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Originally Posted by BIG INJUN CHIEF View Post

I run a few QSC amps in my HT with great success. Crown and QSC are top notch amps.

Big Injun Chief has a few. He also has knowledge concerning the fan noise (and how to eliminate it) for pro amps. wink.gif

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Originally Posted by ThinkRationally View Post

Unfortunately, you find this in nearly every aspect of marketing, especially technical areas. It's like digital camera megapixel wars, where they don't mention the noise introduced by denser sensors. I guess we have to take it upon ourselves to have some understanding of the specs, and know to compare the same spec from product to product.

I suspect that the Onkyo, like our Yamahas, has 7 discrete amplifiers. The bottleneck is probably the power supply.

The power supplies are indeed the choke point. Higher end AVRs have multiple transformers for video and audio sections, giving closer to the rated power output. Most AVRs and amps also have a wider range than is in the specs. The NR3009 is rated at:

140 watts minimum continuous power
per channel, 8 ohm loads, 2 channels
driven from 20 Hz to 20 kHz, with a
maximum total harmonic distortion of
0.05% (FTC)

However, the Wide Range Amplifier Technology (which are inverted Darlington amps) have a bandwidth of 5 - 100K Hz.

They do have discrete amplifiers for each channel. The NR3009's power supply is rated at 1160 watts power draw from the wall. You will get a max of about 70 percent of that to power all of the video and audio circuitry and amplifier stages. I'm not doing the RMS math with 9 channels driven. Bottom line is tht you get less than the stated power with more than two channels driven. The NR5009 comes much closer to the stated specs due to the massive toroidal transformer in the power supply. With class AB amps, the heavier is actually better...
Edited by climber07 - 5/2/13 at 1:42pm
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You could raise the tv a bit and set the center on top of the stand. May sound a bit better as well.

EDIT: Just saw the wife comment. Put it on top, she will learn to love it!
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Originally Posted by climber07 View Post

Big Injun Chief has a few. He also has knowledge concerning the fan noise (and how to eliminate it) for pro amps. wink.gif


I run 3 QSC amps in my system with great success. One for the center (QSC GX-3), one for the mains (QSC GX-5), and one for two DIY subwoofers (QSC RMX 1850). QSC (and Crown) amps have a very low noise floor but the stock fans can sound like a jet engine. The fans can either be replaced with a quieter version or you can add a resistor inline to slow them down a bit. I added resistors to the GX amps (whisper quiet) but have yet to address the RMX (soon). I think the fan in the Crown XLS 1500 is variable and only turns on after a sensor is activated at certain temps, but could be wrong (unlike XStanley tongue.gif ). Feel free to reach out to me if you need further info.
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Originally Posted by XStanleyX View Post


Sounds like the 807 I had when the HDMI board failed. Not sure if that's the real problem though. I could get video but no audio and no Ethernet either. I was able to get a one time out of warranty repair through Onkyo since it's been a common problem with them. Probably a good chance that's what it is. They had me take it to a shop in Lynwood. Took 3 weeks to get it back.
My son has it now and has been working fine after a new board was installed. Knock on wood.

Thanks Stanley, that's exactly what mine is doing, video, no audio, and it took a couple of days to go completely. I've had it for less than three years, just out of warranty, maybe I'll have the same fortune as you. Thanks for the tip.
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Originally Posted by BIG INJUN CHIEF View Post



You could raise the tv a bit and set the center on top of the stand. May sound a bit better as well.

EDIT: Just saw the wife comment. Put it on top, she will learn to love it!

+1 on this. depending on your seating level the TV may or may not need raised. but raising the center to the top of the stand will not only get it closer to the screen but also bring it more level with the drivers in the mains creating a more seamless flow of sound across the front stage.

My wife has learned to accept my HT gear as well. It may take a little while but once she gets used to sharing those movie moments with you it will be less of an evil to her. I think mine has finally forgotten how empty the room was before I moved everything in place piece at the time so as to blend it in more gradually.
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Originally Posted by edwardccm View Post

Thanks for the advice.

For the moment i will run the speakers from the Onk later on i may buy a separate amp but for now that will have to do as i dont have a lot of money. as far as the center channel the only reason i can even have a center channel as big as i do now is because i can keep it flushed in the unit. If i bought a bigger center and placed it on top my wife would rip my head I would have bigger problems than just powering these speakers. Im still trying to find a way to let my wife know of the speakers that im buying because they are way bigger than the monitor 50's that i have now..........

Here's another thing that I don't think anyone has noticed yet....btw, congrats on your new upgrades to be. The position of your 50's, while aesthetically pleasing, could be having some interference with the sides of the cabinet, reflection with the drivers off the sides of the stand.

Once you have the 12's, you'll really want to be conscious of placement with those bad boys, away from the wall and clear of the cabinet.

The CSi5 will be a much better match than the CSiA4, and then you'll want to bring that bad boy up to the front of the cabinet so there's no reflection surface in front of it.

WAF can play a huge part in aesthetics, but if you can win her over on the importance of sound distribution, or, room set up, then you should be able to place those speakers where they'll sound their best. Look up some reviews on either the 12's or some RTiA9's and let her read what they have to say about placement.

I wish you the best!
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Originally Posted by BIG INJUN CHIEF View Post

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Originally Posted by climber07 View Post

Big Injun Chief has a few. He also has knowledge concerning the fan noise (and how to eliminate it) for pro amps. wink.gif


I run 3 QSC amps in my system with great success. One for the center (QSC GX-3), one for the mains (QSC GX-5), and one for two DIY subwoofers (QSC RMX 1850). QSC (and Crown) amps have a very low noise floor but the stock fans can sound like a jet engine. The fans can either be replaced with a quieter version or you can add a resistor inline to slow them down a bit. I added resistors to the GX amps (whisper quiet) but have yet to address the RMX (soon). I think the fan in the Crown XLS 1500 is variable and only turns on after a sensor is activated at certain temps, but could be wrong (unlike XStanley tongue.gif ). Feel free to reach out to me if you need further info.

i have a xls1000 hooked up to one of our touch tunes jukeboxes and there is no fan noise at all...yes it is activated by a thermal switch. i can not believe how quiet those amps are for pro amps. not mention how cool they run.
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Originally Posted by Geoff4RFC View Post


Thanks Stanley, that's exactly what mine is doing, video, no audio, and it took a couple of days to go completely. I've had it for less than three years, just out of warranty, maybe I'll have the same fortune as you. Thanks for the tip.

 

If you have the receipt and bought it from an authorized dealer just give Onkyo support a call. I am pretty sure they will let you have it repaired for free one time. I actually did it all by e-mail and attached a photocopy of my receipt. Took about 3 days for a response and they gave me the address to take it in for repair. I'm guessing there's probably a service center in your area. There's a lot of info in the Onkyo forums were you can see all the folks who have had HDMI boards go bad. Mine was 9 months out of warranty but they still had it repaired for free.


Edited by XStanleyX - 5/2/13 at 8:39pm
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Originally Posted by XStanleyX View Post

If you have the receipt and bought it from an authorized dealer just give Onkyo support a call. I am pretty sure they will let you have it repaired for free one time. I actually did it all by e-mail and attached a photocopy of my receipt. Took about 3 days for a response and they gave me the address to take it in for repair. I'm guessing there's probably a service center in your area. There's a lot of info in the Onkyo forums were you can see all the folks who have had HDMI boards go bad. Mine was 9 months out of warranty but they still had it repaired for free.

Thanks, I actually have my 807 registered with Onkyo and did purchase it from an authorized dealer that's no longer in business, 6th AVE. I still have a copy of my receipt and yeah, I've been reading about the HDMI failures for the last couple of years. Mines a year and just over two months out of warranty, bought it 2/26/10. I couldn't find anyplace to email them but I did get the number. I'll be calling tomorrow with a hope.

Thanks again, it's crazy, watching movies for over three years with speakers in surround, and now, I've got my BR player connected to my TV, going from 1600 max watt speakers to 20 watts. To say that I've lost a little detail just doesn't describe it.
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Originally Posted by Geoff4RFC View Post

Here's another thing that I don't think anyone has noticed yet....btw, congrats on your new upgrades to be. The position of your 50's, while aesthetically pleasing, could be having some interference with the sides of the cabinet, reflection with the drivers off the sides of the stand.

Once you have the 12's, you'll really want to be conscious of placement with those bad boys, away from the wall and clear of the cabinet.

The CSi5 will be a much better match than the CSiA4, and then you'll want to bring that bad boy up to the front of the cabinet so there's no reflection surface in front of it.

WAF can play a huge part in aesthetics, but if you can win her over on the importance of sound distribution, or, room set up, then you should be able to place those speakers where they'll sound their best. Look up some reviews on either the 12's or some RTiA9's and let her read what they have to say about placement.

I wish you the best!

I brought the RTi12's home yesterday and they are huge they sound amazing though the difference in clarity is day and night. My wife wanted to kill me she did not speak to me last night she Hates the way they look and wants them out (she though the monitor 50's were big already and these make those look tiny). So I know she's not going to want a bigger center. I really can't push for a bigger center I have to make some compromises......
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any suggestions on a good retailer to purchase polk audio speakers from?
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Originally Posted by johnlaw12002 View Post

any suggestions on a good retailer to purchase polk audio speakers from?

Which ones are you interested in and where are you located?
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Originally Posted by johnlaw12002 View Post

any suggestions on a good retailer to purchase polk audio speakers from?

 

Sometime it depends on what model your looking for. Fry's has some very good sales off and on. Lots of guys, including myself, buy from Polk ebay if you don't mind buying off the internet. Amazon has a good price for the LSi15's. newegg usually has some good sales if you're patient and wait for the sale.

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Good morning! TGIF!

I apologize if my research through these hundreds of pages didn't quite answer what I'm looking for but....
We have a CS1 Series II Center Channel, and want to order off Polk Ebay the best floorstanders/towers for our den. I'm a little confused reading through Polk site, some are newer models of older series, some towers are re-designed bookshelfs, blah blah blah, so I'm left confused. I want the biggest tower sound that would match my center well enough.
If you could pick from these what would you suggest, and please explain the differences/history of these.
I really appreciate your feedback and look forward to reading your input!
thanks,
Todd

TSi300
Monitor 70
Monitor 60

those are really the only in m price range maybe these
TSi400
RTi8

thanks!

http://stores.ebay.com/Polk-Audio-Direct/Towers-Floorstanding-/_i.html?_fsub=160111119&_sid=686154689&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322
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Originally Posted by toddbigeasy View Post

Good morning! TGIF!

I apologize if my research through these hundreds of pages didn't quite answer what I'm looking for but....
We have a CS1 Series II Center Channel, and want to order off Polk Ebay the best floorstanders/towers for our den. I'm a little confused reading through Polk site, some are newer models of older series, some towers are re-designed bookshelfs, blah blah blah, so I'm left confused. I want the biggest tower sound that would match my center well enough.
If you could pick from these what would you suggest, and please explain the differences/history of these.
I really appreciate your feedback and look forward to reading your input!
thanks,
Todd

TSi300
Monitor 70
Monitor 60

those are really the only in m price range maybe these
TSi400
RTi8

thanks!

http://stores.ebay.com/Polk-Audio-Direct/Towers-Floorstanding-/_i.html?_fsub=160111119&_sid=686154689&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322

The biggest tower speakers that would match your center are the monitor 70 the other towers you mentioned match other center Chanel polk speakers.

And even then many here will tell you to purchase the bigger center cs2 if you plan on buying the monitor 70 tower speakers. Hope that helped
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Originally Posted by johnlaw12002 View Post

any suggestions on a good retailer to purchase polk audio speakers from?

1. Fry's (if you have one local)
2. Amazon.com
3. Crutchfield.com
4. NewEgg.com
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Originally Posted by edwardccm View Post

I brought the RTi12's home yesterday and they are huge they sound amazing though the difference in clarity is day and night. My wife wanted to kill me she did not speak to me last night she Hates the way they look and wants them out (she though the monitor 50's were big already and these make those look tiny). So I know she's not going to want a bigger center. I really can't push for a bigger center I have to make some compromises......

Yes, they are huge. Much of the WAF depends on whether or not your wife enjoys music and/or movies. My wife often complained that she could not understand dialogue in movies. I explained that the speakers were too small. We've noticed the same thing at her sister's house and her mother's, who have HTIB's. As we upgraded our home speakers incrementally over the past few years, she has come to notice the difference. Then she asked me why it was so much easier to understand what's being said in movies when we're at home compared even to being at the movie theater. At one point she even "wow"ed at the LF in a few of our favorite action movies. I simply said that it takes big speakers. You can't get big sound out of small speakers. She still makes occasinal snide remarks about all the hardware in our living room, but I say you do enjoy the movies and the music, right?
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I'll try to give a quick idea of how my wife and i have been through these things. We were married for 13 years with only a TV (though it was a big screen0 and a small portable Sony stereo system. The TV was a 60" but was an old rear projection and we had to move long ways in the room to view it without headaches. No surround sound at all; we listened to the TV itself. Then about 3 years ago I was finally able to get my old Marantz 2ch rig back from my sister that I had given her many years ago. That got my old wheels turning. I wont go through all the detailed changes but over about a year and a half we went from that original setup to what i now have in the living room; two separate rigs (one 2ch and one 5.1 (well actually more like 5.5)) Currently the video is a Mitsubishi 82 DLP (that was a hard sell but I had to sit her down in the store at the same viewing distance we now use from the screen and watch part of a movie. this distance is now closer than the old 60 inch had and she was happy with that because she wanted the room oriented sideways instead of longways. The surround came first in there and now consists of a Marantz AV9000/ (2)MM9000, audio Control Bijou, and Richter scale EQ's, Sony Google TV blue ray player, (4) Velodyne 10" subs and a custom 12"tactile transducer under the couch with the speakers being vintage DCM TFV8.o for mains, CX-27 rears and a Def tech center. She hated every time a i brought a piece home and added it to the system especially when she came home and I had her brand new couch upside down cutting on it and adding braces to mount the transducer underneath it. That was a bad night! My point being that each time I added a component I made her sit with me to audition, help make adjustments, etc. She did not enjoy being involved much but it forced her to hear and feel the differences each time I made improvements. The first thing she noticed was how much easier she could understand dialogue in movies. It took her a while to really get the surround sound but finally when we watched Expendibles 2 she kept looking over her left shoulder at one point. i asked what she was doing and she said she kept hearing something back there and was trying to see if it was he cat or ,God forbid, something else making the noise. It happened to be bullets zipping by in the movie. Once she realized that it made the system a little better. She doesn't care much for the transducer still, until someone else comes over and then she finds it fun to show off . Aside from all of that when I got the SRS's that room was the only reasonable room at the time to put them in. So niow I have a 16X26 room with a 26 ft wall taken up by a 2 ch rack, a pair of DCM TF V8.0, Polk SRS, mitsubishi 82"DLP w/ stand and gear and 3 subs. Once again TSHTF! I again sat her down to listen to the speakers and got her involved in how they sounded by pointing out details of the sound stage width and depth, etc. I did this also by playing some of her (man I hate to admit this) old time country music, and then progressed to her childhood memories of the 80's.

My main point with all of this is that If I can sooth my wife with all of this gear that she could originally care less about and still couldn't for the most part, then most others can as well. get them involved. they may not want to be but for the most part women do love their husbands and want to be a part of what we enjoy. Make her a part of it even if it is a huge undertaking in the beginning. Also get her something for the same room to make up for your stuff. When i got my DLP, I got her the other furniture. Hard to argue with a bargain she is part of. Also remember it is easier to ask forgiveness than permission. make small changes while she is gone and wait until she either says something about it or gets used to that and then ease something else in. Good Luck
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Originally Posted by edwardccm View Post

I brought the RTi12's home yesterday and they are huge they sound amazing though the difference in clarity is day and night. My wife wanted to kill me she did not speak to me last night she Hates the way they look and wants them out (she though the monitor 50's were big already and these make those look tiny). So I know she's not going to want a bigger center. I really can't push for a bigger center I have to make some compromises......

My wife was the same way. She was mad when I bought our first HTIB. Now, I've got the Monitor 70's, 25C, Jamo's S426, Energy EF-500 and a Klipsch RW-12 sub. She was pretty mad as to why do we meed such big speakers. However, over time she realized the sound was much better. The only issue now is that I want better speakers now...so she is mad about that too!
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Originally Posted by Geoff4RFC View Post

Thanks, I actually have my 807 registered with Onkyo and did purchase it from an authorized dealer that's no longer in business, 6th AVE. I still have a copy of my receipt and yeah, I've been reading about the HDMI failures for the last couple of years. Mines a year and just over two months out of warranty, bought it 2/26/10. I couldn't find anyplace to email them but I did get the number. I'll be calling tomorrow with a hope.

Thanks again, it's crazy, watching movies for over three years with speakers in surround, and now, I've got my BR player connected to my TV, going from 1600 max watt speakers to 20 watts. To say that I've lost a little detail just doesn't describe it.


Man, that is a bummer. Hopefully the guys/gals at Onkyo will help you out to have your receiver fixed in no time.

Oh, and stop complaining about the 20 watts....at least you can watch and hear "something"........this is what I'm watching now:






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Correct me if I'm wrong all you RTi owners out there, but I think you can take the carpet spikes (AKA "alien feet", in my mind, for the RTi models) off on that hard floor.

Wow, that pic looks a lot different than the first one you posted with what I guess was nighttime lighting in there. But it gives a much better idea of the room layout. Looks like now you're going to have to get a bigger TV to balance out that wall visually. biggrin.gif

Congrats! Glad you're already enjoying the better sound. Your wife will come around! Although mine did threaten to throw my laptop across the room if she caught me looking at more speakers online. I'm not quite sure I believe her...
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Love your decor... from the Early Contractor period? wink.gif
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Correct me if I'm wrong all you RTi owners out there, but I think you can take the carpet spikes (AKA "alien feet", in my mind, for the RTi models) off on that hard floor.

I never put mine on. They're in a bag somewhere. The LR is wall/wall carpeted but I never wanted the spikes.

So yes, they can be taken off. But in the case of the original RTi's you still have to keep the crossbar on, as the grill protrudes about an inch below the bottom of the cabinet.
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Originally Posted by mknecht01 View Post

Correct me if I'm wrong all you RTi owners out there, but I think you can take the carpet spikes (AKA "alien feet", in my mind, for the RTi models) off on that hard floor.

I would keep the spikes but get some proper spike pads to couple properly without damaging the floor and getting the wife that much angrier..
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Originally Posted by edwardccm View Post

I brought the RTi12's home yesterday and they are huge they sound amazing though the difference in clarity is day and night. My wife wanted to kill me she did not speak to me last night she Hates the way they look and wants them out (she though the monitor 50's were big already and these make those look tiny). So I know she's not going to want a bigger center. I really can't push for a bigger center I have to make some compromises......



Or she does wink.gif
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Looks Nice CR. I recently tore my room apart and rebuilt from the ceiling down. Good luck!
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I'm hoping for some opinions from you guys.
My current 5.1 setup consists of Polk Tsi300 front's a CS10 center & T300 bookshelves for surrounds. These are paired with an SVS PC12-plus sub, all ran through a Pioneer VSX-1122-K AVR. I'm going to add surround back speakers to my set up to give me a complete 7.1 setup, but because of the restraints of the room the speakers have to be mounted to the ceiling, I'm going back and forth between OWM3's or a pair of Blackstone TL2's because they both come in white and will be relatively unobtrusive. If I had it my way I'd sling my T15's that I boxed up when I got the T300's from the ceiling and call it a day but there's NO WAY the Mrs. will let that fly in our living room. Any of you guys have any experience with either the TL2 or OWM3 and could give me some feed back I'd really love it.
Thanks
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Originally Posted by BNestico View Post

I'm hoping for some opinions from you guys... I'm going back and forth between OWM3's or a pair of Blackstone TL2's because they both come in white and will be relatively unobtrusive... Any of you guys have any experience with either the TL2 or OWM3 and could give me some feed back I'd really love it.
Thanks

I used OWM3's for surrounds in the family room with a pair of Sony SS-B3000 fronts and Polk Csi3 center and they all worked together pretty well. They are definitely small speakers and you will need to cross them over to a sub at around 100Hz. Eventually we upgraded to RtiA3 fronts and Rti4 surrounds in there now but the OWM3's served us well for several years.


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Originally Posted by BNestico View Post

... because of the restraints of the room the speakers have to be mounted to the ceiling...
Restraints? Mounted to the ceiling? sounds kinky. Perhaps you mean the constraints of the room wink.gif
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Restraints? Mounted to the ceiling? sounds kinky. Perhaps you mean the constraints of the room wink.gif

Yer funny tongue.gif
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