Official Yamaha RX-V1600 & 2600 thread - Page 3

I just purchased the 2600 today. I haven't hooked it up yet. I am hearing that pq will be better hooked straight to the tv. This will defeat the reason I got this receiver. Does anyone have experience with this yet?

I'll start by saying I'm probably not the best person to make a statement on the PQ of the HDMI scaled outputs from the 2600, so I'll provide my general comments on it.

I purchased the new 50" plasma 2 days before the receiver, so I hadn't had much time with the TV before using the HDMI out on the 2600.

My Dish receiver is only capable of s-video on its "highest quality" output. Connected directly to the tv, it appeard OK, but not great. Had the "jaggies" one would say when evalutating digital pictures, looked highly compressed (which the content I'm sure is from dish), and looked like a SD just blown up to fit the screen without 1 concern for PQ.

Using the 2600 to upscale the s-video to 1080i and output through the HDMI port to the TV did make what I'd call a nice improvement. There no "free lunch" and its never going to look as good as true 1080i content mind you, but it did get rid of the jaggies, seemed to help a great deal with compression artificats from the source content, and give me an overall pleasing picture. Only downside is that it does appear softer than direct. I went back and forth a few times, direct to switched/upscaled from the 2600, and definately preffer the picture coming through the 2600. It looks more filmlike and covers up the missing information well.

I'm sure not everyone will agree, but hey, I like it, I plan to keep running it that way until I can figure out how to get an HD-DVR from dish WITHOUT paying their 799...

My .02

Robert

Ahhh ................maybe Ebay...

I don't have a HDTV yet, but on my 1600 the upconversion from my sattelite receiver's S-Video output to component video doesn't look bad at all. I guess I'll have to wait till I get a new tv before I can really comment on the HDMI upconversion and deinterlacing. Unfortunately I won't be getting a new tv anytime soon.

I updated my post (#50) with a little more info. I'm no expert, but I feel like the cause of my results has more to do with materials or build quality rather than a chip. Loosing PQ when merely running a composite signal through is sad. I have a $60 switch box that can handle that. I am going to exchange this 1600 for a new one. wish me luck.

My dvd player has hdmi out. Since the 2600 will not upscale with hdmi input to the reciever, would it be better to output a 480p signal from a dvd player via component to the 2600 then hdmi out to the tv? Would you then get a 1080i signal to the tv?

Does your DVD upscale to 1080?

If yes then decide which one does a better job of it, if the DVD player use HDMI from it to the AVR, if the AVR then use component to it, and decide what looks better 480i from the DVD or 480p (assuming you have the option of turning on the Progressive scan).

IF the DVD dosnt upscale then yes using component is you only option to get it upscaled to 1080.

I also have another question: does the receiver has zoom/stretch feature through HDMI? My Sony TV doesn't lem me do that when I feed a 1080i signal, but I can stretch an image through my upconverting DVD player. Hopefully I can do the same through the receiver.

Thanks for the reply Gary........Thunder

Off subject but check out the PVR and Dish forums here at AVS. A lot of people (including myself, only w/ Directv not Dish) were able to talk to customer retention, a higher level up of customer service at the satallite providers and get amazing deals on HD recievers/ DVRs PVRs, installations, promotional free programing, stuff like that.

I spent 2 weeks talking to multiple account specialists in customer retention, and sent a couple emails to the ceo email that people say gets them good results, and I got nothing out of them for a new DISH HD DVR, not even a $50 account credit. So i finally had to make good on my threat and switch to cable.

I think Dish is trying not to sell the 942 because in a couple months they are going to have to upgrade them to Mpeg4, they would rather I had waited a couple months and they would have given me what they call a "great promotional deal" on their next HD DVR that is Mpeg4 compatable.

/Back on topic.

Do theese Yammis have discrete ir codes for on/off, input, and surround modes? this is really important to me to try and keep things as easy as possible for the wife and kids.

Ordered my 2600 tonight. Should arrive early next week. I'll let you all know how the video upconversion works for me. It will be upconverting to 720p for my Optoma H79. Now that I can run everything over my HDMI cable, whatever will I do with that expensive 35 ft. component cable I just sheetrocked into the wall?

I'm using my Harmony 880 with no problems with the 2600

Um, just out of interest, and I don't want to start some kind of "mines better thans yours", but anyone compared 2600 with the 4600? Obviously audio only as 4600 does not have all the nice video features.

The 5990 is the same internally as the 1600. The only real difference is cosmetics.
Actually after looking at them it looks as if the 5990 is more along the lines of the 2600, without the fancy remote.

They both upscale. What are you talking about in particular?

In looking at the specs, I think the 5990 upconverts analog to digital, but doesn't upscale to 720i or 1080i, whereas the 2600 does.

Well, I got my 2600 last week. I'd moved lately and most of my HT gear was in storage. Dug out my Klipsch's. Wow, forgot how much I loved them!

Only have the front speakers going so far but sounds awesome.

Couple of questions if you please...

1. When adjusting volume with set to CBL/SAT which is my HD Tivo hooked up by HDMI. The screen does not show the volume being changed (you know with a bar and digital reference). However, if I set it to something else the volume bar does show on the screen. There is only HDMI hooked up currently. So..what's up? Can I get that volume bar?

2. I had thought that by changing my output to 480i on the Tivo that the Yamaha would upscale it. But...since I am only using HDMI there is no upscaling. The upscaling occurs at the TV. Has anybody out there figured out how to optimally use the 2600 with the HD Tivo?

3. Has anyone figured out the correct setting for using the Yamaha remote on the HD Tivo?

IMHO this is an awesome device. If you need an HDMI switcher your spending a bundle and it's free with the 2600. Upscaling? Shoot, done it several different ways (Buffalo is great!) but the 2600 is just so fine!

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/customer/r.../remote_IR.htm

should get you what you are looking for

what inputs are you using for the other sources that work with the volume bar? I wonder if it can only overlay the volume bar on analog sources that it can transcode/upscale.

excellent thatnks. this is looking like the perfect AVR for me.

HOW is the POWER output?

any old elite owners make a comparison.

ie, elite 56txi vs. Yammy 2600

I don't have anything else hooked up yet. So you might be right about the analog inputs. Kinda sucks though. I like using the reference the bar gives me.

Any other HD Tivo users out there?

I know, and I very much prefer the cosmetics of the 1600 over the 5990. And no, the 5990 is more along the lines of the 1600.

I'm trying to decide between the 1600 and 2600. The biggest difference I see is that the 2600 has upconversion to 720/1080 and the 1600 only has 480p deinterlacing.

Since the Display has to scale to it's native resolution, would it really matter whether it receives an upconverted signal or not?

This would would sway my decision either way. I guess the probable answer to question is that it would depend on the quality of the scaler built into the display.

I'm planning on getting a Panny 50PHD8UK with HDMI. Anybody have experience with this plasma and the 2600/1600?

Good call. I read part of the manual on the 5990 it states that it converts all 480i to 480p, that is what it calls upconversion. See page 81-83 of the manual.