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post #331 of 2990
Unfortunately, the Fujitsu does not have that feature. I wish it did, that would be a neat solution.
post #332 of 2990
Thanks guys. Not a very confidence filling array of responses

The last thing that would go over in my house is watching channels based on the logo.

Sounds like the latest Panny's and Pio's are the most burnin proof, but I think I'll hold off until someone can point to real data or warranty or anything concrete.

Ken
post #333 of 2990
I have had a new Pioneer Elite 920 for about 4 weeks now and my 30 day, no-hassle return periiod is up tomorrow som it's decision time!!

My question is this: I have brightness and contrast at 50% (set at 30 on a scale to 60), but when I watch channels with a non transparent logo (like Fox HD) I can see the logo ghost image retained on the screen when I power off the source (screen still on). I saw this last week after watching the OC for 1 hour and just last night when QVC was on for only 10-15 minutes. These ghost images seem to go away when I watch something else for a few minutes, but never-the-less, it does concern me.
I also watched the Fellowship of the Rings in HD on TNT the other night (amazing PQ by the way) and even thought the TNT logo is transparent, I could still see a slight ghost when I powered down the cable box (again the display is still on)

Is this a precursor to burn-in or is it not an issue? From what I've read on the forum, I was under the impression that the latest Pioneers were very burn-in resistant, but I'm a little concerned.

I can't see turning down contrast or brightness further as then I lose the PQ that was the reason I purchased the set in the first place.

I'm tempted to return it and get the Sharp 45, but based on seeing it at 2 different stores, I really don't think it's PQ is a match for the 920 - skin tones don't seem as real (more posterized?). But spending big $ on a plasma and having to be super careful with it is a littel unnerving. Any opinions on th Sharp 45 PQ versus plasma PQ?

Thanks!

Jim
post #334 of 2990
What you are describing is "Image-retention" not burn-in.

As your plasma gets more hours of use, this "image-retention" should go away faster and faster to the point where it doesn't retain at all.

Image retention is one thing the "break-in period" is good for. At least 100 hours will "break in" you plasmas phosphers/pixels.

I wouldn't worry about it. You seem to be varying your viewing which is what's needed to prevent future burn-in. And you also say that the image retention you see DOES go away in a few minutes right?

The best thing for you to do is NOT think about it and just enjoy your plasma. I know, I know...easier said then done.

I have not heard about any Pioneer owners having burn-in problems so your plasma should be ok as well.
post #335 of 2990
Is that a new Pioneer that's from NEC.?
Cause my Daewoo by NEC had bad image retention...now it's almost not there.
post #336 of 2990
It takes a long time to burn an image into a screen. You would have to leave that static image on the screen multiple hours a day, every day of the week continuously for it to start permanently burning an image into your display. Image retention is common with the technology and something you shouldn't be too concerned about.
post #337 of 2990
Thanks for the responses - It helps to hear from those with more experience with these panels.

One question, though - it seems like more and more stations are broadcasting with a logo (transparent or not) in the lower right corner of the screen. Could this end up eventually wearing or "burning-in" an area in that portion of the screen?

In general, is plasma alot more sensitive than CRT to burn-in. The 920 replaced a 27" Hitachi Direct View CRT that I bought back in 1989. That set has seen it all (DVD menu screens up for an hour or two, video games for hours on end and when my parents are over babysitting the kids my dad has Fox News on all day) and I see absolutely no evidence of burn in of anything!
post #338 of 2990
If hardware is what you worry about while at work then it's best to put your toys under lock and key while you are away - provide a cheap alternative for the masses. Store your Plazma behind a hidden wall accessible by password only. Get real - before your Plazma burns in it will be obsolete, it will be eclipsed in a year by some other Plazma TV or WAIT what about the new LCD's - brighter, no burn in , sharper , more intense colors etc... Look this is a losing game buy all the stuff you want and FORGET ABOUT IT. I guess you cry when you get the first dent or scrape - buy a product that in it's worn state surpasses the average then you won't have to worry yourself about such traumatic things as burn - in..
post #339 of 2990
Nice attitude there!! I guess you have money coming out the wazoo to just buy a new $6K TV every 2-3 years. Understand that we all don't and that there is a tremendous amount of conflicting info out there and very few "official" reputable sources of info on the subject and even then it appears to be vague - they all say things like prolonged viewing of 4:3 or static images can cause permanent burn-in, but don't quantify what prolonged means.

I'm just trying to draw on other's experience to try to understand what the real situation is - I'll be sure to just ignore your input and hope more rational folks read this thread and provide feedback that is constructive.
post #340 of 2990
There are many criteria that are just as important as burn-in - what about luminescence, what about compatibility with srevices, set-top devices, hdtv standards and interfaces. It goes on and on - sometimes when we read someones post we see ourselves and how "ridiculous we sound". I bought the first real cassete deck Harmon Kardon back in the day two months and a day later they came out with an improved version with far better S/N ratio's - I learned way back then - set your plan - research until you are comfortable - commit and don't compare or look back until you are ready to buy again. I am probably just as critical as you maybe more so - but as time goes by I have learned not to drive myself nuts. Just bought the MAC G5 - top of the line - Apple just came out with water-cooled technology and a .5 MHZ improvement - who cares. My TV does what it needs to - if you notice the faint shades of black then turn up your subwoofer, hug your kids, pet you dog. Hardware will never live up to Spiritualware...
post #341 of 2990
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post #342 of 2990
>>prolonged viewing of 4:3 or static images can cause permanent burn-in,
>>but don't quantify what prolonged means.

Well all sets are different .... some have reported image retention after just several hours (3-4???). If you just fill your screen 80% of the time you should have no problem. Even after 2-3 months of running 4:3 you can condition them back by running full screen white in 2 hour bursts and always watching in full screen mode.

I much prefer watching a full screen "stretched" picture than a 4:3 ..... the question is do you?? Ya, I know, Pam Anderson's butt looks wider than it should, but one gets used to it.


Want to see 4:3 retention ( on its way to burn-in!!)
http://members.rogers.com/kjcaudle/p...me1Source1.htm

Kurt.
post #343 of 2990
I have about a two-week old Panasonic TH-42PD25U/P (42" plasma ED consumer model). A couple of days ago, the cable box turned off, but the TV did not. A black screen (power on, but no input) was on for about 8 hours. Is this likely to have caused a problem, and, if so, what should I look for to see if it did cause a problem?
post #344 of 2990
Hi jbjtb,

Welcome to the forum.

With no input to the display I wouldn't worry about it. Remember "burn-in" is due to phosphors aging at a different rate. None of the phospors were "engaged", hence no wear. Even if there was wear it would be across the entire display as opposed to a 4:3 box.

I don't think you have anything to worry about, but just to be sure you can put up a full white image from Avia and look for signs of burn-in...but I doubt if you will see any.
post #345 of 2990
Not sure if this belongs here.

A co-worker of mine is in the market for a new TV. I've told him that buying an EDTV is a waste of money.

He was recently told by an "Expert" at "Greatest Purchase" that the lifespan of an EDTV is much longer than an HDTV.

I think this is a bunch of doo-doo.

Does anyone know anything about this?
post #346 of 2990
Yup, pure bunk!!

Interested though in why you think buying an EDTV to be a waste of money?
post #347 of 2990
Quote:


Originally posted by rmcgirr83
Interested though in why you think buying an EDTV to be a waste of money?

Although there are certain to be a number of detractors from this theory, my personal preferenc is 1080i. This is but a dream for EDTV.
post #348 of 2990
FWIW, it is but a dream for many of the main stream panels as well as most, IIRC, NR is not 1920x1080....also not much content is availble at that resolution natively.
post #349 of 2990
I am planning on getting a Philips 42pf9976 Pixel Plus 2 Plasma TV.
I will be using it for DVDs, SD and HD viewing and heavy DVD usage.
BUT, Im a gamer too and i spend quite some time playing videogames, should I worry about burn in on this set? Thanks in advance for a reply. BTW, im new here so correct me if i said anything wrong
post #350 of 2990
Quote:


Originally posted by quad user
A major risk of burn-in is the "I fell asleep while watching a DVD on my plasma and when it was over the DVD menu screen was displayed for six hours" syndrome. Been there, done that. No screen saver will protect you from this because most DVD menu screens have some movement that will prevent the screen saver from coming on. A better idea is to employ a timer in the plasma or DVD player (like the Panasonic xp30) that can be set in anticipation of lights out.

Any owners of the panny 42pwd7uy, does it have a sleep timer, like most tv's? I would've assumed so, until I read that they don't have closed captioning either.

Thanks!



edited to say nevermind, found that it does on the pdf spec sheet on visualapex.com.
post #351 of 2990
Some displays (e.g., Pio) have a feature that they turn off if no button on the TV remote is pushed after 3 hours regardless of the input signal. Because you can easily watch a lot of TV without touching the TV remote (e.g., use the receiver's remote for audio, STB remote for station selection, DVD remote for movies, etc.) the Pio politely displays a very small "5 minute warning" message in the bottom left hand corner of the display. All you have to do is press a button on the TV remote (I often tap the "Display" button twice) to keep the panel going.

If you use the "fall asleep" scenario, the DVD and the receiver will happily play whatever annoying DVD menu music / sound effects are present all night, but the panel would have put itself to bed.
post #352 of 2990
Rich,

Im just curious...what kind (brand/model) of Dvd player did u use when you calibrated your TV? Did you use the Dvd player's progressive scan or used the plasmas de-interlacer? and one more thing did you use a high qualty S-video cable and Component Video Cable (i.e. Audioquest, Kimber) video cable or just as i would say regular cables?
post #353 of 2990
post #354 of 2990
i am new to this site and I am glad I found it.

i recently purchased a panasonic TH-42pd25u/p and want to prevent burn-in and did not know about calibration until I happen to come across it on another site. Is any one familiar with these two books on calibration dvd, Video Essentials and Avia Guid to Home Theater. Would these be of any use to me. I noticed the published date of 1997 and 1999.

As you know it always looks better at the store and you have to fiddle around with the settings to get the best picture when you have the unit at home and I do not want to ruin my newly purchased item

I look forward to any help this forum can provide.
post #355 of 2990
You've listed the two most popular calibration DVDs out there. However, considering their older dates, you'll likely find much of the information and tests are outdated and irrelevant for fixed pixel displays, so be forwarned. Updated versions are available.
post #356 of 2990
ny_latin
Check out this site for new plasma owners concerning burn-in.

http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_el...12&cont_id=822
post #357 of 2990
Quote:


Originally posted by 1918sox
ny_latin
Check out this site for new plasma owners concerning burn-in.

http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_el...12&cont_id=822

1918SOX..thanks for this link. this is some great information that every plasma owner should know.

brian
post #358 of 2990
With my viewing habits I'm not too concerned with burn-in. For regular tv I tend to channel surf during commercials and my dvd player has a feature that lets me stop the video and it will start back in the same place without having to pause.
post #359 of 2990
According to Panasonic the first 100 hours are where the set is most vulnerable, so if you just use the full/just mode as much as possible for the first month or so, and set the side bars to mid to light gray, you should have no problem. I have had mine about 6 weeks and watch quite a bit of 4:3 stuff with the sidebars set mid-gray, and no signs of burn in at all. In a few months I will pretty much forget about it, as far as normal usage goes. Strangely, I find I have gotten used to watching a lot of SD material in Just mode, especially news shows. After a while the mind adjusts to it surprisingly well. The Panasonic also does a good job in the zoom mode on 4:3 DVDs - very little loss of resolution.
post #360 of 2990
DVE should be around $25 and you can get it from your local B&N or Borders book store (in there DVD section of course!) It is good to use to get a good baseline for your DVD input, and the same settings are ok for a rough stab at the rest of the inputs.

Just turn the brightness down and then adjust to tastes and you should be fine. I have had my panny from before Thanksgiving without any regard to black sidebars and there is no hint of burn.

-Suntan
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