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post #61 of 815
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Added above phone number to first post of thread.
post #62 of 815
I have issues with both channels also (FOX HD and ABC HD). Fox is always off and very noticable... ABC comes and goes.

I also have the "digital boxes" that appear when the signal is interrupted. Does anybody else have this problem on these channels or would that most likely be because the installer didn't know what he was doing and my average transponder is in the mid to low 60s. I think there are 3 above 80, rest are 60s.
post #63 of 815
I wanted to upgrade one of my my HD receivers (I have an HD5 and an HDTivo) and my dish for mpeg4. Ironwood just forced my decision not to do this. This was my 2nd attempt at an upgrade. The first guy (not from Ironwood) said that he could install the dish, but wouldn't be able to tune in the 2 new sats. I asked for him to re-dispatch someone who could. Ironwood came out today. The installer said that he couldn't go up on my roof because it's a tile roof (where my dish is currently). I explained that Directv installed it there in the first place, and that the new dish could be securely mounted in the same spot.
After reading these posts and not getting very good service from any installer, I have decided to get a comcast box to replace my HD5. I was getting this dish and receiver for free (10 year customer...I also actually installed communications equipment in the Denver and L.A. offices of DirecTV when they first started out), but until all these issues are ironed out, I will take a pass and get my HD locals elsewhere. If only I could get some decent OTA.
post #64 of 815
DirecTV might be able to fix that problem for you.

After our #*&$@^ installation we got a courtesy call from DTV a few days later to ask about our installation. The operator wasn't exactly especting my reply but within the hour I got a call from the installation company to ask about the installation. The manager gave me a special number to call once I had scheduled a new appointment with DTV to relocate my dish (I'm not sure if its Ironwood) and they would send somebody out ASAP.

If Direct TV knows that you are dissatisfied with the install (or lack there of) i'm sure they will take care of it on their end.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot......... GO TEXAS
post #65 of 815
Speaking of the game... is anybody having trouble with the sound on KGO tonight?

It sounds like a CD skipping every few seconds, even during commercials. Last night they said there was a transponder out so we could not get the orange bowl in HD..... I wonder if its a related problem, or if everybody else has accpetable audio.
post #66 of 815
NDS maker of D* equipment announces at CES Home Media Center Box

Story on equipment


WOW!!! I hope D* gets this box.
post #67 of 815
I got the upgrade to the H20-600/AT9 setup a couple of days ago after rescheduled installs and a late appearance by the install tech. I'm upgrading from a 3LNB dish; they had to find a new location for the 5LNB dish as the tech wasn't comfortable with the 3LNB dish location; wooden base mount on the chimney was too small for the new dish.

After the tech left, I started to watch the local HD shows during prime time and noticed pixelation on all 3 local HD channels (ABC-KGO had a "not currently transmitting" msg screen). I planned to call about the problem the following morning. I had the H20 on so I could call DirecTv support when I lost the entire downlink; as in can't find the satellite signal on both my H20 and H10. The H20 displayed a message to a possible Multi-Switch problem. Prior to the downlink problem, I noticed that I was getting signal on one transponder for Sat 103 (which I believe is the one with the local HD channels).

The question is, has anyone else had this problem and is there something I can do to fix this as IronWood won't be able to come about for at least 2weeks? :-(

Hope y'alls installs goes better than mine.
post #68 of 815
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Originally Posted by Digibrat View Post

I got the upgrade to the H20-600/AT9 setup a couple of days ago after rescheduled installs and a late appearance by the install tech. I'm upgrading from a 3LNB dish; they had to find a new location for the 5LNB dish as the tech wasn't comfortable with the 3LNB dish location; wooden base mount on the chimney was too small for the new dish.

After the tech left, I started to watch the local HD shows during prime time and noticed pixelation on all 3 local HD channels (ABC-KGO had a "not currently transmitting" msg screen). I planned to call about the problem the following morning. I had the H20 on so I could call DirecTv support when I lost the entire downlink; as in can't find the satellite signal on both my H20 and H10. The H20 displayed a message to a possible Multi-Switch problem. Prior to the downlink problem, I noticed that I was getting signal on one transponder for Sat 103 (which I believe is the one with the local HD channels).

The question is, has anyone else had this problem and is there something I can do to fix this as IronWood won't be able to come about for at least 2weeks? :-(

Hope y'alls installs goes better than mine.


with all these installation horror stories, i hope mine goes ok on wednesday. anyway, if you're tv has an internal hdtv tuner, you might try a cheap indoor antenna from radio shack to get the locals. i'm using one in oakland and get great reception for everything(when they're on, of course. kgo dt has been out all week, but has gone on to broadcast the rose bowl and today's nfl games). plus, you'll get a few othes, including wb, which you can't get over the satellite.

good luck.
post #69 of 815
No joy with the indoor antenna; I'm blocked by hills to Mt. Sutro.
post #70 of 815
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Originally Posted by Digibrat View Post

I got the upgrade to the H20-600/AT9 setup a couple of days ago after rescheduled installs and a late appearance by the install tech. I'm upgrading from a 3LNB dish; they had to find a new location for the 5LNB dish as the tech wasn't comfortable with the 3LNB dish location; wooden base mount on the chimney was too small for the new dish.

After the tech left, I started to watch the local HD shows during prime time and noticed pixelation on all 3 local HD channels (ABC-KGO had a "not currently transmitting" msg screen). I planned to call about the problem the following morning. I had the H20 on so I could call DirecTv support when I lost the entire downlink; as in can't find the satellite signal on both my H20 and H10. The H20 displayed a message to a possible Multi-Switch problem. Prior to the downlink problem, I noticed that I was getting signal on one transponder for Sat 103 (which I believe is the one with the local HD channels).

The question is, has anyone else had this problem and is there something I can do to fix this as IronWood won't be able to come about for at least 2weeks? :-(

Hope y'alls installs goes better than mine.

I had the same exact problem. Ironwood replaced the receiver and it seemed to do the trick. It took 2 weeks and 4 appointements to make it happen though.
post #71 of 815
Does anyone know why in CA HD on channel 7 (ABC) says something like "please don't call but HD will not be showing until later in the evening"???? I miss the Orange Bowl in HD and other shows. I called directv and they had no clue....of course. They told me since i'm on the new mpeg4/H20 receiver had bugs to work out...but i don't believe them. Thanks!
post #72 of 815
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Originally Posted by live2veg View Post

Does anyone know why in CA HD on channel 7 (ABC) says something like "please don't call but HD will not be showing until later in the evening"???? I miss the Orange Bowl in HD and other shows. I called directv and they had no clue....of course. They told me since i'm on the new mpeg4/H20 receiver had bugs to work out...but i don't believe them. Thanks!

There is work being done on the Sutro Tower KGO digital transmitter. They have been bringing it back up at reduced power at night and working on it while it's down during the day.
post #73 of 815
Have an upgrade scheduled for Jan 17 (after being rescheduled and having to deal with DirecTVs gross customer-service incompetence, but that's another story), and am considering a cancellation because of installation and technical difficulties being reported throughout the Bay Area.

My primary source of consternation is with with Ironwood. They can't be the only Bay Area installation option, can they? Sounds to me as if they are thoroughly overwhelmed and seems many are less than impressed with their technical competence.

Any other installer options in the Concord area?

Thanks in advance,

-bd
post #74 of 815
keenan,

thanks for the answer....does the outage affect those only using OTA or also w/ directv HD local channels? Because I'm not using OTA.
post #75 of 815
DirecTV seems to be affected by the outage from what I have read. They apparently are getting their signal OTA.
post #76 of 815
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Originally Posted by bobby94928 View Post

DirecTV seems to be affected by the outage from what I have read. They apparently are getting their signal OTA.

Right, so if the OTA signal is down, so will the DirecTV HD LiL signal be down as well.
post #77 of 815
I thought I'd fill you in on what Dish Network is offering as of February 1st. They had a "Charley Chat" last night and announced several things of interest.

Starting February 1st, a 24-hour HD Olympics channel will be available to all Dish HD subscribers. For the first 10 days they say they'll be showing preliminary programming about the '06 Olympics, followed by 24 hour a day Olympic coverage.

Several new HD channels will be added Febraury 1st: 5 new VOOM channels, ESPN2, and Universal HD; plus HGTV HD and Food HD will be added later, probably in the second quarter, giving a total of 25 HD channels. They said they'll be adding even more HD channels before the end of the year.

HD LIL will be available for several markets as of February 1st, but San Francisco-San Jose is not one of them. However, a map of future cities shows SF-SJ as being a future HD LIL market. (I suspect this market to be one of the next ones they add.) They plan to have 50 city's HD Locals on by the end of 2006. Like D*, they will be carrying just the "top 4", ABC, CBS, FOX and NBC.

You'll need new gear to get all of these new channels and the HD LIL, because all of the new channels and everything in the future will be MPEG4. Present Dish receivers will not pick up the new channels. (The Olympics channel is excepted... that will be available to all in MPEG2.)

They have two new receivers available: the ViP211, a receiver that includes an OTA HD tuner and two outputs, one HD and one SD, and the ViP622 DVR with an OTA tuner and two outputs, like the 211, one HD and one SD. The DVR has a 350 GB hard drive.

They are offering special deals for present subscribers to upgrade and lease the new receivers. (No mention was made about buying them.) For the 211, the one-time upgrade price is $49. The ViP622 DVR will be available in the first quarter of 2006 for a one-time upgrade price of $299. They didn't say when in the first quarter. There will be a $200 rebate after April 1, so those that can wait will get the 622 DVR upgrade for $99!

You need to be able to receive the 61.5 or 129 satellite to get all the new HD channels. They're offering a new Dish 1000 that will cover 110, 119 and 129, or you can add a second dish for 61.5 or 129. The present dish 500 only will receive 110 and 119. (I have a Dish 500 for 110 and 119 and a Dish 300 for 129 and it's working great here in San Francisco.) If you need a new antenna, they'll install one for $49 when you upgrade.

The new Dish HD package that includes all of the HD channels is $20 a month. Present HD subscribers rates will not change unless they upgrade.

That's the latest from Dish. Sounds good to me! Come April 1st, I'll be upgrading to the 622 DVR!

Larry
SF
post #78 of 815
It took two appointments from Ironwood before the guy came out. When he did, he was a nice guy and knew what he was doing

I put my old TV antenna in the attic and scanned for OTA stations and I got quite a few. Are most of the secondary channels (e.g. SF7 2, SF5 2) just non HD duplicates of the primary channel? I know KQED has different material on all it's sub-channels if that's what they're called.

I'm currently using my old Pioneer Elite PRO 76 as the monitor. I'm getting HD brodcasts oven the S-video cable which seems contrary to the manual. Mabe they just look like HD. The monitor is capable of 770 vertical lines of display. The Dolby digital sound is also nice. It seem odd that the H 20 only suuports TOS link. I quess they're pushing HDMI. Can't wait to get my new 50" Fujitsu.

Curt
post #79 of 815
Now that I've had my H20 for a few days, I've noticed that the KQED OTA channels 3, 4, and 5 drop out of the selection list over night. If I rescan, I can get them back, but that's a pain. Anyone have this problem.

Curt
post #80 of 815
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Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post

The ViP622 DVR will be available in the first quarter of 2006 for a one-time upgrade price of $299. They didn't say when in the first quarter. There will be a $200 rebate after April 1, so those that can wait will get the 622 DVR upgrade for $99!
Larry
SF

Correction: the $200 rebate is only for those subscribers who currently have either the 921 or 942 HD-DVRs. You do have to wait until April 1 to order the 622, if you want the rebate.

Otherwise, I think you can order a 622 starting on February 1, for $299. This is a lease deal, not the sale price. It's thought that you will be able to buy a 622 for $649, but I haven't seen that confirmed.

No word yet on whether those of us who own those older models will have to turn them in. I hope not, since I want to use my 921 as an OTA DVR.
post #81 of 815
After reading through the messages here (and wishing that I had looked for this list prior to installation), I thought that I'd share my experiences with the upgrade.

1. My installation was mysteriously delayed for two days. Originally, it was suppose to be Monday, Jan. 9th. Ironwood claims that they never received anything regarding the installation and (re)scheduled for Wednesday the 11th. The installer showed up within the timeframe (8-12), but did not bring a satellite meter so he had to leave mid-install to go get the equipment. The new dish is quite a bit bigger and required a completely new install - i.e., new holes in the wall. Personally, I'm a little disappointed about this. It would seem that during the engineering, it could have been possible to make the masts interchangeable with regard to their anchorage. Total install time, including the time the installer was gone, was close to two hours. Additionally, do not expect the installer to clean up after themselves. You will need to go out and pick up all cut cable (from disconnecting the existing 3LNB dish) and any other miscellaneous items.

2. The new receiver (H20) seems to work okay. I guess I got in late enough that I did not have the issues with regard to sound-sync, but I do get a noticeably poorer picture than OTA or LA HD feed. The Seahawks-Redskins game via KTVU was atrocious. In an emailed complaint to D*, I said that Qwest Field looked more like the old Boston Garden, as the field was parqueted. None of the edges in the picture were sharp - helmets looked like they were from an old Colecovision game. If that was HD, we've regressed in time. D* contacted me on the issue and, in fact, I spent close to an hour on the phone with them last night. They stated that they have not heard of this issue (though people have reported in in the HDTV-in-SFBay Yahoo group). Their "solution" is that there might be water in one of the lines and therefore would like for me to schedule a tech visit to come look at the problem. It'll be entertaining to see if the tech is willing to come out either in the evening or on the weekend to actually see the issue.

3. My biggest complaint - I've now lost all network SD feeds. I had all four network feeds from the LA and all but CBS from NY. Being a subscriber of D* since about 2000, I'd been grandfathered in with old network waiver requests. When asking about the upgrade to HD LiL, I asked whether I would lose any channels. The CSR said that I wouldn't. Well, I have and, according to D*, there's nothing that they can do about it now. Pretty poor on their behalf to mistakenly cancel my feeds. My complaint on this came back with a "sorry, but there's nothing I can do. The FCC says . . . " My point that I never should have lost the channels was ignored.

4. According to the D* customer retention rep that I spoke with last night, D* has very little intent of providing PBS, WB or UPN in HD, regardless of the amount of HD programming available. He stated that D* had done a survey and found that approximately 95% of respondents wanted the big four networks and, at best, 10% cared about the rest. He said that he thought the number was closer to 5%, but wasn't positive. Based on this, it was the reason that they included the OTA antenna input with the H20.
post #82 of 815
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Originally Posted by Airblair View Post

Correction: the $200 rebate is only for those subscribers who currently have either the 921 or 942 HD-DVRs. You do have to wait until April 1 to order the 622, if you want the rebate.

Otherwise, I think you can order a 622 starting on February 1, for $299. This is a lease deal, not the sale price. It's thought that you will be able to buy a 622 for $649, but I haven't seen that confirmed.

No word yet on whether those of us who own those older models will have to turn them in. I hope not, since I want to use my 921 as an OTA DVR.

Which is the DVR that can handle MPEG4 aka... local HD??
post #83 of 815
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Originally Posted by jabbawabba View Post

Which is the DVR that can handle MPEG4 aka... local HD??

622 can handle MPEG4. The 921 and 942 cannot.

All three models have an OTA tuner, so you could get your local HD that way . . . but I don't think that's what you were asking.
post #84 of 815
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Originally Posted by Airblair View Post

622 can handle MPEG4. The 921 and 942 cannot.

All three models have an OTA tuner, so you could get your local HD that way . . . but I don't think that's what you were asking.


Thanks. Yeah, i live on the side of the hill and can't see the OTA antenna.

So the 622 is the HD-DVR w/ locals that DirectTV was talking about. Cool.
post #85 of 815
The 622 is a DishNetwork DVR, not a DirecTV DVR. I'm not sure the DirecTV MPEG4 DVR has a number yet, but it won't be available until around June.
post #86 of 815
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Originally Posted by cdinsmor View Post

After reading through the messages here (and wishing that I had looked for this list prior to installation), I thought that I'd share my experiences with the upgrade.

1. My installation was mysteriously delayed for two days. Originally, it was suppose to be Monday, Jan. 9th. Ironwood claims that they never received anything regarding the installation and (re)scheduled for Wednesday the 11th. The installer showed up within the timeframe (8-12), but did not bring a satellite meter so he had to leave mid-install to go get the equipment. The new dish is quite a bit bigger and required a completely new install - i.e., new holes in the wall. Personally, I'm a little disappointed about this. It would seem that during the engineering, it could have been possible to make the masts interchangeable with regard to their anchorage. Total install time, including the time the installer was gone, was close to two hours. Additionally, do not expect the installer to clean up after themselves. You will need to go out and pick up all cut cable (from disconnecting the existing 3LNB dish) and any other miscellaneous items.

2. The new receiver (H20) seems to work okay. I guess I got in late enough that I did not have the issues with regard to sound-sync, but I do get a noticeably poorer picture than OTA or LA HD feed. The Seahawks-Redskins game via KTVU was atrocious. In an emailed complaint to D*, I said that Qwest Field looked more like the old Boston Garden, as the field was parqueted. None of the edges in the picture were sharp - helmets looked like they were from an old Colecovision game. If that was HD, we've regressed in time. D* contacted me on the issue and, in fact, I spent close to an hour on the phone with them last night. They stated that they have not heard of this issue (though people have reported in in the HDTV-in-SFBay Yahoo group). Their "solution" is that there might be water in one of the lines and therefore would like for me to schedule a tech visit to come look at the problem. It'll be entertaining to see if the tech is willing to come out either in the evening or on the weekend to actually see the issue.

3. My biggest complaint - I've now lost all network SD feeds. I had all four network feeds from the LA and all but CBS from NY. Being a subscriber of D* since about 2000, I'd been grandfathered in with old network waiver requests. When asking about the upgrade to HD LiL, I asked whether I would lose any channels. The CSR said that I wouldn't. Well, I have and, according to D*, there's nothing that they can do about it now. Pretty poor on their behalf to mistakenly cancel my feeds. My complaint on this came back with a "sorry, but there's nothing I can do. The FCC says . . . " My point that I never should have lost the channels was ignored.

4. According to the D* customer retention rep that I spoke with last night, D* has very little intent of providing PBS, WB or UPN in HD, regardless of the amount of HD programming available. He stated that D* had done a survey and found that approximately 95% of respondents wanted the big four networks and, at best, 10% cared about the rest. He said that he thought the number was closer to 5%, but wasn't positive. Based on this, it was the reason that they included the OTA antenna input with the H20.

Exactly why I cancelled. Look forward to a few more positive reviews of installation and service quality before I make the jump.

-bd
post #87 of 815
Is anyone else's picture quality on KTVU-2 looking like complete ass? Mine started looking horrible about a week/week and a half ago. I read about the work they were doing on Sutro, so I figured maybe that was it, but the other LIL's are fine. It's funny. Ever since my install, the Fox station has been constantly having issues. First, it was the sound not being in sync with the video. Then it was no sound at all for over 2 weeks. Now, they get the sound working AND in sync with the video, and the video quality looks atrocious.

Is anyone getting a clean picture on this channel, either with the H20 or OTA?
post #88 of 815
So, turns out my original installer WAS ironwood.

If you remember, they screwed about 30 holes in the side of my house trying to find a position that got acceptable signal strength. Gave up and settled with 60s on the transponders blaming it on the gutter and drain pipe which are basically to the side if not behind the dish. And as the installer was leaving he said "Oh, I should have just put it on the chimney, I dont have time now, bye."

Within the next 2 weeks, signal strength dropped out completely and they were scheduled to come out and fix it (took about 10 days from the call that we had to live without half of our channels).

They cancelled our appointment for yesterday after nobody showed up during the install time and eventually came today. We were told that the dish could be installed in the chimney (which is brick) by the supervisor, however, the tech refused to do it when he arrived. He was able to somewhat fix the signal strength because water had gotten into the connections at the dish. We have transponder strengths of 100, 86, 74 and the rest are below 70.

Question: He said that these numbers are OK because on the H20 box the signal strengths appear to be lower than when checked through the older SD boxes. Is this true? I called DTV and they said thats not true. I did notice a difference between the boxes, however I thought above 70 was required on all transponders to receive even an acceptable PQ.


Are there any other companies in the bay that we can request for installation? I am beginning to see a trend here with ironwood.

PS:

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Additionally, do not expect the installer to clean up after themselves. You will need to go out and pick up all cut cable (from disconnecting the existing 3LNB dish) and any other miscellaneous items.

Happened to me too. Cardboard box and everything from the new dish, all the old dish components, random screws and mounting stuff under the install location. Nothing picked up. The box was sitting sprawled over my front lawn... he had to walk by it to leave....??????
post #89 of 815
The H20 reports lower numbers than most other receivers with the same signal. i believe it's software related - this is a pretty well documented issue on D* forums, etc. i get mid to high 90's on my 10-250dvr and best in the high 70's on the h20...

fyi - i had a very positive ironwood experience today - my dish loosened from recent winds/storms - nice guy came out, put in some longer screws and secured it will, then re aligned - all in about 1 minutes - nice, curteous, smart, fast - a far cry from the last guy who installed it...
post #90 of 815
secured it "well"

"15" minutes - not "1" -

gotta slow down the typing
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