Official Yamaha RX-V1600 & 2600 thread - Page 2

As ntjb said the onscreen guide has worked fine with the HDMI output and the component output. I haven't hooked up any s-video or composite inputs/outputs yet so I can't speak to them.

As to speakers, I have Klipsch all around. They have very high sensitivity levels so they are very very loud with this receiver. To be honest, I know nothing about sound, ie. bright, warm etc. I have read here that Klipsch are bright speakers and Yamaha have bright receivers so someone who understands music or sound probably wouldn't like the setup. For me, however, with movies shaking the room (I have a Mirage S10 sub that I bought based on what I read here) and for rock and roll such as Credence and the Doors it sounds great to me

I'm rocking out to some Pink Floyd - The Wall in "Pure Direct" mode right now, and it sounds fantastic, even on my lowly Polk R30's.

Hi all,

I am trying to determine between the Yamaha 2600, the Pioneer 74TXV, Onkyo 803, and the JVC 702. Of the 4, I'm leaning most toward, the Yammy 2600 or the JVC 701. I've owned Yamaha in the past and been very pleased, but I am really struggling with the extra cost over the JVC. Especially since I keep thinking that I am goinng to want to upgrade within a year or two with all the new standards and formats that are coming out.

Can someone please help expain the the benefits of the 2600 over the 701? I understand that the amps (analog vs digital) are a big difference. But does that really make one better than the other?

Some more info on what I am looking for:
- 7.1 capability
- Video switching (analog and digital)
- My room size is 18 x 20. tile floors, so not the greatest for sound.

What I already have\\don't have:
- Sonance Virtuoso RS2 sides and rears
- Have not selected my fronts or center speakers yet

cancel the goofy color fonts please, some of us view the AVS forums with a white background

Better now?? Funny thing is is that when you do a quote grab....it changes it to white and puts it in a white box...perhaps if you chose the white background it's different. I for one cant stand looking at a white monitor. I'll keep the text yellow.

Hi jandail,

Thanks for the feedback. Video conversion from the analog connections to the digital connections is important to me. Scaling in additon to conversion is a plus. HDMI capable and switching is also important. It was my understanding that the JVC 701 also did scaling and upconversion form 480i/P up to HDMI/720P or 1080I. It does it using a Faroudja processor. Can any else confirm that?

As for what else is important, obvioulsy good sound, support of all the multichannel formats, THX cert is a plus, room auto-setup is a plus.

As for as the speakers, thats a whole other challenge. Im a newbie at all this, and I am trying hard to do some research and not just run out to Best Buy or Circuit City (our two local chain stores). Luckly I bought the surrounds and rears when I built the house, so I don't have to decide on those.

701 does sound interesting. Haven't heard it. I have heard the Yamaha 2500 at GG and was blown away by the sound. The Cinema DSP mode was fantastic for HT. My search ended there after comparing it to the Denon in their demo room. In my experience you will not find great speakers at Circuit City or Best Buy. Circuit City has some good speakers, but not great. Best Buy carries Klipsch which I have and love, but they do not carry their Reference line. Good Guys does and since they are going out of business you may find some at a great price if you are close to one. I would head over to the speaker forums here. I have learned a ton there. Check out some of the internet only speakers like Axiom Audio. These internet companies seem to be by far the best bang for the buck. I'm about to pull the trigger on the Axiom complete HT setup based on Audioholics reviews and these forums. Never heard them, but I have 30 days to audition in my theater which is far better than a showroom floor.

Thanks Bob,
How about others? Anyone running anything like the old energy take-5? I'm looking to stay under 1k for a set of speakers... I know I'll sacrifice ultimate sound, but the room is not setup well for acustics to begin with, so I don't want to get really expensive speakers (the wife thinks our current ones are just fine, they make sound come out)...

I'll try to include a couple pics of my current setup...

Wakefield103,
I couldn't find any info on the JVC 701. If you mean the RX-D702 it does HDMI switching and deinterlaces 480i to 480p (no upconversion to 720/1080). I believe the Yamaha is the only one in the market to offer this feature so far.

Is there any problem going from HDMI from reciver to DVI to Tv? I am going to buy the 2600.

>>Is there any problem going from HDMI from reciver to DVI to Tv? I am going to buy the 2600.<<

I'm no expert, but from what I understand they are the same. A HDMI > DVI cable is what you need or a HDMI cable and a HDMI > DVI end piece to connect to the TV.

I'm looking to get the 2600 as well. It's amazing how everything comes back to ATARI full circle.

Gary

Is anyone familiar with Park AveElectronics? They are the only vendor I've seen selling the 2600 for under MSRP. Has anyone had any expierience with this site? HERE

I was wondering what your thoughts were on the receiver. I feel your pain in not getting a properly working one the first time.

Here's another one, AV Perfection. Anyone know about this place?

The local store I picked the 2600 up from had received two units in and I know he was holding a unit for someone else. Yesterday when I returned the unit he gave me the other one that was on hold. His words were 'earlybird gets the worm'.

Anyway, I have the unit up and running but can't really comment on it yet as I don't have the other components (plasma, speakers, etc.).
For some odd reason it was a surprise to me that the front display was orange/red. I don't know why but I thought it would be bluish in color.
I like the orange / red.

You could make a case for powering the chiping bird in your tree with the 2600. That might be justifaction for leaving it out.

My 1600 came in a few days ago. I chose this receiver because of the de-interlacing feature. I, like many others, wanted to run a single HDMI cable to my TV. De-interlacing is essential since my 50phd8uk (still back ordered) supposedly wont take 480i via HDMI or DVI. After some testing this weekend with a 7th gen Panny ED plasma I'm quite disappointed. Video switching with my 1600 degrades video quality regardless of the input or output method I chose. Here are my subjective results:


Edit: I Forgot to list results for S-video (although, it's just more of the same). N% is of quality running through the receiver compared to a direct connection.


Composite to Receiver
Composite out 80%
S-video out N/A (I did not have a 2nd S-video cable to use)
Component out 85%
HDMI out 90%

S-video to Receiver
S-video out N/A
Component out 85%
HDMI out 90%

Component to Receiver
Component out 85%
HDMI out 90%

No HDMI device available

Everything I used (all the major game consoles and a dvd player) looked better connected directly to the TV.

I am not sure I understand correctly what the percentages are referred to, but I understand your disappointment.
I would like to know from 2600 owners how they rate the PQ coming out after 1080i upconversion from different sources. I am planning to go buy it tomorrow. I am really counting to improve the signal from my Comcast STB through upconversion, if that is not clear, I may wait to see the new HK740.

For instance, 80% as good as a direct connection to the TV.

Sominus, its good you are chiming in. The only reason I even come close to considering the Yamaha 2600 is because it had the Faroudja scalar.

if the scaing and upscaling sucks, im going back to Pioneer elite 56TXi.

I have the previous generation Samsung plasma (5031) and I find the upscaler makes the picture better for SD and doesn't effect the HD (which is already very good) so for my house it has been a plus as even my wife noticed the difference in SD. The Panny, however, probably has a better scaler then last years Samsung so it may not help with that TV. I think it probably just depends on the scaler in the TV you already have or are getting. For me the SD increased resolution and the sound of the receiver make it a keeper...I don't know about others.

As an owner of a DLT HDTV, one of my AVR requirements is to have audio delay to sync up the audio and video from the various inputs. I was wondering if someone could confirm what I heard:

The 1600 does have an audio delay setting (don't know what the range is 0- xxx ms)
The 2600 does have an audio delay setting AND it can have a different delay value for each input.

Having a setting for each input would be very handy. I believe the new Denon 2106 has this capability.

thanks--jpe

I haven't ever had to use it and don't know how to use it. The manual says it has a control range of 0-240(ms). So it has it but whether it does what you need I don't know.

Well thats just not the best news Ive heard about this....
I problably among others was looking at the 2600 just for the video switching ability, and hopefully not but once again, the first year out of the gate... needs to be refined...

Still would like to hear more if there is degredation in video signal... Sorry to hear of your dissapointment.. Sominus

Please let us know more as your testing continues... :/

Warp

You better look again if you are really planning on getting a Faroudja scaler in it. Because even though they do list it as offering upscaling to 720p or 1080i. There is also nowhere where they say or make any claim that it has the Faroudja chipset that is doing it for them. There are quite a few other ways of doing scaling besides using the Faroudja stuff, and the only Yamaha that does for sure use it is the RX-Z9.

Dont forget that the yammi will display the OSD over HDMI, but the JVC line will not.

I was also under the impression that the Faroudja was only to de-interlace 480i, which is pretty much neccessary because alot of displays will not accept 480i over HDMI.

Also dont forget that the Yammi has 3 component inputs, where the JVC only has two (which if you use both HDMI you can only use 1 of)

Personnaly I am still torn between the two of theese, but the Yammi definitely has the features that make it worth the extra money over the 702.