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post #331 of 4258
1/20/06 at 2:34pm
kras

actually, until recently, even the SP5000 and SP4805 were limited distribution to end-user direct or retail only dealers. they did not have wide tier 1 channel distribution, i.e.; ingram's and tech data's of the world. the gloves are off now though and their IN72 and IN76 will be available to just about anybody with a disti account. good news for the end-user and probably not a big deal for someone like you who can add value. i have no idea what their plans are long term, the 72XX series are still not listed. so i'm guessing nothing's changed there.

also, not sure about the whole WA A/V wiring requring an electrician. i did all mine under permit on our basement remodel. all i had to do was prove UL listing on everything. possible it's changed though, this was a year ago.

cheers
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post #332 of 4258
1/20/06 at 3:26pm
In my opinion Infocus didnt set the price at all, Sony panasonic and Optoma set the market price with the Z4, AE900 and HD72. Their is no way the IN76 could survive in the market at $2999.

The HD72 was my #1 choice but the offset simply will not work for me.
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post #333 of 4258
1/20/06 at 3:29pm
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Originally Posted by krasmuzik View Post

Surely you have see the threads from DIY saying they ran an orange extension cord by notching out the floor joists wanting to know if that was OK (and they held it up by wrapping the A/V cord around it. (NO!)!.


LOL, yeah, too funny. Yeah, had I had the budget, I would have hired it out, but it was just too big of an opportunity for savings, especially when you're talking about a major remodel. I made mistakes too, but oh well. Nothing I couldn't fix. I still have a ton of RG6 to terminate! Let's just say I planned for some serious multi-room action and I haven't even had a chance to make it all work yet. Heck, I'll leave it for the next guy. They'll probably look at it and go WTF was this guy thinking!!!
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post #334 of 4258
1/20/06 at 3:43pm
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I still have a ton of RG6 to terminate!

Me too!!

I've always used industrial strength BNC and UHF connectors but have never before had to fall to the level of using RCA connectors! Yech. I hate terminating coax cable at the best of times but when the connector isn't designed for the cable it's awful!

What is the recognized, quality A/V RCA connector used by the AVS pros? Does it require a special tool?

I've considered having some local AV specialist company come out just to terminate those stupid lines but I've been procrastinating
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post #335 of 4258
1/20/06 at 3:55pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Williams View Post

The things I am most proud of with this platform are the refinements. Many of the team members are the same as the ones who worked on the SP4805 and the production line is in the same building, and everyone is impressed that we have gone from a business projector slightly modified for home use to a full-fledged no-complaints home theater product. Every system and subsystem have been improved for home users. We made a list of all the complaints and suggestions and implemented everything we could and still have a value product. This is our first grounds up platform designed specifically for home use, and we took that task seriously.

The biggest single difference from a performance standpoint between the new line and the old X1/X2/SP48xx platform is the airflow design. The new design provides for minimal light leakage and minimal escaping of noise, while improving maintenance with a screen-less, non-outgassing lamp enclosure. The new design allowed us to put all of the connectors in the back where they belong and not worry about vents there. It also got rid of all light leaks out the front and cleaned up the look of the product tremendously.

Right now the design team, located on two continents, is working night and day crossing the "t"s and dotting the "i"s in preparation for mass production. I'm writing these responses in between optical tests on our pre-production units and I think I am a little bit too close to the project right now to really give you anything anecdotal that wouldn't read like a pessimistic story (engineers are paid pessimists you know). Ask me again in a month or so.

Bob
All the goodies you had mentioned like low noise, better air path, less light spill from front etc etc. apply only to IN74 and 76 or to all the 3 models?.

My main complaint about 4805(sorry if I had been over critical) was the fan noise and if I am not mistaken people also had color wheel noise after using the unit for an year or so, especially X1.
As long as the focus on IN72 isnt worse than 4805 no problem.


One more thing that bothered me about X1 was its brightness non-uniformity.
I am sure you might have read about complaints from people that the lower left corner of the image (especially in blank black image) was significantly brighter than the rest (table mounted). This was more noticeable for smaller images
like I had (some 65+ diagonal) and dark scenes. People who had larger images didnt see this nonuniformity.

compared to X1, 4805 had much better uniformity. Almost unnoticeable.

How would you compare the brightness uniformity of 72 and 76 to x1 and 4805.
As long as it is better than 4805 no problem.

Another question regarding zoom modes. 4805 had a mode using which I could zoom 4:3 and fit it in 16:9 screen. Ofcourse I lose some 1/4th the image on top and bottom but it was fine for me. Do 72 and 76 also have those modes?


Thanks
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post #336 of 4258
1/20/06 at 4:16pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Williams View Post

I will put it this way. The IN76, in its noisiest high power mode, is quieter than the SP7205 in its quietest low power mode. The color wheel noise is also much lower.

Bob
Very pleased to hear that but since my budjet is more towards
IN72 let me ask you this.

How would you compare the fan noise of IN72 with 4805.
If you tell me that IN72 at its high power mode is quieter than
4805 at its low power mode, I will be the first one to review
IN72 at AVS :-)

Thanks
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post #337 of 4258
1/20/06 at 4:53pm
cavu

i went out and invested in a $150 compression crimper. One similar to the kind the cable contractors use. It has two fittings, one for type-f and one for RCA. The RCA ends, I get from a local installer supply store. They typically only sell to installers, but alow end-users to purchase there as well (without a discount of course). They cost me about $1.25 per end. One end is two pieces, the outer jacket and the inside pin. It's slick as snot really, you strip the RG6 like you would for a type-F, push the pin on until it "clicks" and then slide the outer jacket over and crimp it. Top notch, and I haven't had one fail yet and I've done a ton. You can get the compression style pieces at home depot and lowe, but they're super expensive. If I remember right, they're like $20 for a half dozen ends. If you have any other questions just pm me. happy friday sorry, back on topic
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post #338 of 4258
1/20/06 at 4:57pm
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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

Bob
Very pleased to hear that but since my budjet is more towards
IN72 let me ask you this.

How would you compare the fan noise of IN72 with 4805.
If you tell me that IN72 at its high power mode is quieter than
4805 at its low power mode, I will be the first one to review
IN72 at AVS :-)

Thanks

I'll let Bob answer, but I'm guessing it's the same. It's the same case which one could guess means the same airflow and I'm guessing the same fan and power supply.
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post #339 of 4258
1/20/06 at 6:20pm
Bob,

Thank you for answering all of our questions so far and for your thoughts on what you're proud of, etc. Very good information. I can say that even with the competition from Optoma, the Mits, Sharp, and LCDs, I'm leaning strongly towards buying an IN76 this year. I've had nothing but good experiences so far with Infocus products, having had both the X1 and 4805. I currently have 3100 hours on my 4805 and it's still looking great. I like the plug and play aspect of the projectors being mostly calibrated right out of the box. And the fact that you have been answering our questions is a definite plus.

When I bought my 4805, I was thinking about jumping to 720p right away, but I went with the cheaper choice for a few reasons. I knew I could justify to myself upgrading sooner by spending less. I knew I didn't need HD resolution yet. And the rave reviews of the 4805 were hard to ignore. Plus, I figured that an extra year of technology would bring me an even better 720p product for the money.

The IN76 sounds like a winner so far and should hold me over until I can get a 1080p projector in this <$3500 forum. I was hoping for a 4805 with 720p and it looks like it'll be even better than that.

Talk to you all later,
George
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post #340 of 4258
1/20/06 at 8:26pm
Damn it on the IN76 and that it is not going to offer real 1024x768. Serious blow to my motivation to replace my 4805, at least with an Infocus product. We'll have to see the HD72 prices out and compares. If I'm stuck with just DVD, PS2, and XBox, I might as well just stay 480p. Was really looking forward to trying out Farcry and such on the HT. Sorry, but 720 vertical, wasting my time. 768 is already bad enough.

My venting said, is there any expectation of the IN76 seeing real XGA support being enabled at some point? Or are the chips physically modified? Or is the controller being used not sufficient to do the 16:9/4:3 mix? Etc. I guess if all else fails and the IN72 streets for a grand, I'd sell the 4805 and get that one just to reduce the vacuum cleaner emulation.
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post #341 of 4258
1/20/06 at 8:45pm
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Originally Posted by SMac770 View Post

I'd sell the 4805 and get that one just to reduce the vacuum cleaner emulation.

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post #342 of 4258
1/20/06 at 9:38pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Williams View Post

It will 1:1 pixel map to a 1280x768 source (digital or analog) with no problem. You will only get the center 1280x720 part of the image, however.

ROFL...why do I read that as "Which part of we only show the center 720 pixels did you not understand?"

Thanks Bob.

Nigel
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post #343 of 4258
1/21/06 at 11:21am
The biggest difference I see between the IN76 and the HD72 is the 1080P de-interlacing. on Over The Air broadcast in 1080i with the HD72 thats what you'll get, so the Faroudja chip won't be doing much but on the IN76 it will be upscaled to 1080P. I love DCDi and when I've seen it in action it's worked miracles. I have never seen the Pixelworks scaler but just figure it rocks since Infocus is using it. On the HD72 with a future Blue-Ray or HD-DVD player the 1080i wont be a big deal as those player will probably come with killer decoder/de-interlacers in one form or fashion or maybe Blu-Ray and HD-DVD's are all 1080P to start with, can't remember. But FREE over the air 1080i should look fabulous on the IN76. What do the rest here think about the DCDi vs the Pixelworks features. What other work does the Faroudja chip do on a 1080i signal?
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post #344 of 4258
1/21/06 at 11:47am
Bob...... I looked for you at CES, but did not find you around the InFocus booth.

1. Thank you for your contributions to this thread. I am amazed at the time and energy you have devoted to answering questions here... were it so that all companies were so well represented!

2. I am wondering about the lumens spec's in the brochure I picked up at CES. Are the lumens reported (900 if I remember correctly) the "calibrated" D65 lumens that we can normally count on from InFocus?

................

To the gentleman who asked the HDMI question concerning his SA8300 HD-DVR. I spoke with the SA reps at CES because my brother also has issues with this problem... he can go directly to his InFocus rear projection TV with no problems, but when he tries to route the signal through his Yamaha 2600 the system reports that the display does not support HDCP. The SA folks admitted that this is "their" fault and that they are working on a fix. Many of the local cable companies have a "beta" fix available to them for testing... I would suggest you contact your cable provider's upper level tech support people and ask them to "push" this beta fix to your box (they can do this ... if they will). The SA folks have known about this problem for some time, but they feel they have bigger fish to fry so it has not received a lot of attention. I had a chance to talk to the head guy on the 8300 program and he claims only about 2% of his calls are about the HDMI problem... so they spend most of their efforts where the biggest problems are...... hope this helps.
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post #345 of 4258
1/21/06 at 12:03pm
That's good info to know as I also have the 8300. Thanks for posting it.

I think all of us here agree with you on your thoughts about Bob posting info and answering our questions. It's a very rare practice and greatly appreciated.
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post #346 of 4258
1/23/06 at 6:45pm
What happened, I have been coming back to the forum each day for new news in this thread, and for the first time it doesn't have a new post. Are all of you heartbroken Bronco fans like me?
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post #347 of 4258
1/23/06 at 6:50pm
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Originally Posted by Tnedator View Post

Are all of you heartbroken Bronco fans like me?

Who are the Broncos?
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post #348 of 4258
1/23/06 at 8:18pm
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Who are the Broncos?

Canadians..........
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post #349 of 4258
1/23/06 at 11:15pm
Broncos?! I'm still mad that my Browns still stink since coming back to the NFL. And to add salt to the wound, the Steelers are in the Super Bowl!

As for the thread, I can't think of any more questions to ask about the IN76. I'm really anxious to see some reviews of it, with comparisons to the its main competition.
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post #350 of 4258
1/24/06 at 3:52am
So if I am understanding this correct, the in76 will NOT be a replacement for the 7205/7210? That probably means we'll see another projector coming out later this year? In78 anyone?
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post #351 of 4258
1/24/06 at 6:22am
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Originally Posted by billymac View Post

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Originally Posted by NathanC
is it safe to assume that the street price will be around these numbers when it's finally released?

yes

While I agree that these street prices will likely continue once the unit is released, many of these dealers are probably already offering the unit for less than what Infocus allows for online sales. Infocus just sent out a round of strongly phrased letters reminding delaers that they are not allowed to sell the 4805 online for less than $1099 (minus rebate). You may have noticed that most reputable online dealers complied and raised the price on the 4805. Others, like that jungle animal one that briefly landed on the "unauthorized delears" list for similar practices, did not. It remains to be seen how Infocus will react to below MAP pricing on the Big Play series and what leverage, if any, they have with renegade delears.

On the consumer side, sometimes it pays to call online delears that post the MAP price just to check if they will sell the unit for less than what they offer online -- often they will.
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post #352 of 4258
1/24/06 at 7:58am
I have a question which is probably more general in nature, but since I'm planning on getting this projector, it seemed like a good place to ask it.

I get Hi-Def through Comcast, and the box can be switched from 1080i to 720p depending on your TV. My question is, for a projector such as this with its own deinterlacer, does it make more sense to set the cable box to the resolution of the broadcast, or to leave it at 720p all of the time? The same question applies to the upcoming HD disc formats. Thanks.
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post #353 of 4258
1/24/06 at 8:14am
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Originally Posted by Tnedator View Post

What happened, I have been coming back to the forum each day for new news in this thread, and for the first time it doesn't have a new post. Are all of you heartbroken Bronco fans like me?

No...I am a giddy Steelers fan...who is having an Optoma HD72 delivered to me the first week of Feb.

But, I still am curious about IF new line...but I have to agree to earlier posts about purchasing. I currently own the X1...but I didn't get it until Best Buy had it for sale. I purchased the HD72 through Projector People. Why IF thinks they can still try to be a "boutique" line I am not getting...lets get this stuff to the masses. I also am curious how the 76 will be priced...I have given up hope on release date and price at this point for IF.
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post #354 of 4258
1/24/06 at 8:17am
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Originally Posted by mumbles3k View Post

I get Hi-Def through Comcast, and the box can be switched from 1080i to 720p depending on your TV.

The majority of HD channels broadcast in 1080i so it is best to leave the Moto at 1080i. I believe ABC and ESPN are two that broadcast in 720p; for casual watching I would leave the Moto at 1080i but if there is some spectacular sports event on those channels I would switch the Moto to 720p on the basis that that will require the minimum amount of signal processing and the fast motion of a sports event might look better in native 720p - but even as I say that, I have never noticed any improvement. It's a half dozen keystrokes one way or the other - not a big deal to change on the fly.
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post #355 of 4258
1/24/06 at 9:21am
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Originally Posted by braindew View Post

Why IF thinks they can still try to be a "boutique" line I am not getting...lets get this stuff to the masses.

Only the IN74EX is exclusive to the custom HT dealers (i.e. boutiques). I believe IF plans to have widespread distribution of the IN76 and IN72 just like the 4805.
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post #356 of 4258
1/24/06 at 10:56am
Wow, I would hate to have to watch the Bungles on a big screen in HD. It probably reveals even more what pretenders they are. I feel bad for Carson, but the hit was clean. The one thing they teach all O-lineman is never push your guy inside in that situation (when he's falling).
Anyway, I am excited as well for the new Infocus line. I love the black. Maybe I'll paint a little yellow 7 on the side.
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post #357 of 4258
1/24/06 at 11:09am
With my lower lumen X1, I was only able to discern the roll of Kimo as nothing more than intentially trying to alter the pass of Palmer. The truth of the matter is, will the IN76 be able to fully display the deep blacks of the Steelers uniforms as well as the competing DLPs. I am thinking that the 5000:1 HD72 will prevail. But, who knows...maybe the IN76 will help out with dithering and those Bengal stripes.

As far as IF's dedication to mass production...we will see. I was talking more of the click and buy variety.
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post #358 of 4258
1/24/06 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by braindew View Post

As far as IF's dedication to mass production...we will see. I was talking more of the click and buy variety.

Plenty of click and buy availability on the 4805. I expect the same for the IN72/76.

Hey - you're from Texas, aren't you supposed to be a Cowboys fan!?!?
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post #359 of 4258
1/24/06 at 6:08pm
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Originally Posted by DanC-P View Post

While I agree that these street prices will likely continue once the unit is released, many of these dealers are probably already offering the unit for less than what Infocus allows for online sales. Infocus just sent out a round of strongly phrased letters reminding delaers that they are not allowed to sell the 4805 online for less than $1099 (minus rebate). You may have noticed that most reputable online dealers complied and raised the price on the 4805. Others, like that jungle animal one that briefly landed on the "unauthorized delears" list for similar practices, did not. It remains to be seen how Infocus will react to below MAP pricing on the Big Play series and what leverage, if any, they have with renegade delears.

On the consumer side, sometimes it pays to call online delears that post the MAP price just to check if they will sell the unit for less than what they offer online -- often they will.

I hope some of you guys realize that buying an Infocus projector from places like cheapassprojectors.com, i.e., unauthorized online vendors, means that your unit will have no warranty. I'd rather spend a few bucks more and know that I'm getting mine with a warranty that will be honored by Infocus.

I'd also like to point out that I think these posts concerning discounted prices are more than likely insulting to
Bob Williams who has been kind enough to answer our many questions regarding the new line up. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we see no further comments from him.
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post #360 of 4258
1/24/06 at 7:19pm
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Originally Posted by smithfarmer View Post

I hope some of you guys realize that buying an Infocus projector from places like cheapassprojectors.com, i.e., unauthorized online vendors, means that your unit will have no warranty. I'd rather spend a few bucks more and know that I'm getting mine with a warranty that will be honored by Infocus.

I'd also like to point out that I think these posts concerning discounted prices are more than likely insulting to
Bob Williams who has been kind enough to answer our many questions regarding the new line up. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we see no further comments from him.

No offense smithfarmer, but I doubt Bob really cares. We're not talking about pricing in a way that reflects poorly on Bob or his product and technically any pricing discussed here other than msrp is pure speculation. Plenty of authorized dealers are going to cary the INXX products at aggressive pricing and people who "get" the value add they pay for from installers and specialty AV dealers are going to pay more and be comfortable with that.

We all appreciate Bob taking the time to stop by here and fill in the blanks. It's way above and beyond. We're all here because we want answers and are looking forward to their next release. Bob, thanks again.
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