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post #31 of 1622
12/5/05 at 2:40pm
I have a strange problem, well, not really a problem, but something that's a little irritating. I have a H/K AVR 635 and an Infocus 4805. The Xbox 360 is hooked up to the 635 using a component cable, and the resolution is set to 720p.

The picture is very sharp, but there are sometimes wave like things moving down the whole screen. This is most noticeable in the 360 menus. When I switch to a different output, like for example Video 2, on the 635 and back again to Video 1 (360), the waves disappear completely. So, it's not a big problem, but it's a bit annoying. I think it's the 635, maybe a setting, but I'm not sure. I also use a DVD player on the same component cable.

What could be causing this?

Help is much appreciated.

BTW
The Xbox 360 is great, and I'm amazed how good the picture is on my 90 screen. Check out Geometry Wars, it's a blast! I love the menu system and the Live Marketplace. I only have COD2, but I'm planning to buy Kameo and PGR3.
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post #32 of 1622
12/5/05 at 2:55pm
I had the problem with the original XBOX when just playing DVD's. I have a Benq 8700 projector.

I think this is called "vertical banding". I may be wrong, but I believe the problem has to do with the refresh rate of the source and the display device not syncing up or something. If you have a couple of components connected through the connection and using a switcher, try a direct connection.

I thought my cables I had initially were the cause of the problem (were cheap or too long).

Do a search on vertical banding (not in this gaming forum) and see what you come up with.

Jasman
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post #33 of 1622
12/5/05 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by Jasman View Post

I had the problem with the original XBOX when just playing DVD's. I have a Benq 8700 projector.

I think this is called "vertical banding". I may be wrong, but I believe the problem has to do with the refresh rate of the source and the display device not syncing up or something. If you have a couple of components connected through the connection and using a switcher, try a direct connection.

I thought my cables I had initially were the cause of the problem (were cheap or too long).

Do a search on vertical banding (not in this gaming forum) and see what you come up with.

Jasman

Great Answer... Btw it should be the right one as well. That is the same answer I would have given. Kodos to Jasman!!!

-SOWK
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post #34 of 1622
12/5/05 at 4:21pm
I'm aware of the VB problem, but I haven't seen it with my own eyes. I don't think this is VB, because the waves are going down the screen horisontally. I forgot to mention that I watched the Narnia trailer in 720p while the waves were there, and there was something very wrong with the picture. It looked like ghosting or something.

I wonder if this could have anything to do with the 635 not being able to switch from interlaced to progressive. In the Input menu of the 635, the Video Convertion is turned Off. I'm going to try and turn it on and see what happens.
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post #35 of 1622
12/5/05 at 5:21pm
Actually, "vertical banding" only occurs (can occur) with LCD projectors, not DLPs like the 4805 and 8700 mentioned above.
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post #36 of 1622
12/6/05 at 1:30am
I don't know if this is the place to post this but I've been having a problem logging on the Xbox live with a gamertag that I created on Xbox.com. I go through the whole process then I get disconnected and it says "Xbox live sign up is not available at this time" Has anyone else had this problem? I've had to use a locally created profile to play games.

Tommy
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post #37 of 1622
12/6/05 at 7:57am
Thread Starter 
but I believe the problem has to do with the refresh rate of the source and the display device not syncing up or something. If you have a couple of components connected through the connection and using a switcher, try a direct connection.


This what I was really refering to.

But the Vertical banding issue I was not aware is only possible with LCD.

The key words Bookhouseboy used to discribe his problem was...

wave like things moving down the whole screen. (going down usally indicates Horizontal not vertical.) LOL
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post #38 of 1622
12/6/05 at 4:15pm
SOWK: Yeah, that was my point.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure this is a H/K 635 or an Infocus 4805 related problem, so I'll try the receiver forum to see if anyone can help me.

Thanks for the replies.
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post #39 of 1622
12/6/05 at 5:17pm
Reading this thread as well as others has prompted me to purchase the warranty coverage thru m/s. I sent them a check with their form for 59.90. I think it is a wise decision since there could be problems a little bit down the road and since I heard of a lawsuit filed in Chicago against m/s today(accusing them of a fire hazard)...Thanks for the informative thread!!!
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post #40 of 1622
12/6/05 at 6:46pm
I have some weird issues over here too. I'll list my setup first off. I have a premium 360 hooked up to my 51' Sony RP CRT, and I have optical out going to my yamaha reciever. So far I have had quite a few freezes, most involving opening the side menu while in game (I am guessing this is software related). But I have also had alot of audio glitches, my sound will randomly cut out for just a second and I'm not too sure why...and when I play halo2 (emulated) for some reason when I am in a heavy gunfight, the sound will cut in and out I've also had some lag issues in Perfect Dark Zero (mission 5? I think, the one where you're escaping from the hideout in China or whatever) while playing co-op (splitscreen) with a friend, we got to the part where you blow up the wall and head outside for the hovercrafts, well, when I rushed out there (guys shooting me from every direction) my 360 starting lagging really badly, I'm not too sure why but I'm pretty concerned about this... I also had it freeze up once in single player mission (was only on for 20 mins max) I am thinking it is just this game, but I am not entirely sure.
Anyways, I am wondering if anyone else with digital output and HDTV (1080i) connection have had any of these problems? mainly the lagging problem in PDZ, but also the sound problems in Halo2.
Any info would be appreciated, thanks in advance.
GamerTag: SS ViolentBong
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post #41 of 1622
12/6/05 at 7:50pm
If you haven't yet I would suggest getting the warranty, just to be safe...
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post #42 of 1622
12/6/05 at 10:44pm
One step ahead of you, I ordered a 2 year warranty last wednesday just to be on the safe side heh.
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post #43 of 1622
12/7/05 at 4:31am
This is the first time I have ever ordered a warranty for a game system...Another reason that made me think twice about it was how loud this system gets either horiaontal or vertical... It is almost like "Houston, we have take off!"
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post #44 of 1622
12/7/05 at 5:09am
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Originally Posted by Gnarkill View Post

I have some weird issues over here too. I'll list my setup first off. I have a premium 360 hooked up to my 51' Sony RP CRT, and I have optical out going to my yamaha reciever. So far I have had quite a few freezes, most involving opening the side menu while in game (I am guessing this is software related). But I have also had alot of audio glitches, my sound will randomly cut out for just a second and I'm not too sure why...and when I play halo2 (emulated) for some reason when I am in a heavy gunfight, the sound will cut in and out I've also had some lag issues in Perfect Dark Zero (mission 5? I think, the one where you're escaping from the hideout in China or whatever) while playing co-op (splitscreen) with a friend, we got to the part where you blow up the wall and head outside for the hovercrafts, well, when I rushed out there (guys shooting me from every direction) my 360 starting lagging really badly, I'm not too sure why but I'm pretty concerned about this... I also had it freeze up once in single player mission (was only on for 20 mins max) I am thinking it is just this game, but I am not entirely sure.
Anyways, I am wondering if anyone else with digital output and HDTV (1080i) connection have had any of these problems? mainly the lagging problem in PDZ, but also the sound problems in Halo2.
Any info would be appreciated, thanks in advance.
GamerTag: SS ViolentBong

Not sure about you lag issue, could be bad programing, system not knowing what to do, or just trying to tell you not to run out in the middle of a gun fight while being shot at from every angle? lol. Does it happen for any other game? COD 2 / PGR 3... if you have either of these.

Sound for Halo2 it seems the audio emulation still needs work. I was playing DOA 3 and it sounds way different then when played on the Xbox 1.

Nothing wrong with your 360 while playing emulation. I'm not sure as to why it is locking up so much on you though. Check some of the previous posts I have done about overheating. Mine does too ( only twice with PGR3 using the guide button.)

I posted a link stating that you could possibly lock up the 360 by using the guide button in games. So I'm not really worried.

-SOWK
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post #45 of 1622
12/7/05 at 5:48am
In regards to the overheating issues:

I've alternated between positioning my 360 vertically and horizontally on my open media rack, and there clearly seems to be a difference in operating temperature between the two positions. When upright, the 360 blows warm air out the back and runs without mishap. When positioned horizontally, the air from the fans is much hotter and I've had two random freezes. Needless to say, it's standing vertically now, and I've been without mishap since (knock on wood). *Note: never move the 360 while it's turned on!!! You'll scratch your disc!*

Just my two cents.
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post #46 of 1622
12/7/05 at 5:53am
Vertical has been my most successful way of playing my 360 to. It is noisy either way, but less warm standing...
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post #47 of 1622
12/7/05 at 7:51am
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Originally Posted by klrbee25 View Post

In regards to the overheating issues:

I've alternated between positioning my 360 vertically and horizontally on my open media rack, and there clearly seems to be a difference in operating temperature between the two positions. When upright, the 360 blows warm air out the back and runs without mishap. When positioned horizontally, the air from the fans is much hotter and I've had two random freezes. Needless to say, it's standing vertically now, and I've been without mishap since (knock on wood). *Note: never move the 360 while it's turned on!!! You'll scratch your disc!*

Just my two cents.


Thank you for this info... I think most to all people now will switch it to the Vertical position. I have had it that way day 1.
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post #48 of 1622
12/7/05 at 9:46am
Vertical it shall be...Now only if Intec would get their vertical stand out!!!
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post #49 of 1622
12/7/05 at 9:51am
I had heard that there's a difference in heat between the two orientations, but I still keep mine horizontal. It really doesn't get all that hot, even with the glass door on my TV stand closed. Besides, I really don't have the space to stand the thing up. I'm actually kind of surprised that so many people do. Are you guys putting it next to your TV, on the floor, etc?
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post #50 of 1622
12/7/05 at 4:07pm
Mine is hanging out vertically on the top of my A/V rack. Pic included:
LL
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post #51 of 1622
12/7/05 at 5:37pm
Nice stand. I would be worried about it falling though since it seems so high up...
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post #52 of 1622
12/7/05 at 11:09pm
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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post

Not sure about you lag issue, could be bad programing, system not knowing what to do, or just trying to tell you not to run out in the middle of a gun fight while being shot at from every angle? lol. Does it happen for any other game? COD 2 / PGR 3... if you have either of these.

Sound for Halo2 it seems the audio emulation still needs work. I was playing DOA 3 and it sounds way different then when played on the Xbox 1.

Nothing wrong with your 360 while playing emulation. I'm not sure as to why it is locking up so much on you though. Check some of the previous posts I have done about overheating. Mine does too ( only twice with PGR3 using the guide button.)

I posted a link stating that you could possibly lock up the 360 by using the guide button in games. So I'm not really worried.

-SOWK

I haven't had any lag or freezing issues at all except with PDZ (all involving the guide button except for one whitch froze while in game) and I agree it is probably poor programming (the game was rushed afterall), I have however had a the sound cut out for just a fraction of a second while playing COD2 (the only other 360 game I own) and I am not quite sure what it is, it's nothing major, so at this time I'm not going to worry about it, if it continues with other titles, or gets worse, I will send it in, but right now MS is very busy and I'd like to keep my 360 for christmas holiday lol.

Ohh yeah, and as for heat issues, my console is vertical with tons of space, and my power supply has never been on the carpet, and has always had plenty of space, I then heard that 'elevating' your power supply with a box with no lid helps, so I have also done that, so heat should definately not be an issue.
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post #53 of 1622
12/8/05 at 9:03pm
I have a problem.. why do some of the people on ebay trying to sell their xbox 360 have pictures with their girlfriends posed with it? Man some of those girls are just plain nasty.. no sale here

Mo!
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post #54 of 1622
12/8/05 at 9:39pm
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Originally Posted by mohanman View Post

I have a problem.. why do some of the people on ebay trying to sell their xbox 360 have pictures with their girlfriends posed with it? Man some of those girls are just plain nasty.. no sale here

Mo!

Well, some guys... (and maybe some girs) are so horney that they will be willing to purchase if they can get some more pics of the person poseing. The age old fact that sex sells. Its human nature. If there was a ebay auction for a Xbox360 being sold and a hot girl "playing with it" I would at least look at it. lol
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post #55 of 1622
12/9/05 at 9:56am
PGR 3 was a freezefest last night. No scratches that I can see on the disc and the console seems fine. Bah. Really don't want to traipse all the way to Gamestop to exchange it in this weather.
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post #56 of 1622
12/9/05 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by mohanman View Post

I have a problem.. why do some of the people on ebay trying to sell their xbox 360 have pictures with their girlfriends posed with it? Man some of those girls are just plain nasty.. no sale here

Mo!

I am just curious as to why "you have a problem" and it is a question about ebay sellers and their girlfriends!
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post #57 of 1622
12/9/05 at 4:20pm
They probably feel more people will trust them if there is a girl involved in the selling of the product...I remember when "AUNT NUTSY" from ebay was ripping off everybody over ghettopoly games...And she was female!
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post #58 of 1622
12/10/05 at 11:51am
Ok so here's the problem. GR2:SS just became BC yesterday and Im having some problems with the component cables. I have the original one that came with the xbox itself and I also bought a really nice one from BB (cant remember the name, but it was like psyco or something). Well when I finally started playing the game on the 360, it was in widescreen, and I could hear other people on the 360 talking about how good the graphics were. But to me it actually looked a little worse. So I backed out to the menu settings page and checked to see the display settings. It would let me select between normal and widescreen. It would even let me switch between 480p, 720p, and 1080i, but it also said that my cable was not set to to HDTV (you know on the original component cable it has a button you can slide from TV to HDTV. But since my cable is exclusively a component cable, it has not button to slide.

So then I hooked up my original component cable, and it said the HDTV setting was picked, but would not even let me access that setting to change it from widescreen to normal. But it did say it was already set to widescreen. So when I go to play the game it is has th ugly black bars on the side, oh yeah I have a 52" Tosh DLP widescreen. But the picture was actually clearer. And I dont know if this has anything to do with the cables, the settings or just the fact that the picture wasnt stretched over more surface area, blurring things a little?

So I just wanted to see if anyone has any ideas about what I can do to fix this, or if this is even a problem. What I really dont understand is why it shows up widescreen with the psyco cable, and not with the regular cable. They are both still component cables. So it cant just be the game that was having the problems. So I dont know.
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post #59 of 1622
12/10/05 at 12:35pm
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Originally Posted by SR Immortal View Post

Ok so here's the problem. GR2:SS just became BC yesterday and Im having some problems with the component cables. I have the original one that came with the xbox itself and I also bought a really nice one from BB (cant remember the name, but it was like psyco or something). Well when I finally started playing the game on the 360, it was in widescreen, and I could hear other people on the 360 talking about how good the graphics were. But to me it actually looked a little worse. So I backed out to the menu settings page and checked to see the display settings. It would let me select between normal and widescreen. It would even let me switch between 480p, 720p, and 1080i, but it also said that my cable was not set to to HDTV (you know on the original component cable it has a button you can slide from TV to HDTV. But since my cable is exclusively a component cable, it has not button to slide.

So then I hooked up my original component cable, and it said the HDTV setting was picked, but would not even let me access that setting to change it from widescreen to normal. But it did say it was already set to widescreen. So when I go to play the game it is has th ugly black bars on the side, oh yeah I have a 52" Tosh DLP widescreen. But the picture was actually clearer. And I dont know if this has anything to do with the cables, the settings or just the fact that the picture wasnt stretched over more surface area, blurring things a little?

So I just wanted to see if anyone has any ideas about what I can do to fix this, or if this is even a problem. What I really dont understand is why it shows up widescreen with the psyco cable, and not with the regular cable. They are both still component cables. So it cant just be the game that was having the problems. So I dont know.

Plug back in the regular Xbox Cables.
(make sure it is in the HDTV setting)

Unplug the system for about 2 minss.

Turn back on.

Go to the System setup blade.

Run initial setup once again.

Then go to the system blade again, and chg Res to 720P or 1080i.

See what looks better, and keep it there.

P.S. also in 720P or 1080i there should not be an option for widescreen. it should be on by default.

-SOWK
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post #60 of 1622
12/11/05 at 5:22am
My 360 seemed unusually louder than normal lastnite. I hope it is not heading for a breakdown!!!
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