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There's still a lot of those great looking older speakers out there and obtainable. Hell, Kex is cornering the SoCal market .
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Is it just me, or does it look like the dog is about to 'lay some cable'

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Not the most ideal I know, but right now I have them on the floor on either side of the sofa. I have the advantage of only needing one primary listening position (just myself since my wife doesn't care one way or the other about such things) so I position the speakers so they can be aimed just to the front of that position without anything in their path and it works quite well. Given their size getting them up in the air is awkward. I have tried raising them about 18 just using boxes to try it out and haven't really noticed a difference, so I just have them on the floor. FWIW here are some shots of my setup...

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The other thing I have going for me is that I am driving them with a Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV receiver that has a fantastic set of adjustments that can be made for each speaker -- level, distance and 9 band EQ with fine trim. I use these adjustment to fine tune the setup for my room, the speaker position and my own hearing/taste. The Pio also has the ability to store 6 sets of parameters, so I can have various setups for music, movies, etc. Using the Pio I am able to really fine tune the speaker settings for optimal performance and compensate for the somewhat unconventional placement of the rears.

Regarding center channel -- until a few days ago this has been a weak area for me. I had been using the Polk CSi25 but I definitely do not recommend it -- much too weak. I have been thinking about getting a CSi5 but don't have the room for it. Also thought of a CSI3 - although much better than the CSI25 didn't seem like the right way to go for me.

I had heard great things about the BIC America DV-62CLRS. Although not a mainline brand like Polk, Klipsch, etc. many posters in other forums and some reviewers have said it is one of the best centers they have ever heard - especially considering its low cost - matching the performance of center speakers costing 2-4 times as much. I wasn't extremely worried about timbre matching since I figured I could use the fine tuning capabilities of my Pio Elite AVR to adjust its EQ profile for a good match with the rest of my system. Another factor is that it has 6-1/2" drivers and a 3/4" poly soft dome tweeter, which at least in size and type match the R50 drivers very nicely So for $102 with free shipping I thought I'd try it out. Just received it a couple days ago and OMG -- what a phenomenal difference it makes in the front soundstage and overall listening experience. It just blows me away. So I'm staying with the BIC DV-62CLRS for now. Maybe someday I'll have the room and want to spend the cash for a CSi5 but I'm extremely happy with the BIC -- and for the money it simply can't be beat. Highly recommended.

Regarding sub-woofer I have a JBL SL-120PII -- 12 front firing, 400 watts RMS, 24Hz bass extension. This model is a couple years old and I don't think is currently being manufactured, but at the time it was in the JBL studio line as opposed to the general consumer line (which isn't highly rated). I have a very large room and need a large sub with plenty of power. As you can probably tell I'm a value shopper and for $300 delivered it seemed like a good deal given its size/power, bass extension, studio quality and my large room requirements. I have been very happy with it. I have seen another poster say it is boomy and muddy. It isn't for me, but I don't have any other sub experience to compare to. But if you don't need that big a sub I would look at the lower end Hsu and SVS subs which always get rave reviews. There have also been many posts about the BIC H-100 sub as being a very good value. Next week I will be moving my main setup to a smaller room and am considering trying one of these other subs just to see if there is the significant difference that everybody says there is.

Hope this helps. Let us know how it goes for you.


Thanks for the info and the pics!!! I really like that setup! I am very fortunate in that i am getting a hand me down Kenwood Sovereign VR 5900 receiver (My father got it for 1500 ~ 3 years ago, MSRP was 3000!) He bought a new Denon (for HDMI) so i get the Kenwood!. I will have to check out the BIC center, sounds like it may be the way to go! I actually just pulled the trigger on that Parts Express Dayton 12in sub. It was 139.99 plus free shipping! I actually paid the extra 5 bucks to have UPS ship it based on some reviews i read where they came damaged from DHL (shipping company for the free shipping) I really cant wait to get all of this setup! I should be finished painting tonight so hopefully by the weekend I will have it done! Thanks again for all of your help!!!
post #1294 of 35015
Guys I got a pair of RTi6's for rear channels today..all I have to say is wow. I continue to be impressed with the RTi line...in fact, if i knew how good the 6's were I probably would have gotten a pair instead of my RTi10's for the front channels.

I've never really been a fan of 5 channel stereo music...but with my setup of RTi10/6 and CSi3 the sound is amazing...it feels like I'm between the musicians. The soundstage is virtually seamless. It's a fantastic setup for the grand I paid.
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Originally Posted by oldcband View Post

My room is 18x18x8 and should I keep it 5.1? Or 7.1 with the speakers I have? I'm going with rti 6's for the front and back and cs2 center. Have a pair of older Monitor 2 polks I could use for the sides. Receiver is Yamaha rx-v1800. Any comments? Thanks in advance.

Why not a matching CSi3 or 5 ? 5.1 vs. 7.1 should be determined by your listening position mainly. I bet 5.1 with 4x RTi6' + a CSi center will sound amazing especially if you are into music.
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I've never really been a fan of 5 channel stereo music...but with my setup of RTi10/6 and CSi3 the sound is amazing...it feels like I'm between the musicians. The soundstage is virtually seamless. It's a fantastic setup for the grand I paid.

Time to start checking out some multi-channel DTS/SACD/DVD-A. A timbre matched setup can be amazingly good. You'll never listen to 5 channel stereo again. BTW the 3 is a nice center, but the 5 is the shizzle.
post #1297 of 35015
Hello all, just jumped back on the Polk-wagon. I went into Sound Advice (Tweeter) last night to jump at the BOGO sale on the RTi10s and walked out with the RTi A7s and a CSi5 center pushed by a Pioneer Elite VSX-92TXH. I made the mistake of listening to the RTi A7 before the 10s...

Do you think the AV will suffice for the entire 5.1 setup i'm running (didn't change the surround speakers, bookshelf yamaha), or do you think i would need a second amp?

Glad to be apart of the Polk peeps.
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Originally Posted by The X Factor View Post

Hello all, just jumped back on the Polk-wagon. I went into Sound Advice (Tweeter) last night to jump at the BOGO sale on the RTi10s and walked out with the RTi A7s and a CSi5 center pushed by a Pioneer Elite VSX-92TXH. I made the mistake of listening to the RTi A7 before the 10s...

Do you think the AV will suffice for the entire 5.1 setup i'm running (didn't change the surround speakers, bookshelf yamaha), or do you think i would need a second amp?

Glad to be apart of the Polk peeps.

Awesome setup!! Congrats and enjoy Welcome back to Polkland.
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Originally Posted by vinipux77 View Post

Why not a matching CSi3 or 5 ? 5.1 vs. 7.1 should be determined by your listening position mainly. I bet 5.1 with 4x RTi6' + a CSi center will sound amazing especially if you are into music.

Yeah I made a mistake after reading about production lines of the rti6's and csi3 or 5, and changed to csi5 today for the matching reason. I think I'm going to stick with 5.1 because of room size. Thanks for pointing it out but I realized it too..
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

... Hell, Kex is cornering the SoCal market .

I beg your pardon, my good Sir! I have allowed several opportunities pass me by just recently (well ... at least one)!
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Originally Posted by Jerm357 View Post

... but Man those things were beasts. What I realy wanted was the RT800i but I did not even have the money for the 55's so that was out of the question. I miss the look of those older speakers. ...

They really are beasts! As is the CS400 center. Dare I say it, after that rude comment by Ron Temple, but I also have a pair of the RT800! They actually seem smaller compared to the RT55: not as deep a cabinet nor as wide. They both sound very similar to me actually. As Rude Ron suggests, you can still find either on craigslist.com and e-Bay, in good or excellent condition, for about $200 a pair.
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Originally Posted by jephdood View Post

Is it just me, or does it look like the dog is about to 'lay some cable'

You need help, my friend! The men in white coats should do the trick
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Originally Posted by Kex View Post

You need help, my friend! The men in white coats should do the trick

These guys?

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These guys?

Nope: those are apparently the guys you are frequenting right now, and the consequences of such company are becoming all too obvious!

Good response though!
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Rude???...well yes, of course

The 800 extends a bit more than the 55 due to the cabinet volume and should provide tighter bass response. Haven't heard it. The 55s seem to be the most popular speaker from that rev though and dig incredibly deep for a bookshelf.
post #1306 of 35015
Just picked up new theater speakers...

Fronts RTi 10's
Center Csi 5
Surround Fxi3's
2 DSW Pro 600's (on the way back ordered)
AVR Yamaha RXV1700 (Rated 130X7)
Theater room 20X28 seating 14' from screen in the long side of the room

I have 3 questions....

1) I have read a lot about how power hungry the RTi's are and they sound pretty good with my AVR. The woofers dont move a lot but I guess I dont expect them to move like a high excursion sub. My question is how much advantage would I see by biamping the fronts with the 2 unused rear channels. Do I have to do anything special to bi amp other than removing the bars off the back of the speaker, hooking up the 2 sets of speakers wire to each speaker and making the approriate setting changes in the amp to configure for the biamp set up?

2) Instead of biamping the mains with the unused channels do you think for my size of room it would be better to get rear speakers for 7.1 sound?

3) I know I probably could have gotten better subs but wanted to go with mutiple due to the size of my room. I dont think these subs will play real loud below 30hz or will they? The plan was to get an SVS Ultra but I thought multiple would be a good way to go due to the size of my room. If the 2 dont play low for movies my plan is to get the SVS Ultra next year and tune it to the 10hz setting so it plays stupid loud really low frequencies and the 2 Polk subs will pick up the slack of the ultra between 30-80. My thinking is to get the performance of the SVS with out any plugged ports (higher tuning) with the benefit of the 10hz tuning as well when combining all 3 subs (2 Polks and one Ultra). Hopefully the 2 polks will make my happy and I wont have to get the Ultra. I do like the lows though so I might just for giggles next year? I couldn't find any reviews on this sub, has anyone heard them and what do you think?

Sorry for the long post! Anyone with comments please post!
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Originally Posted by 02somls1ws6 View Post

Just picked up new theater speakers...

Fronts RTi 10's
Center Csi 5
Surround Fxi3's
2 DSW Pro 600's (on the way back ordered)
AVR Yamaha RXV1700 (Rated 130X7)
Theater room 20X28 seating 14' from screen in the long side of the room

...

Nice! Congratulations and Enjoy it!
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Originally Posted by jephdood View Post

Is it just me, or does it look like the dog is about to 'lay some cable'

I asure you, she was not laying down any cable.
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Originally Posted by 02somls1ws6 View Post

I have 3 questions....

1) You described bi-amping correctly, although, bi-amping w/ unused back channels of AVR is cheating. Try it.. it's almost free, except for a cut of cheap Home Depot cable. Likely the improvement will be very minor if any.
In time you can add a 2-3 channel amp to power fronts - that will be a much better improvement. Some people connect AVR to the top posts and use an external amp to power the lower frequencies - I am curious to try that myself.

2) Yes, with the room your size and seating arrangement, you likely will benefit more from a pair of RTi4's, or similar, in the back. Get these later, though, to keep your WOW-factor strong. FXi3 are amazing surround speakers on their own.

3) The new Polk Pro subs are supposedly very good, but almost nobody heard them yet.

In the mean time, enjoy, you've got yourself a great setup!

- Val
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Hey Polkies, I'm ready to join the club, but I need some advice. I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on an Onkyo 908 HTiB, but I've got one question. I'm seriously considering getting the 908 and a pair of Polk RTi4s to replace the fronts. I can't have huge bookshelf speakers for my surrounds because of low WAF, but I could get away with it for the fronts. I need the upscaling DVD player that comes with 908 and small satellites to please the wife if I want 7.1. My budget is $1000. Would this be completely retarded or a good idea?

Also, would it be worth $40 to upgrade to the RTi6 instead of RTi4?
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...I'm seriously considering getting the 908 and a pair of Polk RTi4s to replace the fronts... I need the upscaling DVD player that comes with 908 and small satellites to please the wife if I want 7.1. My budget is $1000.

With your budget I would actually go separates - you have enough money to do much better than a HTIB - and ONKYO is a good one, too. I have started similarly, but have now replaced everything piece by piece, although I could have kept the Onkyo AVR - they are excellent for the money.

I think the day you hear RTi4's with the rest of Onkyo speakers you'll immediately start looking for an upgrade, which will quickly push you over the budget.

Here's what I'd do with a $1000 and your constraints.

avr - $250 - any solid brand with the features you want
dvd - $100
polk rm10 - $270
polk rti4 - $180
sub - $200 - the best you can get

comes exactly to $1000

The tweeters in RTi and RM series are somewhat similar, and I know a few people at CP mix them
post #1312 of 35015
Thanks for the suggestion. I definitely want the Onkyo 605 or 705 for my avr so that's $400 right there. That, plus shipping on those other items would push it closer to $1500 I'm afraid. Do you think the rm10s plus a $200 sub would sound a whole lot better than the Onkyo HT750s that come with the 908 HTiB?

Oh, and is it worth $40 to get the RTi6? $201 shipped for RTi4, $240 shipped for RTi6 at Amazon.
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Originally Posted by jwittenmyer View Post

... I'm seriously considering getting the 908 and a pair of Polk RTi4s to replace the fronts. I can't have huge bookshelf speakers for my surrounds because of low WAF

I am not sure of the wisdom of getting a HTiB to immediately upgrade bits of it, especially since your three front speakers will no longer be matched. Have you priced the equivalent Onkyo AVR on it's own to figure out how much you can get it for?

If you can get the RTi6 for $40 more, it's probably a good idea, but then you'll be itching to get a CSi5 center (your HTiB center is going to be terrible paired with totally different front speakers, so you should ideally be getting a CSi3 with RTi4, or a CSi5 with RTi6). Remember the three front speakers should match as closely as possible. Remember also that a phantom center will work perfectly in situations where front speaker placement is already optimal.

As for small rears, well, vinipux has a decent solution to that. Another cheaper solution would be R150 if they are small enough, and Fry's frequently sell them for $50 a pair! Right now, they're about $85 for a pair shipped from amazon.com:
- http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/products/R150/

You could also find something like MiniMonitors used (about $75 shipped on e-Bay). They may be ten year old Polks, but they are great little speakers IMO (I have four) and Polk sound over the years is similar enough for them to match with your RTi4/6.

For $1000, you have no necessity to stay with a HTiB, especially if you intend upgrading so soon.
post #1314 of 35015
Onkyo 605 - $407
Polk RTi 4 - $201
Polk RM10 - $300
1080p DVD - $100

That's $1000 before I even buy a sub. The R150's are definitely too big to pass WAF.

What about if I went like this:

Onkyo 908 HTiB - $748
Polk RTi 4 - $201
Polk CSi 3 - $160

That would be $1109, which I could probably swing, and I'd end up with the Onkyo surrounds and sub with the Polks in front and center. Plus, Amazon gives a pair of Onkyo speaker stands for Free when you buy the 908 and I could sell the iPod dock on Ebay. Hell, I guess I could even sell the Onkyo fronts and center on Ebay as well don't you think?

Would it make that much of a difference if I put the RTi6's with the CSi3? I feel like I'm passing up a really good deal if I get the RTi4's when I could have the RTi6's for only $40 more. But I certainly can't afford a CSi5.
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Any suggestions on getting these in-ceiling POLK (RC60i WHT):http://http://shop4.outpost.com/prod...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG
I've been thinking of in-ceiling options due to the layout of my living room and surrounding areas (open floorplan with 2 story foyer, columns separating Liv.Rm. and breakfast area). I don't need much, just to provide ambient sound throughout, and eventually to support an A2, Blu Ray or both.
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Would the The Pioneer Elite 92 (130wpc) be enough to pusht the Polk Rti a7s in a surround sound setting?

I do not have the need for a 7.1 setting at this time, just not sure if I would need the extra power for the two fronts or not.

Forgive me, a bit new to bi-amping.

Any help would be much appriciated.
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Originally Posted by The X Factor View Post

Would the The Pioneer Elite 92 (130wpc) be enough to pusht the Polk Rti a7s in a surround sound setting?

All decent AVRs will get good sound from these, even 50w per channel harman/kardon AVRs (since h/k rate their receivers "all channels driven", not just two ... or one!) but no AVR can deliver as much clean power as an external amp. An external amp (not the same as bi-amping BTW) rated at 100w per channel will deliver more power to each channel than the Pioneer rated at 130w. If you already have the Pioneer, then you'll get good results and you can add external amplification as a really major upgrade when you're ready. If you don't have the Pioneer yet, you might want to consider other options that might cost less in the long run. It's not just a question of "how loud" BTW, but also a question of "how good".
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Originally Posted by Kex View Post

All decent AVRs will get good sound from these, even 50w per channel harman/kardon AVRs (since h/k rate their receivers "all channels driven", not just two ... or one!) but no AVR can deliver as much clean power as an external amp. An external amp (not the same as bi-amping BTW) rated at 100w per channel will deliver more power to each channel than the Pioneer rated at 130w. If you already have the Pioneer, then you'll get good results and you can add external amplification as a really major upgrade when you're ready. If you don't have the Pioneer yet, you might want to consider other options that might cost less in the long run. It's not just a question of "how loud" BTW, but also a question of "how good".


The receiver is already in. I took back a Onkyo 705 for audio the audio sync issues.

Loud isn't my forte, just looking for a clean sound. I just want to make sure that I have enough at the moment(until i buy a separate amp).

Would I really gain anything (audibly) from bi-amping those speakers, or just keep as is until I can get a sep. amp?

Thanks for the advice.
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What do you guys think of the RM6750 as my sub/sur/back in my suggested setup from above? Do you think the 6750 is better than the Onkyo HT750? The satellites seem very similar, but the Onkyo has a 10" sub. It's tough to find an apples to apples comparison of the specs though.
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Originally Posted by jwittenmyer View Post

What do you guys think of the RM6750 as my sub/sur/back in my suggested setup from above? Do you think the 6750 is better than the Onkyo HT750? The satellites seem very similar, but the Onkyo has a 10" sub. It's tough to find an apples to apples comparison of the specs though.

I think vin's suggestion is better. If you need sat surrounds, then go with the RM. The little 6750s...meh. Also, get a real sub, the Bic H100 the AV123 x-sub, the Cadence 12" are all excellent choices.
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