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post #17941 of 35402

I agree with Rob. The 3312 is a fine receiver and if you don't mind a refurb you can save money.  Only a one year warranty but the extended warranties have a decent price on them. http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR3312CI/DENON-AVR-3312CI-7.2-Integrated-Network-A/V-Surround-Receiver-w/AirPlay/1.html#!warranties

 

You get good bang for the buck with Onkyo but after two models in a row failed on me (805 & 807) I was too gun shy to go back a third time.

post #17942 of 35402
I got a few questions of the HT room setup, unfortunately I have no choice but a corner setup and been looking all over for a tv stand with no luck. So decided to build my own but been struggling with fitting everything in it... Mostly its that the front speakers no matter how I did it would be out in front of the tv instead on a line.

Now I came up with this design, but am not sure if its a good idea to place my speakers as I have them. But that would make sure everything is on a line, and looks good which is also a requirement wink.gif

Wonderful paint creation...


Would that setup diminish sounds too much for movies, we are 95% going to use the HT for movies as we use a Sonos for music.
What would a setup like this do to the movies sound wise or would u say I wouldn't lose too much and it would be alright to set up like this?

here I included the room setup, its rather small...


Green Arrows is speaker direction... I cant move it out of the corner if I want to stay alive tongue.gif

Q
post #17943 of 35402
I use a corner setup and it works okay. If that's what you gotta do then that's what you gotta do. I also made a homemade riser for the flat screen and center. It sits on a $50 TV stand with casters that was actually made for a RPTV. It's ugly but it gets the job done.
post #17944 of 35402
@Stanley - I have heard a lot of people saying that the polls seems crisp and clean in the beginning and gives the wow factor, however after a while you start getting tired and fatigued listening to them. Any such experience?


I am also considering the Infinity 363.
post #17945 of 35402
If
Quote:

Thank you guys. Would the pre-outs allow me to add channels using an amplifier/s?

For example - If I used the pre-outs for the front L+R, i could use the 7 integrated channels for my center- front highs - surrounds and rears?
post #17946 of 35402
Yes!
post #17947 of 35402
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Originally Posted by Quiltar View Post

... Mostly its that the front speakers no matter how I did it would be out in front of the tv instead on a line.

... I cant move it out of the corner if I want to stay alive tongue.gif

Q

As Rob mentioned, you can make the corner work for you. I wouldn't be too concerned about having to keep everything nice and tidy as far as alignment goes (unless the WAF is bearing down hard), depending on your mains, sometimes bringing them out into the room a bit helps with reflection. My TV is wall mounted and my mains are a foot and a half away from the wall.

I made my own stand as well, it sounds like you're on your way to establishing a very nice H.T.

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Originally Posted by Optamusgrind View Post

If
Thank you guys. Would the pre-outs allow me to add channels using an amplifier/s?

For example - If I used the pre-outs for the front L+R, i could use the 7 integrated channels for my center- front highs - surrounds and rears?

You'd want to read up on the AVR's manual to see what options you have when adding an amp. Mine is a 7.2 AVR but once I add the amp to designated channels, that channel on the AVR had now been reassigned. For example, I have 5 channels amped, L, R, C and surrounds. I am currently running just those channels, but if I were to want to run something else from the AVR, my only choice now is to employ either; heights, wides or rears.

I hope this helps
post #17948 of 35402
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Originally Posted by XStanleyX View Post

I agree with Rob. The 3312 is a fine receiver and if you don't mind a refurb you can save money.  Only a one year warranty but the extended warranties have a decent price on them. http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR3312CI/DENON-AVR-3312CI-7.2-Integrated-Network-A/V-Surround-Receiver-w/AirPlay/1.html#!warranties

You get good bang for the buck with Onkyo but after two models in a row failed on me (805 & 807) I was too gun shy to go back a third time.



Thank you guys. Would the pre-outs allow me to add channels using an amplifier/s?

For example - If I used the pre-outs for the front L+R, i could use the 7 integrated channels for my center- front highs - surrounds and rears?

Sorry for double post, i quoted incorrectly the first time.
post #17949 of 35402
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Originally Posted by sid369 View Post

@Stanley - I have heard a lot of people saying that the polls seems crisp and clean in the beginning and gives the wow factor, however after a while you start getting tired and fatigued listening to them. Any such experience?


I am also considering the Infinity 363.

Sid, that could happens with the RTi series. Polk RTi speakers are in the bright side. Octaves 7 (1280Hz - 2560Hz) and 8 (2560Hz - 5120Hz) are the frequency bands that cause fatigue to the human ear. RTi speakers boost those bands pretty evidently. All my speakers are RTI A series since 4 years ago, when I got them I had a Denon 3808 and they sounded AMAZING!!! Very well balanced, not bright at all. I replaced it with an Onkyo TX-NR809 then the bright bands came alive, but so alive that cause fatigue. Long story short, Onkyo and Polk Audio RTi A = Bad combination. Onkyo receivers tents to the bright side as well, Denon receivers tents to the warm side. A friend of mine got a Denon 3313 two weeks ago so we test it with my Polk setup, after 3 hours listening to music no fatigue at all, warm sound and well balance. So if your plan is to get Polk RTi speakers then get a warm sound AVR instead of a bright one.
post #17950 of 35402
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

Both!!!! tongue.gif

Now the only problem is that I need to wait for the speaker's foot kit to replace the front ones damaged during transportation.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

That picture makes me cringe!!!

I really miss my cave and I've been admiring yours since you first posted pics of it. So I have come up with the ULTIMATE birthday plan for your wife..........You've got some killer carpentry skills and I've got some really good drywall skills, okay, here we go........I'm coming to live with you, but I'm bringing all of my gear. We're going to completely remodel "our" cave. With your soon to be 11.2 and me adding my 7.2, we will have "our" 18.4, plus, I'm bringing my soon to be "our" four Berkline power theater recliners which you can tell your wife now belongs to her. She will think this is the best birthday gift EVER!!!!! Plus, to put the icing on the cake (pun definitely intended), since "we" are rocking the overhead, your wife gets to have my PN64D8000! Is this not the best ideal ever or what?????
post #17951 of 35402
Musiciansfriend has a pair of $200 metal monitor stands for $49.

100lbs each up to 52 inches vert!

Look at their Stupid Deal of the Day link.
post #17952 of 35402
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Originally Posted by enricoclaudio View Post

Sid, that could happens with the RTi series. Polk RTi speakers are in the bright side. Octaves 7 (1280Hz - 2560Hz) and 8 (2560Hz - 5120Hz) are the frequency bands that cause fatigue to the human ear. RTi speakers boost those bands pretty evidently. All my speakers are RTI A series since 4 years ago, when I got them I had a Denon 3808 and they sounded AMAZING!!! Very well balanced, not bright at all. I replaced it with an Onkyo TX-NR809 then the bright bands came alive, but so alive that cause fatigue. Long story short, Onkyo and Polk Audio RTi A = Bad combination. Onkyo receivers tents to the bright side as well, Denon receivers tents to the warm side. A friend of mine got a Denon 3313 two weeks ago so we test it with my Polk setup, after 3 hours listening to music no fatigue at all, warm sound and well balance. So if your plan is to get Polk RTi speakers then get a warm sound AVR instead of a bright one.

Originally Posted by sid369 View Post

@Stanley - I have heard a lot of people saying that the polls seems crisp and clean in the beginning and gives the wow factor, however after a while you start getting tired and fatigued listening to them. Any such experience?
I am also considering the Infinity 363.

The OP was wondering about Polk speakers in general were induced fatigue over time. Sid, I'd suggest checking review on speakers, receivers, and amps. How large is your room? Is it a live room with hard surfaces, or a room with materials that absorb sound? What is your budget? In my experience, I found my speakers to be very neutral, and not tiring to listen to for extended periods of time. More power is always better - If you're looking at the higher end Polk speakers, find a receiver with pre-outs so you can add an external amp and get real power to them. The Denon 3313 and Onkyo TX-NR809 both have pre-outs, but I've found the user interface of the Onkyo easier to navigate than the Denon.

The Infinity 363 is an ok speaker - it's been on sale for as low as $99 per speaker. Back in the day, I really liked the Infinity Beta 50 series..Found a review of the 363 - looks like it is a 4 ohm speaker:

Snipped from: http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/floorstanding/primus-p363/primus-p363-measurements

The Downside

Like any budget-minded speaker, compromises are always made in order to hit a certain price point. The Infinity P363 tower speaker system is far from perfect, but it does many things right. For one, the almost unremovable plastic plugs on the binding posts were simply ridiculous. The overall fit and finish on these speakers is unremarkable. They certainly won’t win any beauty contests. I feel the P363’s were deliberately voiced a bit hot in the treble and upper bass regions to stand out on a noisy showroom floor. I wouldn’t characterize these speakers as being particularly neutral (expect maybe for the mids), but few if any speakers in this price class are. I would imagine the typical consumer shopping for a speaker system like this would actually appreciate the little tonal color these speakers add to the presentation however. Totally neutral speakers are unpalatable for most listeners, despite it sounding like a good design goal to aspire to.

Recommendations

The Infinity P363 floorstanding speaker system is not quite as sensitive or as easy of an amplifier load as Harman spec’d them to be. They are truly a 4-ohm speaker, so care must be taken when pairing them with modestly priced A/V receivers, especially when trying to achieve high output levels in medium to larger sized rooms. These speakers would greatly benefit from external amplification; Emotiva and Outlaw Audio come to mind as great performance/value solutions. You can run these speakers full-range but in a multi-channel setup, I’d recommend bass managing them and allowing a separate powered subwoofer to handle the bass notes below 80Hz. Only moderate toe-in is recommended on these speakers since they exhibit very uniform off-axis horizontal dispersion and produce a rather lively top end response as is.
Edited by myoda - 4/13/13 at 8:38am
post #17953 of 35402
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Originally Posted by Optamusgrind View Post

Would the pre-outs allow me to add channels using an amplifier/s? For example - If I used the pre-outs for the front L+R, i could use the 7 integrated channels for my center- front highs - surrounds and rears?

You would have to ask in the individual AVR threads (or manual). Generally the answer is NO. My Denon 3312 is 7.2 with pre-outs for all channels, and allows for channels 6 and 7 to be used either for rears, wides, or highs, but NOT any two of them concurrently, even with the external amp. It comes down to how many channels the "processor" can handle at one time, not how many amps you have available. OTOH I previously had a 5.1 AVR that allowed rears to run of an external amp (making it 7.1, though it only had 5 amps).
post #17954 of 35402
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Originally Posted by enricoclaudio View Post

Long story short, Onkyo and Polk Audio RTi A = Bad combination. Onkyo receivers tents to the bright side as well, Denon receivers tents to the warm side. A friend of mine got a Denon 3313 two weeks ago so we test it with my Polk setup, after 3 hours listening to music no fatigue at all, warm sound and well balance. So if your plan is to get Polk RTi speakers then get a warm sound AVR instead of a bright one.

Now that is truly interesting. I had not heard that before, but apparently I made the right decision.
post #17955 of 35402
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Originally Posted by enricoclaudio View Post

Sid, that could happens with the RTi series. Polk RTi speakers are in the bright side. Octaves 7 (1280Hz - 2560Hz) and 8 (2560Hz - 5120Hz) are the frequency bands that cause fatigue to the human ear. RTi speakers boost those bands pretty evidently. All my speakers are RTI A series since 4 years ago, when I got them I had a Denon 3808 and they sounded AMAZING!!! Very well balanced, not bright at all. I replaced it with an Onkyo TX-NR809 then the bright bands came alive, but so alive that cause fatigue. Long story short, Onkyo and Polk Audio RTi A = Bad combination. Onkyo receivers tents to the bright side as well, Denon receivers tents to the warm side. A friend of mine got a Denon 3313 two weeks ago so we test it with my Polk setup, after 3 hours listening to music no fatigue at all, warm sound and well balance. So if your plan is to get Polk RTi speakers then get a warm sound AVR instead of a bright one.

They are a little bright. Thanks for the detail in your description. I adjusted the equalizer on my AVR and have come to a very comfortable spot. Warm and crisp at the same time. I am going to adjust those freq bands to see how they sound.
post #17956 of 35402
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Originally Posted by myoda View Post

Originally Posted by sid369 View Post

@Stanley - I have heard a lot of people saying that the polls seems crisp and clean in the beginning and gives the wow factor, however after a while you start getting tired and fatigued listening to them. Any such experience?
I am also considering the Infinity 363.

The OP was wondering about Polk speakers in general were induced fatigue over time. Sid, I'd suggest checking review on speakers, receivers, and amps. How large is your room? Is it a live room with hard surfaces, or a room with materials that absorb sound? What is your budget? In my experience, I found my speakers to be very neutral, and not tiring to listen to for extended periods of time. More power is always better - If you're looking at the higher end Polk speakers, find a receiver with pre-outs so you can add an external amp and get real power to them. The Denon 3313 and Onkyo TX-NR809 both have pre-outs, but I've found the user interface of the Onkyo easier to navigate than the Denon.

The Infinity 363 is an ok speaker - it's been on sale for as low as $99 per speaker. Back in the day, I really liked the Infinity Beta 50 series..Found a review of the 363 - looks like it is a 4 ohm speaker:

Snipped from: http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/floorstanding/primus-p363/primus-p363-measurements

The Downside

Like any budget-minded speaker, compromises are always made in order to hit a certain price point. The Infinity P363 tower speaker system is far from perfect, but it does many things right. For one, the almost unremovable plastic plugs on the binding posts were simply ridiculous. The overall fit and finish on these speakers is unremarkable. They certainly won’t win any beauty contests. I feel the P363’s were deliberately voiced a bit hot in the treble and upper bass regions to stand out on a noisy showroom floor. I wouldn’t characterize these speakers as being particularly neutral (expect maybe for the mids), but few if any speakers in this price class are. I would imagine the typical consumer shopping for a speaker system like this would actually appreciate the little tonal color these speakers add to the presentation however. Totally neutral speakers are unpalatable for most listeners, despite it sounding like a good design goal to aspire to.

Recommendations

The Infinity P363 floorstanding speaker system is not quite as sensitive or as easy of an amplifier load as Harman spec’d them to be. They are truly a 4-ohm speaker, so care must be taken when pairing them with modestly priced A/V receivers, especially when trying to achieve high output levels in medium to larger sized rooms. These speakers would greatly benefit from external amplification; Emotiva and Outlaw Audio come to mind as great performance/value solutions. You can run these speakers full-range but in a multi-channel setup, I’d recommend bass managing them and allowing a separate powered subwoofer to handle the bass notes below 80Hz. Only moderate toe-in is recommended on these speakers since they exhibit very uniform off-axis horizontal dispersion and produce a rather lively top end response as is.


I just bough the Pioneer SC 1522 K receiver, the room is carpeted and size is 20X19 and opens to the kitchen and morning room.
post #17957 of 35402
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Originally Posted by sid369 View Post


I just bough the Pioneer SC 1522 K receiver, the room is carpeted and size is 20X19 and opens to the kitchen and morning room.

 

 

Pioneer doesn't give a rating for 4 ohms with that receiver. Just 8 and 6 ohms.  It could probably drive 4 ohms but only at modest levels. They rate it at 170 watts RMS at 6 ohms but that's at 1kHz. Not 20Hz-20kHz.

 

 

The good news is it has pre-outs for an amplifier.

post #17958 of 35402
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Originally Posted by defdog99 View Post

Musiciansfriend has a pair of $200 metal monitor stands for $49.

100lbs each up to 52 inches vert!

Look at their Stupid Deal of the Day link.

 

Sold out. That was quick.

post #17959 of 35402

Somebody hold me back. I've got a horrible itch to try these out. Sure has a good price on them if they are as good as they look.

 

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ele/3741928008.html

post #17960 of 35402
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Originally Posted by XStanleyX View Post

Somebody hold me back. I've got a horrible itch to try these out. Sure has a good price on them if they are as good as they look.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ele/3741928008.html
Hold you back??!

Go pick those puppies up man or you will always wonder what if.....
post #17961 of 35402
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Originally Posted by EndersShadow View Post


Hold you back??!

Go pick those puppies up man or you will always wonder what if.....

 

Yeah, I sent him an e-mail. Hopefully he'll respond. I'd probably play with them for awhile and swap them with my son for his M70's and sell the M70's. He'd have to make up the difference. Unless of course they sound better than my current speakers but I'm kinda doubting they will. But you never know.

post #17962 of 35402
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Originally Posted by XStanleyX View Post

Somebody hold me back. I've got a horrible itch to try these out. Sure has a good price on them if they are as good as they look.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ele/3741928008.html

Brother-in-law and sister tried to hold me back from Frys today, but I ended up with a pair of RTI6's for $190 out the door. Gonna be either rears, or heights, or wides, i'll find a use for them lol.
post #17963 of 35402
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Originally Posted by BoogerBomb View Post


Brother-in-law and sister tried to hold me back from Frys today, but I ended up with a pair of RTI6's for $190 out the door. Gonna be either rears, or heights, or wides, i'll find a use for them lol.

 

Well you usually won't find any one in these forums try and hold you back from buying audio gear.  biggrin.gif  Congrats on the 6's. smile.gif

post #17964 of 35402
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Originally Posted by XStanleyX View Post

Yeah, I sent him an e-mail. Hopefully he'll respond. I'd probably play with them for awhile and swap them with my son for his M70's and sell the M70's. He'd have to make up the difference. Unless of course they sound better than my current speakers but I'm kinda doubting they will. But you never know.


I would keep em around to haul out when you want a different sound.... Speakers are like liquor, sometimes you just gotta switch up the flavor smile.gif
post #17965 of 35402
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Originally Posted by EndersShadow View Post


I would keep em around to haul out when you want a different sound.... Speakers are like liquor, sometimes you just gotta switch up the flavor smile.gif

 

Yeah, I sure understand that. I still have some KEF 104 & 104/2's when I wanna switch things up. If I like the ADS enough one of the KEF's could go. I got a reply back from the guy and gave him my phone #.  If he calls me I'll see how it goes.

post #17966 of 35402

Somebody beat me to them. Rotten bastages. I figured they'd go fast at that price.

post #17967 of 35402
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Originally Posted by RobLee View Post

You would have to ask in the individual AVR threads (or manual). Generally the answer is NO. My Denon 3312 is 7.2 with pre-outs for all channels, and allows for channels 6 and 7 to be used either for rears, wides, or highs, but NOT any two of them concurrently, even with the external amp. It comes down to how many channels the "processor" can handle at one time, not how many amps you have available. OTOH I previously had a 5.1 AVR that allowed rears to run of an external amp (making it 7.1, though it only had 5 amps).

This site is awesome! I did find the dedicated forum and learned a lot today. Yeah this is the case with this receiver per the manual, no chance of 9.1. I'm going to stick with 7.1 and stop trying to push beyond my budget. I'm listening to the Polk's I have now (on my low end receiver) and they're blowing me away. I'm sure when i upgrade to the Denon 3312 it will be even more amazing.

Thanks for all your help.
post #17968 of 35402
Stanley - where did you get the mount for your center channel? My cat is driving me nuts - I'm tired of shooing him away from my CS2... Thanks.
post #17969 of 35402
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Originally Posted by myoda View Post

Stanley - where did you get the mount for your center channel? My cat is driving me nuts - I'm tired of shooing him away from my CS2... Thanks.

 

I got mine here:  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00504G0U0/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

That's about as light duty as you'll wanna go with the CS2 but will do the job.. There's another one with 3 screws in the back but of course it costs more. You can search "center stage bracket" on amazon to see more models.

Crutchfield sells them also IIRC. Since I'm an amazon prime member I usually go with them. My son is lucky, he has two cats but they show no interest in clawing his speaker grills. He has to leave the grills on since he has a 3 year old.


Edited by XStanleyX - 4/13/13 at 10:10pm
post #17970 of 35402

That looks like a nice cat perch.
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