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post #91 of 2653
11/15/05 at 11:49am
I too just picked up my 2600 at Tweeter....been looking at the manual for a couple of days and plan to install tonight....I'll be using HDMI from a Motorola 6412 Cable box and Component from my DVD player....I'm anxious to see if the "up conversion" makes analog cable look any better.....I'll report back tomorrow......
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post #92 of 2653
11/15/05 at 11:54am
List for 2600 is $1399.00.....got one of the first one's at Tweeter for $1180.00.....
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post #93 of 2653
11/15/05 at 8:31pm
The 2600 wont upscale your cable if you hook it with HDMI. you will need to also run an analog cable from the STB to the reciever for your non HD channels.

Once you get it setup will you test out the the different inputs to see which ones will display a volume bar or other popup info?
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post #94 of 2653
11/16/05 at 12:59am
Has anyone tried 720p via component in and HDMI out? This would be useful, for example, if you are going to buy an X360, which doesn't have HDMI or DVI out, and don't want to run component cables to the display.
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post #95 of 2653
11/16/05 at 6:36am
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Originally Posted by Ronin_R6 View Post

The 2600 wont upscale your cable if you hook it with HDMI. you will need to also run an analog cable from the STB to the reciever for your non HD channels.

Once you get it setup will you test out the the different inputs to see which ones will display a volume bar or other popup info?


Ronin_R6....Thanks for the reply....I hooked my system up last night as follows....Component video and Coaxial Audio from my DVD player to the receiver....HDMI from my Motorola 6412 cable box to the receiver HDMI in....HDMI out from the receiver to HDMI in on Philips plasma......results: Component video from DVD was output thru HDMI out to plasma with no issues.....when I switched the receiver input to my cable box, all I got was a screen that flashed from green to black to green......so you were right about the 2600 not upscaling my cable box input.....so, what do I need to do?....run component video from the cable box to the receiver(just like the DVD) with separate audio cable? Thanks for any help...John Qualls
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post #96 of 2653
11/16/05 at 7:18am
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Ronin_R6....Thanks for the reply....I hooked my system up last night as follows....Component video and Coaxial Audio from my DVD player to the receiver....HDMI from my Motorola 6412 cable box to the receiver HDMI in....HDMI out from the receiver to HDMI in on Philips plasma......results: Component video from DVD was output thru HDMI out to plasma with no issues.....when I switched the receiver input to my cable box, all I got was a screen that flashed from green to black to green......so you were right about the 2600 not upscaling my cable box input.....so, what do I need to do?....run component video from the cable box to the receiver(just like the DVD) with separate audio cable? Thanks for any help...John Qualls

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post #97 of 2653
11/16/05 at 8:23am
That makes no sense. Shouldn't the HDMI from the cable box through HDMI of the receiver pass through with no scaling? Why would you have to downgrade the output of the cable box to component?

HDMI -> HDMI -> HDMI should work with no scaling.
Wouldn't you agree?


Hook the cable box directly to the plasma HDMI - HDMI.

Is the HDMI active on your cable box?

Gary
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post #98 of 2653
11/16/05 at 10:38am
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That makes no sense. Shouldn't the HDMI from the cable box through HDMI of the receiver pass through with no scaling? Why would you have to downgrade the output of the cable box to component?

HDMI -> HDMI -> HDMI should work with no scaling.

Wouldn't you agree?

Gary

Yes this is correct. there "should" be no issues using the HDMI setup for the cable box, in fact this should be the best solution for HD sources.

But if you want to upscale the 480i SD channels there will have to be a second set of cables from the STB to the Reciever that is not digital for the video.

But there are a lot of people reporting problems with the Motorola STBs and HDMI switchers, the Motorola boxes dont like having a repeater in the middle and ususally wont pass the HDCP handshake. The only hope at this point if for Motorola to come up with a firmware update to fix this. Actually I have read a lot of issues with the SA boxes as well, but the HD Tivo people sem to not have as many issues with this.

Maybe someone here has some workarounds for you to get the HDMI working. but if not you may be stuck with component until HDMI switchers become more common and motorola gfets enough complaints.
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post #99 of 2653
11/16/05 at 12:06pm
OK, let me vent some frustration....I've been messing with HT gear for over 35 years and I was beginning to think that I knew at least something about my hobby.....since I already have a Motorola 6412 with HDMI out, and a Philips plasma with HDMI in, my thinking was to buy the 2600, upgrade to a DVD player with HDMI, do the "2 cables in, 1 cable out" thing and be done with it! I think you guys are correct in that there is a potential problem with the "handshake" between the 2600 and the TV....sometimes(not always), when I switch to the HDMI input on the TV, I get a picture for a couple of seconds, then the screen alternates between flashing green and black....could this indicate a "handshake" problem? Can I have any confidence that this is a STB problem and not a defective 2600? Also, when I run auto setup, at the last screen where it tells you that the measurements were successful(p. 34 of the manual), it will not allow me to confirm the settings and "save them"....the GUI is slightly different at this point than what the manual shows.....thanks in advance for all the help....if you could shed a little more light on the potential "handshake" problem with the 6412 I would appreciate that also....once I get past this, I'll work on some of the other questions I've seen posted, like the "volume bar" not displaying on different inputs....Thanks, John
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post #100 of 2653
11/16/05 at 12:42pm
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List for 2600 is $1399.00.....got one of the first one's at Tweeter for $1180.00.....

Abt Electronics (an authorized Yamaha dealer) has them currently in stock for $1300. If your out of state they don't charge tax and they have free shipping. I just ordered one from them. Hope to have it next week.
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post #101 of 2653
11/16/05 at 12:43pm
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OK, let me vent some frustration....I've been messing with HT gear for over 35 years and I was beginning to think that I knew at least something about my hobby.....since I already have a Motorola 6412 with HDMI out, and a Philips plasma with HDMI in, my thinking was to buy the 2600, upgrade to a DVD player with HDMI, do the "2 cables in, 1 cable out" thing and be done with it! I think you guys are correct in that there is a potential problem with the "handshake" between the 2600 and the TV....sometimes(not always), when I switch to the HDMI input on the TV, I get a picture for a couple of seconds, then the screen alternates between flashing green and black....could this indicate a "handshake" problem? Can I have any confidence that this is a STB problem and not a defective 2600? Also, when I run auto setup, at the last screen where it tells you that the measurements were successful(p. 34 of the manual), it will not allow me to confirm the settings and "save them"....the GUI is slightly different at this point than what the manual shows.....thanks in advance for all the help....if you could shed a little more light on the potential "handshake" problem with the 6412 I would appreciate that also....once I get past this, I'll work on some of the other questions I've seen posted, like the "volume bar" not displaying on different inputs....Thanks, John

I would guess that it is 100% an issue with the 6412.

there are many reports about the 6412 not working with many different HDMI switchers, and most of the time those same people have HDMI DVD players that work fine without any handshake issues.

There is not anything wrong with the 2600 it just seems that most cable boxes right now dont play nice. Hopefully the next generation of STBs will be better.
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post #102 of 2653
11/16/05 at 3:00pm
whats the best cabling method to feed my mac powerbook into the 2600 to upscale to my plasma?

thanks,

julie
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post #103 of 2653
11/16/05 at 3:04pm
You have a DVI out on the powerbook, I presume. I'd try a DVI to HDMI cable directly into the HDMI input on the 2600. You'll probably need to make sure you're outputting a standard 720 or 1080 signal.
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post #104 of 2653
11/16/05 at 3:47pm
thanks wood2395

will try that when my 2600 arrives

julie
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post #105 of 2653
11/16/05 at 5:18pm
to the receiver and then HDMI out to the monitor. I could be wrong but as far as I can tell from playing with my new receiver and from reading (ok memorizing) the manual it will not "upscale" digital information that is input into the receiver and then output through the HDMI..it will only pass through such information. Someone else please correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it will only "upscale" analog input such as s-video or component
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post #106 of 2653
11/16/05 at 6:03pm
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to the receiver and then HDMI out to the monitor. I could be wrong but as far as I can tell from playing with my new receiver and from reading (ok memorizing) the manual it will not "upscale" digital information that is input into the receiver and then output through the HDMI..it will only pass through such information. Someone else please correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it will only "upscale" analog input such as s-video or component


You are correct sir!

Gary
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post #107 of 2653
11/16/05 at 6:05pm
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to the receiver and then HDMI out to the monitor. I could be wrong but as far as I can tell from playing with my new receiver and from reading (ok memorizing) the manual it will not "upscale" digital information that is input into the receiver and then output through the HDMI..it will only pass through such information. Someone else please correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it will only "upscale" analog input such as s-video or component

Are you using the 1600 or the 2600, there is a difference in what the two models will do.
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post #108 of 2653
11/16/05 at 6:26pm
the 1600 does not "upscale" at all...just upconverts an analog signal to HDMI. The 2600 "upscales" 480i analog to 720p or 1080i. But it will only "upscale" analog signals not digital.
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post #109 of 2653
11/16/05 at 8:48pm
Alpina won't need to upscale the computer input, he can select 1280 x 720 output from the laptop. It merely needs to pass through to the hdmi output to the monitor.
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post #110 of 2653
11/16/05 at 9:11pm
I guess I got confused when he said upscale to his plasma. I think you're right and that he meant upconvert to HDMI
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post #111 of 2653
11/17/05 at 5:43am
I'm not familiar with the Motorola 6412 but couldn't one just run component cables from the cable box to the 2600 then HDMI out to the monitor? Wouldn't that allow for the upscaling of the standard def signals coming from the 6412?
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post #112 of 2653
11/17/05 at 6:34am
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I'm not familiar with the Motorola 6412 but couldn't one just run component cables from the cable box to the 2600 then HDMI out to the monitor? Wouldn't that allow for the upscaling of the standard def signals coming from the 6412?

This is the same conclusion I have come to with my HD Tivo. I am not sure why but when you use HDMI all the analog outputs shut down.

Truth is that every single test I read when DVI first came out indicated that there was not really any noticeable difference between it and component.

I know that many will disagree with that. The really plus side when using the HD Tivo is that you can simply hit the up arrow and switch back and forth from 720p and 480i output. That let's the 2600 take care of business on the SD stuff.

There is the price to pay of having to use component but I think it's well worth it IMHO.
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post #113 of 2653
11/17/05 at 11:24am
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I'm not familiar with the Motorola 6412 but couldn't one just run component cables from the cable box to the 2600 then HDMI out to the monitor? Wouldn't that allow for the upscaling of the standard def signals coming from the 6412?

S1DIMMER....When I did exactly as you suggest, I first thought that everything was O.K.....then I thought I saw a very slight "jitter" or "flicker in the picture(42" Philips plasma)....it was so slight that I got my wife to take a look and see if she saw what I saw.....she agreed that it was there, so I've gone back to my "old" way of doing things.....HDMI out from 6412 to TV, Component out from DVD to TV. Note: I had no PQ problems with Component in from DVD, output from the 2600 to TV via HDMI, but with only 1 HDMI input on my TV, I wanted to use that for the 6412.....even though this defeats one of the main reasons for me buying this 2600 (HDMI switching), I'll just have to be content to wait for Motorola to either fix the problem or wait for the next generation STB....on a positive note, my Harmony 659 remote works great with the 2600.....John
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post #114 of 2653
11/17/05 at 11:44am
on a positive note, my Harmony 659 remote works great with the 2600.....John

What features could you control?
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post #115 of 2653
11/17/05 at 11:57am
I've got a Harmony 880 - great remote. I'm just trying to get all my equipment settled and working correctly. Mostly my HTPC which should be done and working after this weekend. I haven't decided on my receiver yet. The Yamaha RX-V2600 is in the lead I think. There's also the Denon AVR-3806, and maybe the Onkyo TX-SR803.
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post #116 of 2653
11/18/05 at 7:32am
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on a positive note, my Harmony 659 remote works great with the 2600.....John

What features could you control?

anymouse....the initial download from Harmony gave me the following functions: on;off;volume up and down.....when I select the receiver under "devices" I get most of the DSP modes, some are functional, some are not(not a big deal to me)...I still need to determine if I can switch inputs on the receiver between DVD and CAB/SAT.....may have to customize a couple of buttons for that....I'll keep tweaking it as I have time.....John
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post #117 of 2653
11/18/05 at 7:50am
You still can't use Presence and Surround back channels at the same time (not even with an outboard stereo power amplifier), can you?
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post #118 of 2653
11/18/05 at 8:35am
been playing with my newly arrived 2600 for a day or so now...

display is a sanyo Z4 projector on a 106" graywolf via 720p HDMI.
speakers are deftech 2006/2300/1.2x via canare 2x14ga biwire in-wall and 1st-class termination (ok, class 1.5...not wbt).
sources are samsung hd951 DVD (DCDi scaler outputting 720p HDMI) and SA 3250HD cable box...

the 2600 doesn't like digital video from the cable box via DVI-HDMI cable: i see the image flicker onto the screen almost to quickly too register about once every 10sec...any ideas?, so it's using component. initially i had the cable box set to 720p, period. HD looked great but the box's scaler wasn't helping SD, so i reenabled all available resolutions and let the box output the native signal for the 2600 to work on (confirmed by 2600 'signal info' GUI). the improvement was significant. you can see the interpolation, but it just softens the image a little instead of creating jaggies. HDMI DVD is beautiful. GUI definitely displays on HDMI.

i ran the auto calibration and was quite suprised by the accuracy of the results i could verify. glad to see all my DIY wiring was right the first time! the three 8" integral subs across the front work surprisingly well.

$0.02,

dookie
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post #119 of 2653
11/18/05 at 8:53am
Anyone have any comments on sound quality of the RX-V2600? I'm looking to purchase one very soon but want to be sure it sounds good compared to lets say a Denon AVR-3806? I don't think any of my local stores have either of these setup, let alone in stock. I don't have great speakers and they're going to have to stick around for a while longer. Don't laugh but my speakers are an old Sony HTIB set. Two floorstanding front towers - wood not plastic, the center channel and rear surrounds are smallish plastic case speakers. My sub is a 10" downward firing JBL. All are I'd say about 10 years old. I know they aren't great but they work. Before I pull the trigger on this receiver I just want to be sure sound quality is decent. Mostly I'd be watching movies but at times I'd be listening to my MP3 collection via my HTPC's optical out.
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post #120 of 2653
11/18/05 at 9:27am
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You still can't use Presence and Surround back channels at the same time (not even with an outboard stereo power amplifier), can you?

No you can not.
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