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post #121 of 239
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Originally Posted by glenned View Post

Actually, the code 16,16,16 is the signal for Black for all sources mastered to the digital Video signal standard, which includes all DVDs and all digital video broadcasts whether off-air, cable, or satelite.

If you set the DVD player to output video in the PC signal standard, the player scales 16,16,16 to 0,0,0 and 235,235,235 (White) to 255,255,255. All the values in the video signal which are close to 16 and 235 are rescaled so that they are below 16 and above 235. Which shoves them below Black and Above White. The result is that all signals with those values disappear from the video image because they are all displayed as Black or White. All shadow details and all highlite details disappear.

I agree. Was just thinking that for the rare DVD that is mis-mastered with black between 5,5,5 (or whatever) and 16,16,16, the PC standard might make a difference to someone who calibrated their display so that 16,16,16 is charcoal grey instead of black.


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Video is mastered to the Video signal standard and all sources and displays should be designed to that standard.

My thoughts too, which is why not passing BTB is not a big issue for me.

/steve
post #122 of 239
i bought today a pioneer 578a
i think that dont support, im ok?
post #123 of 239
The Pio 490V can output 4:4:4 at best and the Pio 989 4:2:2. The 989 have a much better picture then the 490v after going thru my vp30 to optoma h77. Now do I still need a SDI picture to get any much better picture out?
post #124 of 239
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Originally Posted by malbo1 View Post

Don't know if you are still looking for player options, but my Yamaha 950 can do :

480i
480p
576p (pal hd)
720p
1080i
auto

I have been very happy with this player so far. It also gives the added benefits of being a 5 disc player, DVD-Audio, SACD, MP3, NTSC and PAL formats with HDMI and component outputs.

I have a 950 and I'm pretty sure it does not do 480i via HDMI, only component. If I'm wrong, let me know.

Jay
post #125 of 239
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Originally Posted by rtankm View Post

The Pio 490V can output 4:4:4 at best and the Pio 989 4:2:2. The 989 have a much better picture then the 490v after going thru my vp30 to optoma h77. Now do I still need a SDI picture to get any much better picture out?

It depends. It depends on whether or not the 490V is doing something more than upsampling 4:2:2 to 4:4:4. There's no easy way to tell. SDI has two major benefits: 1) You know that you are getting output from the MPEG decoder. 2) You don't ever have to worry about HDCP. In theory a DVD player can output 480i YCbCr 4:2:2 as it comes from the MPEG decoder (some may output 4:4:4, I don't know for sure) via HDMI.


larry
post #126 of 239
looks like the new denon dvd-955s wil do 480i although I believe that using the analog outputs as well as some other goodies like mosquiton noise reduction
post #127 of 239
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Originally Posted by funlvr1965 View Post

looks like the new denon dvd-955s wil do 480i although I believe that using the analog outputs as well as some other goodies like mosquiton noise reduction

The 955s is a 2910. No 480i via HDMI in the specs I saw for the 955s. 480p/720p/1080 was all it said.

larry
post #128 of 239
Which of the players outputs the correct WTW and BTB via HDMI 480/576i ??

Pioneer Elite 79avi
Pioneer Elite 59avi
Sony DVP-NS975V
Arcam DV79
Marantz DV9600
Classe CDP-300
SigmaTek XMB-510
LG LDA-511
NeuNeo HVD2085 (latest firmware as of 3-14-2006)
LG DVX9900H
Oppo 970HD
Pio DV490-V
Denon 2930


Hope some of you can awnser, I am looking for a DVD player to feed my LumagenDVI via HDMI with a 480/576i signal

Best Regards
Denner
(Denmark)
post #129 of 239
I want to know which output correct WTW and BTB via HDMI 480i, and which exhibit no CUE problems with their HDMI 480i output.
post #130 of 239
I see a lot of mention about dvd players ability to output 480i or 576i over hdmi. While this can be a desirable feature for some. Not all projectors will accept 480i directly from the dvd player. The specs on the majority of pjs will shown accept formats but dont always specify over which connection. I found this out only a few days ago.

So before you set your mind to dvd player that outputs raw data make sure your pj accepts it via hdmi/dvi. If you are going straight from the player.


Ben
post #131 of 239
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Originally Posted by benthx View Post

I see a lot of mention about dvd players ability to output 480i or 576i over hdmi. While this can be a desirable feature for some. Not all projectors will accept 480i directly from the dvd player. The specs on the majority of pjs will shown accept formats but dont always specify over which connection. I found this out only a few days ago.

So before you set your mind to dvd player that outputs raw data make sure your pj accepts it via hdmi/dvi. If you are going straight from the player.


Ben

The relevance of "raw" 480i over HDMi is so that via a scaler or vid processor your signal is not scaled twice (over-simplified answer). If a pj doesn't accept 480i then it doesn't have a vid processor capability that's the subject of this thread.
post #132 of 239
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Originally Posted by ted_b View Post

The relevance of "raw" 480i over HDMi is so that via a scaler or vid processor your signal is not scaled twice (over-simplified answer). If a pj doesn't accept 480i then it doesn't have a vid processor capability that's the subject of this thread.

Yes you are correct here.

I should have gone into depth a little more with my post. For example the benq 8720 which has quite a good scaler/deinterlacer faroudja flx2310 has this capability. So the need for a separate vid processor is not as important but do recognise it gives more control. Feeding this projector 480i/576i raw from dvd player capable of doing so with hdmi will not work. The projector has the onboard processing but only via componet conection on a 480i signal. This is for those who wish to output raw and let the pj do the upscaling and deinterlacing without the addition of a video processor.

Ben
post #133 of 239
Ben,
So you're saying to be aware of the fact that there are some pj's with scalers that have HDMI but cannot take a 480i HDMI signal and upconvert? Good point then. Thanks
post #134 of 239
Was interested in an HDMI 480i player and been watching this tread until I ran HQV benchmark and exposed the crappy deinterlacing on my Sony 60XS955. The Insignia player below scored better in the important benches. Am shocked at how difficult it is to create a basic 480i HDMI player with little problems. I guess trying to decode MPEG and spit it out as raw as possible is as hard to do as making as pure water, but how hard is it to create a fast player that doesn't have basic problems?

I wound up going back to my 6 year old Toshiba 480i component player with no problems for most DVDs and use my laptop for DVDs with better picture quality connected DVI-HDMI to TV. Not as easy as putting a disc in and hitting play, but if I want a great player, the NVIDIA PureVideo deinterlaces wonderfully and is something I already have.

480i HDMI players tried and problems noted:
Sony DVP-NS975V: edge enhancement in 720p & 1080i, green color decoding push.
Insignia NS-VDVD1: doesn't pillar box 4:3 content, has Y/C error, edge enhancement in 720p & 1080i.

480i HDMI recorders:
Philips DVDR3400: wants to reset HDMI to 480p when changing tv inputs, slow.

Noticed that the Insignia and Philips haven't been added to the list. I also see more DVD recorders from Panasonic with HDMI 480i, but I have no experience.
post #135 of 239
1. From what I read in the (downloaded) manual, the LG DV9900H does NOT support 480i over HDMI. It supports 480i over component, but not over HDMI. HDMI-out is only 1440x576i/1440x480i, which I think is not 480i?!? Or is it?

2. There is one more player, which I think makes 480i over HDMI as well, the Xoro HSD-8500. I dont know if this is german or european-only product.

3. Would this be the wrong thread to ask for a recommendation for a "480i@HDMI"- or better a "576i@HDMI"-player in the range of about 250 euros?

Sorry if No. 3 is off-topic.

Zusan
post #136 of 239
Informative thread, but here are a couple more questions.

Which of these players will output high-resolution multichannel audio over HDMI alongside 480i/576i? Many seem to be restricted to basic audio when set to these formats. Sloppy. And how many receivers and displays fail to cope with this, given that it entails extra pixel repetition to make room?

And how many of these 480i/576i capable players signal 4:3/16:9 aspect ratio over HDMI?
post #137 of 239
Oh, and Zusan, yes that is 576i/480i. The pixel rate of 720x576i is too low for HDMI, so it sends every pixel twice. They call it 720(1440)x576i. It doesn't give you double horizontal resolution.

To get hi-res multichannel audio in, you have to repeat pixels even more to make room (because the audio data is fitted into the borders, effectively, so by doubling up pixels, there's more transmission space in the border). So you step up to 720(2880)x576i or 720(1440)x576p.
post #138 of 239
The Pio industrial player V8000 also does 480i over DVI
post #139 of 239
I own the NeoDigits Helios HVD2085 player. It's running the latest firmware (V6) which is supposed to provide 480i/576i output over HDMI, but I've been unable to get it to do so. Neodigits customer support has stopped answering my mail after telling me to run the latest firmware (which I'm already doing).

Can anyone else who owns this player confirm for me whether they're able to get digital 480i/576i out of it? If so, is there some special trick apart from just setting the player to output "NTSC only" or "PAL only"?

480p/576p work fine, but that's not what I need here.

It's frustrating. I just want a decent region-free player that outputs digital 480i/576i. This doesn't; another player that I considered (the Oppo 970) has an image size problem with upconverted content--separate from the 480i/576i problem, but I'd like a player that handles both functions properly.
post #140 of 239
the Onkyo DV-404 does. must say with the DVDO VP50 it gives an amazing picture. way better then with the 12 times more expensive Parasound D3.
post #141 of 239
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Originally Posted by audiovision View Post

the Onkyo DV-404 does. must say with the DVDO VP50 it gives an amazing picture. way better then with the 12 times more expensive Parasound D3.

Thanks, I addded it to the list in post#1.

larry
post #142 of 239
Which players output 480i/576i through HDMI/DVI without HDCP?

Neodigits 4000H
Yamakawa 365 (this one s*cks though)

Momitsu 880N

LG DV9900H (with "hack?")
post #143 of 239
The new pioneer dvd recorder 645/745 does 480i too. It even offers 4 complete color space options: video RGB, PC RGB, YCbCr 444, YCbCr 422. It has slight pixel loss (2 at bottom) but otherwise okay as a 480i transport. It's chapter/menu traversing is quite fast also.

I was pleasantly surprised because I bought it not for this purpose, but now I'm glad I just got my 480i transport. The built is definitely way better than oppo.
post #144 of 239
My Panasonic DVR (DMR-EH75VS) allows me to choose either 480P, 480i, 720P, or 1080i
post #145 of 239
I just want a player that can..

do my laundry
cook my food
cut the grass
provide love
pay my bills
keep me cool or warm
lastly provide 100 gigapixels per square inch of SHDTV (super hdtv)

is this really too much to ask?
i would pay upwards of $99 with 62 years no payments no interest.
todays players just do not seem to live up to the hype.



...yes i am just playing around
post #146 of 239
Anyone know off hand if the pioneer elite DV-46AV will do 480i over HDMI? The local pioneer rep just told me it would, but I don't see it on the list in this thread and haven't been able to find anything specific about it on their website...

It is SO much cheaper than the 79avi..
post #147 of 239
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Originally Posted by nachin View Post

DVI it´s an only progressive output, so, as you know, that´s mean that electronics inside the player make a difference, HDMI it´s different as you can get the 576i stream in YCrPb4:4:4 to the display or scaler directly.

Nacho.

Does this mean that the Oppo 971H (DVi only) does NOT do 480i/576i? De specs say it does?
post #148 of 239
Actually the specs don't say 480i over DVI. It doesn't do 480i over DVI.
post #149 of 239
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Originally Posted by moxie1617 View Post

Actually the specs don't say 480i over DVI. It doesn't do 480i over DVI.

Yes my mistake. I read (specs on a Dutch webseller) that it does support 480i/576i but not on which output so that must be component and not DVI.

I had almost ordered it.
post #150 of 239
I have a maxent 42" tv to which I'm tryng to add a DVD player VCR combo with composite and component cables, I tried both of these and they work fine, my problem is, I would like to hook up the cable line from the dvd vcr box to the maxent tv, but as you know the tv does not have a tuner, it is a monitor. has I said before the dvd and vcr players work fine with either the composite of component cable, but I get no tv image. what can I do?
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