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post #13291 of 18631
4/23/12 at 10:17am
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How do you connect 4 A9s to your front in a 7.2 setup? Two of them are front speakers, then you have a center, and what are the other two connected as?

If I may butt in on behalf of Geoff, as "wides" (as opposed to rears)...

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End of next month my friend, a 7.2 set up with an extra set of A9's in the wide spot.
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post #13292 of 18631
4/23/12 at 10:32am
I am looking at specs of 70-RT In-ceiling speakers in Polk Audio site. The mounting depth for 70-RT is about 8 inches where as some of the older models RTi need only around 2 to 3 inches for mounting depth in the ceiling.
Say i am going with sheet rock ceiling, does anyone think 8 inches of mounting depth will have any issues when i am trying to install this speaker in the ceiling?
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post #13293 of 18631
4/23/12 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by billt1111 View Post

How do you connect 4 A9s to your front in a 7.2 setup? Two of them are front speakers, then you have a center, and what are the other two connected as?

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If I may butt in on behalf of Geoff, as "wides" (as opposed to rears)...

Thanks Rob!

@ Billit; I have a normal 5.1 with A9's as mains. Very soon, I'll have a 7.2 by adding a second Empire and a second set of A9's in the wide channel. I had my Monitor 70's there before I sold them and you can really tell the difference. I was surprised at how much sound comes through the wide channel.

I was running M40's as wides and when I switched to M70's, the difference was phenomenal. And now, with nothing in the wides spot, it almost seems like the surrounds overpower the front stage in comparison.

I was going to use a set of A7's but I thought, what the heck.
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post #13294 of 18631
4/23/12 at 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by Geoff4RFC View Post

I was running M40's as wides and when I switched to M70's, the difference was phenomenal... I was going to use a set of A7's but I thought, what the heck.

Yeah, GO FOR IT! If there's one thing I've learned it's that no upgrade is ever trivial.
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post #13295 of 18631
4/23/12 at 2:03pm
@Geoff4RFC:

What amp are you running those A9's with?
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post #13296 of 18631
4/23/12 at 7:33pm
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Originally Posted by EndersShadow View Post

@Geoff4RFC:

What amp are you running those A9's with?

I'm just using an Onkyo 509 receiver............................................

Okay, JK. I've got my A9's on an Emo 300w amp, was bi-amping them with an Emo 200w to the top and 300 to the bottom. But now it's back to 300 only and the other 2ch of 200w are feeding my FX's.

When I get my second set of A9's, I'm bringing a pair of Emo XPA-1's, so 500w for the mains, 300w for the wides, 200w for the center and surrounds. A second Empire and by golly, that should just about do it
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post #13297 of 18631
4/25/12 at 6:35am
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Originally Posted by Geoff4RFC View Post

I'm just using an Onkyo 509 receiver............................................

Okay, JK. I've got my A9's on an Emo 300w amp, was bi-amping them with an Emo 200w to the top and 300 to the bottom. But now it's back to 300 only and the other 2ch of 200w are feeding my FX's.

When I get my second set of A9's, I'm bringing a pair of Emo XPA-1's, so 500w for the mains, 300w for the wides, 200w for the center and surrounds. A second Empire and by golly, that should just about do it

Geoff, didn't you know that Emo's are junk and sound overly harsh and bright?
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post #13298 of 18631
4/25/12 at 11:59am
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Originally Posted by EndersShadow View Post

@Geoff4RFC:

What amp are you running those A9's with?

Why do you ask, young Enders?

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Geoff, didn't you know that Emo's are junk and sound overly harsh and bright?

Well of course, that's why I love them so.
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post #13299 of 18631
4/25/12 at 5:32pm
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Originally Posted by Geoff4RFC View Post

Why do you ask, young Enders?



Well of course, that's why I love them so.

Because I wanted to be sure you were using an amp for those A9's rather than an AVR, otherwise adding another set wouldnt do that much for you IMHO.
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post #13300 of 18631
4/25/12 at 9:43pm
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Because I wanted to be sure you were using an amp for those A9's rather than an AVR, otherwise adding another set wouldnt do that much for you IMHO.

Well of course my brother!!! Who do you think I am, Ravioli????
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post #13301 of 18631
4/28/12 at 3:15pm
Let me begin by stating I have always loved music, being new to this about 10 years ago I bought a Sony receiver and speaker package. Later upgrading pieces at a time like any college student. Jump to about 3 years ago I purchased and Onkyo TX-SR806 and 2 Polk VM 30s and a Polk CS20 center with Bose 301 rear and side speakers with Polk PSW505 sub. I have slowly phased out my Bose speakers. I current system has 2 Polk VM30 front 2 Polk rt1000 for side 2 Polk rt800 for my rear, CS20 center, polk psw505 sub. I purchased the vm30 for the design and clarity like most other owner you need a good sub to go with it. So I connected a small 150 watt Polk sub to the vm30 via the speaker wire from the receiver then it goes to the vm30 to "create" full band front speakers.
My question is as follows I have a Polk cs400 center would sound better with my system?
I also have another set of Polk rt1000 in my bedroom with Polk rt/ fx surround powered by my onkyo TX-SR606 the cs400 is from the bedroom where sound isn't as important.
I was also considering moving the vm30 with the small sub to the bedroom and moving the rt1000 to my living room. So my living would then have 4 rt1000 and 2 rt800 stil not sure which center the 20 or 400.
I think my living room would then be a bit low end heavy.
I welcome any and all suggestions.
Thank you in advance.
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post #13302 of 18631
4/29/12 at 1:14pm
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Originally Posted by rebuy View Post


When you Bi-Amp you have to use Two Amps, thus the term Bi-Amp.
What you're probably thinking is Bi-Wiring, where you run a 2 sets of wires to one speaker from the same receiver. One for lows and one for highs. A lot of people think it's a waste of time and the results get mixed reviews.

Here's the problem I see with what you want to do. First, the receiver you have is weak when switched to 5.1 and even weaker when asked to play 7.1.
When you bi-wire your speakers from the same receiver you have to use another set of output channels to make the second connection to the same speaker. When you do this, it puts additional strain on the receivers amp section and causes a power drop. It might make your receivers power drop so low that it puts your receiver in danger of "clipping" when trying to turn up the volume. I will use my receiver as an example of a power drop, look at the numbers here.

My receiver is rated at 100 WPC, is high current with discreet amps.

AV Receiver Reviews
Onkyo TX-SR608 A/V Receiver HT Labs Measures
HT Labs Measures

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 82.3 watts
1% distortion at 84.7 watts

Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 30.9 watts
1% distortion at 40.1 watts

You can see even with this amp section, I get a 17% power loss in the 5.1 mode and a 60 to 70% drop in 7.1. I might be wrong but I think the Onkyo amps are more heavy duty than the one found in normal Pioneer units.

Because of the power drop and the danger of clipping the amps which in turn burns up a speaker, I would not use this receiver in a 7.1 set up.

You want plenty of good clean power for your speakers and bi-wiring might or might not make an audible difference. I don't think this is your receiver but look at these numbers.

Pioneer VSX-1120 A/V Receiver HT Labs Measures

HT Labs Measures

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 47.0 watts
1% distortion at 52.3 watts

Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 38.9 watts
1% distortion at 47.1 watts

I would just run one set of wire to the Polks and be happy.
I would not bi-wire due to the power drop.

But that's just me, your results may vary.

I hope this helps you...

I guess it depends on the amp. Some amps are better quality and don't drop in power that much. I have a Onkyo NR609 and I notice a slight difference at higher volumes when I biamp my Monitor 60s. I guess my amp can supply enough power still when running 7 channels.

It's rated 100 wpc but it puts out about 80 wpc @ .1% D when running 7 channels. So this means it can supply 160 watts for each l/r speakers when biamping. That's more than 100 wats.
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post #13303 of 18631
4/29/12 at 3:47pm
Change of plan Polkies, i decided to ditch the Sub and moved it to my bedroom. People would put their cups/feet on it, NTM my nephew goofing around, plus i do most of my music listening in my room, the living room should look cleaner as well.

I want to know if anyone out there has the Monitor 50s to give me an idea of their bass output for movie viewing?? I know it won't be as good as a sub, but i want to know if the 50s will be good enough or should i spring for the 60s? I read some reviews and most say you should add a sub, but one fellow said it was nice and tight bass good enough for him, even shook the walls a bit
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post #13304 of 18631
4/29/12 at 6:07pm
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Originally Posted by Kingcarcas View Post

I want to know if anyone out there has the Monitor 50s to give me an idea of their bass output for movie viewing?? I know it won't be as good as a sub, but i want to know if the 50s will be good enough or should i spring for the 60s? I read some reviews and most say you should add a sub, but one fellow said it was nice and tight bass good enough for him, even shook the walls a bit

I would go M70's personally. I sold mine locally, but when I did my demo for the guy, I had my XPA-2 hooked up to it and did a demo with the "Kill box" sene from IM2 with and w/out the sub.

The M70 put out some bass and I can't imagine the M50 or M60 being able to match that, esp. without having some power plugged into them.

The M70 put out so much bass, the buyer said he was relieved that he didn't have to scramble so quickly to get a sub.
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post #13305 of 18631
4/29/12 at 6:36pm
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I would go M70's personally. I sold mine locally, but when I did my demo for the guy, I had my XPA-2 hooked up to it and did a demo with the "Kill box" sene from IM2 with and w/out the sub.

The M70 put out some bass and I can't imagine the M50 or M60 being able to match that, esp. without having some power plugged into them.

The M70 put out so much bass, the buyer said he was relieved that he didn't have to scramble so quickly to get a sub.

+1

I have the 50's + sub and you do really need a sub for low end in movies. My parents have the 70's and they are worth the step up if your plans do not include a sub. You wont be horribly disappointed with just the 50's, but the jump to 60's isn't much better.
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post #13306 of 18631
4/29/12 at 7:13pm
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Originally Posted by upstate-avfan-da View Post


+1

I have the 50's + sub and you do really need a sub for low end in movies. My parents have the 70's and they are worth the step up if your plans do not include a sub. You wont be horribly disappointed with just the 50's, but the jump to 60's isn't much better.

I have 60s and no sub in my apartment, and I often turn down the volume during movies for fear my neighbors will come knocking... but it has been a long time since I had an HT sub so I probably just don't know what I'm missing.
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post #13307 of 18631
4/29/12 at 7:39pm
I own all of the monitor series but the 50s and cs1, and all I can say if the difference between the 50s and 60s is anything like the difference between the 30s and 40s, then yes get the 70s.
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post #13308 of 18631
4/29/12 at 8:12pm
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Originally Posted by Geoff4RFC View Post


I would go M70's personally. I sold mine locally, but when I did my demo for the guy, I had my XPA-2 hooked up to it and did a demo with the "Kill box" sene from IM2 with and w/out the sub.

The M70 put out some bass and I can't imagine the M50 or M60 being able to match that, esp. without having some power plugged into them.

The M70 put out so much bass, the buyer said he was relieved that he didn't have to scramble so quickly to get a sub.

Im with you

I have the 60s and they put out tight bass when at louder volumes. Not much at lower volume. The bigger drivers on the 70s would give better bass. I'm glad I have a sub because the bass is not enough.
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post #13309 of 18631
4/29/12 at 8:57pm
the Monitor 70's have 1 tweeter, 2 mids and 2 woofers, whereas the 60's have 1 tweeter and 3 mids... 50's 1 tweeter and 2 mids...
with no sub, go with the 70's. With a capable sub (or 2 ) the 50's , crossed over at 80hz, are equivalent. To me... IMO... and yes, I tried every variation I could... I own a pair of 70's and a pair of 50's, with a CS2 center channel. When I got them I was using a sub from an Onkyo HTIB, i know... , but when I got a real sub (HSU VTF3 mk3) and crossed them over at 80hz, there was truly no audible difference with the 50's or the 70's used as fronts.
hope it helps someone....
Joseph
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post #13310 of 18631
4/30/12 at 5:12am
Buy the best speakers you can afford. I started with M50's and a CS1 and quickly moved up to M60's and a CS2. The 50's and especially the CS1 were just too weak for our living room. I used the 60's for two years before moving up to M70's about a year ago. Every step up has made a notable difference in sound.

Starting this year I upgraded to Polk's RTi line and am currently in the process of selling off all my Monitors. Again, big difference in sound. The only place where I am satisfied with the sound of the Monitors is the M40's in the bedroom, which is about half the size of the living room. The 40's are very similar to the 50's and I have sometimes toyed with the idea of putting the 50's there in the BR.

I am frequently impressed with the bass output of the 40's when listening to music. I have a 10" sub in there also but usually leave it off. But again this is a smaller room and if I ever watch a movie it is at low volume late at night. So as you intend to use M50's in a small room it may work out okay without a sub. Much depends on what you expect to get out of them.
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post #13311 of 18631
4/30/12 at 7:42am
Hi folks. First off, I have a very nice, for me at least, dedicated home theater, so no need to go crazy for this set up. Here is my dedicated home theater http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post19049144

Heres my problem/question :
I have a dedicated room that I watch tv in with an occasional blu ray here and there. The speakers are powered with a Pioneer VSX 1014TX, so I have plenty of power. Currently I have the Polk RM10 5.1 set up ( http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/p...s/recent/rm10/ ) which has been ok for what it is.

A few weeks ago the sub died, which was no great loss anyway. I've bought a new sub, BIC F12, and was thinking of upgrading the rest of the speakers too. Here's what I'm thinking

Polk CS10 for the center. I can't go bigger due to space.

Polk TSi200 for fronts

Polk TSi100 for the rears

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Polk TSi 100 for all four speakers

Again, this is only going to be for tv watching and occasional blu rays. No music listening at all on this set up. Really want to keep it around $500.00. Right now the center, Polk CS10 is $109.99 at Crutchfield which is cheaper than any other place, including Amazon.

The price difference between a pair of 100's and 200's is only $15.00, but my current fronts are wall mounted, and the 200's look to be a bit too big for wall mounting as speaker stands for the front aren't really feasable. Rears will be on stands though.

So, what do you guys think ?

Thanks in advance.
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post #13312 of 18631
4/30/12 at 8:28am
Go for the 200's. You'll be glad for the extra driver. The CS10 is a nice center too.
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post #13313 of 18631
4/30/12 at 11:01am
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Originally Posted by ferrari fan View Post

Hi folks. First off, I have a very nice, for me at least, dedicated home theater, so no need to go crazy for this set up. Here is my dedicated home theater

Heres my problem/question :
I have a dedicated room that I watch tv in with an occasional blu ray here and there. The speakers are powered with a Pioneer VSX 1014TX, so I have plenty of power. Currently I have the Polk RM10 5.1 set up ] ) which has been ok for what it is.

A few weeks ago the sub died, which was no great loss anyway. I've bought a new sub, BIC F12, and was thinking of upgrading the rest of the speakers too. Here's what I'm thinking

Polk CS10 for the center. I can't go bigger due to space.

Polk TSi200 for fronts

Polk TSi100 for the rears

OR

Polk TSi 100 for all four speakers

Again, this is only going to be for tv watching and occasional blu rays. No music listening at all on this set up. Really want to keep it around $500.00. Right now the center, Polk CS10 is $109.99 at Crutchfield which is cheaper than any other place, including Amazon.

The price difference between a pair of 100's and 200's is only $15.00, but my current fronts are wall mounted, and the 200's look to be a bit too big for wall mounting as speaker stands for the front aren't really feasable. Rears will be on stands though.

So, what do you guys think ?

Thanks in advance.

Get the CS10 from newegg. Its $10 cheaper and free shipping.
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post #13314 of 18631
5/3/12 at 7:47am
The June issue of Home Theater mag has glowing reviews of the LSiM700 series and DSWuPro3000... in case you've been wondering what to do with that tax refund
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post #13315 of 18631
5/7/12 at 3:31pm
Well, I gotta say, I love polk. I have a pretty budget system but now I understand why everyone says the polk tsi line is one of the best budget speakers around.

I just upgraded to polk tsi400s for fronts, cs10 center and fxia4 surrounds and it sounds amazing for both music and HT. Using a valodyne dls4000r for a sub.

+1 for Polk!!!
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post #13316 of 18631
5/7/12 at 5:22pm
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Originally Posted by Jinjuku View Post

Geoff, didn't you know that Emo's are junk and sound overly harsh and bright?

Really? You are purely trying to start something with that comment and you fully know it!
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post #13317 of 18631
5/7/12 at 5:29pm
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Really? You are purely trying to start something with that comment and you fully know it!

I have the feeling that Jinjuku was just kidding....see the big smile at the end of his/her quote?
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post #13318 of 18631
5/7/12 at 5:36pm
I am sure he will say the same. But you do not know his "habits" like I do.
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post #13319 of 18631
5/7/12 at 5:45pm
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I am sure he will say the same. But you do not know his "habits" like I do.

quit trolling and go away. if you comprehended the post and the follow up post you would have seen and interchange between two users in jest.

You are the one here with bad habits...always trying to stir the ****...get lost.
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5/7/12 at 5:50pm
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I am sure he will say the same. But you do not know his "habits" like I do.

Oh, that I didn't know. I have two Emo's driving my Polks and I'm very happy with them.
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