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post #2791 of 2990
I just got my Panasonic 42PX600U and first thing I did was try out Xbox 360, I noticed that there was some retention with Fight Night Round 3 game, so I stopped playing.

The retention has gone but I want to limit any further mishaps.

I calibrated using the guide on ******************* - but it seems like ppl are running this DVD during the break in period of 100 hours. After reading multiple threads and somewhat confused if brightness and contrast should be kept low or high during this period. I had it high for 1 hour but changed it to the following:

Picture Mode Standard
Picture -10
Brightness -10
Color -1
Tint -4
Sharpness -14
Color Temperature Warm


Anyone have any recommendations on if i should change this setting. Right now, its 2am EST, so i will let it run till the morning, and also while i go to work. If anyone can provide input if my settings should be changed during this 100 hour, please let me know.

Thanks!

FYI - the aspect I have is the default that came configured.
post #2792 of 2990
ju421019 - I just replied to your double post here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10031893

So you got some IR after playing the game. No big deal, don't stress, it will easily go away. I gamed for hours when my plasma was new, had some IR, but it went away quickly. I have not changed my habits since.

Run it at the settings you expect to run at after break in. If anything, run it a little higher when using the disk. Here is a post from D-Nice concerning plasmas and break in settings: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&page=26&pp=30
post #2793 of 2990
Thanks - and im giving up on this dvd burn in deal since I think I am getting more paranoid through this process than i should. Now, I am started to think the dvd caused some sort of like horizontal line on the bottom of the screen after i let it run for about 18 hours straight. My wife thinks I am crazy and seeing things that are not there.

Thus, I've decided to give up on the dvd and just enjoy the set with low picture/brightness until 100 hours, at which time I will go by the settings recommended by plasma@@buyinguide.
post #2794 of 2990
Quote:
Originally Posted by ju421019 View Post

Thanks - and im giving up on this dvd burn in deal since I think I am getting more paranoid through this process than i should. Now, I am started to think the dvd caused some sort of like horizontal line on the bottom of the screen after i let it run for about 18 hours straight. My wife thinks I am crazy and seeing things that are not there.

Thus, I've decided to give up on the dvd and just enjoy the set with low picture/brightness until 100 hours, at which time I will go by the settings recommended by plasma@@buyinguide.

What seems Kr8z is you posted a copy of this post in at least 3 different threads.
post #2795 of 2990
Quote:
Originally Posted by ju421019 View Post

I just got my Panasonic 42PX600U and first thing I did was try out Xbox 360, I noticed that there was some retention with Fight Night Round 3 game, so I stopped playing.

The retention has gone but I want to limit any further mishaps.

I calibrated using the guide on ******************* - but it seems like ppl are running this DVD during the break in period of 100 hours. After reading multiple threads and somewhat confused if brightness and contrast should be kept low or high during this period. I had it high for 1 hour but changed it to the following:

Picture Mode Standard
Picture -10
Brightness -10
Color -1
Tint -4
Sharpness -14
Color Temperature Warm


Anyone have any recommendations on if i should change this setting. Right now, its 2am EST, so i will let it run till the morning, and also while i go to work. If anyone can provide input if my settings should be changed during this 100 hour, please let me know.

Thanks!

FYI - the aspect I have is the default that came configured.


How did you get IR on Fight Night? There's no HUD?!?!?!
post #2796 of 2990
Curious because of buddy of mine just bought an HD and is scared shitless of Burn In. I told him its not really an issue unless you go 18 or 24 or 48 hours on the same pic. Seems to me that IR is fairly prevelant but goes away within a few hours in bad cases and that Burn In is very rare on new sets.

What would have to happen to have burn in on a new plasma? I've read numerous incidents of 4, 6 or 8 hours of the same thing being on a screen and it not burning in.
post #2797 of 2990
Don't worry 6speedTA. You'd have to really screw up and leave it on a static page for quite a while to cause burn-in or IR. I've got my Pioneer 5070 set to nearly vivid mode settings and do alot of gaming and watch alot of Discovery HD and no issues whatsoever. I've even watched stations with their annoying icon at the lower left/right hand portion of the screen with no problems. You'd have to be a total ****** (figuratelively, not literally for all you sensitive types)to screw something up that bad. LOL
post #2798 of 2990
hello, i am new to this forum and before i bought my plasma HDTV, i did all the research neccassary and the burn-in precautions i got the most info from was this thread

well here is my troubling story...

so i bought the Samsung 42 inch Plasma (HPS4253X)(at CC) on Feb.19 and this past friday i noticed the ugliest IR but what it was from surprised me, it is from the channel display our digital cable has(its IO digital cable from cablevision). Now this isnt the first IR i have had. On the top left side, i get it from watching soccer games, basically only the white letters stayed this goes away after about three hours of normal viewing however the same channel ,sometimes the channel shows its logo on the right side and i could watch the entire game(45 minutes per half) without any IR leaving behind on the right side

now coming back to the problem, most of the IR from the channel display went away except the area where the diagonal buttons are shown is still there, you could only see it however when bright vivid colors are shown on the display(the diagonal buttons shown is white)

yesturday, i went to CC where i bought it to tell them about my image problem, they were very perplexed about it and told me just to bring it in sense i am still in the 30 day warrenty. i took it back to CC this morning but they didnt have any in stock as they arent carrying it anymore.

i havent called Samsung yet about this problem as the warrenty doesnt cover burn-ins however this is very strange, btw i kept the contrast and brightness at 60 and 50(out of 100) each and use super saving on the energy option.

also, i began to get this IR(on the top left corner) the next day i bought a hometheatre system which was a week after i bought the TV, i tried running the burn-in protection software which is installed with the TV(pixel shift is on and i ran signal shift on for an hour on friday) which worked for the logo when i first noticed it but left a faint image of the channel display(which there is no way of turning it off when changing channels unless you press exit the second the channel is turned). Now one of the CC salesmen told that my speakers might be the problem as i have the left and right speaker right next to the TV and center on top of the panel stand and today i uninstalled the speakers and i am using the TVs speakers for now as i muted them when i bought the sound system, i'll probably install the speakers on my wall

this is giving me a headache as i thought i was doing everything right, can anyone help me with this, i will call samsung about it tomarrow as today is sunday, any help will be greatly appreciated, thanks in advanced
post #2799 of 2990
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy345 View Post

hello, i am new to this forum and before i bought my plasma HDTV, i did all the research neccassary and the burn-in precautions i got the most info from was this thread

well here is my troubling story...

so i bought the Samsung 42 inch Plasma (HPS4253X)(at CC) on Feb.19 and this past friday i noticed the ugliest IR but what it was from surprised me, it is from the channel display our digital cable has(its IO digital cable from cablevision). Now this isnt the first IR i have had. On the top left side, i get it from watching soccer games, basically only the white letters stayed this goes away after about three hours of normal viewing however the same channel ,sometimes the channel shows its logo on the right side and i could watch the entire game(45 minutes per half) without any IR leaving behind on the right side

now coming back to the problem, most of the IR from the channel display went away except the area where the diagonal buttons are shown is still there, you could only see it however when bright vivid colors are shown on the display(the diagonal buttons shown is white)

yesturday, i went to CC where i bought it to tell them about my image problem, they were very perplexed about it and told me just to bring it in sense i am still in the 30 day warrenty. i took it back to CC this morning but they didnt have any in stock as they arent carrying it anymore.

i havent called Samsung yet about this problem as the warrenty doesnt cover burn-ins however this is very strange, btw i kept the contrast and brightness at 60 and 50(out of 100) each and use super saving on the energy option.

also, i began to get this IR(on the top left corner) the next day i bought a hometheatre system which was a week after i bought the TV, i tried running the burn-in protection software which is installed with the TV(pixel shift is on and i ran signal shift on for an hour on friday) which worked for the logo when i first noticed it but left a faint image of the channel display(which there is no way of turning it off when changing channels unless you press exit the second the channel is turned). Now one of the CC salesmen told that my speakers might be the problem as i have the left and right speaker right next to the TV and center on top of the panel stand and today i uninstalled the speakers and i am using the TVs speakers for now as i muted them when i bought the sound system, i'll probably install the speakers on my wall

this is giving me a headache as i thought i was doing everything right, can anyone help me with this, i will call samsung about it tomarrow as today is sunday, any help will be greatly appreciated, thanks in advanced

Speakers? Never heard that before. Why the heck did he blame them?
post #2800 of 2990
Speakers can disrupt CRT displays.

If you want to stick with plasma, use the break in DVD whenever your TV isn't being watched during the 200 hours or so.

That's the least headache involving advice I can give you. If the headache is too much, I'd get an LCD.
post #2801 of 2990
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arito View Post

Hi,

I got my Pio 427XA yesterday and played a bit of Oblivion on my Xbox 360 with it today. I guess it was about 5 to 6 hours (I now realize that was pretty stupid). I thought I had my settings turned down, but apparently they were only turned down for the regular tv channels and not the alternate input channels (scart, hdmi, component). So, you guessed it, whenever there is no signal on my tv I can see some bars in the lower left corner and something in the bottom of the screen. I am 99% sure this is from the game I played today. I can only see it if I'm right on it, not when I'm a couple of feet away, and also not when there something else playing.

Does any one have enough information to determine if this is IR or burn-in? And either way, is there something I could do about it?

Thanks,

For what it's worth, this was resolved pretty quickly. I get pretty bad IR whenever I play a long gaming session (5+ hours), but after a couple of hours of other stuff it fades away.
post #2802 of 2990
I just got a TH-42px60u and noticed some burn in tonight after playing video games. One screen was left on for 25 minutes when I got a drink and is most visible. The way I noticed it was when I cut the signal to the TV but left the TV on. You could clearly see the writing and read it and see menus.
So i came here and started reading and watched the news at the same time. After 20 minutes of the news I cut the signal to the TV again and saw not only my game menus but just about every menu/banner the news broadcast during that 20 minutes. some only being up 5 minutes. The 'local 6' square in the left corner is clear as day.

I then started changing channels and one channel on my cable system is just gray and I could not see any burn in whatsoever.

I noticed some of the lettering fading already.(15 minutes later)
I can't see burn in when I'm watching something even if it is a very dark scene.

So my question, is cutting the signal to the tv but leaving the tv on a good way to check for burn in? Or is that image I see something else?
I noticed others have said they see burn in when they turn their cable box off, pretty much what I'm doing turning the selector on my receiver. And I was curious if that is actually 'burn in'.

PS:My Dell lcd computer monitor has burn in of a 'lego star wars screensaver', of all things, that you can see faintly when looking at a dark picture or something dark. It's been there nearly a year since I turned that darn screensaver off. That seems different from the burn in I'm seeing on the panasonic which led me to my above question.
post #2803 of 2990
alrighty
post #2804 of 2990
Sometimes when I turn off my tv while watching a tv show the last frame of that show appears on my screen once the tv is off. This was very apparent one night when I turned it off and saw a scene from Futurama and could make out all the characters on the screen. This really freaks me out becuase it was not a static image! The images have all gone away but it seems my tv has image rentention very very fast. If I play a video game, or watch tv with a logo in the corner, even after 10 minutes the image retention shows up if I cut the signal to whatever I am watching.

Someone replied to my other post and said my settings may be to hot but I HAVE ALL MY PICTURE SETTINGS (Picture, Contrast, Brightness, Everything) SET AT 0.

I have a panny 42px60u, is there anyway to make sure my pixel shifter/orbiter is working. I can not find anything about it in the settings menu on the tv. Is it possible there is something wrong with my tv?
iThe Plasma is under warranty, if you have any ideas or thoughts please help!

Thanks
post #2805 of 2990
Hi everyone,
I'm new to avs and i love all the great advice i find on the site. I have a Pioneer 4270 and I have a TSNHD logo in the botom right of my set. I really hope it's not burn in. I have followed the break in settings recomended on this site and also have never had TSNHD on for more than 3 hours at a time (including comercials) Will this break in dvd help my set remove the burn in/IR. I have had the set since November and it probaly get's watched about 4-5 hrs a day.

Has anyone used the Pixel Protector dvd?

Any help would be greatly appriciated.

Thanks so much
post #2806 of 2990
I just got my Panny Last Monday and so far I have put 45 hours into it everything at zero I have seen movies, HD Discovery theater, cartoon network for the kids with the logo on the bottom and disney channel with the logo on the bottom for 1 hour at a time just the lenght of the show...no burn in and no IR at all....I will be using the TV like this for the nex 150 hours then crank the picture and brightness a little more....so far I have been enjoying without Fear...
post #2807 of 2990
Quote:
Originally Posted by BTex68 View Post

I just got a TH-42px60u and noticed some burn in tonight after playing video games. One screen was left on for 25 minutes when I got a drink and is most visible. The way I noticed it was when I cut the signal to the TV but left the TV on. You could clearly see the writing and read it and see menus.
So i came here and started reading and watched the news at the same time. After 20 minutes of the news I cut the signal to the TV again and saw not only my game menus but just about every menu/banner the news broadcast during that 20 minutes. some only being up 5 minutes. The 'local 6' square in the left corner is clear as day.

I then started changing channels and one channel on my cable system is just gray and I could not see any burn in whatsoever.

I noticed some of the lettering fading already.(15 minutes later)
I can't see burn in when I'm watching something even if it is a very dark scene.

So my question, is cutting the signal to the tv but leaving the tv on a good way to check for burn in? Or is that image I see something else?
I noticed others have said they see burn in when they turn their cable box off, pretty much what I'm doing turning the selector on my receiver. And I was curious if that is actually 'burn in'.

PS:My Dell lcd computer monitor has burn in of a 'lego star wars screensaver', of all things, that you can see faintly when looking at a dark picture or something dark. It's been there nearly a year since I turned that darn screensaver off. That seems different from the burn in I'm seeing on the panasonic which led me to my above question.

Replace every time you said "burn in" with "image retention" and that's a start.
post #2808 of 2990
Quote:
Originally Posted by StinDaWg View Post

Replace every time you said "burn in" with "image retention" and that's a start.

Amen!

Burn-in potential has been reduced so low by manufacturers that the word "burn-in" should be archived and no longer used. Only thing I can think of that should be able to use the word are companies, corporations, tv stations, airports, etc that keep the same image on the screen forever! People watching tv, playing video games, and using the PC on their tvs are not experiencing burn-in but instead image retention which will go away.

Image Retention - will go away over time
Burn In - will never go away and is very rare - unless you own a tv station or an airport
post #2809 of 2990
Everybody keeps saying that Burn in is not a problem with newer plasma's but I can't seem to get rid of my IR/Burn. I have over 1000 hrs on the set, I have followed breakin settings from day one, watching everything in strech to fill the screen. I watched the NHL all star game about 4 months ago and I now have a TSNHD logo on the bottom right of my screen. Nothing I do seems to help it. People say it will eventually go away, but eventually could be a long time. I can't believe that it's so fragile. It's a Pioneer PDP4270 and nothing I do seems to help it.

Does anyone have any ideas or recomendations on a fix/repair.

Becuase it's a bummer I can't use my set without worry.
post #2810 of 2990
Quote:
Originally Posted by LithiumKid View Post

Everybody keeps saying that Burn in is not a problem with newer plasma's but I can't seem to get rid of my IR/Burn. I have over 1000 hrs on the set, I have followed breakin settings from day one, watching everything in strech to fill the screen. I watched the NHL all star game about 4 months ago and I now have a TSNHD logo on the bottom right of my screen. Nothing I do seems to help it. People say it will eventually go away, but eventually could be a long time. I can't believe that it's so fragile. It's a Pioneer PDP4270 and nothing I do seems to help it.

Does anyone have any ideas or recomendations on a fix/repair.

Becuase it's a bummer I can't use my set without worry.

I have a newer Pioneer too. Didn't follow break in settings to much. No IR/Burn in. I play video games for hours (the same game for hours). No IR/Burn in. We watch movies, some widescreen with bars, we watch 2 hour shows with a logo. No IR/Burn in.

What I am saying this for is that it is a lot harder to get IR on these newer plasma sets. How long did you watch the NHL game? Was it near the beginning of the set when it was new?
post #2811 of 2990
Quote:
Originally Posted by BTex68 View Post

I just got a TH-42px60u and noticed some burn in tonight after playing video games. One screen was left on for 25 minutes when I got a drink and is most visible. The way I noticed it was when I cut the signal to the TV but left the TV on. You could clearly see the writing and read it and see menus.
So i came here and started reading and watched the news at the same time. After 20 minutes of the news I cut the signal to the TV again and saw not only my game menus but just about every menu/banner the news broadcast during that 20 minutes. some only being up 5 minutes. The 'local 6' square in the left corner is clear as day.

I then started changing channels and one channel on my cable system is just gray and I could not see any burn in whatsoever.

I noticed some of the lettering fading already.(15 minutes later)
I can't see burn in when I'm watching something even if it is a very dark scene.

So my question, is cutting the signal to the tv but leaving the tv on a good way to check for burn in? Or is that image I see something else?
I noticed others have said they see burn in when they turn their cable box off, pretty much what I'm doing turning the selector on my receiver. And I was curious if that is actually 'burn in'.

PS:My Dell lcd computer monitor has burn in of a 'lego star wars screensaver', of all things, that you can see faintly when looking at a dark picture or something dark. It's been there nearly a year since I turned that darn screensaver off. That seems different from the burn in I'm seeing on the panasonic which led me to my above question.


I HAVE THE SAME EXACT TV AND AFTER PLAYING UNO ON XBOX 360 for an HOUR, i shut off my xbox and noticed how the UNO screen still remanined on the tv. How can we tell if this is just JUST IR or burn-in. I went to bed and 8 hrs later turned on the tv without a signal and noticed that the UNO image was still there. Should I be concerned that this is burn-in or is it just IR?
post #2812 of 2990
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyboy42 View Post

I HAVE THE SAME EXACT TV AND AFTER PLAYING UNO ON XBOX 360 for an HOUR, i shut off my xbox and noticed how the UNO screen still remanined on the tv. How can we tell if this is just JUST IR or burn-in. I went to bed and 8 hrs later turned on the tv without a signal and noticed that the UNO image was still there. Should I be concerned that this is burn-in or is it just IR?

Play other moving content on your tv and see if it disappears after an hour or two or as long as it takes. It should go away. With the tv off it will not excite the phosphors so any IR will not disappear.
post #2813 of 2990
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kr8z1 View Post

Play other moving content on your tv and see if it disappears after an hour or two or as long as it takes. It should go away. With the tv off it will not excite the phosphors so any IR will not disappear.

what type of moving content?

I actually heard that you could use the SNOW IMAGE your tv displays when the cable is not plugged in to help take away IR or burn in. Has anyone else heard the same thing?
post #2814 of 2990
Anything with motion such as regular tv shows, dvd movies, etc. Anything that is not static (non-moving).
post #2815 of 2990
Quote:
Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

I have a newer Pioneer too. Didn't follow break in settings to much. No IR/Burn in. I play video games for hours (the same game for hours). No IR/Burn in. We watch movies, some widescreen with bars, we watch 2 hour shows with a logo. No IR/Burn in.

What I am saying this for is that it is a lot harder to get IR on these newer plasma sets. How long did you watch the NHL game? Was it near the beginning of the set when it was new?


I watched the all star game ( around 3 hours ) but was flipping channels in between breaks, so nothing was on there for a really long period. I was following break in settings.

I don't get it. I'm really dissipointed. I have had iceage playing for 15hrs straight and no change.
post #2816 of 2990
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kr8z1 View Post

Amen!

Burn-in potential has been reduced so low by manufacturers that the word "burn-in" should be archived and no longer used. Only thing I can think of that should be able to use the word are companies, corporations, tv stations, airports, etc that keep the same image on the screen forever! People watching tv, playing video games, and using the PC on their tvs are not experiencing burn-in but instead image retention which will go away.

Image Retention - will go away over time
Burn In - will never go away and is very rare - unless you own a tv station or an airport

thanks for the reply. Still deciding if I'm going to keep it or not. the picture is great tho. the image retention (thanks for clarifying) doesn't bother me since I can't see it when there is a picture on screen, even if it's dark.

burn in may be rare but it happens. Like I said about the "screensaver" I had running on my dell lcd. It was on there everyday for about 3 months and that was all it took. now I have a "lego star wars" emblem permanantly burned in near the bottom of the screen.
so um...don't leave the same image on for 3 months
post #2817 of 2990
Quote:
Originally Posted by LithiumKid View Post

I watched the all star game ( around 3 hours ) but was flipping channels in between breaks, so nothing was on there for a really long period. I was following break in settings.

I don't get it. I'm really dissipointed. I have had iceage playing for 15hrs straight and no change.

3 Hours straight of one, bright image, on a non-broke in Plasma is probably what did it. Flipping the channel on commercials didn't help. Those cells where charged with that color for a long time, it would take at least that amount of time or more on a different channel to counter the effects. Going to another channel on commercial didn't help or didn't give those cells enough time to change. If the set was broke in for awhile, 3 hours wouldn't be a problem, but if this was in the beginning that is what did it.
post #2818 of 2990
Quote:
Originally Posted by LithiumKid View Post

I watched the all star game ( around 3 hours ) but was flipping channels in between breaks, so nothing was on there for a really long period. I was following break in settings.

I don't get it. I'm really dissipointed. I have had iceage playing for 15hrs straight and no change.

3 Hours straight of one, bright image, on a non-broke in Plasma is probably what did it. Flipping the channel on commercials didn't help. Those cells where charged with that color for a long time, it would take at least that amount of time or more on a different channel to counter the effects. Going to another channel on commercial didn't help or didn't give those cells enough time to change. If the set was broke in for awhile, 3 hours wouldn't be a problem, but if this was in the beginning that is what did it.
post #2819 of 2990
Quote:
Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

3 Hours straight of one, bright image, on a non-broke in Plasma is probably what did it. Flipping the channel on commercials didn't help. Those cells where charged with that color for a long time, it would take at least that amount of time or more on a different channel to counter the effects. Going to another channel on commercial didn't help or didn't give those cells enough time to change. If the set was broke in for awhile, 3 hours wouldn't be a problem, but if this was in the beginning that is what did it.


I can't believe that the TV would respond like that. All the settings were at break in levels and nothing else was changed. So is their any way of reparing it. I have heard many people place a static white image on the screen made in photoshop or a draw program and burn that image into the display.
I really don't want to do that But if that is what I have to do to remove the TSNHD image from my screen, then I will do so.

Any recomendations???
post #2820 of 2990
Quote:
Originally Posted by LithiumKid View Post

I can't believe that the TV would respond like that. All the settings were at break in levels and nothing else was changed. So is their any way of reparing it. I have heard many people place a static white image on the screen made in photoshop or a draw program and burn that image into the display.
I really don't want to do that But if that is what I have to do to remove the TSNHD image from my screen, then I will do so.

Any recomendations???

Full screen HD content for as long as you can (or I heard the break in DVD does good, but haven't used it myself).
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