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post #1501 of 2653
7/9/06 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by rplayle View Post

Hi All,
I have a Panny Pt56WXF95 which only excepts component (displays 1080i and 720p) so will not be using hdmi for a few years (and who knows what hdmi will look like by then !)
the cable box is Moto DCT6400 HD (conponent), DVD is 480P (component) and the HTPC puts out 720P (component) all the audio inputs will be optical.
I am probably getting Axiom 2xM60s, EP350 and 2xQS8s. hopefully this will be a good choice as I've not heard them.
All this being said, is there any advantage in buying a 2600 over the 1600
I'm also concerned that the OSD may not work properly over component in/out. is the GUI OSD significantly better on the 2600 ?
I was also considering the v659 as It seems to have most of the features I want but I read that the Sq is not that good.

Sorry, forgot to mention (newbie !) I'm not looking for future proofing as I will upgrade the amp when I eventually change the TV to something that excepts hdmi +++
any help would be much appreciated, thanks
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post #1502 of 2653
7/9/06 at 9:28am
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Originally Posted by HansZomers View Post

...To my big surprise it says that the 2600 seams to be missing the "Multi-Channel PCM (HDMI Input)" feature. (or hopefully only in the Pure Direct modus)

Does anybody managed to produce multi channel 24bit/96khz DVD Audio sound via HDMI?

I have 1600 and with no any problems can listen multi-channel 24bit/96khz DVD-Audio from S97 over HDMI.

Unfortunately, HDMI input doesn't work in Pure Direct mode on my receiver. But according to the manual 2600 has to support HDMI in Pure Direct as well.

Please, check it when you will get 2600 and let me know if it's true.

Greetings from Moscow!
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post #1503 of 2653
7/10/06 at 1:29am
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Originally Posted by SNick View Post

I have 1600 and with no any problems can listen multi-channel 24bit/96khz DVD-Audio from S97 over HDMI.

Unfortunately, HDMI input doesn't work in Pure Direct mode on my receiver. But according to the manual 2600 has to support HDMI in Pure Direct as well.

Please, check it when you will get 2600 and let me know if it's true.

Greetings from Moscow!

Thanx for your reply. I'm glad to hear, that it's just the direct modus that doesn't output HDMI multichannel sound. Some find the direct modus more true to the original meaning of the musician. But because this modus bypasses the nice speaker calibration, it isn't in most cases.
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post #1504 of 2653
7/10/06 at 3:28am
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Originally Posted by HansZomers View Post

Some find the direct modus more true to the original meaning of the musician. But because this modus bypasses the nice speaker calibration, it isn't in most cases.

YPAO is nice thing but unfortunately one will restrict frequency response by 20kHz in comparison with 100kHz in Pure Direct. I guess it's quite important for DVD-Audio.
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7/10/06 at 5:19am
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Originally Posted by SNick View Post

YPAO is nice thing but unfortunately one will restrict frequency response by 20kHz in comparison with 100kHz in Pure Direct. I guess it's quite important for DVD-Audio.

Greetings to Moscow!
I expected that it couldn't equalize above 20khz. Are you certain that it actually cuts off frequencys above 20khz? That would be kind of brute.
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post #1506 of 2653
7/10/06 at 5:51am
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Originally Posted by HansZomers View Post

Are you certain that it actually cuts off frequencys above 20khz?

Of course! Any digital signal processing requires restriction of frequency response. For example, you can look at tone control chart and will have seen that frequencies above 20 kHz will be cut off.

There is only one exception - Pure Direct.

P.S. Sorry, I was unnecessary pessimistic regarding 20kHz. Now I came back at home and have checked real measurement chart in one russian magazine. Actually slope of chart starts from about 30kHz and is broken off between 40kHz and 50kHz. It's not 100kHz but more better than 20kHz.
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post #1507 of 2653
7/10/06 at 1:07pm
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Originally Posted by superman View Post

This receiver produces lots of heat (i can fry an egg very easily on this unit) - I own a Denon 3802 .. and it does not produce as much heat as this receiver. I guess this is normal?

Thanks


Same question. I think I'm going to buy an external 120mm fan to place on top of the vent. Should it blow in or out? Anyone know?
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post #1508 of 2653
7/10/06 at 2:19pm
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Originally Posted by hengy View Post

Same question. I think I'm going to buy an external 120mm fan to place on top of the vent. Should it blow in or out? Anyone know?

Set it up to pull the heat out.
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post #1509 of 2653
7/10/06 at 3:40pm
I've seen a lot of posts about the heat production of the yamaha's. I personally wouldn't be bothered by that. There's no way you can tell by sensing whether its to hot or not. It is totally design dependent. The end transistors won't melt until 150 deg internal temp. So there's no saying whether 40, 50 or 60 deg is still ok. I'm certain your hand says 60 is too much. But that's not very scientific. The yamaha's will turn its own fan on, at a certain temp. And even turn itself completely off at a critical point. If neither of those thing happen, its completely OK. In the first case I my self find the fan a bit to noisy, but it has never turned its self on. (I tested in the continuous mode).
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7/10/06 at 3:50pm
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Originally Posted by SNick View Post

Actually slope of chart starts from about 30kHz and is broken off between 40kHz and 50kHz. It's not 100kHz but more better than 20kHz.

Thanx for digging into it. I guess that's high enough. In some way I beleive it's more important that sampling is more accurate, than that the frequencys are higher. Because where the hack is the rule freq is 1/2 sample rate based on? Anyway we can at least say that at 20khz this is really improved. And that the sampled curve is much more like the real one.
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post #1511 of 2653
7/10/06 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by hengy View Post

Same question. I think I'm going to buy an external 120mm fan to place on top of the vent. Should it blow in or out? Anyone know?

Did you try turning the fan on at start-up, in the main menu? The fan with continuously run as long as the unit is on. This helped with the heat coming from mine. I can't really hear it. Maybe because I like to play my movies loud.
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post #1512 of 2653
7/11/06 at 8:01am
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Originally Posted by hengy View Post

Same question. I think I'm going to buy an external 120mm fan to place on top of the vent. Should it blow in or out? Anyone know?


Hengy....I have a small RS fan on top of my 2600 blowing into the unit and it keeps it MUCH cooler....John
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post #1513 of 2653
7/11/06 at 9:10am
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Originally Posted by HansZomers View Post

I've been searching a long time for the RS232 control software: RcvMgr2600.v1.0.exe.
But it seems to be removed from de Yamaha website. I also would like to find/have the control protocol, which was also freely downloadable. I'm curious wether the EQ settings are easyer to setup with this application. Or if its possible to write my own. For those unfamilier with RS232, its just a common serial port interface. Hooking up won't cost much!

Hans did you ever find the control software? I would also like to find this so I can use my media center PC as part of my setup. On a separate note dose any body know if there is away to get into the GUI with out the remote. I bought an open box and it had the remote from the 1600. They ordered the remote but have no time frame no receiving it.
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post #1514 of 2653
7/11/06 at 4:37pm
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Originally Posted by jqualls View Post

Hengy....I have a small RS fan on top of my 2600 blowing into the unit and it keeps it MUCH cooler....John

I myself would not have a fan blowing directly into any of my electronics. Dust and other particles can damage your unit. It would be best to set it on top to suck the air through.
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post #1515 of 2653
7/11/06 at 5:10pm
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Originally Posted by beanerairways View Post

Hans did you ever find the control software? I would also like to find this so I can use my media center PC as part of my setup. On a separate note dose any body know if there is away to get into the GUI with out the remote. I bought an open box and it had the remote from the 1600. They ordered the remote but have no time frame no receiving it.

Nope, still haven't found what 'm looking for.
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post #1516 of 2653
7/11/06 at 6:00pm
I have the software if anybody wants it, just PM me your email addy and Ill send it (1.17MB file size).
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post #1517 of 2653
7/12/06 at 1:14am
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Originally Posted by MarkH View Post

I have the software if anybody wants it, just PM me your email addy and Ill send it (1.17MB file size).

Fantastic!
HansZomers at hotmail.com
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post #1518 of 2653
7/12/06 at 5:58am
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Originally Posted by loudog2 View Post

I myself would not have a fan blowing directly into any of my electronics. Dust and other particles can damage your unit. It would be best to set it on top to suck the air through.


You're probably right.....I'll turn it over and see how that works....Thanks, John
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post #1519 of 2653
7/12/06 at 2:15pm
quick question if somone can claify this for me.

I have a DVD player and Cable Box that have DVI out. I would REALLY like to use DVI -> HDMI -> 2600 since I have too many pieces that want to use component cable. I am currently outputting all my video to my tv via a HDMI to HDMI cable.

I cannot seem to get either the DVD player or the Cable Box to display video when using the DVI to HDMI cable going into the 2600. Should I be able to do this? Am I just missing a setting somewhere? From searching the thread it looked like others have been able to accomplish what I'm trying.

btw my cable box is a Time Warner SA 3250HD
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post #1520 of 2653
7/12/06 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by neomits View Post

I would REALLY like to use DVI -> HDMI -> 2600 since I have too many pieces that want to use component cable. I am currently outputting all my video to my tv via a HDMI to HDMI cable.

probably will [not] work. Probably related to same cable-box issue's most everyone is experiencing- a "universal" problem. Look through some of the HDTV Reception Hardware threads.

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Originally Posted by neomits View Post

I cannot seem to get either the DVD player or the Cable Box to display video when using the DVI to HDMI cable going into the 2600. btw my cable box is a Time Warner SA 3250HD

However, you may, or should, be able to connect cable-box to 2600 using component video, and DVD to 2600 using HDMI or component video.

I've used both SA3250HD and now (the "infamous") SA8300HD. There are known "repeater" error issues brought about when using DVI connection's, especially.

I've also read accounts where it was said that the DVI interface (on the 3250) was not activated.

We hope, before the year 2010, the big cable companies (Time Warner, Cox, etc.,...) along with Scientific Atlanta will implement the necessary firmware fixes to allow the proper full use of these devices as designed.
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post #1521 of 2653
7/12/06 at 3:23pm
thanks for the response.

The DVD player also has DVI out that I would/could use as DVI -> HDMI but the receiver doesn't seem to be picking it up. I'm still someone confused on how to set the receiver to say that DVD input video is coming from HDMI (audio is via coax). Maybe thats my problem.
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post #1522 of 2653
7/12/06 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by neomits View Post

The DVD player also has DVI out that I would/could use as DVI -> HDMI but the receiver doesn't seem to be picking it up. I'm still someone confused on how to set the receiver to say that DVD input video is coming from HDMI (audio is via coax). Maybe thats my problem.

Try, first, connecting your DVD (using DVI->to->HDMI cable) to 2600, but do [not] connect cable-box yet. See if you get video, thru-receiver, to TV (digital coax audio should not be causing any video transfer problem). If it does not work then try using component video connection.

If everything works, then, try connecting cable-box using component video. Don't use the DVI-to-HDMI connection it will not work.

You'll have to carefully read thru pages 80, 81, 82 (in the RX-V2600 manual) to understand how to properly select INPUT sources, I/O assignment and AUDIO select.
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post #1523 of 2653
7/12/06 at 7:14pm
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Originally Posted by Tom Grooms View Post

The 1600 will take 480i to 480p, the 2600 will take 480i to 480p/720p/1080i

Hi guys, I found this on Yamaha's site and I'm trying to make heads or tails of it...

http://www.yamaha.ca/av/Receivers/hd...ty/RXV2600.jsp

Would this mean that if I used an S-Video cable to connect my digital cable box to a 2600, it could then be converted to either 480p/720p/1080i through an HDMI output to an HDTV?

If so, has anyone tried this and how does it look?

Or, is digital cable already 480p? If so, I'm guessing the 2600 could still upconvert 480p to 720p/180i.
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post #1524 of 2653
7/12/06 at 8:51pm
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Hi guys, I found this on Yamaha's site and I'm trying to make heads or tails of it...

http://www.yamaha.ca/av/Receivers/hd...ty/RXV2600.jsp

Would this mean that if I used an S-Video cable to connect my digital cable box to a 2600, it could then be converted to either 480p/720p/1080i through an HDMI output to an HDTV?

If so, has anyone tried this and how does it look?

Or, is digital cable already 480p? If so, I'm guessing the 2600 could still upconvert 480p to 720p/180i.

Start reading everything you can about the 2600 here...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=696935

it will answer your questions. I know this official thread is VERY LONG, so I made that thread for everyone's benefit.

(The answer is "yes" by the way --> and it does both: called upscaling (changing the resolution up to 720p or 1080i) and upconverting (changing the connection type to HDMI)

Cheers, and happy reading about the 2600...

Doc
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post #1525 of 2653
7/12/06 at 9:35pm
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Originally Posted by docrings View Post

Start reading everything you can about the 2600 here...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=696935

it will answer your questions. I know this official thread is VERY LONG, so I made that thread for everyone's benefit.

(The answer is "yes" by the way --> and it does both: called upscaling (changing the resolution to 1080p) and upconverting (changing the connection type to HDMI)

It only can change it up to either 480p, 720p, or up to a max of1080i, but not 1080p.
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post #1526 of 2653
7/12/06 at 10:27pm
I'm running an Optoma HD7100 through my 2600 via HDMI/DVI. On certain programs over Directv H20-100 in HD (Conan O'Brien for example) I get an audio/video sync issue. What's got me stumped is that the video is ahead of the audio. Using the audio sync on the 2600 makes it worse not better. What's going on here? It doesn't happen all the time, only certain broadcasts and only on HD channels. If I switch from HD to SD broadcast of the same show the sync is perfect.
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post #1527 of 2653
7/13/06 at 7:45am
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Originally Posted by oneils View Post

Hi guys, I found this on Yamaha's site and I'm trying to make heads or tails of it...

http://www.yamaha.ca/av/Receivers/hd...ty/RXV2600.jsp

Would this mean that if I used an S-Video cable to connect my digital cable box to a 2600, it could then be converted to either 480p/720p/1080i through an HDMI output to an HDTV?

If so, has anyone tried this and how does it look?

Or, is digital cable already 480p? If so, I'm guessing the 2600 could still upconvert 480p to 720p/180i.

It will work, but you are always better off using the best connection possible out of your cable box so if it has component video out or HDMI/DVI you should use that. The scaling in the 2600 is marginal at best. It does give you a little picture improvement on SD content. If S-Video is the best you have going out, the Panny will upconvert to HDMI as well as upscale to 720P or 1080i.
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post #1528 of 2653
7/13/06 at 11:03am
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

Try, first, connecting your DVD (using DVI->to->HDMI cable) to 2600, but do [not] connect cable-box yet. See if you get video, thru-receiver, to TV (digital coax audio should not be causing any video transfer problem). If it does not work then try using component video connection.

If everything works, then, try connecting cable-box using component video. Don't use the DVI-to-HDMI connection it will not work.

You'll have to carefully read thru pages 80, 81, 82 (in the RX-V2600 manual) to understand how to properly select INPUT sources, I/O assignment and AUDIO select.

I just realized (reading the manual) that in order for any HDMI inputs to be displayed you have to be outputting via HDMI (currently outputting via component). So now I guess I need to wait for my HDMI cable to come and see if that resolves this problem.
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post #1529 of 2653
7/13/06 at 4:47pm
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Originally Posted by docrings View Post

Start reading everything you can about the 2600 here...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=696935

it will answer your questions. I know this official thread is VERY LONG, so I made that thread for everyone's benefit.

(The answer is "yes" by the way --> and it does both: called upscaling (changing the resolution to 1080p) and upconverting (changing the connection type to HDMI)

Cheers, and happy reading about the 2600...

Doc

Thanks very much docrings.

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post #1530 of 2653
7/16/06 at 5:36pm
I would appreciate anyones help on the 2600. I picked it up a month ago and am still understanding the manual etc. One thing I have been unable to figure out is where I can plug in wireless headphones without using the headphone jack which kills the sound to all speakers. My father in law is hard of hearing so I like to be able to give him the headphones to use while he is here. Any options that I have to plug them into the back of the unit?

Thanks
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