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post #31 of 2403
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Quote: Originally Posted by efranzen I just had a feeling that Sony was taking advantage of it's early adopters.

Blah! Blah! Blah!

Not the first time!
post #32 of 2403
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Not the first time!

NOT JUST SONY, EITHER!!!
post #33 of 2403
First things first. The burn out of the lamp is covered by the 1st year of manufacturer warranty. Secondly, if you purchase any big item by Am. Ex. (any card, even the non-fee based cards), then Am. Ex. has buyer's asurance plan which clearly states that they will extend the manufacturer's waranty by exactly the same period as that of the manufacturer's warranty and with the same terms and conditions.

Most of the defects are pretty much visible in the first 2 years of the product purchase and you've all those covered by the above description. Now if you still don't like the big TV within the inital 2 yrs., well COSTCO is the only store that will fully return your money, even the shipping charge. Tell me one store that gives you more than 1-3 months of return and full refund satisfaction guarantee. NONE.

Now I expect you to be extra careful to protect your TV from scratches, dents, scuffs etc.. and if there's any such incident, then I don't expect you to be returning the TV. Why ? 'coz you've damaged the TV or atleast put it in a nonresellable condition. Moreover if you have some self respect left, you would never take any "yourself damaged" item, small or big, back to the store.
Generally most of these return items are passed on to the employees at a much lower price or put on the shelf as a LAST/OPEN BOX item.

So all these small li'll failures like bulb konk off etc. will generally take place in the first 2 years and will be covered under either Manufacturer's warranty or Am Ex's. If you do not buy using Am Ex., you still have 1 year of return period i.e if you are afraid of Costco's return policy. This 1 yr. is so much more than the 1 month, full refund, return policy of any other store like CC or BB or any online store and to top it all, there's NO RESTOCKING FEE by COSTCO.

It's not only me but many more people are strong supporters of COSTCO purchases. That's why COSTCO is what it is.

Anyways, thanks to MillerDuck and all others who took some pains to answer my questions.

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Originally Posted by ttmatsu View Post

Costco has a VERY liberal return policy but don't think for a minute that it is a LIFETIME guarantee on electronics. I don't know why people keep posting that type of misinformation. Go to the customer service desk at your local Costco and ask them about their return policy on electronics or TVs in particular and how long that is good for. Those of you that believe it is unlimited are in for a surprise.

Burn out your lamp within the manufacturer's warranty period and Costco will allow you to return your TV for refund or exchange (that's their answer to not being an authorized dealer). 5 years down the road, it ain't happening.

Laptops and PCs can only be returned within 6 months but my Kirkland cookware can be returned for a lifetime. They are evolving their return/refund policies as the need arises and what they carry changes.
post #34 of 2403
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Originally Posted by efranzen
I just had a feeling that Sony was taking advantage of it's early adopters.



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Originally Posted by audiomixer View Post

Blah! Blah! Blah!

Well Edwa asked what other TV's we had considered besides the JVC and our reasons for not choosing them. That was just a feeling I had about the way Sony handled it. If I'm wrong then maybe you can explain to me why Sony dropped the price by nearly $1000 within a month of hitting the streets.

Also, if I might ask, what was your reason for choosing the JVC over the Sony?
post #35 of 2403
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Sony dropped the price by nearly $1000 within a month of hitting the streets.

There is no indication that Sony dropped the price. That was an error by CC that CC itself would not honor. Just because some stores did honor it does not mean that Sony was behind it. No major B&M is selling it for that price now.

Roy
post #36 of 2403
I didn't happen to read Costco's return policy, but a few employees told me they will take anything back, for any reason, at anytime. This also applied to digital cameras, very expensive ones and electronics.
post #37 of 2403
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Originally Posted by whitenoise View Post

I didn't happen to read Costco's return policy, but a few employees told me they will take anything back, for any reason, at anytime. This also applied to digital cameras, very expensive ones and electronics.

Sam's Club has a similar return policy. I once returned a 32" Phillips HDTV CRT that was over two years old, no questions asked.
post #38 of 2403
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Originally Posted by ttmatsu View Post

Upconvert - DVD player versus TV' upconvert capability
Has one of the owners tested the TV's ability to upconvert a 480P input from their DVD player and compared it to an upconverted input from their DVD player? Wondering if I can just keep my progressive scan dvd player or if I need to put out some more cash for an upconverting dvd player. Thanks.

I have a Progressive scan DVD player and a HTPC set to 1080p upconversion for DVD.

The TV does an admirable job with the 480p signal, but it does not equal that of providing 1080 lines for it to display natively.

I am getting a superbit copy of The 5th Element this weekend to give it the ultimate visual test. I don't think pictures will show the difference, but I may try to take some anyway.

Thanks,
MD
post #39 of 2403
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Originally Posted by royrose View Post

There is no indication that Sony dropped the price. That was an error by CC that CC itself would not honor. Just because some stores did honor it does not mean that Sony was behind it. No major B&M is selling it for that price now.

Roy

Absolutely! You are correct, sir!
post #40 of 2403
Wow, I'm discussing this on the "JVC sighting" thread also. But I agree with sudhs and that's the fact that Costco does have a VERY liberal return policy. However, I also agree with the fact that people who DO take advantage and return items just for spite is wrong. Just because it's scratched or there is a new model, etc. I plan to buy mine at costco with a platinum card that also extends the warranty an extra year. If something should happen to my set, I'll have no remorse taking it back in that two year period.

So with that said, guys, lets get this thread back on topic. Each person will act different and use the Costco or Sams Club return policy in a different manner. To each there own.

Look forward to buying my JVC and reading posts here on out to learn more about the TV.
post #41 of 2403
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Originally Posted by royrose View Post

There is no indication that Sony dropped the price. That was an error by CC that CC itself would not honor. Just because some stores did honor it does not mean that Sony was behind it. No major B&M is selling it for that price now.

Roy

Give Video Only a call. They are selling them for just a little over that misprinted price.
post #42 of 2403
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Originally Posted by SAC-CA-HT View Post

Wow, I'm discussing this on the "JVC sighting" thread also. But I agree with sudhs and that's the fact that Costco does have a VERY liberal return policy. However, I also agree with the fact that people who DO take advantage and return items just for spite is wrong. Just because it's scratched or there is a new model, etc. I plan to buy mine at costco with a platinum card that also extends the warranty an extra year. If something should happen to my set, I'll have no remorse taking it back in that two year period.

So with that said, guys, lets get this thread back on topic. Each person will act different and use the Costco or Sams Club return policy in a different manner. To each there own.

Look forward to buying my JVC and reading posts here on out to learn more about the TV.

I absolutely agree! It is wrong to take and item back without a legitimate reason. But it's nice to know when your spending big bucks on something, that you always have that assurance. It's one of the reasons I just joined Costco, well that and the teriffic gas prices! I am really liking what I read about this JVC display. I also like the SXRD and H.P. but I like the extra 5" you get with the H.P. and JVC. After having my 46" Mitsu HD CRT for a few years, it seems to be getting smaller and smaller, Great T.V. though, I just want to get as big as possible with the best P.Q.
post #43 of 2403
Miller duck

What DVD player software are you using for your tests? when I was doing tests on my LCD whose native resolution is 1920x1200 or WUXGA didn't do so well, but there were diffrences between software packages. The best I found was PowerDVD but still want great. I'm running a 6800GT 16x PCIE with a 3.6Ghz intel CPU so my system has more than enough power to generate superb graphics.

Have you tried WMV-HD yet? I remember you saying you wanted to, or were going to try it out.

Thanks for all your feed back
post #44 of 2403
First off, how about you guys go start yourself a CostCo thread, and leave this one up for unit specific posts?

I'm not one for bashing a product due to a bad unit here and there, so I'm not going to go into detail on the unit that I am returning, you can search for it in the other thread.

If someone would like specifics on the defects feel free to PM me, but don't expect an answer right away, as I may be out of town for the holidays.

To MillerDuck and the rest of the folks that have taken the time to post their observations, settings, and opinions on the units that they have received...KUDOS folks! You guys are what these forums are all about!

Maybe we will hook up again over in the Plasma threads!

Keith
post #45 of 2403
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Originally Posted by BestServedCold View Post

First off, how about you guys go start yourself a CostCo thread, and leave this one up for unit specific posts?


Amen to that!!! Everytime I come here to read a review...it's about Costco!!!
post #46 of 2403
After you HD-xxFH96 owners get your sets up and running in your own environment are you pleased with the pq quality on a HD, Digital and a SD channel? When viewing a SD channel what mode do you use that looks the best and what do the other modes look like on a SD channel? I'm still in the planning stages and leaning towards a 61" Oh yeah the reason for me wanting a HD set would be watching HD programming....so how would you rate the picture on a HD channel?
Thanks
post #47 of 2403
I found this TV at HH Gregg in Atlanta today and as far as I know they are the only one in Atlanta that has them in stock. It was sitting next to the SONY SXRD and the Mits 1080p DLP. Both LCOS sets looked like more natural color than the Mits to my untrained eye. I could not tell any difference in the JVC and the Sony from DISH HDNET being shown but I was being severely harrassed and pressured by several salesmen so was limited to about 15 minutes of watching. The JVC cabinet blows the SONY away as most already knew. I did not see any breakup or wierd pictures on either set.

Interesting that just today they had a price drop of $200-300 on the Sony to ballpark 4K range with the JVC being about $200 higher priced. I bet JVC will drop their price since Sony apparently just did. I was just scouting them out today and I bet by Super Bowl time both sets are another $300-500 cheaper on sales.

But HH Gregg said only 40 of the JVC units had been sent to the Atlanta area stores. This store in Duluth had sold 3-4 this past week and only had another 3-4 in stock. They are carrying only 56" and 61". They said they had no demand for the 70" model.
post #48 of 2403
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Originally Posted by ElecEngineer View Post

Miller duck

What DVD player software are you using for your tests? when I was doing tests on my LCD whose native resolution is 1920x1200 or WUXGA didn't do so well, but there were diffrences between software packages. The best I found was PowerDVD but still want great. I'm running a 6800GT 16x PCIE with a 3.6Ghz intel CPU so my system has more than enough power to generate superb graphics.

Have you tried WMV-HD yet? I remember you saying you wanted to, or were going to try it out.

Thanks for all your feed back

I am using WinDVD 7 and the results are noticeably better than PowerDVD for me. I also have a huge piece of advice for you since you have a 6600GT or higher card. GET NVIDIA PUREVIDEO NOW! Combined with the latest ForceWare drivers you get tons of features that make all video content displayed on your microdisplay/LCD/Plasma unit look far clearer.

As for WMV-HD, I did test it and it was pretty to look at A 1080p video in native 1080p resolution on a 1080p capable display was truly georgeous. I have some pics here (640x480 camera res.):

http://home.comcast.net/~millerduck/T2-1.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~millerduck/T2-2.JPG

I have not yet installed quicktime and downloaded the Kong trailer.

Thanks,
MD
post #49 of 2403
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Originally Posted by MillerDuck View Post

I have not yet installed quicktime and downloaded the Kong trailer.

Thanks,
MD

Now I have and quess what I discovered!

My HTPC needs an upgrade to play those damn 1080p QT files. It played, but was choppy as hell. The PQ was excellent though...but I hat QT, so I removed it.

No pics, sorry.

MD
post #50 of 2403
What framerates work over HDMI for 1080p? I've read that the Hewlett Packard DLP supports 24, 30 and 60 fps. Just wondering if these JVC sets also support all those framerates?

Thanks,
Jon
post #51 of 2403
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Originally Posted by TNVOL View Post

They said they had no demand for the 70" model.

I bet they would have some demand if they had one on the show floor!
post #52 of 2403
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Originally Posted by royrose View Post

There is no indication that Sony dropped the price. That was an error by CC that CC itself would not honor. Just because some stores did honor it does not mean that Sony was behind it. No major B&M is selling it for that price now.

Roy

HHG is selling it at 1K below Sony Style price. I don't know if you consider HHG a major B&M though. The JVC, Sony and Mits were all the same price last night when I went by.
post #53 of 2403
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Originally Posted by ptwat View Post

HHG is selling it at 1K below Sony Style price. I don't know if you consider HHG a major B&M though. The JVC, Sony and Mits were all the same price last night when I went by.

As I posted above- just yesterday in Atlanta HHGregg had the Sony just discounted again $200 cheaper than the day before and now sits at around 4K range. The JVC had not been discounted there yet and was about $200-250 higher priced than the SONY. Didn't pay attention to the price of the Mits that was next to these two but both the JVC and the Sony seemed to have a more natural picture but I couldn't play with them due to salesmen attacking me constantly trying to get me to buy. They did say that HHGreg only ordered about 45 of the JVC TV's for their Atlanta stores and this store had already sold 3-4 in the first week and only had another 4-5 left.
post #54 of 2403
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Originally Posted by Cameron View Post

I bet they would have some demand if they had one on the show floor!

The PB on the JVC PRO is 50/50 so far on the 61" and the 70"
post #55 of 2403
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Originally Posted by TNVOL View Post

As I posted above- just yesterday in Atlanta HHGregg had the Sony just discounted again $200 cheaper than the day before and now sits at around 4K range. The JVC had not been discounted there yet and was about $200-250 higher priced than the SONY. Didn't pay attention to the price of the Mits that was next to these two but both the JVC and the Sony seemed to have a more natural picture but I couldn't play with them due to salesmen attacking me constantly trying to get me to buy. They did say that HHGreg only ordered about 45 of the JVC TV's for their Atlanta stores and this store had already sold 3-4 in the first week and only had another 4-5 left.

They were closing when I got there (Sat night) but showed the TVs anyway and they said that it was new pricing. All three TVs were the same price (3.99K range). HHG on Windward Pkwy.
post #56 of 2403
i am seriously considering getting the 61" version of this tv at Costco, but i have a couple questions (please forgive me if they seem silly since i am new to the whole HDTV thing). i have read that no 1080p tv available now is capable of recieving 1080p via any of their inputs, and that most simply upconvert to achieve 1080p. is this true (even with this tv)? while i have read that the picture is better, it just doesn't seem to be worth the extra money. can anyone explain or point me to somewhere that will clear up my confusion? thanks.
post #57 of 2403
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Originally Posted by Intowishin View Post

i am seriously considering getting the 61" version of this tv at Costco, but i have a couple questions (please forgive me if they seem silly since i am new to the whole HDTV thing). i have read that no 1080p tv available now is capable of recieving 1080p via any of their inputs, and that most simply upconvert to achieve 1080p. is this true (even with this tv)? while i have read that the picture is better, it just doesn't seem to be worth the extra money. can anyone explain or point me to somewhere that will clear up my confusion? thanks.


First, the HP 1080p DLP set does accept a 1080p signal over HDMI, and MillerDuck here has been able to feed his 56FH96 set with a 1080p signal from his computer.

However, right now there are no sources of 1080p signals outside of computers and a few test/demo downloads. In other words, no OTA or Cable HD programming is in 1080p and it's not likely that there will be any soon. When BLuRay or HD-DVD appear and the specs are finalized, it's expected that film based sources will be rebuilt to 1080p much like current DVDs can build 480p out of current DVDs.

As for the advantage, remember that the microdisplay picture is made of pixels and a 1080p display like the JVC or Sony LCOS sets are 1980x1080 so the screen has more information on it than a 720p display that is 1280x720.

The HP, I think, is still using the TI chip that "woublates" meaning that it is really using 990x1080 and scanning quickly to get the 1980 with a position shifting system. Also the HP uses a color wheel as do all single DLP chip devices.

John
post #58 of 2403
thank you for clarifying. i was aware that there isn't anything 1080p now, but i wanted to be sure that the tv i purchased now was ready for when it finally did come down the pike.

from what you are describing, the JVC is the way to go then. i'll have to head down to Costco and see what they have. i can't wait to hook it up to my HTPC. which input did MD use to feed the 1080p via his HTPC? thanks again.
post #59 of 2403
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Originally Posted by Intowishin View Post

thank you for clarifying. i was aware that there isn't anything 1080p now, but i wanted to be sure that the tv i purchased now was ready for when it finally did come down the pike.

from what you are describing, the JVC is the way to go then. i'll have to head down to Costco and see what they have. i can't wait to hook it up to my HTPC. which input did MD use to feed the 1080p via his HTPC? thanks again.

DVI out on my HTPC to the HDMI in on the TV.

As far as refresh/frame rates go, I have tested 30, 60 & 59.94 on my HTPC and all work fine.

Thanks,
MillerDuck
post #60 of 2403
i'm sure you are probably sick answering questions, etc. about this tv, but how well does the HTPC do connected to the JVC? do you watch SD/HD cable, dvd, etc. through it? this is how i would have it set up, so i am anxious to find out how well they perform. thanks again.
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