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no luck from them. They say that I'm basically out of luck. I'll check to see if I happen to have a dead RCA firewire connection by testing it on another newer set somewhere.

bummer.

Good thing is my mom is getting a new Toshiba that supposedly works with this. So at least I won't be stuck with a brick.

it shouldn't see camcorders - although it is firewire, camcorders (don't know about HD ones) use a different communication protocol.

I checked to see if the DVR's firewire was dead, but XP sees it. Unfortunately Hitachi says "there's nothing we can do, it is probably incompatible."

I told them to me, firewire is firewire, the software is the difference. Maybe I should try another approach, as I kept going in circles with the rep..

Are you sure you have the wd525 manual? It states on page 54 that you the device must stay on the sorce while it is recording. It states that it will stil record if turned off, otherwise it must stay on the sorce. If i hit my device button everything is grayed out. It really doesn't make sense that I can't use my DVD or Ps2 while recording. That's how mits did it.

This is where I got the manual:
http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/common/getfile.asp?uuid={5393E8F7-E640-4411-8DB2-B944FAE948D1}
The peer to peer page is page 56 sorry. I would guess that the inability to change channels reference is for analog recordings. The second paragaph on page 56 talks about allowing selecting another device device. My manual has very similar words. John

Yeah I have the manual, and it does say that, I didn't see it before, but it doesn't work that way. I tried using the connect button, and it works exactly the same as when I hit the record button, it wants you to set up a recording. I cannot change the device when recording to my 2160.
Has anyone with the 2005 model mits dlp had success changing a device (especially the 2160) when recording to firewire? Just an fyi the 2005 DLP models are
WD-52327
WD-52525
WD-52725
WD-52825
WD-62327
WD-62525
WD-62725
WD-62825

After a few days with the RCA DVR-2160 I have a few questions for you guys.

I scheduled the DVR to record Desperate Housewives last night, when it went to start the recording it said that it couldn't record copy protected material. The recording wouldn't start, then when I hit the record button on the remote it went ahead and recorded it.

Why wouldn't it record it as I had scheduled through the guide but it would record when I hit the record button? If the show was copy protected I wouldn't be able to record it at all I assume but I was able to. ????

Here is my other question.

How do you stop a recording? I hit the stop button, it stops for a second then starts right back up. Do I have to stop the recording through TV Guide somehow? This happens on scheduled recordings and shows that I just hit the record button for.

Thanks.

The first thing that we need to know is what model etc is your TV??

Sorry, it's in my signature.

Toshiba 52HMX94

Well for those lurkers following my (mis)adventure with Hitachi, this is what I received today from them regarding my 51S700:

Unfortunately, according to our technicians, the DVR2160 will not work with the TV nor is there any way to make it work.

This stinks. What is disappointing is that they're both members of 1394ta and HAVI and their stuff can't talk to each other. The promise of firewire is still unfulfilled.

Either they are lying (MOST LIKELY!) they don't want to spend the time or money on it, or They have some really bad/stupid techs. How does the old quote go something like Don't let those who say it can't be done get in the way of those who are doing it. Something like that.

Besides it's more like the TV won't work with the DVR not the DVR won't work with the TV! Symantics!!

has anyone firgured out how to hack the unit to use it with a pc
toshiba units only work with last year tv
but if anyone wants one I can get cheap
limited supply plus ill give one to person who comes up with the hack or "adjustment

Well I escalated it as high as I could with them. Looks like until I upgrade to another set, DVHS is my storage medium for OTA.

maybe I should look for a cheap LG 3410a unit ..... looks like some are still floating around the web. The main reason I was looking at the DVR is the tapeless convenience factor, but I'd rather use tape and have HD recording capability than have nothing at all.

At least the DVR will go to good use, as my mom is getting a toshiba 52hm95. I bet it'll work with that set.

I called Mits today about my 2005 62525 and they quickly and SUMMARINGLY dismissed my call. "It doesn't work? Call RCA." was basicaly the guist of an hour call. "Not our problem." You'd think I would have learned and bought another manufacturer after 2 prior HD's but Noooooo! Not me!

Anybody had any luck putting the 2160 in mode 3 with a 2005 model? Anybody tried it with a DIFFERENT driving device and then carrying the 2160 back to the Mits to see if it held?

I've read and re-read the entire thread but it's getting exceedingly difficult to follow the progression of the 2160 with the 2005 Mits' despite the fact that this thread seems to be the best one going regarding this subject (ironic in a thread supposedly referencing the "parent" of the 2160).

Anybody willing to give me a brief synopsis of where we are with regard to what can and cannot be done on a 2005 with .05 firmware? I'd just like to weigh my findings after having the 2160 for a couple of days and make sure we're all on the same page and that we're all at least getting out of it what little/all it WILL actually do.

Thanks in advance folks!

You need to call them back and have them elevate this and actually put in a trouble ticket and get a number from them. This is Mits problem. Several of us on here do have in trouble orders. Don't let them give you the run around as their first line of phone support doesn't know much more that what is in the manual itself. Which is probably true for most companies first line. Tell them you want to talk to an engineer about the issue.
This should at least get them to take down the information. RCA will just tell you to call mits.
With the *2525 models you can only record over the air HD, not cable what happens is the TV sends too many sub channels to the DVR and the DVR cannot handle all of those channels. The TV needs to only send one channel the one you are recording to the DVR. Even when you record over the air the 2160 records 2 or 3 channels, even 5 if it's PBS but at least it records. So this IS a problem with the TV as it is the TV that is sending Too many channels to the DVR! As far as the time shifting-Level 3 recording Mits needs to allow change there programming to allow this to happen. It works on newer TV's. Please call mits again and make them put in a what they call a "file" for your issue. Someone may call you back in a couple days and say we'lll let you know when this gets corrected. The more people that do this the better chance we have of getting it resolved.

Will do tomorrow.

"NEW" shortcut key found for the RCA DVR 2160! I've been filling up my DVR 2160 with OTA programming from my Mits 65869's integrated tuner, and the GUIDE LIST has been getting longer and longer. Holding "down arrow" takes too long.... I found that when the Guide is on the screen, the Channel Up/down button jumps to the top/bottom of the guide list rather than do a 30 second skip! --hourglass

CKNA:

Do you know off the top of your head if these will work with ISDB-S/ISDB-T devices?
I know they should, but I'd like to know for sure. We do have that weird multiple TS multiplexing deal, but I think the tuners handle that before sending it off to AVHDD.

I'm ordering one anyway, $55 shipping (haha), thats like half the price of the actual unit on sale. Even if it doesn't work, the fact that it shows up as a SBP2 device greatly amuses me.

These forums are great, I learn something new all the time.

At first in this thread I was pleased to learn that there was a 99 dollar DVR that would work with my TV. From there I bought it, hooked it up and learned how to program through the TV guide... learned the tivo like functions and was loving it.

Now today I read the post by hourglass and realized that I had forgotten about the skip feature because when I first used that feature it skipped ahead 15 minutes. I looked up that setting in manual for the Symbio, which is basically the same unit as the RCA but more than double the price. I found that I can program the skip time through the menu on the TV, it can do a 1, 5, 10 or 15 minute skip. Right now it's on 15 minutes which is why I haven't been using it. Tonight I'm going to set that mug to 1 minute and grin as I skip through commercials......

Granted this is only a small percentage of what I have learned from these boards but none the less it shows how helpful this place can be.

They will work with any STB or TV with firewire ports and has AVC (Audio Video Control) protocol. It really has nothing to do with ISDB or ATSC standard. They record MPEG2 Transport Stream. There are some DVD recorders with hard drives in Japan that will do the same thing. They will record HD on HDD but downconvert to SD if you want to record DVD. I know that Pioneer, Toshiba and Sharp have such products and only in Japan.

Obviously even with shipping RCA is much cheaper solution.

yes exactly.
HVR-HD160 is $500 cheapest and HVR-HD160F (the new one) is ~$300 cheapest, and they do exactly same thing.

I'm also hoping I can use avhddplayer to control this box as well.

Do you know the status of "MOVE" support on these? With all the copy protection paranoia around here, I'm wondering if I'll be able to dub from say 80G Pot into this machine or the other way around.

Thanks

"MOVE" should work as long as software supports it. I downloaded AVHDDPlayer and will try it to see if it works. I was looking for software to record to AVHDD from WinXP.
Thanks timecop.

excellent, let me know if you get it working.
I sent a copy to someone last(?) year when this box first came out but they couldn't figure out what to do with it. avhddplayer driver is very neat, if only it had support for actually streaming the data (as opposed to just AV/C control)...

I too look forward to your report on AVHDDPlayer, particularly if it allows for playback via Firewire.

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Well, I tried. Drivers install fine for AVHDD but as soon as I select RCA or Toshiba AVHDD control I get an Microsoft Visual C++ error. I tried on two different computers so the app has to have a problem. What is interesting is that I can control DVHS machines no problem using AVHDDPlyer.

I also bought the RCA DVR2160 to complement my 42HDT52A plasma. Everything works great, records/playback is sweet for 720p/1080i. The only thing though, I haven't figured out how to DELETE recorded tracks from my Plasma's IEEE 1394 default menu. -JamesMH- have you already figured this out? Is there a way to set the RCA's menu as default? I guess its fine that I have alot of free space, but just pondered what will happen should I fill the 160 GB up, and can't delete?

Also missing is the ability to personalize the titles on the tracks, etc. If anyone has had this problem regardless of the Tuner they are using, any help is appreciated. THANKS... & GO HAWKS!!!!

Has anyone on this forum actually tried one of these with an RCA TV? I have a 50" RCA DLP and looked at these last year when they were like 600 bucks. For $100 it's a lot more reasonable. I guess it stands to reason that my set should work well with this. My manual mentions a DVR10 model that can be hooked up to the firewire output of the set - must be an earlier model of the 2160....

******, I was hoping it would at least do something better than that.
Well, mine has been ordered and shipped according to UPS it should arrive to my mail drop in U.S. this monday U.S. time, and probably a week or so to get it to me. I'll play with it then.

If AVHDDplayer keeps failing here too, I might dig out one of my old AV/C control projects I was playing with few years ago and see if I can hack them to work with this stuff.

AVHDDPlayer works OK with my POT-80 though. The only difference as far as I know is POTs use panasonic(?) AVHDD chip, while these use indignita or whatever, but that should have no difference whatsoever.

Does the RCA show up as a "hdd" icon in teh main "node information" window?

I installed AVHDDPlayer and attached it to my Mitsubishi 1080p DLP with integrated AVHDD. The PC detected four devices, two of which associated with the drivers. One was the integrated drive itself, and the other was designated as a YR2004 which equated to a "(General (Video Monitor)). The player seems to do what it claims, and that is to be a device interface on the PC. I can see the contents of the AVHDD, select, play, pause, stop, and view the content on the TV.

When I attach the DVR2160, two devices were detected. Much like above, one was not liked, and the other was the drive itself which successfully associated with the driver. However, after selecting the 2160 in the node view and trying to open the control app, I get the same runtime error reported by CKNA.

I have a question though...what are you guys trying to accomplish by getting this app to work with the unit? What I would like to do is be able to archive, or capture to the PC itself, in an effort to realize greater storage capacity for my recordings. I am not so overwhelmed with the ability to get a Stop, Play, Pause, etc., button on my PC to do what I could already do before. Maybe I am missing something. Man, I sure wish Vividlogic's Firebus actually worked. I would pay $499 let alone the asking $99 to get a stable, working application.

hey fellow Seattler,

Do you use a cable card? I haven't got one yet.

To delete a tv programme, select it from the tv guide recording, press menu, then select delete episode.
Sometimes it will delete straight away, but you have to have another playback open first, otherwise it will delete after its closed.

Personilise tracks? They keep the title of the programme recorded, BUT you lose these titles when you have to resetup the guide or when the power is lost or when the RCA DVR is unplugged from the tv.

Do you find the KCTS-HD picture quality sometimes poor quality? They are cramming too many channels into their space.