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post #361 of 2990
thanks everyone for your information.

housecor
--i tried searching the web for mor recent ones, but could not find any.

does anyone have any ideas.

Thanks again
post #362 of 2990
It's this one:



Made in 2003...I believe it's the most upto date.
post #363 of 2990
everyone is talking about a white bar they run across the screen? how do i do that?
post #364 of 2990
Most displays have a "white screen sweep" it's usually located in the "menu" portion of the display. Are you sure yours has one?
post #365 of 2990
Hi

I am awaiting delivery of my first plasma and have just waded thru the 19 pages of this thread.

My assessment is something like, Don't worry about it unduly for normal viewing BUT do take heed of the recommendations for the first 100-200 hours of use.

One thing I have not seen covered is any recomendations for maximum hours use per day during this period. So for the burn in period would it, for example, be good/bad/indifferent to run the panel continuously with a Full screen with no logos and contrast low.

This would get the hours of 'abnormal' use out of the way quickly.

Any comments appreciated.

Thanks

Alan
post #366 of 2990
IMHO, indifferent.

Your displaying a full field for those 24 hours/day...that is, all the pixels are charged.

100-200 hours over a 4 to 10 day period is the same as 100-200 hours over a 4 to 10 week period.

Just my .02
post #367 of 2990
Quote:


Originally posted by rmcgirr83
It's this one:



Made in 2003...I believe it's the most upto date.

Thanks for the info. Have you used this and if so how would you rate it?
post #368 of 2990
Yes, I've used it as well as Avia, I've also had my plasma ISF'ed.

It's a pretty good disc and did a lot...also took quite a while also.

I still didn't think the pq was there yet though, hence the ISF.

YMMV.
post #369 of 2990
This may sound stupid but Is there any way to use a plasma Display as a computer monitor at all with all the static images. I mean They have VGA and DVI ports so it seems like it's meant ot be used like a monitor. BTW I just purchased a vizio 42" HDe plasma.

I can't seem to find many preventitive burn in features except orbiting. I don't see any of the screen wipe, screensaver, or reverse image features I see people talk about. Also I didnt see any option to change the bars from black to grey or another color. But I can't stand stretching at all. Is this something I should be concerened about?
post #370 of 2990
So it's known that we should turn down brightness and contrast - how about "color", "tint", and "sharpness" settings during the burn-in period?
post #371 of 2990
Quote:


Originally posted by Zoglog
This may sound stupid but Is there any way to use a plasma Display as a computer monitor at all with all the static images. I mean They have VGA and DVI ports so it seems like it's meant ot be used like a monitor. BTW I just purchased a vizio 42" HDe plasma.

I can't seem to find many preventitive burn in features except orbiting. I don't see any of the screen wipe, screensaver, or reverse image features I see people talk about. Also I didnt see any option to change the bars from black to grey or another color. But I can't stand stretching at all. Is this something I should be concerened about?

Strange? your Viz doesn't have a ''White Screen button''. My old Viz P46'' EDe had one?
post #372 of 2990
Quote:
Originally posted by calicuzn
Strange? your Viz doesn't have a ''White Screen button''. My old Viz P46'' EDe had one?

sadly none that i've noticed thusfar =(
post #373 of 2990
what type of burn in protection does a Panasonic TH-42PD25U have?

also

what sets have this picture inversion?
pixel shift?

those sort of things?
post #374 of 2990
Burn-in question! Did anyone experience any burn-in from watching the super-bowl or other football games. They always post the score and I was wondering if that would create any burn-in. If not are plasma pretty safe to buy without worry of burn-in from watching sports. Thanks Greg
post #375 of 2990
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Originally posted by Greg Young
Burn-in question! Did anyone experience any burn-in from watching the super-bowl or other football games. They always post the score and I was wondering if that would create any burn-in. If not are plasma pretty safe to buy without worry of burn-in from watching sports. Thanks Greg

I have not noticed any at all.

I've had my plasma since last April. Burn in was a major concern for me when I first got it.

Over the summer I watched a lot of the Nascar coverage. At first just in standard def. At that time I would zoom the picture to keep the "ticker" from being displayed at the top of the screen as I watched the races.

After getting my HDTIVO I stopped doing that. I just watched it the way it was broadcast.
I also watched many NFL and college games this last season.

The only thing I "tweak" while watching now, is standard def. For that I still "stretch" the 4x3 image to eliminate the side bars, and fill the 16x9 screen.

I don't really think about the burn in issue any longer. I just watch what I want, which tends to be a good variety.
post #376 of 2990
Hi, Can someone direct me to the post that outlines how to break in a new plasma.

I bought the plasma mainly for HDTV and gaming. Read someones post about first 100 hours, NO gaming etc then after that, only %10 gaming till you clock up 1000hrs or someting. I can deal with that, big $$$ and i'm not intending increase burn in risk cause i'm impatient. I just want to get the link to the post so i can read it fully I dont want to misinteperet someone elses post.

Thanks
post #377 of 2990
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by grandpipe
Hi, Can someone direct me to the post that outlines how to break in a new plasma.

I bought the plasma mainly for HDTV and gaming. Read someones post about first 100 hours, NO gaming etc then after that, only %10 gaming till you clock up 1000hrs or someting. I can deal with that, big $$$ and i'm not intending increase burn in risk cause i'm impatient. I just want to get the link to the post so i can read it fully I dont want to misinteperet someone elses post.

Thanks

Hello

Don't know if I can point to a specific thread but here are the basics:

New plasma guidelines:

-during the first 100 hours, try to fill the screen with most material: plasmas are particularly susceptible to ghosting/burn-in during this time

-turn the brightness and contrast down from "torch settings"

-try to avoid or at least minimize material that can cause burn-in such as some games, news channels with "crawls" that are always on, or channels that have logos always on

After 100 hours just use your plasma normally: observe the standard good practices to avoid burn-in and enjoy your new set
post #378 of 2990
thanks alot for the summary
post #379 of 2990
Burn-in question! Did anyone experience any burn-in from watching the super-bowl or other football games. They always post the score and I was wondering if that would create any burn-in. If not are plasma pretty safe to buy without worry of burn-in from watching sports. Thanks Greg



_ I wanted to reply to this question, becuase not answering this question clearly can lead to crazy rumors and falsehoods.

Your new Plasma will NEVER I repeat NEVER burn-in becuase you watched a 4 hour game with a score ticker always in the same spot.
Even if there were not any commercial breaks or halftime inmterruptions this would still never happen during this timeframe.

If you paused the game and left the screen pasued for 24 hours, well that may be a different story.

Also - there is a major difference between temporary ghosting, which is not harmful and permanent burn-in.

Cheers,
Matt
post #380 of 2990
FWIW, I don't experience burn-in nor image retention/ghosting when watching a football game or any game for that matter (like UCONN b-ball).
post #381 of 2990
so how would you all define extended periods of time?

basically how many hours would be acceptable on a static image?

new below 100 hours plasma:
below 1000 hours plasma:
post #382 of 2990
Quote:


Originally posted by grandpipe
Hi, Can someone direct me to the post that outlines how to break in a new plasma.

I bought the plasma mainly for HDTV and gaming. Read someones post about first 100 hours, NO gaming etc then after that, only %10 gaming till you clock up 1000hrs or someting. I can deal with that, big $$$ and i'm not intending increase burn in risk cause i'm impatient. I just want to get the link to the post so i can read it fully I dont want to misinteperet someone elses post.

Thanks


Here is a link for burn-in info from Panasonic:

http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_el...12&cont_id=822

I would like to ask why it is recommended on this thread to lower the brightness setting to prevent burn-in. Panasonic does not recommend keeping the brightness setting lower than normal, only the picture control (contrast). Since screen burn-in is caused by the uneven aging of phosphors, I fail to see the logic in setting the black level so low that it degrades picture quality (clay faces, loss of shadow detail).

I only bring this up because I keep reading posts from people who are setting the brightness too low and degrading their picture quality, probably due to the recommendations at the beginning of this thread. Actually, I would think that turning up the brightness, while keeping the contrast low, would provide a more uniform screen brightness and reduce risk of burn-in, not that I recommend this.
post #383 of 2990
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Originally posted by IraG
Here is a link for burn-in info from Panasonic:

http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_e...=12&cont_id=822

I would like to ask why it is recommended on this thread to lower the brightness setting to prevent burn-in. Panasonic does not recommend keeping the brightness setting lower than normal, only the picture control (contrast). Since screen burn-in is caused by the uneven aging of phosphors, I fail to see the logic in setting the black level so low that it degrades picture quality (clay faces, loss of shadow detail).

I only bring this up because I keep reading posts from people who are setting the brightness too low and degrading their picture quality, probably due to the recommendations at the beginning of this thread. Actually, I would think that turning up the brightness, while keeping the contrast low, would provide a more uniform screen brightness and reduce risk of burn-in, not that I recommend this.

The link doesn't work.


There are a lot of information in this thread and I was hoping someone can give me either a yes or no answer. In this generation of plasmas, how serious is this burn-in issue?
post #384 of 2990
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Originally posted by IraG
I only bring this up because I keep reading posts from people who are setting the brightness too low and degrading their picture quality, probably due to the recommendations at the beginning of this thread.

Brightness should only be reduced to the point where black detail is not lost. Similar to the way that you adjust sharpness. FWIW, when I first Avia'ed our set the brightness, per Avia, was set to -15. I have since had the plasma calibrated and it's now at -25. This correlates to a reading of ~14 fls...which is what ISF recommends. Actually I believe ISF recommends between 12 and 15 fls.

Sgt strider,

The burn-in issue isn't really what it's being made out to be. We purchased our ED set in April 2003 and have yet to experience any sort of burn-in or prolonged image retention.

That being said there is a thread currently in here concerning NEC panels and there seems to be quite a bit of image retention with these units.

YMMV.
post #385 of 2990
"There are a lot of information in this thread and I was hoping someone can give me either a yes or no answer. In this generation of plasmas, how serious is this burn-in issue? [/b][/quote] "

If you fill the screen 90% of the time burn-in will not be a problem .... if you run black side bars (or top/bottom) constantly, you will have retention/burn-in .If you hate a stretched picture, and watch a lot of regular non-HD, Plasma may not be for you.

I would rather NOT watch a stretched TV image but the incredible detail available while watching the occasional full screen HD is worth it.

Kurt
post #386 of 2990
Quote:


Originally posted by kcaudle
"There are a lot of information in this thread and I was hoping someone can give me either a yes or no answer. In this generation of plasmas, how serious is this burn-in issue?

"

If you fill the screen 90% of the time burn-in will not be a problem .... if you run black side bars (or top/bottom) constantly, you will have retention/burn-in .If you hate a stretched picture, and watch a lot of regular non-HD, Plasma may not be for you.

I would rather NOT watch a stretched TV image but the incredible detail available while watching the occasional full screen HD is worth it.

Kurt [/b][/quote]

I was thinking about using it to watch DVD's. How about gaming then? If I watch DVD's, wouldn't there still be black bars in the top and bottom? You're telling me I shouldn't watch DVD's then? Will the manufacturer replace the burn-in panel or I'm screwed if that happens?
post #387 of 2990
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Originally posted by Sgt_Strider
I was thinking about using it to watch DVD's. How about gaming then? If I watch DVD's, wouldn't there still be black bars in the top and bottom? You're telling me I shouldn't watch DVD's then? Will the manufacturer replace the burn-in panel or I'm screwed if that happens?

Depends on the aspect ratio of the DVD if 1.78:1 (16/9=1.78) then it will fill the entire screen...if 2.35:1 then you'll have the black bars. The higher the aspect ratio the larger your black bars will be.

We watch both QAR (original aspect ratio) of the DVD and as I stated have yet to experience burn-in.

YMMV.
post #388 of 2990
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I was thinking about using it to watch DVD's. How about gaming then? If I watch DVD's, wouldn't there still be black bars in the top and bottom? You're telling me I shouldn't watch DVD's then? Will the manufacturer replace the burn-in panel or I'm screwed if that happens? [/b][/quote]


DVD's are fantastic , not as good as HD but still real good ..... my pio 4340 automatically scales the DVD size to full screen, no bars, so it's a no brainer for me. Most, if not all, my DVD's are wide-screen so I'm not sure what a std size dvd would do. Even bars for a couple of hours is OK as long as you go full screen for sometime after that.

I have been meaning to hook up the gamecube to the pio but I afraid once the kids see it, I'll have to fight them for the plasma all the time.

You could go LCD, and avoid the burn-in issue, but then you have to worry about bad pixel's...... i think plasma's are cheaper aren't they?????? A whole new debate .... check out the other FORUM chatter on LCD's!

I had serious retention, due to prolonged 4:3 use .... but after several months of full screen use its 99% gone ..... i am the only one who notices it now and am sure it will disappear. I fully expect the electronics to blow up before the panel itself gives out.

I don't care what anyone else says .... for my eyes, plasma provides the best picture. You can argue LCD is close, real close, but not quite, for me. I blew a pile of money on the plasma .... no regrets so far, especially so soon after the 'superbowl'. If i did it again I'm not sure I would go pio but it would be a plasma for sure.

Kurt.
post #389 of 2990
The Burn-In Faq:

Quote:


Originally posted by rmcgirr83
6) Plasmas are very susceptible to "burn-in" when in their infancy as the phosphors have not had a chance to age. A few hundred hours of watching varied material to age the phosphors is not unrealistic and will probably due a lot to curtail possible damage.

Should it be changed to read "fill the screen" for a few hundred hours in place of "watching varied material"??

FWIW, according to this:

"LG Electronics Wednesday announced that it will incorporate its DoubleLife technology, which prevents early burn-in of images onto a plasma screen, into plasma display panels starting in 2005. "

I wonder if this is specific to LG as the article states that the only difference is due to half brightness increase. I suppose (??) that the NR of 1920x1080 could have something to do with it, but I don't see how. This particular panel is 71 inches, has dual standard and HD tuners, and a 160 GB HD to record HD or whatever suits you. I wonder if this is the unit that will finally have Rogo saying "ahhhhhhh"?

Also curious how HDCP fits into all this and who can afford the $75,000 price tag although I would imagine that to be different at street, but something I still wouldn't be able to afford.

FWIW, they are introducing a 55" later this year.
post #390 of 2990
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Originally posted by Sgt_Strider
The link doesn't work.


There are a lot of information in this thread and I was hoping someone can give me either a yes or no answer. In this generation of plasmas, how serious is this burn-in issue?


I fixed the link.
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