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post #1 of 49
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I have had these speakers for over a week now. I decided to summarize my impressions in one post:

PACKING: The SBS-01 5.1 set comes in 2 boxes, sub in one and 5 speakers in the other. The packing is very good and all arrived safely

APPEARANCE: The speakers are finished like the sub. The Black textured finish looks professional with no seam lines. A nice touch is the woofer has a trim ring that hides the screws making for a nice look with the grills off.

CONSTRUCTION: These are very solid cabinets. At all listening levels, I detected no hint of a boxy sound. The sub is heavy and well built. The speaker grills are nicely formed and feel sturdy. The pins are substantial. The tweeter's dome material is clear and presents an unusual visual of the magnet. I keep the grills off as: 1) I like the look, and, 2) they are high enough not to be disturbed. The binding posts are heavy plastic and feel strong. They come with a key hole and threaded speaker mount screws.

SOUND: If I had to use one word to describe these speakers it would be "clear". When listening to these speakers, I get the feeling that the actor is in the room. The male and female voices are as clear as I have heard. There is no sibilance in the female voice, and, no beefy, chesty mid-bass overemphasis in the male voice. What there is is an amazing balance of sound that presents a flat, neutral, even sound front. As voices pan from left to right, there is no noticeable differentiation of which speaker is carrying the sound.

MUSIC: My, how fun it is to have the speakers disappear in the room! The stereo imaging is top notch. The sound stage is completely dependent on the quality of the source. And, yes, there is a 3-dimensionality of the sound. Nuances of sound are clean and clear. Breathing, stage, background, music shuffling, and other extraneous sounds are heard along with the realistic sound of the music. They especially convey the human voice. The balance between the sub and the mains is seamless with not a boom in the bass. It is easy to distinguish which instrument is playing and where it is on the stage, left to right, and, front to back. Even off-axis listening is great.

HOME THEATER: Do whatever you can to listen to these speakers reproduce the lightning strikes at the beginning of War of the Worlds! What you will hear is a bone chilling event that will stay with you a long time. Then listen to the alien tripod coming out of the ground. When the SUV gets blown out of the hole and onto the top of the car, you will hear each and every sound the editors put in the sound track, and, you will duck for fear of getting glass in your eyes! As you play your usual DVD testing movies, you will hear a balance that is uncanny and lots of fun. The evenness of these speakers, and, their smooth transition with the sub, is going to make these the speakers of choice in their price range. My only question is: how is SVS going to improve on these speakers?

CONCLUSION: It has been my great joy to be the first customer to own these speakers, and, I will without hesitation recommend them to all. SVS has a great return policy, so, go ahead, buy these and test them in your home. Are they the best speakers on the planet? I have no idea, I haven't heard every speaker on the planet. I have, however, heard a fair amount of speakers in the home theater environment, some less expensive, and, some more expensive, and a few that cost over $20,000 for the front two speakers. How do the SVS's compare, well, let me put it this way: The law of diminishing returns applies here. Do the $20,000 speakers sound 20 times better than the SVS's. Not in my opinion.
You will have to make the decision to purchase these speakers yourself. I am fronting my opinion, others will give their's. Time will tell if these are as good as I have reviewed them. I can wholeheartedly recommend these speakers.

Dennis
post #2 of 49
Great write up. Thanks!
post #3 of 49
I generally try to ignore just about everything chiropractors say, but this will be my exception ;)

Very nice write up. I have been looking for a 5.1 system in the $1500 price range and may be able to step "down" to this one. Maybe I can up the sub a couple notches:D What size room were you listening to these in? Have you listened to the bookshelves with any other subs? I am wondering if they would match just as well with SVS's larger subs.

Thanks again,

Pat (of the allopathic persuasion)
post #4 of 49
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Maybe I can up the sub a couple notches What size room were you listening to these in? Have you listened to the bookshelves with any other subs? I am wondering if they would match just as well with SVS's larger subs.
Why not just go with a "package" and purchase a 2nd PB10-ISD sub? Economically, it might be another move.

I have a single PB10-ISD in a 13 x 21 x 8 room. I consider myself a bass nut. Between Batman Begins, the War of the Worlds and my jazz listening, I'm quite content with the single PB10-ISD. For years, I thought bigger was always better. I've owned a few 15" subs and a few 12" subs. The PB10-ISD, was a real wake-up call for me. It's quite impressive in how it performs and I often wonder how a 10" driver can perform so well.

Dennis, Thanks for the consolidated write-up. While I don't see myself purchasing the package, it's nice to know of a great product to recommend to others if asked.
post #5 of 49
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Pat, here is the link to the thread where most of your questions are answered: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=607450
Dennis
post #6 of 49
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Originally Posted by wje
Why not just go with a "package" and purchase a 2nd PB10-ISD sub? Economically, it might be another move.

I have a single PB10-ISD in a 13 x 21 x 8 room. I consider myself a bass nut. Between Batman Begins, the War of the Worlds and my jazz listening, I'm quite content with the single PB10-ISD. For years, I thought bigger was always better. I've owned a few 15" subs and a few 12" subs. The PB10-ISD, was a real wake-up call for me. It's quite impressive in how it performs and I often wonder how a 10" driver can perform so well.

Dennis, Thanks for the consolidated write-up. While I don't see myself purchasing the package, it's nice to know of a great product to recommend to others if asked.

Wow. I am glad to hear you are pleased with the PB-10 in that room. My room is 15 x 19 x 8, but has a 10 foot opening to the kitchen which is about 22 x 15 x 8. I may just go with the one and add if needed. The only problem is the wife. Going bigger on the front end may be easier than telling her I need another sub:D

Pat
post #7 of 49
Pat, my room has a 6 - 7' opening where you enter the room. I've thought of closing off the opening with some french doors to preserve some of the sound. Then again, I'll lose some of the openness of my place.

Last evening, my wife and daughter were watching Batman Begins. My sub is mounted on carpet which is over a cement slab in my family room. The volume level was just at a moderate level as my wife doesn't like to go into overkill mode when watching movies. I was two levels up in the bedroom with the door closed. I could hear/feel that action of the movie in the bedroom during the action scenes. It kind of surprised me that the sound carried that far.
post #8 of 49
drdoan, can you tell us what speakers are normally in your system, and how these directly compare?
post #9 of 49
Thread Starter 
SteveCallas, I would refer you to my previous post and the link. My speaker info is in the first few posts. Dennis
post #10 of 49
Just ordered the SVS system yesterday. Any SVS people lurking with any shipping dates?
post #11 of 49
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Great, Del, let us know what you think. My last communication with SVS indicated that they are still on-time for Dec. delivery. Dennis
post #12 of 49
Great write up.. Can't wait to hear about their biggies when they finallly get them in and see how they stack up against the Rockets, Axiom, Ascend crowd...
post #13 of 49
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Originally Posted by drdoan
Great, Del, let us know what you think. My last communication with SVS indicated that they are still on-time for Dec. delivery. Dennis
I will... I just hope they get here the day after Christmas. I am off that week and want to just party with these babies.
post #14 of 49
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Originally Posted by del
I will... I just hope they get here the day after Christmas. I am off that week and want to just party with these babies.


Now that's a scary thought.
post #15 of 49
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Originally Posted by jackie C
Now that's a scary thought.
Started to compose some mental images...luckily was able to stop myself in time. :eek:
post #16 of 49
Hey fellas,

Not to try to speak for SVS, but I have an email from Ron S. (love that man :) ) just a couple days ago saying they're looking at beginning shipping on December 29. I could tell he really wanted to have the first orders out before Christmas but it wasn't possible. He's a little busy... He emailed me from an internet cafe in Belgium in between meetings with prospective dealers! He also said he'd just spent an entire day listening to the full 5.1 set in Germany and he's "more pleased with them than ever" so that sounds promising.

So you won't get to enjoy them over Christmas, but at least you'll start your New Year off with a bang... and maybe some serious rumble, some explosions... :D
post #17 of 49
I've been lurking here and reading quite a bit. Based on the price I decided to try the SVS 7.1 system. I ordered it yesterday, and decided to go from the PB10 to PB12.

In terms of money it may have been smarter to stick with the PB10 and then get a second if the room demanded it (20x20 and open to a stairway and hallway).

They did give a 10% off any sub deal when I ordered the set.

They were estimating that systems would ship 12/28. That's OK as I don't yet have a receiver. I'll be getting the Panasonic XR-55 in the next few weeks.

I had been planning on getting 3 Ascend 340s up front with 4 170s as rears and surounds, but the price would have been much higher than the SVS setup.
post #18 of 49
Nice write-up.... looking forward to more when they ship in volume.
post #19 of 49
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I hope they will ship soon, too, as I have my 2 back surrounds on backorder. I have never owned all 7.1 speakers from the same company. Should be nice especially for music. Dennis
post #20 of 49
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Originally Posted by kmfdm
I had been planning on getting 3 Ascend 340s up front with 4 170s as rears and surounds, but the price would have been much higher than the SVS setup.
I hope they work out well for you, but I continue to be rather mystified why people otherwise considering Ascend apparently ignore the dual 4.5" HTM-200, which uses the same tweeter as the 170, and are more interested in the 5.25" SVS set? :confused: (the same sub could be applied to both and the price difference is not all that significant).

The 170's are way too good for HT surround duty, imo.
post #21 of 49
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Originally Posted by drdoan
Time will tell if these are as good as I have reviewed them. I can wholeheartedly recommend these speakers.
I heard these speakers yesterday in one of the demo rooms of the UK distributor and would agree with drdoan's summary. I took along some pretty demanding material and the speakers handled everything that we threw at them with great aplomb. Female vocals sounded natural without a hint of harshness or sibilance whilst Blue Man Group tested out the dynamics of the speakers as well as the integration between the satellites and the sub.

My own speakers are M&K MPS 1510 that at UK prices cost four times as much as the likely UK price for the new SVS speakers but at normal listening levels it is hard to know where the difference in price has gone. I would guess that my M&K's would have the edge approaching reference levels but the SVS doesn't have the harshness that makes extended music listening a little tiring and some of the more over overbright recordings unlistenable on my own system.

You have a much greater range of speakers in US at much more competitive prices than we have in the UK and many of the speakers that you talk about never make it to these shores anyway so I have no idea how competitive the new SVS speakers are to other products but when they are finally released over here they should fly off the shelves as there is little else of that quality at the likely price.
post #22 of 49
Eagerly awaiting mine now. I have now, in the past month, purchased all my cables, speaker wire, mounts, stands, and installed everything in anticipation of the speakers. Bought my Oppo DVD player, and will be getting my HK AVR-240 receiver in next week. Only think left now (aside from the speakers) is my new TV, which I will wait until I absolutely have to (10 year old Mistu 32" still going strong) so I can get the lowest price and best one out there.
post #23 of 49
drdoan,
Do you have any pics of your surrounds. I'm curious as to how they look in relation to the ceiling. Do they look big and bulky? I'm considering these for my system, but as you can see from the pics in the crossthread that family room is pretty open and don't know if I want bigger surrounds hanging from the ceiling. Thanks

cross post
post #24 of 49
I'm kinda a sound newb but how can such small speakers produce such great sound? Why is everyone building huge towers when these tiny speakers supposedly produce better sound? Currently I have some huge tower speakers with dual 6.5" woofers, etc, but have never measured the frequency response of the theater. Would these speakers be an improvement, even if it is a downgrade in sound?
post #25 of 49
Thread Starter 
The main difference between bookshelf and floorstanders is low bass extension and placement options. If you remove the larger woofers (on multiple woofers) from a floorstander, you will have a bookshelf speaker. As with any speaker, the sound is dependent on the design quality, parts, etc.
I will post a couple of pics of my surrounds in a little while. Dennis
post #26 of 49
So basically if I have a sub (I do) my tower speakers are redundant? I could replace the 5.0 channels with the SVS ones and I could still push it to high levels without worrying about distortion or anything?
post #27 of 49
Thread Starter 
Here are the pics of my SVS surrounds. Dennis
post #28 of 49
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Originally Posted by ventro
So basically if I have a sub (I do) my tower speakers are redundant? I could replace the 5.0 channels with the SVS ones and I could still push it to high levels without worrying about distortion or anything?
Well, if you have the cash and room, going all towers is generally the recommended option, with a sub for the LFE.

However, 5 bookshelves and a good sub does accomplish the same result, albeit with a lot more of the bass being handled by the sub.

Also, it depends on the speakers themselves... Mediocre towers will underperform compared to a good set of bookshelves and a good sub. However, if you have equal quality towers vs bookshevles, and sub for both, I'd argue that the sound you get from the towers will be better, especially for music, but at a steeper price.

As an example:

B&W 602s3 Bookshelves vs B&W 604s3 Towers... with the same sub...

602 Bookshelves
Price: 600/pair
Freq. Response 49Hz - 22kHz ± 3dB on reference axis
Freq. Range -6dB at 40Hz and 42kHz
Sensitivity 90dB spl (2.83V, 1m)
2nd & 3rd harmonics <1% 60Hz - 20kHz (90dB spl, 1m)
Crossover Frequency 4kHz

604 Towers
Price: 1400/pair
Freq. Response 39Hz - 22kHz ± 3dB on reference axis
Freq. Range -6dB at 30Hz and 42kHz
Sensitivity 90dB spl (2.83V 1m)
Harmonic Distortion 2nd & 3rd harmonics <1% 42Hz - 20kHz (90dB spl, 1m)
Crossover Frequency 450Hz, 4kHz
post #29 of 49
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Originally Posted by ventro
So basically if I have a sub (I do) my tower speakers are redundant?
Yes.


.... well, with these caveats:

1. The sub must be able to play the tones the floorstanders would have just as well as the floorstanders. Usually not a problem. I'm talking about the range from 80hz down to around 30hz, which is all most floorstanders can usually do. However, some subs are not as "tight" in that range as a floorstander. It's worth doing some listening and research.

2. You place your sub or subs correctly in the room to get the best response. Usually not that big a deal, but some people have reported that the bass notes coming from multiple sources (ie floorstanders) can even out the bass response in a room.

3. Your bookshelves are the equal of the floorstanders they replace when it comes to dynamic range. For instance, a bookshelf with a single 5 1/4" driver is not going to get as loud as a tower with 2 of the same drivers, or a single 7" inch driver. Since the bookshelves are letting the sub take over the low end, they don't *need* big drivers, but they need enough drivers to play loudly.
For instance, Bose sells acoustimass speakers with only one cube per channel, and they don't get real loud. They also sell ones with two cubes per channel, and they get very loud! (my in-laws have some, and they are able to play crappy music very loudly)
I have seen some speakers with a single 4" driver that go down to 80hz, which is perfect for a crossover, but one 4" driver isn't really going to be loud enough for most people. I recently got some speakers with two 4" drivers, and they are plenty loud for my small room.

As long as your bookshelves meet the requirements above, you're right: The towers are not needed. However.... some people reqire so much dynamic range (loudness) or low distortion, only afforded by multiple drivers, that big, floorstander size speakers are the only option. (to take this thought to it's ultimate conclusion... there are no bookshelf speakers at Ozzfest) However, we are talking about a typical home enviornment. In this case, small speakers can do the job.
post #30 of 49
Yep, ordered mine (5.1) as well yesterday - ETA for shipping was Dec28th as well. I hope UPS Ground gets it here within a week or so - where do these get shipped from anyway?

My reciever hasnt arrived either - Denon AVR2106.
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