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post #2851 of 2990
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Originally Posted by JonDeutsch View Post

Well, that's a good idea StinDaWg. However, retail prices for the new Panny 58" units are going to be astronomical vs. online. That's the rub.

Otherwise, you're right, the best thing to do is to try it myself to see how really bad it is for my usage. But, I don't think that's going to be practical because retailers have a 15% restocking fee and they're crazy-expensive near me.

For instance, the 58600U is sold retail here for $3900 while I can get it online for $2700. That's quite a difference -- and I want the new 1080p plasmas. Can you imagine how much they'll be retail?

There is a simple answer here that many miss; just buy the set at retail for whatever they charge and use it for 29 days. if you have any problems it goes back. if you DON'T have any problems, it goes back anyway and THEN you buy it from an online retailer at reduced cost. Obviously you need a retailer with no restocking fees and unconditional return policy (like BB or CC).
post #2852 of 2990
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Originally Posted by Cowgirlinthesand View Post

There is a simple answer here that many miss; just buy the set at retail for whatever they charge and use it for 29 days. if you have any problems it goes back. if you DON'T have any problems, it goes back anyway and THEN you buy it from an online retailer at reduced cost. Obviously you need a retailer with no restocking fees and unconditional return policy (like BB or CC).

All well and good. But I have an ethical issue with this approach. Sorry, I just do.
post #2853 of 2990
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Originally Posted by terminatorbob View Post

ive had my 42" 9uk model for almost two weeks now. Ive played several games, but no more than an hour at a time, probably more like 30 to 40 minutes. I have been very careful about what is on the screen.

I did however watch de'javu with the black bars on the top and bottom last night. After watching the movie I switched to an unused input. I did still see the black bars. But only for a few seconds. Once I changed to a normal channel for a few minutes they were completely gone.

This did freak me out a little bit though. So I will continue to exercise caution for a few more weeks. I think im only at about 50 hrs right now. I will always stay on the defensive side with the plasma but hopefully after a couple hundred hours I can relax a little bit more.

I've got over 2200 hours on my 600u and we also just watched Deja Vu and the black bars were still noticeable on my set as well. They don't last long but there doesn't seem to be much difference between 50 and 2200 hours...
post #2854 of 2990
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Originally Posted by bbonds View Post

I've got over 2200 hours on my 600u and we also just watched Deja Vu and the black bars were still noticeable on my set as well. They don't last long but there doesn't seem to be much difference between 50 and 2200 hours...

When you say "noticeable," can you define this? When watching normal TV? When looking at the screen 2" away on black or white? or what?

Thanks,
post #2855 of 2990
sorry, my set is wall mounted and I sit about 10-12 feet away from a 50" screen. we watched the movie at night so the room was completely dark. My wife (who is electronically challenged) even noticed what I was explaining "this is why we don't watch black bars". the tv was on the input for the DVD player but I had turned the DVD player off, so it was a blank black screen. you could clearly see the difference in "black" between where the movie had been on the screen and the black bars. after I put the tv back on the stb input and watched a few minutes of full screen material the lines went away.
post #2856 of 2990
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Originally Posted by bbonds View Post

..."this is why we don't watch black bars"
...and watched a few minutes of full screen material the lines went away.

This is what I really don't understand. You (and others) don't want to watch material with black bars around it, even though you know the IR will go away.

Not trying to pick you out (you just happened to be the latest post I've seen here), and you may actually be ok with getting IR knowing it'll go away, but from the way you talk you are scared of IR....and it's not just you that is scared.

It really makes me wonder why people are so scared to watch movies, etc in it's given aspect ratio because they are so scared of getting IR!? Especially when there is an over-abundance of testimony here that it will go away.
post #2857 of 2990
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Originally Posted by bbonds View Post

sorry, my set is wall mounted and I sit about 10-12 feet away from a 50" screen. we watched the movie at night so the room was completely dark. My wife (who is electronically challenged) even noticed what I was explaining "this is why we don't watch black bars". the tv was on the input for the DVD player but I had turned the DVD player off, so it was a blank black screen. you could clearly see the difference in "black" between where the movie had been on the screen and the black bars. after I put the tv back on the stb input and watched a few minutes of full screen material the lines went away.

OK, I need to dig further. When you say that after a few minutes the lines went away... does that mean that for the first few minutes of watching normal TV that you saw a difference in brightness on the top and bottom of the screen? Or do you meant that if you went back to "black" you'd see them again?

I'm looking to see whether this IR phenomenon is something that is readily seen while watching content, or is it something that is technically there and easily seen but only when there is pure black or pure white being displayed.

Any additional info appreciated.
Thanks.
post #2858 of 2990
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Originally Posted by Kr8z1 View Post

This is what I really don't understand. You (and others) don't want to watch material with black bars around it, even though you know the IR will go away.

Not trying to pick you out (you just happened to be the latest post I've seen here), and you may actually be ok with getting IR knowing it'll go away, but from the way you talk you are scared of IR....and it's not just you that is scared.

It really makes me wonder why people are so scared to watch movies, etc in it's given aspect ratio because they are so scared of getting IR!? Especially when there is an over-abundance of testimony here that it will go away.

I agree with you. I don't mind black bars every now and then, but one would have to think that if the majority of the time is spent watching material that doesn't fill the screen, there would be a much higher chance of "over-aging" said pixels. I had a scary incident back when I first got my TV with IR and it didn't go away immediately...so I try to be cautious but I'm past the phase where I stretch 2.40:1 movies to fill the screen.
post #2859 of 2990
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Originally Posted by JonDeutsch View Post

OK, I need to dig further. When you say that after a few minutes the lines went away... does that mean that for the first few minutes of watching normal TV that you saw a difference in brightness on the top and bottom of the screen? Or do you meant that if you went back to "black" you'd see them again?

I'm looking to see whether this IR phenomenon is something that is readily seen while watching content, or is it something that is technically there and easily seen but only when there is pure black or pure white being displayed.

Any additional info appreciated.
Thanks.

It is not noticeable while watching normal TV. After watching 2.40:1 movies and then switching to watch TV after the movie I would normally switch back to the blank input to test the IR...that's how I can tell that it is gone. Just be smart about what you watch.

I made the mistake of watching the entire NBA draft last year. It lasted 5 hours and ESPN kept the "ON THE CLOCK" icons on the screen even during commercials. Needless to say I was not happy the next morning. Probably took about 4 or 5 hours to fully go away. This was back when I was around 100 hours though.
post #2860 of 2990
If you've got a burn-in problem with your plasma please post your:
1.) Manufacturer/Model Information
2.) General Viewing Habits (amount of SD/HD, DVD, Gaming...)
3.) Length of Time You Have Owned the TV
4.) Settings and Other Relevant Information... (Did you break it in? For How Long? Current Settings?)

** This information is solely useful for people who are debating on whether or not to purchase a plasma, what brands have more problems, and determine whether their viewing/gaming habits will cause damage*
post #2861 of 2990
This is a tough thread.

I keep leaning towards plasma for the picture quality, but my watching/viewing habits worry me. I'm buying a new TV after June 1st. Luckily, the first part of the thread that really worried me was apparently 4 years ago. :P

I'd like to play video games from time to time, such as Guitar hero, etc.

The NBA finals will be on during the 'break in' period, so I'm paranoid if I watch the whole game in that that period, it'll leave me with IR for quite some time.

Add to that a two year old who basically lives on Noggin and Disney when she watches TV (both have logos in the corner). I'm used to 'letterbox' watching with widescreen movies on my standard TV. Apparently that's an issue as well. (unless, the border is gone on a widescreen tv, I'll admit cluelessness on this)

I'm more than a little worried about it being a pain in the rear to go along with the much better picture.

Am I way off on this?
post #2862 of 2990
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Originally Posted by tristanh72 View Post

This is a tough thread.

I keep leaning towards plasma for the picture quality, but my watching/viewing habits worry me. I'm buying a new TV after June 1st. Luckily, the first part of the thread that really worried me was apparently 4 years ago. :P

I'd like to play video games from time to time, such as Guitar hero, etc.

The NBA finals will be on during the 'break in' period, so I'm paranoid if I watch the whole game in that that period, it'll leave me with IR for quite some time.

Add to that a two year old who basically lives on Noggin and Disney when she watches TV (both have logos in the corner). I'm used to 'letterbox' watching with widescreen movies on my standard TV. Apparently that's an issue as well. (unless, the border is gone on a widescreen tv, I'll admit cluelessness on this)

I'm more than a little worried about it being a pain in the rear to go along with the much better picture.

Am I way off on this?


You pretty much said it all in your post. Those are EXACTLY the same things I am worried about. I am a pretty big gamer to which has me even more worried about burn-in.
post #2863 of 2990
I have been wondering about an issue I'm having with my new Samsung 4254. A few days ago I noticed a black bar running along the right edge of the screen, and immediately thought it may be burn-in. The color on the tv was a bit darker within that area and when off, the bar was clearly more black than the rest of the TV. Soon though, I realized that it was just the shadow of the panel during the day that casts a darkness over this part of the screen. It is gone by night, so I felt more comfortable that it wasnt an issue with burn-in.

Yet, when I revisited my old 27" TV (regular tube tv), it had almost an identical bar running along the same right edge, only that it surely was burnt in as I noticed this problem at night! Keep in mind that when I bought the new TV I put it in the same location that the old one used to be.

Is my setup, with the light coming in and the tv casting a shadow, a potential to cause burn-in? It seems really odd, yet I cannot disregard the fact that my old tv has the same characteristics.
post #2864 of 2990
guys I just my PDP 5070...planning to watch in zoom mode with he dnice settings.....

also my programming for the time being will be SD from dish(using composite for now)....it might take some days fro HD programming .....

guys please advice....
post #2865 of 2990
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Originally Posted by jaxpdpguy View Post

guys I just my PDP 5070...planning to watch in zoom mode with he dnice settings.....

also my programming for the time being will be SD from dish(using composite for now)....it might take some days fro HD programming .....

guys please advice....

What type of advice are you looking for?
post #2866 of 2990
Sheesh!!!!!!!!! Reading all these posts make me want to go and return the Panni 58PZ700U I just bought! You guys make it sound like for every hour I watch a TV or DVD movie, I should run the burn-in disc for 2-200 hours??? Just where in that time period do I get to ENJOY using it? So far as I know, there is no talk of breaking in in the manual, or on Panisonic's website (or Plasma Consierge) that I have seen so far.

This has almost become like the age old threads on how to break in a car's engine. In the old days, you HAD to go under a certain speed, and vary your speeds for from 500 - 1000 miles. Then you can drive it how you want. But then, there is the other side that say if you drive it like a granny, it will ALWAYS drive like a granny - but if you drive it like you stole it, you will have one killer of an engine. And of course, there is that brainwashing from Jiffy Lube - you MUST change your oil every 3000 miles - even if you run synthetic that is rated up to 15000 miles???

Well, looks like a call to the Panasonic Plasma Consierge team is in order to get the facts directly from the factory techs what is the scoop on this, or plan on returning it for the LCOS type, cause I don't care for DLP.
post #2867 of 2990
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Originally Posted by WRX_Rocky View Post

Sheesh!!!!!!!!! Reading all these posts make me want to go and return the Panni 58PZ700U I just bought! You guys make it sound like for every hour I watch a TV or DVD movie, I should run the burn-in disc for 2-200 hours??? Just where in that time period do I get to ENJOY using it? So far as I know, there is no talk of breaking in in the manual, or on Panisonic's website (or Plasma Consierge) that I have seen so far.

This has almost become like the age old threads on how to break in a car's engine. In the old days, you HAD to go under a certain speed, and vary your speeds for from 500 - 1000 miles. Then you can drive it how you want. But then, there is the other side that say if you drive it like a granny, it will ALWAYS drive like a granny - but if you drive it like you stole it, you will have one killer of an engine. And of course, there is that brainwashing from Jiffy Lube - you MUST change your oil every 3000 miles - even if you run synthetic that is rated up to 15000 miles???

Well, looks like a call to the Panasonic Plasma Consierge team is in order to get the facts directly from the factory techs what is the scoop on this, or plan on returning it for the LCOS type, cause I don't care for DLP.

Dont go the LCOs way, been there, didnt like the silk screen effect
post #2868 of 2990
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Originally Posted by ultrarobotninja View Post

Dont go the LCOs way, been there, didnt like the silk screen effect

I got the 85PZ700U to replace my 1st gen (1080i) JVC HD-ILA not because it failed, or I did not like the picture quality (cause I really liked it a lot), but because I now have the PS3 with Blu-Ray, and want the 1080P picture. And now, with the new 1.80 firmware update on the PS3, even regular DVD looks AWESOME at 1080P on this Plasma. Perhaps its just I am not as picky? But this TV was the only one around in my area, and was on the showroom floor as a display model. Only been out there for a few days, but when I went to get it, they were showing an HD hockey game and the scores up top were a static display. Yet in the 10+ hours I have watched both DVD, BD, and LOST (in HD), I have not seen ANY burn in or after image yet on the screen. So at this moment, I am a very happy camper.

At least one good thing too - the guy at Circuit City said that if there were any problems, when a new one still in the box comes in, I could always exchange them (but would have to pay back the difference from it being the floor model discount). Can't beat THAT service!
post #2869 of 2990
I can give a pretty good description of what you might expect. I work at an image licensing company (sort of like stock photography but we do much more). We have about 20 42" plasma displays, various brands and ages, the latest being Dell, about 6 months old. None have ever displayed the same image for more than a couple of minutes and every single one has burn-in. The three newest had it within 3 days. We have sworn never to buy plasma again and would not even have gotten those had they not been thrown in as a perk by Dell for a large order of servers and desktops. We are absolutely going LCD from here on out.
post #2870 of 2990
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Originally Posted by ohwellwhatever View Post

I can give a pretty good description of what you might expect. I work at an image licensing company (sort of like stock photography but we do much more). We have about 20 42" plasma displays, various brands and ages, the latest being Dell, about 6 months old. None have ever displayed the same image for more than a couple of minutes and every single one has burn-in. The three newest had it within 3 days. We have sworn never to buy plasma again and would not even have gotten those had they not been thrown in as a perk by Dell for a large order of servers and desktops. We are absolutely going LCD from here on out.

Why try to scare people away from getting plasma with this illogical post. You give absolutely no information, aside from the fact you "loop" different images every couple of minutes. If that is the case, you will not have any BI on any of your 20 plasmas, if they are playing full screen content with no static images.

And for the people deciding to return pre-ordered plasma's because they are scared of BI and IR, I'd say you probably should return them or cancel the order. If you are going to be worrying about it 24/7, you won't be enjoying the tv, hence the tv isn't right for you. I can assure you though that if you just take some precautionary measures, just common sense for the most part, then you should never have to worry about BI. You may see some IR, but thats normal, and it should never be that bad. Give this thread a read, everything you need to be cautious about is described in it
post #2871 of 2990
On a more basic note: I've ordered a Pioneer 4270 and want to do right by it. I read the opening page of this thread and the last two months of postings.

I get that I should dial down contrast and brightness and fill the display with various images for some number of hours on up to 1K or so. I don't find an answer to what this "break-in DVD is." Do you dowload it somewhere or buy it at BB?
post #2872 of 2990
so if u have a plasma tv, and u can get radio stations via ur hd receiver, shouild u stay away cuz of burn in? i notice that the lettering doesn't change....it's the same text w/ station name, channel, etc.
post #2873 of 2990
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Originally Posted by Bada Bing View Post

On a more basic note: I've ordered a Pioneer 4270 and want to do right by it. I read the opening page of this thread and the last two months of postings.

I get that I should dial down contrast and brightness and fill the display with various images for some number of hours on up to 1K or so. I don't find an answer to what this "break-in DVD is." Do you dowload it somewhere or buy it at BB?

Here: Download Break In DVD (SVCD).
For break in settings find your model # in this thread and use the settings in RED only when using the dvd. Otherwise use the settings in yellow: Official D-Nice Pioneer 6th/7th Generation Settings Thread!!!!
post #2874 of 2990
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Originally Posted by jn2006 View Post

so if u have a plasma tv, and u can get radio stations via ur hd receiver, shouild u stay away cuz of burn in? i notice that the lettering doesn't change....it's the same text w/ station name, channel, etc.

Depends on how your HD box and TV work. Both my DTV box and my TV have settings that reduce the brightness when left on a channel for an extended period of time. My DTV box dims after 3 minutes or so, my TV can be set to do the same....so for me it is not an issue. Even if they didn't do this, I wouldn't worry about it too much because even if I listen to music for a few hours and I get some IR, I know it will go away easily. Try it and see...
post #2875 of 2990
when i play this disc, does it matter if its running through HDMI or Component through my DVD player?

also, do i need to set anything when playing or does this disc loop itself?

i plan on using the DVD version of this
post #2876 of 2990
Thanks for the break-in tips, Jeff. I don't think my DVD player is set up to play SVCD--I wonder why the creator chose that format? Plus I have an Apple computer, so it looks like I'll need to fuss a bit with formats or look to other routines (unless anyone can't point to a recent post that solves all these challenges).

David
post #2877 of 2990
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Originally Posted by samuel_adam View Post

when i play this disc, does it matter if its running through HDMI or Component through my DVD player?

also, do i need to set anything when playing or does this disc loop itself?

i plan on using the DVD version of this

Does not matter what connection you use as long as the image fills the screen. I believe the disk is supposed to loop, but you need to watch your dvd player to make sure it works.
post #2878 of 2990
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Originally Posted by Bada Bing View Post

Thanks for the break-in tips, Jeff. I don't think my DVD player is set up to play SVCD--I wonder why the creator chose that format? Plus I have an Apple computer, so it looks like I'll need to fuss a bit with formats or look to other routines (unless anyone can't point to a recent post that solves all these challenges).

David

DVD is also available, not just SVCD. There are others that have used Apple's - run a search of this thread (there is a button at the top right of this page) for "Apple" and you should find where others have discussed Apple in this thread.
post #2879 of 2990
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Originally Posted by WRX_Rocky View Post

This has almost become like the age old threads on how to break in a car's engine. In the old days, you HAD to go under a certain speed, and vary your speeds for from 500 - 1000 miles. Then you can drive it how you want. But then, there is the other side that say if you drive it like a granny, it will ALWAYS drive like a granny - but if you drive it like you stole it, you will have one killer of an engine. And of course, there is that brainwashing from Jiffy Lube - you MUST change your oil every 3000 miles - even if you run synthetic that is rated up to 15000 miles???

As far as I knew, they still recommend break-in on brakes and etc. I see something about it in my vehicles owners manual. I believe I have also read in vehicles manuals about the engine break-in and it does indeed talk about taking it easy. I remember them even mentioning the under 50Mph and varying your speed a bit at that. I never read this information from any internet forum thread. It was directly from the manual and the dealerships.

Anyhow, I don't mind doing some time with the burn-in disk. It has (2) potential benefits. First, if it does help on any future problem with IR or BI then great. Second, the store has a 30-day return policy and if the display is going to die for any reason then I'd rather have it do it within this period of time. It can't fail if you don't use it, so this gives me the opportunity to put some extra time on it than it would get with my typical use. I use it whenever I'm ready to watch something, so I'm not letting running the burn-in disk get in my way of enjoying it.
post #2880 of 2990
I've read this entire thread, but probably missed a few things, and come across others that are unclear to me.

I've been watching my new plasma for 10 hours approximately (probably less) watching various programming, ensuring what I'm watching only covers the entire screen. I also have the contrast and brightness turned waaay down.

I just downloaded the break-in DVD. Am I too late to use it for the next 100 or so hours?

Is there any harm to just run the DVD when I'm not watching TV, and to continue watching as I have on and off (while using the DVD in between) until the break-in period is finished?

Is there harm in leaving my plasma on for 100 consecutvie hours?
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