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post #3721 of 3804
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Originally Posted by frank70 View Post

UHF wavelengths are so short (half-wavelength across the entire UHF band only varies from about 6 inches to a foot) that an antenna tuned precisely to a single channel is pretty much going to pick up the whole band anyway. . . If you're dead set on it and really want to tune a little dipole for that channel, make it 9.564 inches across.

Thanks much for the good info, Frank. I appreciate it. I'm trying to improve my ch 9 (WWOR) reception out of NYC when I want to watch a Yankee game. I get all the other NYC channels at an acceptable level but I just barely get 9 (and sometimes it's iffy) and don't get ch 5 at all. They are both "Fox" stations and on the same antenna at the Empire State Building. All the other stations also have their antennas same place, so I really don't understand why I have so much trouble with 9 and no reception of 5 at all.
post #3722 of 3804
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Originally Posted by T-Max View Post

Thanks much for the good info, Frank. I appreciate it. I'm trying to improve my ch 9 (WWOR) reception out of NYC when I want to watch a Yankee game. I get all the other NYC channels at an acceptable level but I just barely get 9 (and sometimes it's iffy) and don't get ch 5 at all. They are both "Fox" stations and on the same antenna at the Empire State Building. All the other stations also have their antennas same place, so I really don't understand why I have so much trouble with 9 and no reception of 5 at all.

They're not coming off the same antenna, 5 is on its own antenna, which is directional away from New Jersey.

WNYW is also co-channel with WMCN in Atlantic City (transmits from closer to Hammonton) which can cause significant interference to NJ viewers. WWOR is co-channel with an LPTV station from that same tower site which could also cause issues.

- Trip
post #3723 of 3804
WWJT-7 (RF 48) has returned to the air. ID slide on 7.1 and color bars 7.2,.3&.4
post #3724 of 3804
WPHA DT has returned to the air, now on RF 24. All four sub-channels (24.1-24.4) are infomercials as before..
post #3725 of 3804
Could anyone provided some guidance as to which of these two antenna will give a better reception as an outdoor antennae. An objective evaluation will be most appreciated.
thanks


1.Solid Signal Xtreme Signal HDB2X High Definition Blade 2 Bay Xtreme VHF/UHF Antenna (HDB2X)

or


2. Antennas Direct DB2 UHF HDTV Antenna (DB2
post #3726 of 3804
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Originally Posted by yoiyoi View Post

Could anyone provided some guidance as to which of these two antenna will give a better reception as an outdoor antennae. An objective evaluation will be most appreciated.
thanks
If you want to receive WPVI, channel 6.x, and you're more than a half-dozen miles from Roxborough, neither one of those is going to do the job (at least not without an additional VHF-LO antenna tuned to RF channel 6). Here's a simple test - hold out your arms left and right horizontally; if the antenna isn't that big, you won't be likely to receive channel 6. If you don't care about that channel, you should be good if you're not too far away. I'm in Lower Bucks County and need a DB-8 (in my attic) to reliably get all the other channels. I'd be better off if I put an antenna outdoors on the roof, but don't like the thought of maintenance.

N.B.: I have the DB-8 for UHF and VHF-HI, and a separate folded dipole just for channel 6.
post #3727 of 3804
thanks frank, i already have an antenna that gets me wpvi- ch6 and occasionally wcau, kyw and others but will need to replace my uhf antennae.
I had the db-2 but thought i could replace it one that pulled in stronger signals which is why i'm considering
Solid Signal Xtreme Signal HDB2X High Definition Blade 2 Bay Xtreme VHF/UHF Antenna (HDB2X) as it's supposed to be an upgrade on db-2 and seems to have vhf-signal as well.
So i was wondering if anyone could recommend it as a better option to db-2?
thanks for suggestions
post #3728 of 3804
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Originally Posted by yoiyoi View Post

thanks frank, i already have an antenna that gets me wpvi- ch6 and occasionally wcau, kyw and others but will need to replace my uhf antennae.
I had the db-2 but thought i could replace it one that pulled in stronger signals which is why i'm considering
Solid Signal Xtreme Signal HDB2X High Definition Blade 2 Bay Xtreme VHF/UHF Antenna (HDB2X) as it's supposed to be an upgrade on db-2 and seems to have vhf-signal as well.
So i was wondering if anyone could recommend it as a better option to db-2?
thanks for suggestions
All of those antennas are 2-bay designs with similar performance. A step up would be a 4-bay or 8-bay. Supposedly the Channel Master 4228HD has some HiVHF capability, and there is also a DB8e. But the generic versions from Solid Signal and MCM are lower priced.
post #3729 of 3804
I guess there was serious tropo last evening? I completely lost a lot of my Philly stations like 17, 23, 29, 12 and even 39 in Allentown. The signal for ch 17 was nil for awhile. This morning it's max'd out @ 100%. Ch 29 was lost for quite awhile with signal strength of ~60% and today it's back to 98%. Channel 23 was also nil last night and now it's over 90%.

I checked the tropo site and it didn't reflect any serious tropo going on, which I found to be puzzling.

I hope it doesn't happen again this evening because I don't want to lose reception of ch 29 for the baseball game.
post #3730 of 3804
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Originally Posted by T-Max View Post

I guess there was serious tropo last evening? I completely lost a lot of my Philly stations like 17, 23, 29, 12 and even 39 in Allentown. The signal for ch 17 was nil for awhile. This morning it's max'd out @ 100%. Ch 29 was lost for quite awhile with signal strength of ~60% and today it's back to 98%. Channel 23 was also nil last night and now it's over 90%.

I checked the tropo site and it didn't reflect any serious tropo going on, which I found to be puzzling.

I hope it doesn't happen again this evening because I don't want to lose reception of ch 29 for the baseball game.

Last night strong tropo from NYC, Long Island and CT into Chester Co. PA. By this morning path had shifted to south bringing in DC and MD.
post #3731 of 3804
Greetings from chilly Haddonfield,

Well CBS 3-1 is still on the blink. I upgraded to a TiVo Roamio hoping that the tuner might improves things and it did but only a little. Sunday Morning and Survivor are still dropping out. I got up on the roof Sunday morning and did a little fine tuning of my Antennacraft 5884, but I still can't get 3-1 over 55 on the Roamio's signal strength meter. I would also love to pick up the local south jersey PBS affiliate which for me is 180 degrees from the Philadelphia antenna farm.

What should I try next?

Cheers, Michael
post #3732 of 3804
Looks like WMGM will have a new owner. The paperwork states that Access.1 is selling WMGM to LocusPoint Networks for $6M.

I believe LocusPoint is one of those "Spectrum Speculators" who have been buying stations, in anticipation of those incentive spectrum auctions, next year?
post #3733 of 3804
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Originally Posted by Cherylandmike View Post

Greetings from chilly Haddonfield,

Well CBS 3-1 is still on the blink. I upgraded to a TiVo Roamio hoping that the tuner might improves things and it did but only a little. Sunday Morning and Survivor are still dropping out. I got up on the roof Sunday morning and did a little fine tuning of my Antennacraft 5884, but I still can't get 3-1 over 55 on the Roamio's signal strength meter. I would also love to pick up the local south jersey PBS affiliate which for me is 180 degrees from the Philadelphia antenna farm.

What should I try next?

Cheers, Michael
Having just read this post I turned on my Sammy LED and changed the input to my OTA antennas, I don't use them anymore for anything but a back up to FIOS, with Dish I ran them into the DVR and used the OTA Tuner all of the time. I have a Channel Master 4228 8 bay bowtie and a VHF antenna in my attic aimed at Roxborough and Channel 3.1 has been solid, no drop outs. I installed these at least 6 years or more ago, the 2 antennas combine to a single coax and run from my attic down to my basement and up to the set in the Family Room. Amazing picture, but I get it on FIOS too. Not sure what antenna you are using, but I got mine at Solid Signal and went a little big since I wanted them in the attic. Sad part is when I got this antenna it was around $40, now $110. Wow. http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?mc=03&p=4228-HD&d=Channel-Master-4228HD-8bay-HDTV-High-VHFUHF-TV-Antenna-%284228HD%29&c=TV%20Antennas&sku=
post #3734 of 3804
MCM has a Stellar Labs 8-bay similar to the Channel Master for $49, and Solid Signal has a version for $59. Should probably perform about the same.
post #3735 of 3804
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Originally Posted by Cherylandmike View Post

. . . . .did a little fine tuning of my Antennacraft 5884. . . . .

What should I try next?l
Did you try raising/ lowering the antenna 6-12 inches? Sounds like the antenna is in a null area for 3.1.
post #3736 of 3804
KJWP 2.1 RF 2 now testing with color bars
post #3737 of 3804
I recently ditched cable in favor of OTA signal. Loving the picture quality, except for Fox 29.1.

I live ~8.5 miles from the Roxy towers and receive 45 HD channels. Here is the dilemma: all channels come in fine with the exception of the ONE channel I need -> Fox 29 Philadelphia (for Eagles games, of course!). That one channel experiences occasional pixelation, image freezes, and audio dropout. I called Fox 29 and sent an email, but no response from them (rather disappointing, I must say).

I use a Winegard Freevision installed in the attic. Prior to installing a signal booster, I received about 40 stations and did not receive Fox 29 at all. So I'm gussing it's signal related. I've seen several mentions of low towers, poor tower signal strength, etc., but don't know what to believe since this is a major station in Philly.

Has anyone experienced this with Fox29.1, or had success getting a 100% picture? Move the antenna around higher/lower, ect? Any suggestions?
post #3738 of 3804
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Originally Posted by djames210 View Post

I recently ditched cable in favor of OTA signal. Loving the picture quality, except for Fox 29.1.

I live ~8.5 miles from the Roxy towers and receive 45 HD channels. Here is the dilemma: all channels come in fine with the exception of the ONE channel I need -> Fox 29 Philadelphia (for Eagles games, of course!). That one channel experiences occasional pixelation, image freezes, and audio dropout. I called Fox 29 and sent an email, but no response from them (rather disappointing, I must say).

I use a Winegard Freevision installed in the attic. Prior to installing a signal booster, I received about 40 stations and did not receive Fox 29 at all. So I'm gussing it's signal related. I've seen several mentions of low towers, poor tower signal strength, etc., but don't know what to believe since this is a major station in Philly.

Has anyone experienced this with Fox29.1, or had success getting a 100% picture? Move the antenna around higher/lower, ect? Any suggestions?
I don't have anything to offer, I just switched over to OTA to check it out for you and I have no issue at all with 29.1. I have the antenna in my attic of a 2 story house, 14.3 miles aimed at the towers in Roxborough. No booster.
post #3739 of 3804
Super Dave, thanks for checking. I moved the antenna from the attic floor and mounted it a few feet higher. Problem solved. I'm happy to report that the issue did not reoccur during this weeks game. Yeahhh!!
post #3740 of 3804
Glad things worked out for you!
post #3741 of 3804
So what's up with WWJT 7.1 these days? For a week or more, the test pattern (which had been up for a year or two) has been replaced by looping music video (sans the music) in a shrunken screen with only hum for audio. Pretty much the same bad videos over and over. Their website, http://channel7philly.com still says they are actually transmitting a variety of programming. You gotta wonder!
post #3742 of 3804
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Originally Posted by ohio41 View Post

KJWP 2.1 RF 2 now testing with color bars
They are now on the air with Me TV - content is reruns of old shows like Leave it to Beaver and Perry Mason.
post #3743 of 3804

Hey all, first post, hope you can steer me right...

 

We recently ditched comcast.  It was nearing $150 for crap internet voice, crappier basic tv w/o HD and pretty decent internet connection.  We called a few times and requested a price break similar to the ones they offer BRAND NEW customers - after all, we have been loyal customers since 1987.  However, they did not care to negotiate beyond an insulting offer, so they are gone.  Instead for $60 (never to increase!) DSL + Landline and it is working really well so far...getting 12Mbps down for netflix.   I would like to supplement the $80 monthly savings with a decent antennae setup for TV.

 

I rigged up a little old indoor antennae - about a 6" round wire circle w/o rabbit ears - and put it up on top of a bookcase.  We get 2 channels pretty clear - 60 and 69 out of Allentown.  I was hoping for the networks from Philadelphia,  30 miles away.

 

A few problems I foresee in that though - a 20 foot arbor vitae treeline right next to the house, and the neighbors house on the other side of that, both in the direction of Philadelphia.  Also, foil backed insulation in the attic and the hilltop a quarter mile up the road (tv fool accounts for that I guess).  This house is a single level rancher.

 

I would like to get the 4 networks + whatever else I can but I understand WPVI (and therefore, Cecily :no) may be particularly difficult to get since it is VHF Low?

 

Here is the tvfool report:

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d46ae891a19bbc6

 

 

 

I figure my best bet would be an antennae on the roof, but I'd like to make sure what kind of setup I should try first.  I'd love to just do the attic but I'm not hopeful really for anything.

 

Thanks for any help.

post #3744 of 3804
I just sent an email to WPPX ch 61 about the signal on their main channel. I have lack of voice/sync along with "robot movements" on my VOOM receiver, and a green interference line across the bottom of my screen on the Samsung receiver.

The subchannels appear to be fine.

I'm not actually watching it -- watching the NFL playoff game instead -- but I thought I'd check in on Leverage, which they are currently running back-to-back-to-back.

Anyone else seeing a problem with ION?


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RS Model VU-190 XR antenna
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post #3745 of 3804
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Originally Posted by T-Max View Post

Anyone else seeing a problem with ION?
The audio is in sync but the picture has judder during Leverage here. The commercials are playing just fine.
post #3746 of 3804
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Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post

The audio is in sync but the picture has judder during Leverage here. The commercials are playing just fine.
My commercials are the same (at least on the VOOM box). There's definitely something different in their signal today. Hopefully they will get it addressed tomorrow if not sooner.
post #3747 of 3804
Ditto in ION. Constant pts errors since 9:44am 1/5 and continuing...

Edit: Fixed @ 1:28pm on 1/7. Thanks to whomever got through.
Edited by NoReDist - 1/7/14 at 10:55am
post #3748 of 3804
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Originally Posted by NoReDist View Post

Ditto in ION. Constant pts errors since 9:44am 1/5 and continuing...

Edit: Fixed @ 1:28pm on 1/7. Thanks to whomever got through.

Yea, I saw that last night (first time I'd checked since 1:28pm on 1/7). I'll take credit for "getting thru" although I never got a reply to my email and I suspect they may have gotten a few phone calls -- or more than a few phone calls.

Then again, I dunno if the problem was limited to OTA folks and if so, how many of them would have called.

At least they fixed it. smile.gif
post #3749 of 3804
There have been changes to WWJT and WWSI.

WWJT is on the air with content on 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 7.4. Apparently the signal is very weak. I have one tuner / antenna combination that can lock on it with frequent dropouts but most of my equipment can't even see it's there. I'm wondering if they are at full power because it should come in better than what I'm seeing. Content is:
7.1 TV Scout - just a snapshot of TV listings
7.2 Mundo Fox
7.3 color bars (test pattern)
7.4 ? music videos

WWSI is on the air with two Spanish channels 62.1 and 62.2 on RF 49. This comes in strongly here. They've long had an application to move their broadcasting antenna to Waterford Works and it looks like they've finally done it. Other stations broadcasting from the same location are WNJS, WMCN and WACP.
Edited by otaguy - 1/15/14 at 2:35pm
post #3750 of 3804
Any chance you or someone else could look at 7-4 and see if there's any ID as far as network affiliation? And really? MundoFOX on 7-2? How many places does it need to air?

- Trip
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