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post #1 of 83
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Read some very good things about the DMR-ES30VS. It's newer and there is less information about the DMR-ES40VS but here and there I have seen comments that the DMR-ES30VS were better.

I have many VHS tapes I would like to dub in the easiest way with the best results.

The DMR-ES30VS is still availabe in very few places. But fading fast.

Any reason to seek out the ES30 or is the ES40 as good or even better? Cost about the same.

Or wait for something even better?

I want to stick with the Panasonic brand which has always been good to me.

Thanks.
post #2 of 83
The 30 makes recording much more flexible and convenient. You can set it for a specific time segment, walk away, and it will shut off at exactly that point you have specified. If you only want to copy certain portions of tape or you want to copy some portions in one mode, but others in another mode, this can easily be accomplished. It is, in this manner, unlike any other VCR/DVDR.
The 40 has dropped this feature. Once you start dubbing, the only way to stop it is to monitor the recording and manually shut it off.
If you have never done any dubbing, you have no idea how much difference it makes, but the convenience also means a big difference in time spent when making recordings.
If you can find a new ES30, buy it...even if it costs MORE. That is not to say the ES40 is not worth owning. It simply does not do the job as well as the ES30.
post #3 of 83
Panny doesn't have their manuals available for download...so...

I'm thinking about getting one of these as well. Do both the VCR and DVD output on the optical output to a AVR?

My plan is to reduce the cable clutter with one of these if possible. One set of component cables for video to the TV and just the optical output to the AVR.

Will it work?

tnx
jim
post #4 of 83
Panasonic has "hidden" its operating manuals. Here are links to the:

DMR-ES30V http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/DMRES30V.PDF
DMR-ES40V http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/DMRES40V.PDF

Enjoy.

RG
post #5 of 83
Many thanx for the manuals! I have a defective ES-30...found this out after discovering it was shipped in a box for the E-75 (HMMMMMMMMM!)and then talking to Panny regarding those blasted vertical lines...but am getting it serviced under warranty. It was purchased on eBay so I guess it serves me right.

I must give kudos to Panny for having US (or Canadian?) reps, and not having reps in a foreign country that helped me to find out the problem. That was a big relief.

I'm having a hard time finding brick & mortar stores that sell the ES30! After my eBay experience I'd much rather stay away from buying it online anywhere. I would like to get a 2nd model, for a "backup". (I know that might not seem necessary to some, but I have a few hundred tapes to dub.) Since the 40 is easier to find I figure I'll probably have to settle on that.

I'd like to see reviews, comments and comparisons between the 2. Can anyone help?

Thanx folks!

Lynda V.E.
post #6 of 83
You can get a ton of info on the 30 & 40 by doing a search here.

I'm just guessing but I would think that the 40 is not built as well as the older 30.

Remember the 40 just came out & is designed to compete with the $199 combo units from China.

I'm betting it's got a lot cheaper parts in it from China & that Panasonic cut a lot of corners in the 40 compared to the older 30.

As far as I'm concerned except for a space problem you would be better off using a seperate VCR & a DVD Recorder compared to the new Combo 40 now that Panny took off all the Edinting Features that made the 30 nice to use. Just my 2 cents.
post #7 of 83
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Originally Posted by Lvanett

I'm having a hard time finding brick & mortar stores that sell the ES30! After my eBay experience I'd much rather stay away from buying it online anywhere. I would like to get a 2nd model, for a "backup". (I know that might not seem necessary to some, but I have a few hundred tapes to dub.) Since the 40 is easier to find I figure I'll probably have to settle on that.


Lynda V.E.
Check you local Walmart-the 30's showed up in mine when the 40s appeared at Circuit City, where all the Panny Recorders live (in my neck of the woods..)
post #8 of 83
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Originally Posted by Bill1313
You can get a ton of info on the 30 & 40 by doing a search here.

I'm just guessing but I would think that the 40 is not built as well as the older 30.

Remember the 40 just came out & is designed to compete with the $199 combo units from China.

I'm betting it's got a lot cheaper parts in it from China & that Panasonic cut a lot of corners in the 40 compared to the older 30.

As far as I'm concerned except for a space problem you would be better off using a seperate VCR & a DVD Recorder compared to the new Combo 40 now that Panny took off all the Edinting Features that made the 30 nice to use. Just my 2 cents.
Thanx for the input! I've been trying to do a search for a comparison of them but have come up empty. Price is not necessarily a factor for me....I'm more than willing to spend $300 or more for the 30 OR 40. That's why I waited so long to buy a machine, cuz I wanted one that could make good quality VHS-DVD dubs.


I would be interested to hear from others about the 40 too. What concerns me is that Panny is touting the 40 as the replacement to the 30, and that if my 30 can't be fixed, they'll probably want to replace it with a 40. Anyone else know if the 40 is inferior? Would like some more info. Thanx! :) :)
post #9 of 83
I'll have to do that. I'm getting disappointed in the lack of selection...and of course this being the Christmas season doesn't help much either.

If by chance Walmart doesn't have it...can someone recommend a few GOOD electronics sites I could buy it from, that won't try to push a refurb on me instead? I am disgusted over the fact the seller I bought this from lied and said my 30 wasn't a refurb when it's obvious it was.
post #10 of 83
I didn't see any on their websites....I don't have a car so I can't drive to the places, guess I'll have to call them. Thanx! :)
post #11 of 83
On page 35 of the es40 manual it says you can divide into chapters then delete chapters and combine chapters .Is this the way the new panasonic's do their editing.
JOE
post #12 of 83
jobedo, Yes & the new ES20 works the same way too.
post #13 of 83
Quote:
Originally Posted by Westly-C
Check you local Walmart-the 30's showed up in mine when the 40s appeared at Circuit City, where all the Panny Recorders live (in my neck of the woods..)
WalMart would be the place to look. I have seen plenty of ES-30's still on the shelves, while the ES-40's are fewer. Probably because most people took the 40 because it was a later model.

But since WalMart sells the ES30V for $294+tax(at least near me) and then they sell the Pioneer 531(80 Gb Hard Disk Drive) for ONLY $4 more, you would be better served getting the Pioneer 531, and then using a separate VCR(to make copies of tapes. I am assuming you have one) inputted to the Pioneer for copies.

The Pioneer 531 is an all-around better value, and MOST people who have it, love it.

Just food for thought.
post #14 of 83
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Originally Posted by STEELERSRULE
The Pioneer 531 is an all-around better value, and MOST people who have it, love it.
I would have to disagree. While the Pioneer is a great machine, for those who want only 1 box (and there are alot of us) and want the ease of dubbing (easy synchronization of the tape/disc, setting the length of segment in the mode you want then leaving it unattended, 1 button dubbing, auto chapter with breaks at tape segments, auto-measuring the entire tape and setting a mode that allows full transfer onto one disc) the ES30vs is the better buy.

When compared to the ES40vs, I'd have to agree that the Pioneer is a better value. While the 40 is still only 1 box and there are some dubbing advantages (everything the 30 does except the ability to select a specific time length), in the long run it isn't as clear a choice as the 30. If you have alot of dubbing to do, it will still save time, mistakes, and frustration. If you only have a few things you want to transfer, the Pioneer would be more serviceable when the transferring is done.
post #15 of 83
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Originally Posted by Lvanett
I didn't see any on their websites....I don't have a car so I can't drive to the places, guess I'll have to call them. Thanx! :)
CC has it on sale this week-
Panasonic DVD Recorder/VCR Combo (DMR-ES40VS)
PAN DMRES40VS Price was: $299.99
You save: -$10.00
You pay: $289.99
Mail-in rebate(s): -$30.00

Price after rebate(s): $259.99
Circuit City page

And lookie here...The EH50V...HARD DRIVE UNIT
Panasonic DVD Recorder/DVR (DMREH50S)
PAN DMREH50S Price was: $449.99
You save: -$130.00

You pay: $319.99
EH50S HRAD DRIVE
post #16 of 83
Check resellerratings.com; you can check the rating of the merchant as well as compare prices.
post #17 of 83
I bought the 40 from CC.com a couple weeks ago. It had some rebates on it so final cost was around $260. So far I like it, but I've only burned 1 RAM disc and 1 -R disc so far. No issues with either one.

So far, I like the unit. DVD playback on my Sammy DLP looked great.

My only complaint, and it's a minor one, is that there's no component/HDMI input. It would be nice to hook up something other than composite or S-Video from my cable box to record TV shows, movies, etc.
post #18 of 83
Is it true you can't add chapter points to the 40? If so how can we get around it?
post #19 of 83
As far as I know, and this applies to "All" Non HDD Panasonic models, you can only "Create Chapters" on DVD-RAM discs & not on the other disc formats.

But when you "Finalize" the other type of discs the chapters are "Automatically Created" about every 5 minutes on the disc.

The Chapters do not show as thumbnails & are invisible but they are on the disc just like "Index Marks are on Video Tapes.

The only work around that I know of is to use a pc with a program that will create chapters on dvds or buy a model that has a Hard Disc Drive in it that transfers the chapters you created on it to the dvd disc when you copy it.
post #20 of 83
So if I take 5 shows from my tivo and transfer it to a DVD on this machine I will not be able to hit the next button to go to the next show but rather have to use the fast forward button instead?
post #21 of 83
Quote:
Originally Posted by wallstreet123456
So if I take 5 shows from my tivo and transfer it to a DVD on this machine I will not be able to hit the next button to go to the next show but rather have to use the fast forward button instead?
There will be at least 12 chapters automatically placed per hour show after finalizing. Press 12 on the keypad to advance to the last ch mark in the hour, then simply press the >> skip forward button to get to the start of the next show.

Or simply pres the menu button and select the next show.
post #22 of 83
One last thing,

Can someone please tell me how to get the time left on the dvd that is playing to show up on the screen, I am either missing that in my manual or perhaps it is not an option
post #23 of 83
^^ The Panasonics do not carry that feature...

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
post #24 of 83
Are the 12 chapter markers per hour available on the 30 or are they only available on the 40? It looks like it has been mentioned above as well as a review I read from someone at Epinions. Just want to be sure before I buy.

Thanks. Epinions quote is below:

Panasonic's DMR-ES30V was the best selection on both CNET and in the 11/05 Consumer Reports. It had a few drawbacks such as no "chapters" and no DV input. By no "chapters" I mean if you recorded and hour of VHS to DVD, then played it on a DVD player, when you hit the "next" button on your remote, it'd skip to the end. In order to go to a different spot, you'd have to fast forward. UGH.

The 40V has changed all that. It has automatic chapters every 5 minutes
post #25 of 83
^^ The 30 acts the same as the 40. After finalizing, ch marks are placed every 5 minutes in each title on the disc.
post #26 of 83
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Originally Posted by wallstreet123456
One last thing,

Can someone please tell me how to get the time left on the dvd that is playing to show up on the screen, I am either missing that in my manual or perhaps it is not an option
Panasonic for some silly reason does not want to display the remaining time.

However, there is a WORKAROUND:

Press the Time Slip button. The UP arrow advances +1 with one press, and +10 if you press-and-hold the UP arrow. (Same with the DOWN arrow for -1/-10). The number stops increasing when you reach the end of the recording, so you know how much time is left :-) Awkward it is, but the time it tells! Then just cancel out of the TimeSlip :)

Unfortunately this workaround only works on unfinalized discs and DVD-RAMs, as Time Slip (at least on my ES20) does not work on commercial DVDs and finalized DVDs.
post #27 of 83
Just bought the ES30VS from 6th Avenue Electronics. Got it online since the retail stores only had the 40s in stock.

Price was $289 with 6 cent shipping. Not sure if shipping is that price nationwide or just here in NJ where I did have to pay tax.
post #28 of 83
OK, I plan on dubbing a VHS tape to DVD tomorrow. What I wanted to know is before I do this can I set the quality for the DVD to 2 hours and if so when would I do that? Does it ask me for my choice when I hit record?

I know the VHS tape is about 1:40 minutes so for best quality I believe 2 hours would be good.

Thanks
post #29 of 83
Quote:
Originally Posted by wallstreet123456
OK, I plan on dubbing a VHS tape to DVD tomorrow. What I wanted to know is before I do this can I set the quality for the DVD to 2 hours and if so when would I do that? Does it ask me for my choice when I hit record?

I know the VHS tape is about 1:40 minutes so for best quality I believe 2 hours would be good.

Thanks
You must set record mode before you begin recording. SP is the 2 hour mode. Press Status twice to put the status box onscreen then Rec Mode on the remote to set it to the mode you want.
post #30 of 83
Thank you
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