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post #13741 of 35288
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Originally Posted by Jinjuku View Post

After owning Parasound/Adcom I would disagree and say your experience may fall flat in a proper level matched SBT A/B/X.

I have compared the XPA-3 to a NAD C272 and they both did a great job on some PSB Synchrony Ones. Even the D&M rep (they own Denon/Marantz/PSB/NAD and a few others) couldn't fault the Emotiva vs the NAD.

Let's philosophy. Does anyone else think that our experiences may be much like the chaos theory (or even the butterfly effect) with all of the room, hearing limitations, cables, music, amp, speaker, and experience variables with no two circumstances every being the same. I'm not sure we will ever be able to reproduce the exact sound in any two homes with any components... One system may sound like mush in another room with different music... LOL
post #13742 of 35288
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Originally Posted by climber07 View Post

Let's philosophy. Does anyone else think that our experiences may be much like the chaos theory (or even the butterfly effect) with all of the room, hearing limitations, cables, music, amp, speaker, and experience variables with no two circumstances every being the same. I'm not sure we will ever be able to reproduce the exact sound in any two homes with any components... One system may sound like mush in another room with different music... LOL

When things are said in the absolute (which it was) all the stuff you pointed out goes out the window unfortunately.

When persons say "Emotiva isn't 'musical' " they never say: In my setup, in my room, with x or y cables. They simply say "Emotiva isn't 'musical'".
post #13743 of 35288
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Originally Posted by Jinjuku View Post

When things are said in the absolute (which it was) all the stuff you pointed out goes out the window unfortunately.

When persons say "Emotiva isn't 'musical' " they never say: In my setup, in my room, with x or y cables. They simply say "Emotiva isn't 'musical'".

Agreed, Mystik's room may have been the culprit, or someother unforseen connection.

My emo is very musical and works great in my set up.
post #13744 of 35288
Climber07.. thanks for the input.. I think that kind of seals it for me on the 1712... I was looking at refurbs thats why these models came up. I can get the 1712 for $229. I was leaning towards it anyway. Thanks for the info on optical, I was just told it was the best so if i could do it, do it. I have everything running HDMI now so that will suffice. If i have to upgrade receivers in the future then I will in a couple years at tax time when I have more money to spend on a single component.. this is just to really upgrade my HTIB that is 5 years old and falling apart. So this is just getting me started in true HT. Think this will be a good inexpensive jump. I will have in my whole system what some spend on a single tower and will make me very happy for my needs. All polk speakers except the sub and a lower end denon receiver. A heck of a budget system. Thanks for all your guys help! I will still have plenty of newb questions for you polkies when I start ordering my monitor 40's and so on.
post #13745 of 35288
No problems deboardfam. That is a steal for an AVR. You are going to get the same signal (possibly even better) through HDMI. Optical is always better than RCA, but with the copper to optical conversion on one end then optical to copper conversion on the other, you are inserting a middle man. I've actually found some optical inputs and outputs don't always sync properly (e.g. give you some stutter problems or video audio lag occasionally). Especially when you are using lower cost satellite receivers and game consoles. HDMI audio is transmitted (uncompressed digital) simultaneously with the video preventing sync issues.

You would be amazed at how simple the technology behind fiber optic conversion is. Literally a couple of low cost discrete components. I don't want these additional parts in my audio path as they add propagation delay in the signal.

"plenty of newb questions for you polkies when I start ordering my monitor 40's and so on." from one newb to another I guess... LOL
post #13746 of 35288
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Originally Posted by deboardfam View Post

Receiver question, I am looking at several.. the Denon AVR-791... the Denon 1712... or the Onkyo HT-R590... all are 7.1.. the onkyo is cheaper and has more options as far as inputs etc. (my plan was to run two opticals as inputs, one being my Directv HR24 and the other the ps3) I know onkyo are having some problems with several of their models but I didnt see this one listed. I am leaning towards the 1712 but it is the more expensive one out of this list and has similar features to the others. Ideas between these?

I have the Denon 790 (2010 version of the 791) and have been very happy with it for the past two years. I ended up buying it when I went to Best Buy to buy an Onkyo.... the Onk and Denon were side by side in the demo room, and the Onk was HOT.... I mean REALLY HOT, while the Denon right next to it was barely warm. That sold me on the Denon. And I am still using it, even though I recently bought a larger, newer model Denon (the 3312CI) because it was on closeout and I couldn't pass up the terrific price.

The 790 has 4HDMI inputs, two optical and two digital coax, and I am using them all. I have EVERYTHING hooked up to it. The newer 3312CI has more stuff on it, but if it were not on sale I would continue to use the 790. Read Batpig's explanation of Denon model numbers and everything will make more sense. I believe you would be happy with the 791 if it is the most affordable of the three.
post #13747 of 35288
Thanks rob and climber again lol..

Next question. I think the BIC 12 is overkill for my situation and I had originally planned to buy the 50 watt 10" polk sub. It is hard to find good reviews. In my room (12x17) In which my couch is actually in the middle of sort of, with polk 40's up front, 30's in the rear, and a cs2 center, that 50w 10" should be plenty. The crappy HTIB 8" i have now thats not even powered is actually pretty good just upgrading because one of my speakers is broken and the center is VERY lacking. What do you guys think? I have $200 in amazon gift cards coming tommorow. I could buy the 50w 10" sub and the wall mount I need for my tv. Or buy the BIC which, looks decent, but, i think would be overkill and be unbalanced or not used to full potential with what I am looking for. I am not building a massive home theater, just something to upgrade my HTIB in my medium-small living room.
post #13748 of 35288
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Originally Posted by deboardfam View Post

Thanks rob and climber again lol..

Next question. I think the BIC 12 is overkill for my situation.

I would think the Bic 12 would be ideal for your set up. I wouldn't underrate a sub, I had two subs in the beginning, a 12" and an 8". The 8" actually outperformed the 12, but they were crappy subs and really didn't do much for my system.

Once I got my Empire, I had a whole new H.T.

Now, I'm not suggesting you get an Empire, but I started with mine in a bedroom set up that was 14 x 9.

I'm now in a dedicated H.T. room at 26.5 x 15.5 and I'm getting a second Empire. The Bic 12 should do you proud.
post #13749 of 35288
After reading neweggs reviews there are so many back and forth on the psw10.. I just have no idea lol. I have also read reviews on the acoustic audio subs. Those seem decent for cheap.
post #13750 of 35288
Most here would agree that you should avoid the PSW10. OTOH the PSW505 seems to be very well liked, and occasionally can be found on sale for $200 from both NewEgg and Amazon. You already know my opinion of the F12
post #13751 of 35288
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Originally Posted by RobLee View Post

Most here would agree that you should avoid the PSW10.

YES, with a 20000000 foot pole avoid that sub.

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Originally Posted by RobLee View Post

OTOH the PSW505 seems to be very well liked, and occasionally can be found on sale for $200 from both NewEgg and Amazon.

Its more of its one of VERY few subs recommended from Polk. The PSW line (exception being the 505) is NOT worth the cash. The DSW line is QUITE good.

I would suggest spending at least 300-400 on a GOOD sub. You will find that most of us that got a sub for less than that either have or are in the process of replacing it with a better one.

Two brands to look at are: HSU (the STF-1 & STF-2), Elemental Designs (the A2-300). The HSU offerings are FAR better than the PSW ones from Polk with the possible exception again being the 505.

Also check Polks ebay sitefor their refurb subs as well. Keep checking back as inventory changes. You can normally get a decent price on their DSW subs.
post #13752 of 35288
Thanks for the info guys.. think I will order my CS2 center and some other things I need then with my amazon cards and continue my sub search. Talked it over with the wife and we rearranged the living room last night and are going to mount the tv to the wall.. so need to order the mount too then. Gonna be fun!

Anyone have an opinion on Acoustic Audio subs? Big 200 page thread on here... decent value sub looks like.
I have heard some bad things about the polk 505 and had a friend who had one.
post #13753 of 35288
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Originally Posted by deboardfam View Post

Thanks for the info guys.. think I will order my CS2 center and some other things I need then with my amazon cards and continue my sub search. Talked it over with the wife and we rearranged the living room last night and are going to mount the tv to the wall.. so need to order the mount too then. Gonna be fun!

Anyone have an opinion on Acoustic Audio subs? Big 200 page thread on here... decent value sub looks like.
I have heard some bad things about the polk 505 and had a friend who had one.

For anyone, is the CSi A4 slightly better than the CS2? Would they be better off with the CSi. I see its a few bucks cheaper on amazon.
post #13754 of 35288
problem with rt8 polk lack of highs in stereo mode

dear all

have rtis polk 8 but with troubles lately . they do not sound well in direct or stereo mode really lack of highs !!! any thoughts what is going on?? run audissey and got the same result it has to do with the speakers. they wee working great

thanks in advance
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post #13755 of 35288
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Originally Posted by deboardfam View Post

Thanks rob and climber again lol..

Next question. I think the BIC 12 is overkill for my situation and I had originally planned to buy the 50 watt 10" polk sub. It is hard to find good reviews. In my room (12x17) In which my couch is actually in the middle of sort of, with polk 40's up front, 30's in the rear, and a cs2 center, that 50w 10" should be plenty. The crappy HTIB 8" i have now thats not even powered is actually pretty good just upgrading because one of my speakers is broken and the center is VERY lacking. What do you guys think? I have $200 in amazon gift cards coming tommorow. I could buy the 50w 10" sub and the wall mount I need for my tv. Or buy the BIC which, looks decent, but, i think would be overkill and be unbalanced or not used to full potential with what I am looking for. I am not building a massive home theater, just something to upgrade my HTIB in my medium-small living room.

I have a medium sized living room with Polk in walls. I upgraded from a crappy Sony 10" to a bic f12. If you set your cross over to 80hz ish then it will not over power. It will fill in the gap left behind from your speakers. It will give you some decent lows. I thought it would be too much for me but after I bought it I bought another one to run duals and now I am completely satisfied with the sound. It kicks in when needed and when adjusted properly sounds great.
post #13756 of 35288
I have a cs10 center. What floorstandings do you recommend for 75%movie 25% music. I have dual 12"subs so below 80hz not needed to be factored. That being said I want good mid bass kick and clean highs. Need to replace rc85i in walls. System is great for movies but music leaves me feeling lacking in those areas. Thanks in advance.
post #13757 of 35288
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Originally Posted by dunnmike View Post

I have a cs10 center. What floorstandings do you recommend for 75%movie 25% music. I have dual 12"subs so below 80hz not needed to be factored. That being said I want good mid bass kick and clean highs. Need to replace rc85i in walls. System is great for movies but music leaves me feeling lacking in those areas. Thanks in advance.

If your sticking with CS10, than I say monitor 70s. I hear CSi A5 also have good mids and highs.
post #13758 of 35288
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Originally Posted by dunnmike View Post

I have a cs10 center. What floorstandings do you recommend for 75%movie 25% music. I have dual 12"subs so below 80hz not needed to be factored. That being said I want good mid bass kick and clean highs. Need to replace rc85i in walls. System is great for movies but music leaves me feeling lacking in those areas. Thanks in advance.

You might be happy with M60's... they're about right-sized for the CS10, with three of the same 5" drivers that your CS10 has. They are also a bit brighter than the 70's but have no bottom end.

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For anyone, is the CSi A4 slightly better than the CS2? Would they be better off with the CSi. I see its a few bucks cheaper on amazon.

The A4 has 5" drivers where the CS2 has 6-inchers. Not necessarily "better". It has a better tweeter and will sound clearer, but the CS2 has a more robust output. Much depends on where you are using them and what you are pairing them with. CsiA4 is great in a smaller room, CS2 better in a larger room.
post #13759 of 35288
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Originally Posted by RobLee View Post


You might be happy with M60's... they're about right-sized for the CS10, with three of the same 5" drivers that your CS10 has. They are also a bit brighter than the 70's but have no bottom end.

The A4 has 5" drivers where the CS2 has 6-inchers. Not necessarily "better". It has a better tweeter and will sound clearer, but the CS2 has a more robust output. Much depends on where you are using them and what you are pairing them with. CsiA4 is great in a smaller room, CS2 better in a larger room.

My problem is the in walls I have are very bright and lack a good midbass. I am not opposed to upgrading the center to a cs2 and moving the cs10 to my bedroom setup. What about the 70's or tsi 400 or 500? I have also been looking at the bic 76 series lcr setup but I like polks.
post #13760 of 35288
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Originally Posted by dunnmike View Post

My problem is the in walls I have are very bright and lack a good midbass. I am not opposed to upgrading the center to a cs2 and moving the cs10 to my bedroom setup. What about the 70's or tsi 400 or 500? I have also been looking at the bic 76 series lcr setup but I like polks.

CS2 and M70's have a very full yet mellow sound stage. Some call them muffled or muddy, but it is full range and very powerful. The M60's and CS10 have a more forward sound and more midrange projection.

A year or so ago I inquired here about upgrading from my then M60's to either M70's or Tsi's. Ron Temple recommended skipping the Tsi's and moving up to RTi's, but said if I went with the M70's he was curious how I felt they compared. In other words, moving from Monitors to Tsi's is not much of an upgrade. I did but the M70's and used them for a year, but eventually moved on up to the RTi's and the difference is huge. The 70's sound good, but the RTi's sound even better. The Tsi's on the other hand, are overpriced relative to the Monitors.
post #13761 of 35288
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Originally Posted by RobLee View Post


CS2 and M70's have a very full yet mellow sound stage. Some call them muffled or muddy, but it is full range and very powerful. The M60's and CS10 have a more forward sound and more midrange projection.

A year or so ago I inquired here about upgrading from my then M60's to either M70's or Tsi's. Ron Temple recommended skipping the Tsi's and moving up to RTi's, but said if I went with the M70's he was curious how I felt they compared. In other words, moving from Monitors to Tsi's is not much of an upgrade. I did but the M70's and used them for a year, but eventually moved on up to the RTi's and the difference is huge. The 70's sound good, but the RTi's sound even better. The Tsi's on the other hand, are overpriced relative to the Monitors.

So the rti9's? I was wondering about those. Or the 5's since I have decent subs?
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I like the A5's. I hope to replace the M40's in our bedroom with A5's. They're actually a fairly large speaker, physically. Currently we have Rti10's (same as A7's) in the living room with Rti8's, same as A5's for surrounds. The 8's are just an inch or so shorter than the 10's. The A9's (Rti12's) are huge. I passed on them because of their power requirement. But if I was a younger man, that's what I'd go for.
post #13763 of 35288
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Originally Posted by RobLee View Post

I like the A5's. I hope to replace the M40's in our bedroom with A5's. They're actually a fairly large speaker, physically. Currently we have Rti10's (same as A7's) in the living room with Rti8's, same as A5's for surrounds. The 8's are just an inch or so shorter than the 10's. The A9's (Rti12's) are huge. I passed on them because of their power requirement. But if I was a younger man, that's what I'd go for.

I hear ya I'm 33 with 4 kids so not willing to put the $$$$ out for amps. Running on a denon avr. I'll look into the 5's thanks!!
post #13764 of 35288
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Originally Posted by dunnmike View Post

I hear ya I'm 33 with 4 kids so not willing to put the $$$$ out for amps. Running on a denon avr. I'll look into the 5's thanks!!

If you can make an effort (save a bit), I would recommend the RTi A7s.

Here a couple of pics, so you can compare the size of the A7s vs. A9s.

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post #13765 of 35288
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post


If you can make an effort (save a bit), I would recommend the RTi A7s.

Here a couple of pics, so you can compare the size of the A7s vs. A9s.

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For the extra $50 a speaker I might just have to jump on them. My concern is how they hold up on regular avr power.
post #13766 of 35288
I had the RTi A7s driven by a Yamaha RX-A1010 that in theory is a 135WPC, but we all know that number is not accurate when we add more speakers. In any case, my 1010 was driving the RTi A7s plus a center channel and surround/back surround speakers decently.

Keep in mind that you can add later (months or a year perhaps) a new receiver or you can score a second hand amp for your front stage. So, by going with A7s now, it might save you some bucks in the long run.

By the way, only reason that I upgraded to the RTi A9s it was because my room is 4.3K sqf and because, I had a $300.00 gift card from Newegg that I used to purchase the A9s while they were in a weekend special sale.

Just my two cents!
post #13767 of 35288
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Originally Posted by dunnmike View Post

So the rti9's? I was wondering about those. Or the 5's since I have decent subs?

It's the midrange and tweeter with the A9's that the others (A7 - 5) don't have. Go with the big dog for great sound.

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Originally Posted by dunnmike View Post

I hear ya I'm 33 with 4 kids so not willing to put the $$$$ out for amps. Running on a denon avr. I'll look into the 5's thanks!!

Shoot, I'm 52 with 3 kids and four grandkids, I'm going for the gusto, you only live once, here on earth that is.

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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

If you can make an effort (save a bit), I would recommend the RTi A7s.

Here a couple of pics, so you can compare the size of the A7s vs. A9s.

Wow, the physical size difference seems substantial, I'm getting a second set of A9's solely on the sound, to double the effect of my front sound stage.
post #13768 of 35288
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Originally Posted by Geoff4RFC View Post

Wow, the physical size difference seems substantial, I'm getting a second set of A9's solely on the sound, to double the effect of my front sound stage.

Give me more "polk" bell!!!

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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

Give me more "polk" bell!!!

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Very nice picture my brother, I'll see your POLK BELL, and rais you "More Cow Bell".

Besides CR, who can name the show, the actor and the reference?
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Saturday night live, Don't Fear the Reaper, Blue Oyster Cult sketch with Christopher Walken as music producer Bruce Dickinson, yes I said Bruce Dickinson...
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