a 20pin connector so I assume that wouldn't be a problem. I also feel like 280W is enough for a 3500+, 2 sticks of ram, 1hdd, 1 optical drive, and 3 system fans (2 case 1 CPU) I have no PCI/PCIe add in cards.

I guess source 4 could be the graphics, but I feel like what I have should be good enough.

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.

I set up four of these, and they work fine under Vista x64 when equipped with good memory and discrete graphics. IMO the onboard video is only suitable for non-graphics-intensive use like word processing and Web surfing.
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post #1188 of 1188
1/23/10 at 4:07am
Hi everyone

Have not posted here in a while. MY HTPC has been working great for a long time but I do have a new problem, I think due to an upgrade.

We installed Win 7 on this machine and upgraded to a new version of Theatertek. It is working fine but I can not figure out why I am not getting Dolby Digital anymore. Searched and did not see anything as well.

Output is using the digital RCA to the same on my receiver. The receiver is set to this and I do have sound but no Dolby digital.

Any ideas?
Thx
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