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post #331 of 1207
Forgot to tell, I bought these from tsto open box $199.00 + ship. The best money I ever spent. I seen those evo 8s, Good deal.
post #332 of 1207
Hey TjMV3 how goes it? I catch your occasional posts in Wharfedale threads here and there but haven't had anything new to add until today. I just ordered a pair of the Evo2-10's from tsto this morning for a great price (379 for the pair). Talked to them voice before ordering to make sure they had the maple finish to match mine. Hopefully mine will arrive intact.

For other folks here I've had my Opus 2's (version 1) for about 5 years now and absolutely love them. I have an Opus 2 center to match them but until now have settled for the Pacific Evo 10's for my rear surrounds (the ones with the yellow woofers). I've always felt they were the weak spot in my set up and I'm hoping these new Evo2 10's will better match my larger front Opus 2's.

Despite the smaller Pacifics in the rear any friends who come over and listen to my system are blown away by the sound of my Wharfedales. I heartily recommend them to anyone reading here trying to make up their minds.

I'll post when my Evo2 10's come in whether they arrive undamaged.
post #333 of 1207
Hi Ice!!! It goes just fine.

How are you?

Yep, I still love my Opus 2 and Opus center channel!! Won't part with them for anything!!!

I've had a plethora of speakers coming through and still do have several other speakers. Been auditioning and buying some Jamo speakers for the rest of the house. The Jamo C607, C807, C803 and C603 all currently reside in my home. All in secondary and third systems. Even have a pair of Wharfedale Evo 30 (in Rosewood).

But the Wharfedale Opus 2 remain in the main HT/two channel room. Nothing touches that setup. These Jamo speakers are amazing designs and they sound wonderful. Great bargain in quality loudspeakers.

But the Opus 2 remain my champions

I use the Evo 10 as rears, too. I'm interested in your findings with the Evo2 10.

Ice, out curiosity. Do you know how far apart (in distance) your Opus 2 Left and Right are placed?

I've been experimenting with my Opus 2 and I found that 9 to 10 feet apart really works the best with them. Just wondering what your findings are.
post #334 of 1207
I went from a small setup to matching EVOs (40s, centre and 10s). It sounds a whole lot better and the sound field is much better defined.

Seggers
post #335 of 1207
Wharfedale just knows how to make special speakers and in so doing fashion a truly loyal following. I still have my Emerald 97s still going strong after 7 years, would not part with them for the world (well, maybe Synchrony Ones )...and yes, TjMV3, the second pair of Walnut beauties is still in climate controlled storage. With all of the speaker collecting you do, I don't think you need them. Very glad to hear you are still in love with the Opus 2s.

When you read the owner comments on certain Wharfedale models at various places on the web, it still strikes me as an amazing result considering the North American distributor problems through the years, the almost total lack of floor presence in most shops and the rather awkward re-entry into this market in the first place. I have to admit, I am nothing but thankful for that last one. Thankful to IAG and UBID both.

I now have the Emeralds tilted back slightly using spike dimples for the front. I think I like the way it looks and it certainly hasn't harmed the SQ. An added benefit ... it keeps the #*@%& cable guys from trying to write up their tickets on the tops.

Good Listening to all.
post #336 of 1207
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Originally Posted by TjMV3 View Post

I use the Evo 10 as rears, too. I'm interested in your findings with the Evo2 10.

Ice, out curiosity. Do you know how far apart (in distance) your Opus 2 Left and Right are placed?

I've been experimenting with my Opus 2 and I found that 9 to 10 feet apart really works the best with them. Just wondering what your findings are.

Currently my front left and right Opus 2's are 11' apart on center and on a plane with my plasma display. (See photos of my front set-up here http://gallery.avsforum.com/showgall...r/7437431/sl/i). I sit about 10 1/2' from my plasma. I played around with toe-in on each and currently they have only about a 5 degree toe-in. Had tried toeing them in 10-15 degrees and that seemed to lessen the width of the sound stage more than I liked. YMMV.

Interesting you should comment/ask about this because I was recently considering moving the front left and right to inside the entertainment centers piers next to the PDP. This would allow me to reposition my sub a little better as well as possibly giving me room for a plasma upgrade to a 60". If I moved them inside with my current set-up that would place them about 6 1/2' apart on center. What are your thoughts/results on putting them this close together?
post #337 of 1207
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Originally Posted by ClarkeBar View Post

and yes, TjMV3, the second pair of Walnut beauties is still in climate controlled storage. With all of the speaker collecting you do, I don't think you need them.

Sadly...or insanley...I still want to buy a pair of the Emerald 97

Just two weeks ago I was looking through audiogon and ebay for a pair.

A few years ago, when I tried, family-related problems interfered.

True I don't "need" them. But I sure as hell would love a pair
post #338 of 1207
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Originally Posted by IceTBC View Post

Interesting you should comment/ask about this because I was recently considering moving the front left and right to inside the entertainment centers piers next to the PDP. This would allow me to reposition my sub a little better as well as possibly giving me room for a plasma upgrade to a 60". If I moved them inside with my current set-up that would place them about 6 1/2' apart on center. What are your thoughts/results on putting them this close together?


Ice, I had initially tried them at 6 and 7 feet apart. Very disappointing.

It crushes the soundstage and wide dispersion of the 3" dome midrange had the midrange crashing.

Like you, I've found 9 to 10 feet really let's those babies breathing and flexing their muscles. It's absolutely breathtaking.

Not so much at 6 to 7 feet
post #339 of 1207
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Originally Posted by TjMV3 View Post

Ice, I had initially tried them at 6 and 7 feet apart. Very disappointing.

It crushes the soundstage and wide dispersion of the 3" dome midrange had the midrange crashing.

Like you, I've found 9 to 10 feet really let's those babies breathing and flexing their muscles. It's absolutely breathtaking.

Not so much at 6 to 7 feet

Did you play around with the toe-in when you had them 6-7 feet apart even to the extent of toeing them out a little bit as opposed to the normal inwards?
post #340 of 1207
Hey Tj and Ice,
I'm wondering why you guys haven't bought the new Opus2-2M bookshelves for rear surround duty. OK, so they're three times the price of EVO 10s , but they're a perfect match for your Opus1-2s!

Just wonderin...
post #341 of 1207
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Originally Posted by Rogue Element View Post

Hey Tj and Ice,
OK, so they're three times the price of EVO 10s

You hit it right on the head. I'm not spending that much money on friggin' bookshelf rear speakers. It's disgraceful the price they're charging for them.


$1,799.98 for the Opus 2 - M1 ?

$2,249.99 for the Opus 2- M2 ?

Pardon my french, but **** that!!! Wharfedale can kiss my *** on that one!

The Evo 10's do just fine. They may not be an absolute perfect match, but I don't recall ever sitting thinking the rears sound off or not well integrated.

They do a fine job of immersing us in the movies we watch. Everything sounds fine to me.

Ice, no I never tried toeing out. Toeing in at 6 and 7 feet only caused more midrange disaster. The Opus 2 need room and space to breathe and to really fully extend. That's my theory.
post #342 of 1207
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post #343 of 1207
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogue Element View Post

Hey Tj and Ice,
I'm wondering why you guys haven't bought the new Opus2-2M bookshelves for rear surround duty. OK, so they're three times the price of EVO 10s , but they're a perfect match for your Opus1-2s!

Just wonderin...

Heh. I'm with Tony on this one...waaaay too much for my wallet. I'm willing to go $379 in pursuit of better sound in my surrounds but not $1800-$2500.
post #344 of 1207
Tony,

I forgot to ask. Did you ever put any polyfill in the Opus cabs?

I doubt you would need to if you have the space to let them breathe. I only did it with the Emeralds because of my limited space and close quarters with walls and other equipment. Also my wife likes to put small decorative things on top of the speakers which can affect the tweeters. The fill helped me in every regard.

Paul
post #345 of 1207
Clarke, no I never did.

I bought a bunch of it and used it for other things

Honestly, I have to admit I was too chicken to try it. I really loved how my Opus 2 sounded and I was afraid I'd screw something up in the process of removing the drivers to fill them with the polyfill. Changing tubes in my gear or changing fuses, I can do. But messing around with that stuff and possibly not using the correct torque to re-install the drivers. Well, I'm a spazz.

I wasn't sure what the polyfill would do to the sound and I decided to leave well-enough alone, lol.

But I did find some good uses for that Polyfill
post #346 of 1207
I thought you guys were way off on the Opus bookshelf prices, but then I looked them up on AYS.

WTF???!!! They jacked the price up a good 75% since the last time I checked! Wow! Yeah, they can pound sand with those prices.
post #347 of 1207
Well I have had months to play with my new toys and now its time I gave an opinion, the butler amp cost me more than I wanted to spend but have found it to be worth every penny and glad I made the choice, one of the first and biggest things I noticed about this wonderful amp is that its so quiet its almost spooky, I first noticed it while playing Norah Jones (not to late) I was so amazed that I put my ears up close to the tweeter at very high volume levels during dead spots (its very impressive on how quiet this amp is) butler builds them the way they look, heavy and industrial tough, even the finish is hard to scratch, the 5150 stays low warm even when cranked up to ungodly levels, the only thing I dont like about this amp is the power indicator light is way to bright and the LED`s for the tubes, they should have a dimmer on them, I put a piece of tape over the power indcator and I put electrical tape over the bottom first two slots on all 5 tube windows and it solves the problem,

I bought the butler and the opus 1`s at the same time so most of my opinion will be on them together, my opus center and DFS speakers I have had for a while, since the DFS speakers are in the rear seporated from the new front speakers they have been a gauge on how the 5150 has effected the system and this amp definitely takes charge and sound musically sweet, I know that some of you think the DFS speakers are not worth your time, as for me I thought I made a big mistake when I bought them, I spent around a month trying every placement possible, stacking the DFS speakers on chairs with books and chicken soup boxes untill I found the correct placement, this is the problem with the DFS speaker if there not properly placed then they wont work well, and dont rely on the instructions for proper placement, my room is a problem as well, its long, narrow and opens up on one side, and yes I live in a double wide, the funny thing is that the DFS speakers are still one of the most amazing things in my system they envelop you with sound from the back, to the sides and tie into the fronts amazingly well, and they match up fine with the opus line, one picture is of the DFS speaker on the open side of the room, I fabricate so it was nothing to make a very special wall bracket for that side,

Now back to the sound factor, Norah Jones, the song (come away with me) the butler and opus combo has brought the vocals, piano and the cymbals (yes cymbals) right into my room, its almost frightening...

Steely Dan (Gaucho) in 5.1 (6 channel Direct) (Babylon sister and my rival) both songs are flawless and you can listen to them many times and still pick out things that you didnt know were there...

Korn (fallow the leader) if I had any doubts that the opus butler combo would have problems playing this type of music then I dont have them any more, I had know idea what a wonderful recording this CD is (as dark as it is) Korn has talent and this CD shows it, the songs that stand out are, freak on a leash, dead bodies everywhere and pretty.

Conclusion: Im not an expert but I do know that what im after is a system that gives the feeling that you are in the studio, at the concert or in the movie, I believe audio impacts more than video in a movie every time, my room dos not have the greatest dimensions but with the awsome designs and quality of wharfedale speakers, and a few goodies like the butler 5150 and the pioneer 79 DVD, and proper speaker placement, I have an amazing system, the butler opus combo dos it all
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post #348 of 1207
I grabbed the small Diamond 9.0's really cheap. Stand alone, fantastic for the price, but I found the slope (very even mind you) down to make them not at all suitable for using as mains with a sub. A little too "British". I was totally amazed at my 1M free space FR measurement how smooth they were. Expected off-axis from a simple crossover. Ruler flat from about 100 to 15K, just decreasing about 10 dB. Effective for fooling your head for overall balance. If they can pull that off for $100, I bet the larger ones are also very good bargains.
post #349 of 1207
I've been using diamond 7.2's as a 5.1 setup for 6 years now. Still love the sound of them. Running together they will crank 105-110db at my listening position with dvd-a and sacd. Does'nt sound as loud as you would think, they will still play clean. You can't realize how loud it is until you can't even hear youself yelling when they are this loud. Never felt the need to upgrade them.

Heres a recent review of the diamond 8.1:

http://www.hometheaterreview.com/equ...ewed002201.php
post #350 of 1207
Nice article.

My 8.1s have just found a new home, along with the Rubiance's that drove the front.

I now have EVO (1) throughtout.

Seggers
post #351 of 1207
Nicely done, Ange!!!

Thank you for the time and effort in writing up your review! Well done!

These Butler amps sure have a way with both music and HT. Don't they?

Very under-rated amps, without a doubt.

And it's great seeing the pics! Kind of fills out the gaps of visualization. When you described your room on the phone, I had a decent visualization.

But the pics really help in a big way. Even in my mind, I didn't realize exactly how thight it is in there.....till I saw the pics.

Nice setup!!!



Quote:
Originally Posted by HURON ANGEL View Post

Well I have had months to play with my new toys and now its time I gave an opinion, the butler amp cost me more than I wanted to spend but have found it to be worth every penny and glad I made the choice, one of the first and biggest things I noticed about this wonderful amp is that its so quiet its almost spooky, I first noticed it while playing Norah Jones (not to late) I was so amazed that I put my ears up close to the tweeter at very high volume levels during dead spots (its very impressive on how quiet this amp is) butler builds them the way they look, heavy and industrial tough, even the finish is hard to scratch, the 5150 stays low warm even when cranked up to ungodly levels, the only thing I dont like about this amp is the power indicator light is way to bright and the LED`s for the tubes, they should have a dimmer on them, I put a piece of tape over the power indcator and I put electrical tape over the bottom first two slots on all 5 tube windows and it solves the problem,

I bought the butler and the opus 1`s at the same time so most of my opinion will be on them together, my opus center and DFS speakers I have had for a while, since the DFS speakers are in the rear seporated from the new front speakers they have been a gauge on how the 5150 has effected the system and this amp definitely takes charge and sound musically sweet, I know that some of you think the DFS speakers are not worth your time, as for me I thought I made a big mistake when I bought them, I spent around a month trying every placement possible, stacking the DFS speakers on chairs with books and chicken soup boxes untill I found the correct placement, this is the problem with the DFS speaker if there not properly placed then they wont work well, and dont rely on the instructions for proper placement, my room is a problem as well, its long, narrow and opens up on one side, and yes I live in a double wide, the funny thing is that the DFS speakers are still one of the most amazing things in my system they envelop you with sound from the back, to the sides and tie into the fronts amazingly well, and they match up fine with the opus line, one picture is of the DFS speaker on the open side of the room, I fabricate so it was nothing to make a very special wall bracket for that side,

Now back to the sound factor, Norah Jones, the song (come away with me) the butler and opus combo has brought the vocals, piano and the cymbals (yes cymbals) right into my room, its almost frightening...

Steely Dan (Gaucho) in 5.1 (6 channel Direct) (Babylon sister and my rival) both songs are flawless and you can listen to them many times and still pick out things that you didnt know were there...

Korn (fallow the leader) if I had any doubts that the opus butler combo would have problems playing this type of music then I dont have them any more, I had know idea what a wonderful recording this CD is (as dark as it is) Korn has talent and this CD shows it, the songs that stand out are, freak on a leash, dead bodies everywhere and pretty.

Conclusion: Im not an expert but I do know that what im after is a system that gives the feeling that you are in the studio, at the concert or in the movie, I believe audio impacts more than video in a movie every time, my room dos not have the greatest dimensions but with the awsome designs and quality of wharfedale speakers, and a few goodies like the butler 5150 and the pioneer 79 DVD, and proper speaker placement, I have an amazing system, the butler opus combo dos it all
post #352 of 1207
thanks tony I was wondering what it was going to take to get a response, I would like to thank you for your suggestions on looking at the butler amp and the pioneer dvd player, I made the right choices with your help, and thanks for the help in solving the right front speaker issue I thaught it was very funny that moving my futon one and half feet forward solved the problem, two heads are better than one, the basic rule that you said that the distance between the front speakers should eqaul the distance of the seating position, I wondered why I never heard that one so I researched it and I only found it in two channel audio file setups, I gess it proves that in home theater speaker placement is not allways in the drivers seat, plus your usually setting up for more than one seating,, my seating distance is not equal but it did get it close enough to clear up the issues good enough,

And a thanks gos out to terry from at your service for the great prices on the opus 1`s, and a thanks to allen at owens carpets on line, I will never buy carpet from anyone else, they saved me so much money, the silver screen rug he made for me the way I wanted it and for a fraction of the price from anyone else
post #353 of 1207
You're Welcome, Angel. My pleaseure.

It's always fun talking to you!

Talk to you soon.
post #354 of 1207
Quote:
Originally Posted by HURON ANGEL View Post

thanks tony I was wondering what it was going to take to get a response, I would like to thank you for your suggestions on looking at the butler amp and the pioneer dvd player, I made the right choices with your help, and thanks for the help in solving the right front speaker issue I thaught it was very funny that moving my futon one and half feet forward solved the problem, two heads are better than one, the basic rule that you said that the distance between the front speakers should eqaul the distance of the seating position, I wondered why I never heard that one so I researched it and I only found it in two channel audio file setups, I gess it proves that in home theater speaker placement is not allways in the drivers seat, plus your usually setting up for more than one seating,, my seating distance is not equal but it did get it close enough to clear up the issues good enough,

And a thanks gos out to terry from at your service for the great prices on the opus 1`s, and a thanks to allen at owens carpets on line, I will never buy carpet from anyone else, they saved me so much money, the silver screen rug he made for me the way I wanted it and for a fraction of the price from anyone else

Wow, difficult room. Glad you are able to get some good sound out of it.
I have the opposite problem, I have a very large room and my speakers and seating areas are very wide apart. But I was able to obtain very good sound as well.
post #355 of 1207
It's been a while since I talked about my little Wharfedale issue.

Before I go on, I'd like to make it clear that I have no issue with WWE, their staff (Theresa deserves a medal for dealing with me) or the way that they have handled this.

Unfortunately, the same can't be said for the speakers. To back up a little, I bought an EVO40, CR, 10 package from WWE, just before goods were moved from the West Coast to the East.

6 of the 7 speakers had no, or minor, issues. The 7'th showed signs of cosmetic based physical damamge, a broken off grill cover and exposed drivers. A new 40 was promised, along with repalcement grills.

New 40 arrived, but that had worse phyiscal damage. Plus some of the veneer was lifting/flaking. First speaker went back, Wharfedals's stock was on its way east and so I set up the 7th.

Well tonight I had 2 boxes waiting for me. One contained my grills, the other was the 40.

The 40 had been re-enforced, with extra padding around the speaker. Unfortunately, the grill was missing (not a problem, I was going to keep the other one).

Yay for me, finally some closure. But not so fast my boy.....

So I hook it up to the the AVR and run a test tone through it. I don't know why, maybe it was the 3rd time's a charm hope, but I decided to ensure that both drivers were working (they had been exposed after all). 2nd one didn't move. I move the tone to the other 40 (the one that arrived perfect, went into the corner and has been ignored since) and its 2nd driver moved. So back goes the older one and it's 2nd dreiver moves too.

Hang on, thinks I, this is a test tone, let's stop being so paranoid and use some real sound. So I put on the opening credits of the last BSG episode and there goes movement on the 2nd driver. Swap it back out for the newly arrive speaker, restart the show, back up and wait for it, wait for it,

Nothing, narda, zip. No movement from the driver. Back on the phone I goes and have a little chat with Theresa.

The new one is upstairs, the one it was supposed to have replaced is back in the mix and there's one last 40 left in Rosewood. Or, if there's a Wharfedale approved tech somewhere in the WNY area, then they may come out and swap out the bits.

I would definitely buy from WWE again, but I'd be a tad hesitant about it being a Wharfedale product after this little episode.

My old RB21s, CR and Diamond 8.1's all found a new home as a job lot.

One good thing that may well come out of this is that Wharfedale may have a few pallets of EVO 1 type subs and - assuming that they decide to oust them like they did with the EVOs - those of us that bought from WWE may get a crack at one.

I'd love to get hold of a matching 12" sub. It would complete the set.

Well, thanks for reading my continuing tale of woe if you got this far....

Seggers
post #356 of 1207
thanks Dakar80124, yes it has been a difficult room but I think it has taught me a lot and has made me more aware of what it takes to get good sound,

hey tony I got (blade runner the final cut version) it has digital dolby and wow what a movie it is, I was laughing at the sound effects flying threw my room, this version is as good as it gets and my system let it happen,

seggers, sorry that your having so much problems, very unlucky but once its resovled im sure you will be happy
post #357 of 1207
Every single one of the nubs on one my my Opus 3 grills broke off. Any suggestions for a solution? Some of the nubs are stuck in the holes, not sure if I can dig them out with a pin or not. The only thing I can think of is substitute velcro. I hate to blemish the speakers like that, but I can't imagine gluing anything to the grill would work.
post #358 of 1207
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Originally Posted by Fastnbulbous View Post

Every single one of the nubs on one my my Opus 3 grills broke off. Any suggestions for a solution? Some of the nubs are stuck in the holes, not sure if I can dig them out with a pin or not. The only thing I can think of is substitute velcro. I hate to blemish the speakers like that, but I can't imagine gluing anything to the grill would work.

On getting them out, see below for a couple of suggestions given to me by WWE when my EVOs were delivered with broken nubs.

As for the grill itself, and considering the cost of the speakers, I'd contact Wharfedale and buy new ones. Again, WWE seems to have a hotline into WD at the moment, so they might be a place to start.

Seggers

"I was just talking with Wharfedale on the posts that are on in the speakers. The use a eye glasses flat head screw driver to take there's out when it happens. I never even thought about that and it might work better than the pick I used. I spoke with my husband and the pick we used isn't even a pick it is a nail set. I guess construction guys tap on the top to push the nail further in so the can cover it with spackle and sand down. When I was talking with Wharfedale they said the eye glass screw driver works great. I also had another employee here tell me that he uses a large thumb tack. I guess there is an ridculosly large thumb tack at Office Depot. He just pushes in similar to the way we used the nail set and just popped its right out. I really have had to deal with this issue much but I guess it is common. Hopefully this helps -
"
post #359 of 1207
Please which is better ?

I can get either or - a pair of Diamond 9.6 or a pair of first generation EVO 30's

Price is neglible - I'm just curious which would be better for stereo playback of music? Soundstage is very important to me as well.
post #360 of 1207
Seggers, the drivers on my Evo 30 and Opus 2 are never visually moving, unless I crank the hell out of the volume (which I hardly ever do). Those drivers simply are not visually moving under normal, moderate or even slightly high volumes or dynamics.

You can tell if the driver's working by the sound coming out or if your ears aren't capable of detecting them........gently and softly place your finger tip near or on the driver diaphragm (make sure your hands are well washed, dried and free of any oils, grime or dirt). You'll feel the music/vibrations coming through the drivers.

You may want to check that before going through yet another exchange.
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