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post #271 of 416
Tonight is the night. . .I'm armed and ready for this 1st time experience upgrading the software in my new 635. . .YeeeHaaaaaa!! Ride'm cowboy. . .Heeaaaahh!! Suey Suey. . .Here kitty kitty kitty. . .
post #272 of 416
Good IBM Thinkpad, good receiver, new cable. . .but no deal. . . I think my new cable is bad. . .

I had to cut its nuts off so it would fit on the receiver and I think I might have gotten it too hot. . . I'll try again tomorrow with another new cable only the right D9/D9 cable this time. . .one with no nuts on the male end. . .or with screws on the male end. . .

bummer. . .
post #273 of 416
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Originally Posted by emmee View Post

I just got my 435 today and upgraded the firmware without a hitch.

Problem is that some of the setup options described in the new manual either don't work or just don't exist in the menu structure. Specifically, the cursor can't be positioned to change the title of an input and the upsampling option is nowhere to be found.

Anyone else see this behavior?

emmee,

Make sure the upgrade took completely. Put the unit into Standby and then press both the TONE MODE button and the RIGHT ARROW SET button together and hold for a sec or two. You should see the Model and firmware pop up on the display. What does it show?
post #274 of 416
Well, I don't feel like making a new 635 thread, but does anyone know if there is a way of bypassing the 635's DSP in order to attain something along the lines of a pure analog mode?

I set my speakers to large and output in analog, but the DSP is still lighted.

If the DSP cannot be bypassed, then I don't see the point of using analog instead of the receiver's internal DAC, since there would be two counts of conversion regardless.
post #275 of 416
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Originally Posted by ClarkeBar View Post

emmee,

Make sure the upgrade took completely. Put the unit into Standby and then press both the TONE MODE button and the RIGHT ARROW SET button together and hold for a sec or two. You should see the Model and firmware pop up on the display. What does it show?

I did that and it shows ver 4.12.

I called HK tech support today and it turns out the the upsampling menu item is indeed available - the text in the manual uses the upsampling name and the menu uses another name (can't remember exactly what right now). So this is a non issue.

As for renaming inputs, support said it does work but I tried again today with no luck. Not that big a deal, I guess...
post #276 of 416
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Originally Posted by Megalith View Post

Well, I don't feel like making a new 635 thread, but does anyone know if there is a way of bypassing the 635's DSP in order to attain something along the lines of a pure analog mode?

I set my speakers to large and output in analog, but the DSP is still lighted.

If the DSP cannot be bypassed, then I don't see the point of using analog instead of the receiver's internal DAC, since there would be two counts of conversion regardless.


Are you listening in 2 channel? Go into Stereo Surround Mode and toggle through the three selections until you get to just Surround Off. The DSP light will disappear. This is with or without EQ function. Tone In will bring the DSP back into play however.
post #277 of 416
I watch mostly TV (HD / DVR / HBO etc) and I use my receiver for sound. . . I have only the digital connection for audio and I can only imagine what my receiver thinks of me. . .Every time I fast forward or a commercial comes on not to mention channel surfing. . .

Hopefully the upgrade will help. . .

I wonder if I should attach the analog cables and just use analog except for when I am watching something with a surround stream???
post #278 of 416
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Originally Posted by ClarkeBar View Post

Are you listening in 2 channel? Go into Stereo Surround Mode and toggle through the three selections until you get to just Surround Off. The DSP light will disappear. This is with or without EQ function. Tone In will bring the DSP back into play however.

Speaking of that, when I had my 435 set to Analog, fronts to Large and Sub to L/R + LFE in 2ch Stereo (Surr Off, no DSP), my sub was still active. Does that mean the DSP is actually processing the signal when it isn't supposed to be? According to the manual the Surr Off mode (not Surr Off + DSP) results in the signal going from input straight through to volume control without being processed (I take this as analog bypass mode). Anyone know what's actually happening here?

Thanks.

EDIT: My sub was actually set to (L + R)
post #279 of 416
Do you mean you heard your sub or that the light was active? There is usually a delay.

If you mean your sub was playing that surely doesn't sound right.

Oops! pg. 28 in the manual. That setting will send Full range signal to the FL-FR and the Sub will get whatever Bass is below the selected X-over...no matter the source or the surround mode. Presumably this last part applies to Surround Off as well.
post #280 of 416
Alright, I got it. It's kind of annoying how your sub will remain inactive when you switch from pure analog back to a digital input, however.

Also, if your sub is active when there is no DSP processing, it probably means that the crossover function on the receiver is disabled. It should be normal for the sub to be active if you want it to, even if there is no DSP processing.
post #281 of 416
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Originally Posted by ClarkeBar View Post

Do you mean you heard your sub or that the light was active? There is usually a delay.

If you mean your sub was playing that surely doesn't sound right.

Yep, the sub was booming away...

I can actually take advavtage of that and listen to SACDs in stereo, while connected to something other than the 6/8 ch in, and get some low end thump from the sub. What I'm also wondering is if the signal going to the fronts is being processed or not...?


EDIT:
Oops, didn't see the replies before I posted this. Lemme check my manual...

2nd EDIT: It seems that the (L+R) setting for the sub results in an unprocessed full range signal to the mains and bass to the sub. Where the sub is crossed, I don't know...I'm guessing where ever it's set to x-over narmally.
post #282 of 416
I would not think so. Only if the DSP light is also lit would I expect processing.
post #283 of 416
Anyone else miss the lack of a Balance control? I always relied on this for comparing speaker output with material not specific channel directed.
post #284 of 416
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Originally Posted by ClarkeBar View Post

Anyone else miss the lack of a Balance control? I always relied on this for comparing speaker output with material not specific channel directed.

Yeah, I do!!!

I didn't even realize that there wasn't one till I wanted to use it - just assumed it was there before ordering mine. Buyer beware, I guess.
post #285 of 416
You have Front.. Left and Right channel trim controls...
post #286 of 416
Round 2 comming up this morning. . . I think my IBM Thinkpad suffers from the Palm Pilot thing that was discussed earlier and since that is my company computer I will not try to "Fix" it.

Today I'll pull the 635 out of service and carry her into my computer room and do it with my old Athlon XP1800+. . .She's getting old but she's still pretty darn fast and still functions perfectly (knock wood).
post #287 of 416
You think that's old!!!

Howsabout my Classic Slot 'A' Athlon Tower running at 700MHz built circa Jan. 2000? Pathetic...but at least it has Serial ports.
post #288 of 416
M Code,

Decibel reduction does not equal silence unfortunately.

I understand why some things go the way of all flesh, especially in the age of Multi-channel as opposed to Stereo. But there are still plenty of 2 channel folks out there who like to get dual use from these toys.

I say restore the Balance!!!!!

In the meantime, perhaps I could correct this omission with a better test tone CD.
Does anyone know of one whose design sends the frequencies to separate channels rather than a single tone for both FL-FR?

I'm using the Lasertrack 2000 Test CD.
post #289 of 416
Yeeee Haaaaaa. . .Done, done and done. . .4.12 now. . . I don't understand all the fuss. . .took all of 3 minutes and that was going slow following direction. . .

But. . .I havn't put her back in service . . .yet. . .thats next.

Hooked up and running. . .Arrrggg. . .Oh the life of a tweaker. . .Now the fun begins all over again. . .I printed out the little 'worksheets' and now to get it all written down. . .

Still I am mighty impressed at how sweet she is sounding at its EZset settings. . .very nice indeed. . .

This little girl has lots of oomph. .much more than my 3806 or any of the Elites I owned (56/45). . .I likey. . .
post #290 of 416
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Originally Posted by M Code View Post

You have Front.. Left and Right channel trim controls...

True, but not quite the same.

For one, the range is limited. And how many button presses does it take to get there?
post #291 of 416
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Originally Posted by emmee View Post

And how many button presses does it take to get there?

How about ONE (guide/ch on remote) ?
post #292 of 416
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Originally Posted by emmee View Post

True, but not quite the same.

For one, the range is limited.

There is 20dB between available, if more is needed to balance between Left/Right channels there are major system/room problems..
post #293 of 416
I agree. But that's precisely why a Balance control should be included. One shouldn't have to unwire a speaker to test just one channel for speaker performance issues or anything else...unless the test material has channel specific tones throughout the entire frequency spectrum. Most test CD's don't do this as it is usually unnecessary with the use of a Balance control.
post #294 of 416
The AVR 635 is a home theater receiver and is intended (largely) for multi-channel use. Rather than using a CD, most of us use a DVD with separate test tones for each channel (if we're not using the EzSet feature).
post #295 of 416
I certainly do not miss the old balance knob. . .I like the ability to set the levels independant of each other. In my mind why buy a HT receiver for 2 channel stereo anyway, especially for critical listening. . .

btw. . .HK makes fine stereo receivers. . .cheap too. . . I use my vintage gear for stereo and my HT receiver for HT.. . .
post #296 of 416
Bill and gyusher,

I understand. But a Home Theater receiver that has Stereo for a listening Mode means it should handle Stereo needs. As to the CD vs. DVD if you know of a DVD that gives the frequency sweeps that the test CDs do give me a shout. I'm not talking about AVIA or DVE as they have no frequency sweeps of that nature. My Lasertrack 2000 CD gives me 50Hz-18KHz in 14 steps but they are in Stereo and not specific channel directed except for a few isolated frequencies like 350Hz and 1 Khz. With a balance control comparing any speaker (not only those designed for frontstage use) against any other is a piece of cake. Helps with identifying location problems with various frequencies as well.
post #297 of 416
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Originally Posted by ClarkeBar View Post

Bill and gyusher,

I understand. But a Home Theater receiver that has Stereo for a listening Mode means it should handle Stereo needs. As to the CD vs. DVD if you know of a DVD that gives the frequency sweeps that the test CDs do give me a shout. I'm not talking about AVIA or DVE as they have no frequency sweeps of that nature. My Lasertrack 2000 CD gives me 50Hz-18KHz in 14 steps but they are in Stereo and not specific channel directed except for a few isolated frequencies like 350Hz and 1 Khz. With a balance control comparing any speaker (not only those designed for frontstage use) against any other is a piece of cake. Helps with identifying location problems with various frequencies as well.


Too much sugar for a dime. . .Sounds like (in your case) you need more specialised equipment. . .An HT receiver that you buy for under a grand can only do so much. . . I doubt that .01% of the buyers want or need this feature. . .

They want more sound fields and more inputs. . .maybe designer colors are next. . .

Still for the money you do get a hell of a lot. . .
post #298 of 416
Just finished setting up everything. . .Did the upgrade last week, bought a new center (CSi5 Polk) and today I ran EZset and I'm here to tell you that I have never heard sound this good in my house for HT. I have had an HT setup since 1980 along with the upgrades as they come along.

I have had med to high line seperates all the way to entry level receivers and my setup now is as good as I have heard.

I just finished its maiden voyage (Serenity) and WOW!! I'm pleased. . .

12x16 room
HK-635
Sony 55wf655
Monster 2500
Scientific Atlanta DVR (HD +HD cable+OTA HD with TV's tuner)
Panasonic S77 (I know but its better and cheaper)
Panasonic LD player
Panasonic HiFi SVHS VCR
Polk CSi5 center
Polk Monitor 10 front
Polk Monitor 7 rear
Polk Monitor 5 rear surround
SVS PB12isd2 (soon to be NSD2)

Vintage speakers that did not cost an arm and a leg but their energy is wonderful. . .Music ain't half bad either. . .

Only 1 hiccup. . .after running EZset she locked up on one of the menu screens. . .I pushed the master swirch and everything was fine even saved my new settings. .No trouble since. . .
post #299 of 416
After having my receiver die when doing the upgrade, HK sent a replacement. Wouldn't you know, the replacement had the old firmware on it. So I decided to give it another shot. I used a different laptop this time though, just to make sure that wasn't the problem.

The upgrade worked this time, but bow was I nervous. It did give the verification error after applying the upgrade. It's nice now that the receiver keeps the surround setting.
post #300 of 416
After upgrading my firmware for a T0012 serial # unit using the TF0012.cpu firmware, the OSD on the TV appears in jibberish or another language??? This should be a North American, 120v, in English system. The front display on the unit appears just fine but the OSD is wacked. I tried re-loading it multiple times but still the same results.

So, this leads me to my next question, what is the difference between the 11 series update and the 12? I would hate to destroy my ever precious 635. But no OSD really bites.

I emailed HK and they sent a replay, that's odd, try this and that, processor reset , etc. Still nothing. Until I hear back from them, anyone have any suggestions?
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