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post #2821 of 2990
Use the break in DVD, juice up your color/brightness/constrast (not necessarly max, but high), and run it full screen. Depending on what settings you watched the Allstar game, and how old your TV was (in hours viewed), you will have to run the break in DVD from anywhere from 15 hours to 150 hours.

It will NOT cure itself if you just leave it off for awhile. You MUST run SOMETHING.

It will become nearly invisible, but you'll need patience. You can watch anything you want while you do this curing, just run the break in DVD whenever your TV isn't being watched. Whatever you do watch, I'd use middle, or reduced settings. The break in DVD should be on high.

It took me about 300 hours of mixed viewing/break in DVD to remove my N3 IR (which is 95% gone.)
post #2822 of 2990
Can't believe some of you are all having problems. I've had my plasma for a week now and have been watching espn with the ticker, letterboxed movies, all kinds of stuff at 60% brightness and 75% contrast and not a hint of IR. And I have a cheap Sylvania EDTV!
post #2823 of 2990
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Originally Posted by StinDaWg View Post

Can't believe some of you are all having problems. I've had my plasma for a week now and have been watching espn with the ticker, letterboxed movies, all kinds of stuff at 60% brightness and 75% contrast and not a hint of IR. And I have a cheap Sylvania EDTV!

If that is in fact your watching habits of the panel for only a week you are going to be in for a rude awakening when you have the panel fully broke in and then BAM! you have the espn logo. Just b/c you don't see it right now doesn't mean it isn't there. Run a SOLID white screen to see if it is there yet. Remember, the panel is being broken in right now and is MOST vulnerable to IR as soon as it is broke in.
post #2824 of 2990
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Originally Posted by 996911 View Post

Remember, the panel is being broken in right now and is MOST vulnerable to IR as soon as it is broke in.

Where did you get this info? From all the research I've done, it is just the opposite.

The set is MOST vulnerable to IR before it is broke in, within the first 100-200 hrs (some say even longer up to 1000 hrs). This is of course if you subscribe to the necessary break-in theory.
post #2825 of 2990
Jeff. ...that is EXACTLY what I just said. Not sure why you think otherwise. You are just not comprehending the semantics of my sentence. I stated that b/c he is in the break-in period he is most vulnerable to IR and he would see that result AS SOON AS IT IS BROKE IN.
post #2826 of 2990
I guess it was this "...is MOST vulnerable to IR as soon as it is broke in" that threw me. Sounds to me like you were saying it is most vulnerable to IR after (or "as soon as") it is broken in. Could probably have been worded differently, but thanks for clarifying.
post #2827 of 2990
Yeah, my wording sucks now that I re-read it. As long as we know now what I meant. Last thing I wanted to do was give bad info but I gotta run as my hook on phonics lesson is calling
post #2828 of 2990
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

Full screen HD content for as long as you can (or I heard the break in DVD does good, but haven't used it myself).

I have had it on full screen and plan to keep it on full.

Thanks for all your insight William.

Cheers.
post #2829 of 2990
Hello
I just recently purchased a Samsung HP-T4254 Plasma Television and I am only running the break in DVD for the first two hundred hours. I have read different methods of t.v settings for high contrast to low contrast. Currently my setting are
Contrast 40 out of 100
Brightness 10 out of 100
Sharpness 10 out of 100
Color 20 out of 100
Tint is 50 out of 100

In your knowledgeable opinions do these settings make sense and if not what would you recommended
I am moving out to my apartment on the 27th of April so I will run the break in DVD until then.
post #2830 of 2990
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Originally Posted by 996911 View Post

If that is in fact your watching habits of the panel for only a week you are going to be in for a rude awakening when you have the panel fully broke in and then BAM! you have the espn logo. Just b/c you don't see it right now doesn't mean it isn't there. Run a SOLID white screen to see if it is there yet. Remember, the panel is being broken in right now and is MOST vulnerable to IR as soon as it is broke in.

Riiiiiiight This is laughable although I will check back in with you in a month to confirm I have no burn in. I've had it for 2 weeks now about 140 hours and no problems whatsoever.
post #2831 of 2990
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Originally Posted by StinDaWg View Post

Riiiiiiight This is laughable although I will check back in with you in a month to confirm I have no burn in. I've had it for 2 weeks now about 140 hours and no problems whatsoever.

Take it as laughable or whatever you want. I really don't care. But if that is how you watch your tv for the beginning break-in hours then just be warned. It is not a brand thing but rather a technology thing. If you do keep your watching like that and then report back there is not a trace or IR then you are either (a) telling a fib about your watching habits and break-in habits; or (b) too damn embarrased to post that the IR has smacked you a good one.
post #2832 of 2990
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Originally Posted by 996911 View Post

Take it as laughable or whatever you want. I really don't care. But if that is how you watch your tv for the beginning break-in hours then just be warned. It is not a brand thing but rather a technology thing. If you do keep your watching like that and then report back there is not a trace or IR then you are either (a) telling a fib about your watching habits and break-in habits; or (b) too damn embarrased to post that the IR has smacked you a good one.

What's your deal? If this was true there would be a mass flood of consumers returning their plasmas to the stores. You know how many millions of people watch ESPN? Don't worry about me I will continue to watch tv as I like.
post #2833 of 2990
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Originally Posted by StinDaWg View Post

What's your deal? If this was true there would be a mass flood of consumers returning their plasmas to the stores. You know how many millions of people watch ESPN? Don't worry about me I will continue to watch tv as I like.


Watch it as you like but don't take everything so personal. Did somebody piss in your cheerios this morning? Let it go. If you don't want to believe that IR can happen to you then so be it--ignorance is bliss. Just don't come posting here in the future trying to figure out how to remedy it or what recourse you have the manufacturer.....not after the attitude you have shown here. It's easy to hide behind a keyboard and be mister toughguy.

Maybe you should read up on exactly what IR is and how is happens. All I said was that the watching habits you explained and the age of the set you are just asking for IR. Didn't say you have it nor wish it upon you, just explained what is the SCIENCE behind this technology.
post #2834 of 2990
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Originally Posted by StinDaWg View Post

What's your deal? If this was true there would be a mass flood of consumers returning their plasmas to the stores. You know how many millions of people watch ESPN? Don't worry about me I will continue to watch tv as I like.

This should support a break in. "When phosphors are fresh, they burn more intensely as they are ignited. This means that relatively new plasma display TVs are prone to "ghosting", which occurs when on-screen images appear to stay on the screen belatedly. This is a function of the high intensity with which new phosphors "pop," and this phenomenon usually "washes out" on its own, as the screen displays subsequent images." "Our advice is to reduce the contrast setting to 50% or less for the first 200 hours of use. And, be sure to avail yourself of your plasma's anti-burn-in features. "
"http://www.*******************.com/plasmatv/plasmatv-burnin.html
post #2835 of 2990
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Originally Posted by Nmlobo View Post

This should support a break in. "When phosphors are fresh, they burn more intensely as they are ignited. This means that relatively new plasma display TVs are prone to "ghosting", which occurs when on-screen images appear to stay on the screen belatedly. This is a function of the high intensity with which new phosphors "pop," and this phenomenon usually "washes out" on its own, as the screen displays subsequent images." "Our advice is to reduce the contrast setting to 50% or less for the first 200 hours of use. And, be sure to avail yourself of your plasma's anti-burn-in features. "
"http://www.*******************.com/plasmatv/plasmatv-burnin.html

That's great, but I have no problems the way I'm using my set so I will continue to use it like I want and not obsess over the stupid burn in talk.
post #2836 of 2990
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Originally Posted by 996911 View Post

Watch it as you like but don't take everything so personal. Did somebody piss in your cheerios this morning? Let it go. If you don't want to believe that IR can happen to you then so be it--ignorance is bliss. Just don't come posting here in the future trying to figure out how to remedy it or what recourse you have the manufacturer.....not after the attitude you have shown here. It's easy to hide behind a keyboard and be mister toughguy.

Maybe you should read up on exactly what IR is and how is happens. All I said was that the watching habits you explained and the age of the set you are just asking for IR. Didn't say you have it nor wish it upon you, just explained what is the SCIENCE behind this technology.

I know all about it, and believe me I have done plenty of research before I bought a plasma. You seem to take pleasure in suggesting that I will ruin my tv, when I clearly have experienced no IR at all in over 2 weeks. If you don't believe that I've had no IR then honestly what do I care? I don't watch ESPN 24/7 but I watch it 3-5 hours a day and watch some movies with black bars it's really not a big deal. My set also has a pixel shift feature that moves the screen around every 10 minutes which I use. This whole IR, Burn-in thing is blown way out of proportion IMHO.
post #2837 of 2990
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Originally Posted by StinDaWg View Post

I know all about it, and believe me I have done plenty of research before I bought a plasma. You seem to take pleasure in suggesting that I will ruin my tv, when I clearly have experienced no IR at all in over 2 weeks. If you don't believe that I've had no IR then honestly what do I care? I don't watch ESPN 24/7 but I watch it 3-5 hours a day and watch some movies with black bars it's really not a big deal. My set also has a pixel shift feature that moves the screen around every 10 minutes which I use. This whole IR, Burn-in thing is blown way out of proportion IMHO.

As I have repeatedly said, I do not wish IR on anybody, yes including you. You really fail to read and understand what people are trying to tell you. It seems as though you enjoy being argumentative. If you did in fact do all the research you claim then you would know the difference b/t IR and burn-in. What I have been trying to tell you is that with your viewing habits you WILL have IR issues. 5 hours of ESPN a day (especially in the break-in period) is just a recipe for disappiontment in the future. It's not a qustion of if, but rather when. Listen, have fun, enjoy your set, and I sincerely hope you never have any issues. But ignoring what the pros and cons of this technology is just plain ignorant.

BTW, pixel shift doesn't move the ESPN logo 100 pixels up and 100 pixels over so that argument is lost.

Time to unsubscribe to this thread. Cheers.
post #2838 of 2990
This thread might help plasma owners, but it's certainly not going to help plasma market share.

I left the SXRD discussions due to a number of reasons, and for the first time seriously started considering plasma because the prices are finally becoming reasonable. And, I read that Panasonic had essentially eliminated burn-in.

Well, what've learned in 95 pages is that while burn-in is essentially gone, image retention is a troublesome feature of the plasma technology. Because I plan on not only watching DVR, but also heavily using my Vista Media Center and Xbox 360, I do not feel plasma is the right technology for me. There are just too many worries associated with any kind of viewing outside of standard full-screen television usage.

About every 10 posts, there is a "ray of hope" for people like me -- someone who says that they do anything they want on their plasmas, and have never seen burn-in or IR, ever. But 1/10th success rate isn't very good odds. It almost appears as though it's a lottery -- some plasmas somehow are much more resistant than others. Either that, or members of the IR camp or the no-IR camp are misleading us, intentionally or not.

Plasma has the best picture available today. And I was really looking forward to my 2007 1080p 58" Panasonic plasma in the next couple of months.

Now it appears that I'm going to have to go back to SXRD technology (where I can watch 4:3 OAR shows with black bars, play Xbox as much as I like, and enjoy the static "now playing" screens on Media Center for hours without butterflies in my stomach).

Back to the greed blob, sse, poor viewing angles, unnatural saturation of colors, and other problems inherent to SXRD technology. Worse, I'm going to have to wait until the fall for the XBR3s to come out, since I can't stand the dumbo ears on the current XBR2 set.

So, not only do I have to compromise, but I have to wait 6-10 months for the next generation SXRDs to come out. What a complete bummer. From multiple perspectives.

If IR truly isn't a big issue, then this thread is a huge disservice to people who have yet to buy their set. It clearly indicates that plasma is not appropriate technology for non-standard-TV/movie enjoyment.
post #2839 of 2990
I would just get the plasma Jon, I can only do some much to state that I have never had any burn in or IR problems on my "cheap" Sylvania plasma. If you are so worried why don't you just buy it from somewhere that has a 30 day return policy so you can try it out for yourself? If for some reason you get burn in (you won't) then just take it back.
post #2840 of 2990
Well, that's a good idea StinDaWg. However, retail prices for the new Panny 58" units are going to be astronomical vs. online. That's the rub.

Otherwise, you're right, the best thing to do is to try it myself to see how really bad it is for my usage. But, I don't think that's going to be practical because retailers have a 15% restocking fee and they're crazy-expensive near me.

For instance, the 58600U is sold retail here for $3900 while I can get it online for $2700. That's quite a difference -- and I want the new 1080p plasmas. Can you imagine how much they'll be retail?
post #2841 of 2990
Set your contrast and brightness higher for the first 200 hrs...you want to age the phosohers, the brighter they are the quicker they age, the lower the settings the longer it takes to break in the tv,,,,i run the break in dvd, but have my settings high...80 percent contrast and brightness.
post #2842 of 2990
Well, I have not had a problem with IR until recently when Guitar Hero2 was released for the 360. I have been trying to get rid of the score meter on the bottom left for around a week now. I can barely see it, but its there, and I can only see it on white or light colored scenes. The sad part is, I see it and I look for it. It really sucks because I love this tv (42" Samsung) and do does the wife. We purchased a Vizio LCD before this and had it for a few weeks and were really not happy with the PQ of it.

I have left all white on all night, test pattern on all night, and left Discovery HD and HDNet on all night and while it seems a little more faint, its still there.

My wife is now playing this game and really into it so its not like we can just stop playing it. Also it is not played for more than a few hours at a time.

I am just a little paranoid and upset about it. I don't think I want to settle for anything less than a plasma, of course I could go DLP and replace a bulb every few years and have new picture but who wants to mess with that?
post #2843 of 2990
I thought HDMI connection you can not adjust anything with this monitor. What did you use and how did you do it.
post #2844 of 2990
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Originally Posted by wilson10 View Post

My wife is now playing this game and really into it so its not like we can just stop playing it. Also it is not played for more than a few hours at a time.

I am just a little paranoid and upset about it. I don't think I want to settle for anything less than a plasma, of course I could go DLP and replace a bulb every few years and have new picture but who wants to mess with that?

The paranoia will fade with time.

You can keep playing the game, just keep running overnight cycles of Discovery, White Patterns, or the break-in DVD to balance it out.

As long as you both are crazed about GH2, you'll probably have some faint IR. There's really no way getting around that until your panel has aged considerably. Just keep the overnight cycles going, they'll make it much easier for the Ir to fade for good once your GH2 craze is over.
post #2845 of 2990
you guys think i will have a problem watching NBA playoffs on tnt in HD(the score tracker) and i f i do get IR, how long do you think it will go away?

Edit:i bought my tv on feb.21 and it average viewing is at about 7-10 hours a day, for the first two months, i ran everything at 50 with contrast at 60, right now its at 70 with brightness at 45 sharpness 30

edit2:for some reason i get IR on whites but any other color is fine, it does go away shortly after some normal viewing however i wonder why it would do this, also it a Samsung PDP hp-s4353 set
post #2846 of 2990
I have a Panasonic TH50PH9UK and I love it but I do feel like I'm walking on eggs shells trying not to destroy it. I want to use it as my primary display for my PC. I like the large screen and I can watch TV in a PIP window and it is great I can get my work done, watch TV from my STB, watch DVD, etc.

I have setup a screen saver and I have cleared all the icons from the desktop (except recycle bin, which I frequently move around) I have my task bar set to auto hide to try to minimize the time it is on the screen. However, whatever windows application I'm using usually has menu bars and frames, status bars, etc that will remain static while I'm using the application.

What else can I do to minimize the chance of burn in (besides turn down the contrast and brightness), would transparency help, are there any programs, themes, etc that could vary the display (at a pixel level)?

Also, could someone explain to me how a breaking-in a plasma helps prevent burn-in. If burn-in is just uneven aging of pixels then it should always be possible? How much of a break-in period would be enough, I've heard from 100 hours all the way to 1000 hours? Is there a definitive, authoritative answer to this or is it just speculative and/or dependent on specific model, brand, etc?

Thanks
-Mark
post #2847 of 2990
I've been thinking about picking up the Hitachi P50H401 and I can't help but notice that no where does it mention anything that would prevent burn in. I'll be doing a fair amount of gaming on this set and now I'm wondering if I may have some burn in issues.
post #2848 of 2990
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Originally Posted by Lodrin View Post

The paranoia will fade with time.

You can keep playing the game, just keep running overnight cycles of Discovery, White Patterns, or the break-in DVD to balance it out.

As long as you both are crazed about GH2, you'll probably have some faint IR. There's really no way getting around that until your panel has aged considerably. Just keep the overnight cycles going, they'll make it much easier for the Ir to fade for good once your GH2 craze is over.

Thanks for the words of encouragement. NEITHER of us wanted to return this for a sub standard (our standards for PQ that is) LCD. I checked the other night and we have 538 hrs on the set . This is since mid/late March. On another note, looks like my 360 is taking a crap and is going back for repairs, so this should give the tv a little break.
post #2849 of 2990
I'm considering buying a Pio 4270. I'm concerned about the burn in issue when I watch sports and they have the score at the top or bottom depending on your team.

I looked but did not find the answer here so I'm asking.

How long is the burn in period before I can stop changing channels during commercials ? Any secrets to preventing the burn in ?

THX from San Diego
post #2850 of 2990
ive had my 42" 9uk model for almost two weeks now. Ive played several games, but no more than an hour at a time, probably more like 30 to 40 minutes. I have been very careful about what is on the screen.

I did however watch de'javu with the black bars on the top and bottom last night. After watching the movie I switched to an unused input. I did still see the black bars. But only for a few seconds. Once I changed to a normal channel for a few minutes they were completely gone.

This did freak me out a little bit though. So I will continue to exercise caution for a few more weeks. I think im only at about 50 hrs right now. I will always stay on the defensive side with the plasma but hopefully after a couple hundred hours I can relax a little bit more.
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