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post #1 of 1944
4/13/02 at 7:17am
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I received an e-mail from Bob Williams, chief engineer at WATE-TV. They already have a high powered transmitter on site at their new antenna and plan to begin full powered transmissions in June or July. The new digital station will be WATE-DT 26. There was no word on whether they plan to pass through HDTV.

In a similar vein I received an e-mail from Mr. Lee, the general manager at WBIR-TV. They plan to be on the air and to start passing through some programming in May on WBIR-DT 31 from that new tower that can be seen going up on Sharp's Ridge. I assume that means they will be passing through HDTV. NBC has Jay Leno and a few other programs occasionally broadcast in HDTV, but there is a rumor that they are going to soon be broadcasting lots of HDTV.

It's time to start putting up antennas. I live in an old house which is going on 100 years old soon. I've no choice but to put an antenna in the attic in this old house which is in a very difficult multipath area. Running cables is a major hassle so I'm starting now. Updated 12-22-05
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post #2 of 1944
4/14/02 at 9:29am
What are the locations of the Knoxville Towers? Im in Crossville some 65 miles away. Im hoping the towers will be West of Knoxville!
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post #3 of 1944
4/14/02 at 10:03am
That's good news Larry. Unfortunately, even with an external,amplified,motorized antenna I can't get clear reception of the old analogue signals. What really pissed me off was how several of the stations would not give me a waiver for DirectTV local service because I am "supposed" to get their signals.

I'm toying with re-connecting my BUD for HDTV. If you can get OTA HDTV that will be great.

Dave
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post #4 of 1944
4/14/02 at 12:02pm
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Eddiew
The Knoxville towers are all located on high ground atop Sharp's Ridge in Knoxville and they are very tall. The top of the towers are probably 2500 to 3000 feet above sea level. You should have no trouble picking them up from Crossville.
Larry
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post #5 of 1944
4/15/02 at 8:52pm
Larry, Thanks for the INFO. I cant wait. I using EVU right now for my Network HD.
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post #6 of 1944
4/17/02 at 3:44pm
I have been waiting for HDTV in Knoxvile for awhile now. I live off of Cedar Bluff exit. Let us know when anyone starts getting an HD signal (if ever) and post it here with the channels...

Post em when you see em....

Thanks
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post #7 of 1944
9/30/05 at 12:12pm
I'm having a hard time getting WVLT OTA - anyone else with this problem. While all the other channels are fine- I have to grab the antenna and stand on my head to get it to come in-

Another question- I have regualr comcast cable- could I add a HDTV service through them without having to get digital? In other words- for a few dollars more could I just pick up all the HDTV programs?
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post #8 of 1944
9/30/05 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by GraceAdler View Post

I'm having a hard time getting WVLT OTA - anyone else with this problem. While all the other channels are fine- I have to grab the antenna and stand on my head to get it to come in-

Another question- I have regualr comcast cable- could I add a HDTV service through them without having to get digital? In other words- for a few dollars more could I just pick up all the HDTV programs?

I imagine that is possible if your TV suppourts Cable-Card? You can try asking them, Crumcast, but they proably don't know either.
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post #9 of 1944
9/30/05 at 1:13pm
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I have regualr comcast cable- could I add a HDTV service through them without having to get digital? In other words- for a few dollars more could I just pick up all the HDTV programs?

I don't know the answer but wonder this myself. If you find out, can you post the info here please?

Thanks!
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post #10 of 1944
9/30/05 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by Rachael Bellomy View Post

I imagine that is possible if your TV supports Cable-Card? You can try asking them, Crumcast, but they proably don't know either.


It's not a TV but an Infocus 4805- Does anyone here know?
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post #11 of 1944
10/1/05 at 8:37am
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It's not a TV but an Infocus 4805- Does anyone here know?

Don't know about Comcast but for Knology the answer was that you must get digital cable and use their box (or presumably a cable card). They encrypt the HDTV signals so you can't just plug your regular cable into your receiver.

For me this would've increased my bill by $25 per month. Since I can get great OTA from here I opted to go that way instead. I use a VOOM receiver to feed the OTA to my 4805 and it looks terrific. The only HD channels I am missing that Knology carries are ESPN HD and Discovery Theater HD.
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post #12 of 1944
10/3/05 at 8:32pm
I just joined the HDTV game... FusionHDTV on an HTPC. Anyway, isn't Monday Night Football supposed to be 16:9?

The tuner says it is 720p, but it sure doesn't look as good as I expected it would.

Gerald
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post #13 of 1944
10/3/05 at 10:08pm
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I just joined the HDTV game... FusionHDTV on an HTPC. Anyway, isn't Monday Night Football supposed to be 16:9?

The tuner says it is 720p, but it sure doesn't look as good as I expected it would.

Gerald

Hey ya'all, I fliped over to the game near the end and it was 4/3. Did they start out in 16/9 2-nite and flip out to local skinny mode too early? ...or worse, just show all or most in SD? Gerald, when they're doing things right...their 720p has looked good to me. I didn't get none this night...
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post #14 of 1944
10/4/05 at 10:04am
I just got the fusion card last night, and it was a long time before I ever even got WATE 6.2 tuned in. For the longest time all I could get was their silly 24x7 weather station. Now talk about annoyed! All I wanted was some foo-baw!

I was glad to finally see it , but somewhat disappointed it was not HD.

How often does this kind of thing happen?

Denise Richards sure looked good on Leno.
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post #15 of 1944
10/4/05 at 11:53am
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How often does this kind of thing happen?

As has been mentioned in this thread, not every program is HD yet... especially sports.

With that said, WATE and WVLT are notorious for not giving HD material on the digital signal the full importance that we wish they would.

The good news is it's getting better and will continue to improve with newer equipment and training, but it might take a year or five.
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post #16 of 1944
10/4/05 at 7:11pm
Understood. I noticed something tonight when I was messing around some more. On WATE, the show with Belushi came on and was in HD, but with no sound. After a few moments, I noticed the sound come on, but when I looked up the picture had gone to SD.

Now I am suffering through trying to watch baseball on Fox. It is very stuttery and keeps telling me "No Sigal" on the Fusion cards OSD.

Less than thrilled so far.

Gerald
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post #17 of 1944
10/6/05 at 6:05am
If you are talking about the Yankees/Angels game then I received it perfectly. I watched the first 3 innings in perfect 720p without any dropouts.
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post #18 of 1944
10/7/05 at 4:52am
Has something happened to the digital signals from WTNZ in Knoxville? Starting last night, my signal strength has only been around 20% on 43-1 and 43-2.
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post #19 of 1944
10/7/05 at 6:36am
Please call them every time the signal is messed up.It is the only way we can have any effect.They WILL act like it's not their fault,but usually flip the switch in a couple of minutes.

WATE ABC CH6- 637-6666
WBIR NBC CH10- 637-1010
WVLT CBS CH8- 450-8888 (Doug Stallard)
WTNZ FOX CH43- 693-4343
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post #20 of 1944
10/7/05 at 10:00am
Does anyone know if WVLT ever did any of their promised testing for their signal problems? Their signal is very poor in the Hamblen/Greene County area. All other Knoxville stations are great in this area. LCOSBY said that WVLT was sharing a common antenna with WKOP 15/17 and was probably tuned more to WKOP. If WVLT had an antenna the was tuned for Ch. 30, the problem would probably be solved. WVLT does not seem to be interested in these problems.
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post #21 of 1944
10/7/05 at 7:20pm
I have an inside antenna and most all the channels are coming in BUT every few minutes theres static and sometimes the signal goes out completely. Also, for some channels, I have to face the antenna South East and for others more south-southwest. This seems odd as I thought I was supposed to aim it southwest for everything - WVLT doesn't show up at all if I point it Southwest.
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post #22 of 1944
10/8/05 at 7:18am
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Anybody know if the WBXX-20 is broadcasting any HD OTA and if so on what UHF channel the digital signal is on? I have a directional antenna in my attic pointed toward the towers on Sharp's Ridge, and I receive a very strong signal from PBS, ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC, and WMAX on 7-1 on my Directv HD Tivo, but nothing from WBXX.
Larry
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post #23 of 1944
10/8/05 at 7:34am
GraceAdler.......are you in Knoxville?If you are trying to get Knoxville's OTA stations,they are all in one direction.That being said,a very small antenna movement can be vital.Have you checked signal strength?
My experience is that HDTV reception is,at best,quirky and requires experimentation(antenna movement,larger UHF antenna,etc).In general,higher is better and outdoors is better.I have a BIG antenna in the attic.It's trial and error.A compass and directional chart will help locate the broadcast antennas.You should be able to get good reception in most areas in Knoxville.
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post #24 of 1944
10/8/05 at 8:14am
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Anybody know if the WBXX-20 is broadcasting any HD OTA

Larry...

I hear your pain. WBXX's transmitter is way over in Crossville, I think I get between 5-10% here in Fountain City.

That one channel is the only reason I still have "local channels" on my DirecTV lineup.
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post #25 of 1944
10/8/05 at 11:40am
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Anybody know if the WBXX-20 is broadcasting any HD OTA and if so on what UHF channel the digital signal is on? I have a directional antenna in my attic pointed toward the towers on Sharp's Ridge, and I receive a very strong signal from PBS, ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC, and WMAX on 7-1 on my Directv HD Tivo, but nothing from WBXX.
Larry

WBXX is on channel 50 but they aren't doing any HD yet. I don't think they even have a target date for it. The transmitter is near Oak Ridge.

Go to http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp and put in your lat/lon coordinates for bearing to all the local towers.

Get your lat/lon at http://terraserver.microsoft.com/

Magnetic declination is around -4
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post #26 of 1944
10/9/05 at 8:23am
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Thanks for all the info-
I live in North Knoxville.
Seems like Directv is most recommended- after seeing my sister's directv, I was leaning towards Comcast. Could I buy an OTA antenna to go with comcast or is that just if you already have a satelite dish?

I live in 37918 zip and have not been able to get OTA with a tree line and ridge right behind my house. And was denied all waivers applied for by the local stations. I would like them to come to my house and explain to me how I could get channels OTA without putting up a 40 ft tower to mount them on. It's a racket I think and you should make sure you have some kind of agreement if possible that if you can't get OTA you could return all equpiment and have no repercussions.
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post #27 of 1944
10/9/05 at 8:27am
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NO!!! NO!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Sorry for the outburst, but I was with Comcast through the 90s and hated them. When I switched to DirecTV, things became so much better - fair prices, clear phone support, encouraging promotions and nada technical glitches.

Now I want high speed internet and the phone lines in this house suck... I stuck with Bellsouth DSL for years but I would get dropped/reconnected about every 10 minutes. This sucks when playing Battlefield 2!

So I want to deal with Comcast as little as possible, but my initial impressions have been, as Rachael points out, terrible. Suprise hidden charges, unfulfilled promotions, poor phone support... I don't know how customers put up with this company!

I guess I'm stuck with them. In their defense, the high speed internet works like a charm. But I hope to deal with them as little as possible.

I have had some issues with the big C* but when I have bad phone support, I just hang up and call back, I usually get a more knowledgable person to help me. I am hooking up my Comcast HD receiver from them today to get locals on HD which I have never been able to get from the big D* and OTA. It looks to be and HD DVR but we shall see.
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post #28 of 1944
10/9/05 at 9:22am
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I have had some issues with the big C* but when I have bad phone support, I just hang up and call back, I usually get a more knowledgable person to help me. I am hooking up my Comcast HD receiver from them today to get locals on HD which I have never been able to get from the big D* and OTA. It looks to be and HD DVR but we shall see.

D* will likely provide HD locals in our market by '08. At least you have the option of getting them through Comcast. I have no other option here. Isn't there another cable provider in Knoxville as well?

It must be frustrating to not be able to get OTA. What have you tried so far? Sorry if you've posted this already.
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post #29 of 1944
10/9/05 at 2:50pm
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Has something happened to the digital signals from WTNZ in Knoxville? Starting last night, my signal strength has only been around 20% on 43-1 and 43-2.

Im having the same problem here in Maryville, the signal is very low now. Anybody else having problems? I dont want to have to get back on the roof if it is a WTNZ problem.
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post #30 of 1944
10/9/05 at 3:44pm
I am in Maryville and not only do I get 43-1 and 43-2 I also get 39-1 and 39-2 WEMT! I am using a radio shack indoor set top amplified antenna.

I do have a Zenith Silver which is getting 40-50 percent on 43-1, but I like the other antenna because I can get Fox WEMT and Judge Judy comes on at 5:00.

Link to antenna http://www.radioshack.com/product.as...t%5Fid=15-1880
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