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post #151 of 3340
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Originally Posted by biker19 View Post

I'm not sure this is any better confirmation of the rumors about these features we've heard before.

No, it isn't.

First time I've heard more concrete dates and features attributed to Strickland though. He's always demoing cool things that Verizon may (or may not) deploy at some point in the unspecified future ... and usually very careful not get into specific features / timeframes though (or anything that could be quoted / reported as such).

We shall see.
post #152 of 3340
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Originally Posted by stepmback View Post

I found out today that I can get the internet and TV service and am considering leaving Cox to save some money and get a better pic quality.

How fast is the channel changing on the FIOS TV Service and the speed of menues? My Cox service is kind of slow, which ultimately is annoying. Anyone going from Cox to FIOS? How is the pic quality? Better or worse?

It is good to see a Cox subscriber posting here. Most FiOS subs, it seems, at least the ones who post here, are former DirecTV subs. Hopefully you can get some feedback from ex-Cox subs. I can tell you that the channel changing and speed of menus is very responsive. I certainly wouldn't characterize it as slow. The remote takes some getting used to and for best results you need to have a direct line of sight from the remote to the set top box. I would definitely recommend the DVR over the HD set top box for only $3 a month more. As for picture quality, compared to DirecTV, FiOS blows it away. Of course that's no surprise with the finite capacity D* has and the seemingly ever increasing number of channels. I would love to hear some comparisons of PQ between FiOS and Cox. As far as Internet, the quality and reliability are simply unsurpassed. I have had FiOS Internet for over 9 months and have had to my knowledge one 10-minute outage. And I am on the Internet quite a bit. Any savings you get from one service to the other will be gravy. I pay $45 a month for 15/2 Internet and around $100 a month for TV with two DVRs, one standard definition set top box and get all the movie channels except Cinemax. I can't believe Verizon's customer service would not be better than Cox's, also. Just more gravy. I should tell you that for HD sports, FiOS is still a little light. One advantage they have over Cox is ESPN2's HD channel. But Cox has InHD1 and 2, currently not available on FiOS. Also because of the stranglehold that InDemand has on the professional sports subscriptions, you can't presently get those on FiOS either. Hopefully FiOS will soon be adding Comcast SportsNet's HD feed. Both FiOS and Cox have MASN if you want to watch Nationals games.
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High Definition (HD) Services

- Customers will need an HDTV-capable or HDTV-ready
set and an HDTV receiver from Cox to receive HDTV.
- Customers must also subscribe to Cox Digital Cable.
- Some televisions sold previously as HD sets only feature
a 720 signal. These sets aren't compatible with Cox's
HDTV service, which requires a 1080i signal.

I pulled the above quote off Cox's website. Is this for real, particularly the last sentence? What on earth are they talking about? With statements like this, no wonder there is so much FUD about HDTV.
post #153 of 3340
Even if you don't switch, at least you should call Cox and ask for a discount - couch it by saying you are thinking of switching to FiOS. I'm sure they've gotten many such calls already and are probably ready to offer quite a few incentives.
post #154 of 3340
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Originally Posted by billodom View Post

I pulled the above quote off Cox's website. Is this for real, particularly the last sentence?

No ... it used to be when Cox only deployed the SciAtl 3100HD. The 3100HD didn't provide/support 720p output. It would ONLY output 1080i via component ... and it would automatically convert 720p -> 1080i. But if you had a set that would only accept 720p input ... the 3100HD wouldn't provide any HD.

Cox has now upgraded to the 3250HD (and later boxes) ... the 1080i-only requirement no longer applies.
post #155 of 3340
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Originally Posted by biker19 View Post

Even if you don't switch, at least you should call Cox and ask for a discount - couch it by saying you are thinking of switching to FiOS. I'm sure they've gotten many such calls already and are probably ready to offer quite a few incentives.

Hey, it's deja vu all over again.
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Originally Posted by biker19 View Post

With all the promotions going on now I bet you could lower your Cox bill down to $100 just by asking. They are losing many folks like yourself to FIOS. The nice thing about Cox and FIOS is that once all the infrastructure is in place for both you could switch between the two at any time (unlike satelite where you have long term contracts and equipment to buy).

That was a response you made to poster croorc last month who was scheduled to switch to FiOS TV on February 21. Unfortunately, he hasn't bothered to post any followup. Well, maybe someday someone will actually switch and let us know what, if any, difference there is in PQ. I'd be shocked if Cox were losing much business to Verizon at this point, given the low publicity for FiOS TV.
post #156 of 3340
How are the On Demand services? Do they have HDTV ondemand? Cox has one or two titles that are out on DVD on deman for 5 bucks. Is there more with FIOS?
post #157 of 3340
I live in Howard County Maryland. I saw contractors installing the overhead fiber lines near my house today.....that means fios is coming to town.

i am going to be upgrading my dsl to the fios internet and cancelling my dish network to go with the verizon extended basic package.

the only negative so far is that verizon does not offer any pakistani/urdu programming. that means i will have to stick with dish for like three channels.

how will that work? (dish reciever and verizon box together)
post #158 of 3340
fog80: I am not sure how u shall be able to combine the programming of the two services since I am presuming you would like to use the internal cable wiring for verizon FIOS TV to your TV. Maybe someone veteran out here can provide some ideas. I am curious as well since I subscribe to International Programming as well
post #159 of 3340
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Originally Posted by mallu2u View Post

fog80: I am not sure how u shall be able to combine the programming of the two services since I am presuming you would like to use the internal cable wiring for verizon FIOS TV to your TV. Maybe someone veteran out here can provide some ideas. I am curious as well since I subscribe to International Programming as well

i dont have any internal wiring. my dual dish reciever is in an upstairs bedroom and the dish guy ran the coax right through the wall into the room.

the coax enters the house on the ground floor through the wall as well. I am hoping that verizon can just run their own cable side by side with the dish coax.
post #160 of 3340
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Originally Posted by billodom View Post

I'd be shocked if Cox were losing much business to Verizon at this point, given the low publicity for FiOS TV.

They might not be losing the general public, but of the folks that know about FiOS, I'd bet there are fair number that are/will switch.
post #161 of 3340
I switched from Cox Cable TV and Internet to Verzion Fios TV and Internet and so far I have been very satisfied. The package is cheaper than Cox (same premium channels) and I think that overall, the picture quality is better with Verizon. My wife commented to me that she thought the HD broadcasts looked better on Verizon.

In my opinion, HDNet is much better than InHD, at least as far as movie offerings are concerned. The PVR box is much better than Cox's PVR box. For example, Cox's fast forwarding, even at the fastest level, is excruciatingly slow. Not so with Verizon. FIOS's PVR menu is superior also--more intuitive and program/episode searches are more robust.

The only downside--it took two days for the entire install. Two installers on day one (about 10:30 am to 6:30 pm), then one installer on day two (3:00 pm to about 6:00 pm). Part of the problem was that my TV install was only the second one done by the Verizon installer (both installers were verizon employees, not contractors, and no digging in my yard occured). Install was on Feb 22-23.

I contacted Cox before Verizon did the install and notified them that I was thinking of switching to Verizon. The best deal Cox would give me was half-price internet for three months, then afterwards back to the normal fee.

So far, I am very impressed with FIOS, and I would not go back to Cox. I must admit, however, that Cox's customer service had, in my opinion, been very good over the past few years, and the internet connection has been solid. Time will tell with Verizon.

--croorc
post #162 of 3340
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Originally Posted by billodom View Post

Well, maybe someday someone will actually switch and let us know what, if any, difference there is in PQ. I'd be shocked if Cox were losing much business to Verizon at this point, given the low publicity for FiOS TV.

Well, they're about to lose one in Falls Church/Annandale. I'll let you know next week. Had the FIOS 15/2 data package since last October and I'm switching from Cox to FIOS TV next Friday -
post #163 of 3340
I discovered today that there is a major flaw with the FIOS Motorola HD/DVR boxes. I would think that this has been discussed already but I have don't have time to search through the entire thread. I had an entire install of FOIS on 6 TV's today. After the tech left I started to tweak out the units starting with my HT room. The box is run to my IF7205 FP via HDMI, sound to my AVR via coax. The first thing I noticed is that the sound was defaulting to PCM. I played with the little sound setting that Motorola has only to find out there was no way to get the DVR to play in Dolby 5.1 or better. I called FIOS cust support and was transferred to a "specialist". What a joke that was trying to explain while she was on the other line with Motorola tech support. Long story short Motorola has a bug in their box that does not allow DD 5.1 playback when using the HDMI for video and coax or optic for audio. I was told to forget using HDMI and use component instead and that will enable DD 5.1 playback via digital output. They have to be kidding me! I immediately cancelled service and told them to come back and pick up all the equip. Glad I did not cancel my BrightHouse service. FIOS admitted that they know about this issue but feel that it is not a big problem and that they were told by Motorola that they should have a fix in a month or so....I HAVE HEARD THAT BEFORE. Also in Video observation, I have to say I see no quality improvement over BrightHouse. All in all I am very disapointed. I have had FIOS for my data for a couple of months and have been very happy. I really was hoping that FIOS TV would blow me away but that just does not seem to be the case in any way shape or form. In reality I think the PQ with BH is better....go figure.
post #164 of 3340
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Originally Posted by baja View Post

I would think that this has been discussed already but I have don't have time to search through the entire thread.

You're correct. It's a known issue that's discussed in 25% of the posts. No offense, but if you don't have time to read through a thread then you shouldn't have time to post.
post #165 of 3340
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Originally Posted by Stew4msu View Post

You're correct. It's a known issue that's discussed in 25% of the posts. No offense, but if you don't have time to read through a thread then you shouldn't have time to post.

No offense taken Some of these threads are SSSSSOOOOOOOOOO long here that it would take ones weekend to read them. I did breeze through the last couple pages of the thread and did not see anything. Wish I had the time to read every thread I would not of had to go through the time I wasted today on my install with FIOS. But it still wouldn't of changed placing my post to give my opinion. FIOS should be ashamed of themselves! Claiming in full page adds that they have the latest and greatest technology and have a bug like that in their hardware. That bug takes you back five years in tehnology. Another thing I don't like about the Motorola box is that you can only output in a set resolution. The lack of an "auto" mode is another short comming of the Motorola design. This box reminds me of the earlier DTV boxes with all the bugs that they had to work out. Heck, come on... Motorola has designed enough harware to know better than to release a box with these issues.
I will give FIOS credit on their data end as I think it far superior to any other service currently out their. However they have some growing pains to get over with their TV service. Perhaps I will come back to them in a year or so to see if they have outgrown them.
post #166 of 3340
I
had the Verizon Fios "triple play" installed in my house this past Tuesday. The install took all day (9AM-5PM) but all went well.

Love the internet service, just as quick online as the previous Optimum Online broadband cable modem.

The FIOS TV looks great. I don't really like their Motorola 6416 HD-DVR box compared to the Cablevision SA8300 but it will have to do. The Motorola isn't as tweakable as the SA.

And the remote stinks but I will soon activate a Harmony 880.

Overall this install will save me $$ per month and I will have one bill for all these services.

I am pleased. The Verizon guys were great.
post #167 of 3340
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Originally Posted by baja View Post

No offense taken Some of these threads are SSSSSOOOOOOOOOO long here that it would take ones weekend to read them.

Yep, I just finished post #1400 out of 10,000 in this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=584936

In another week or so, I should be caught up.


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Originally Posted by baja View Post

Wish I had the time to read every thread I would not of had to go through the time I wasted today on my install with FIOS.

That's why I haven't gotten it yet.

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Originally Posted by baja View Post

FIOS should be ashamed of themselves! Claiming in full page adds that they have the latest and greatest technology and have a bug like that in their hardware. That bug takes you back five years in tehnology. Another thing I don't like about the Motorola box is that you can only output in a set resolution. The lack of an "auto" mode is another short comming of the Motorola design. This box reminds me of the earlier DTV boxes with all the bugs that they had to work out. Heck, come on... Motorola has designed enough harware to know better than to release a box with these issues.

No different than D* latest foray into DVR's without TiVo. Plenty of bugs in that one too. The first release is always buggy. I'm sure it'll all get corrected.
post #168 of 3340
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Originally Posted by Stew4msu View Post


No different than D* latest foray into DVR's without TiVo. Plenty of bugs in that one too. The first release is always buggy. I'm sure it'll all get corrected.

I am sure they will in time but I have already been through the growing pains with D@ and Voom. The reason I was switching from Brighthouse was more due to convienience and FIOS's programming package is cheaper (don't know how long that will last). However with no added PQ and Motorola's less than stellar design and shot commings, I think I will sit on the side line and watch. I will give credit to Verizon's cust service, thy are better than most in that respect. I was told that they should be releasing a fix for the sound issue about mid April but once agin I have heard those promisses all to often in the past. If they were given a fix from Motorola and FIOS has not yet implemented it one would think that there are yet issues to work out with it. BTW I was not told by Verizon cust service that Motorola has a "fix" I just read that in an earlier post. They just said they were told there was a release date for mid April.
post #169 of 3340
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Originally Posted by baja View Post

...The reason I was switching from Brighthouse was more due to convienience and FIOS's programming package is cheaper (don't know how long that will last). However with no added PQ and Motorola's less than stellar design and shot commings, I think I will sit on the side line and watch. I will give credit to Verizon's cust service, thy are better than most in that respect. I was told that they should be releasing a fix for the sound issue about mid April but once agin I have heard those promisses all to often in the past. If they were given a fix from Motorola and FIOS has not yet implemented it one would think that there are yet issues to work out with it. BTW I was not told by Verizon cust service that Motorola has a "fix" I just read that in an earlier post. They just said they were told there was a release date for mid April.

Great info. Thanks for posting. Coming from DirecTV like I did, the PQ is a big improvement for me. I wouldn't think there would be much, if any, PQ improvement between FiOS and a modern digital cable plant like BH there in Tampa. I'm looking forward to them resolving the audio issue. Frankly for me and my Yamaha/Klipsch audio setup, I don't notice a big difference between DD5.1 and PLII, but obviously I'd rather have the former. Just like the difference between HDMI and component, on my 46-inch DLP there is not a big difference but there is a difference all the same. Particularly in my case I get much less overscan through HDMI. In the programming area, Verizon has some catching up to do, particularly in HD sports. Not having the InHD channels and their three MLB games a week in high def is a big disappointment to me, not to mention the lack of our regional sports network's HD feed and the 50-plus HD Orioles games they'll be doing this year.
post #170 of 3340
Remember that there's another player to be blamed in this DVR business - Mircrosoft. It's a combination of Verizon telling both Motorola AND MS what it needs/wants changed.

Did you hear about the delay in Vista?
post #171 of 3340
Thread Starter 
I want to replace the 4-way splitter the Verizon installers gave me last month with an 8-way splitter. Any recommendations?

What are the minimum specifications I should look for?
post #172 of 3340
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Originally Posted by rickypicky View Post

I want to replace the 4-way splitter the Verizon installers gave me last month with an 8-way splitter. Any recommendations?

What are the minimum specifications I should look for?

Good question and one that's probably going to start getting asked more ...

I would say the answer would depend on:

1) What frequency range (MHz) is Verizon using for Moca?

2) Are there any splitter characteristics that make it harder / easier and or more / less error prone for Moca to bridge?

Unfortunately, I don't know the answer to either (off-hand).
post #173 of 3340
One problem I have with the Motorola QIP6416 cable box is that the switched outlet doesn't work well with my Sony SXRD.

When I turn off the cable box, I need the Sony to also shut off (which it does..the Sony turns off) but the fan must continue to work for a few minutes (for the bulbs life).

My previous Cablevision SA8300 did that but this Motorola shuts down everything to stop (the fan also turns off).

The settings in the Motorola just aren't as good as the SA.

Anyone know if its possible to get the Motorola to work properly? Or should I just leave the Sony in its own seperate outlet?
post #174 of 3340
The MoCA IP frequency range is 1125 MHz to 1425 MHz.
post #175 of 3340
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Originally Posted by VIDEOKNG View Post

One problem I have with the Motorola QIP6416 cable box is that the switched outlet doesn't work well with my Sony SXRD.

When I turn off the cable box, I need the Sony to also shut off (which it does..the Sony turns off) but the fan must continue to work for a few minutes (for the bulbs life).

My previous Cablevision SA8300 did that but this Motorola shuts down everything to stop (the fan also turns off).

The settings in the Motorola just aren't as good as the SA.

Anyone know if its possible to get the Motorola to work properly? Or should I just leave the Sony in its own seperate outlet?

I have a feeling your previous DVR's outlet was not switched at all - that's the only way the fan could keep working after the main power is shut down - it needs power.
You should plug the Sony into its own outlet.
post #176 of 3340
Hey all -

Just wanted to give you some real info on the installation of FiOS. I was a former Cox customer who was frankly tired of watching the snowy analog channels and really wanted the "clear" picture Cox promises but can't seem to deliver.

Anyways, since this is hardware related, I thought I'd talk about the install.

Firstly, the guys installing the service seemed more knowledgeable than the Cox guys that I've had in the past (though there was ONE serviceman from Cox that did impress me). They explained what needed to be done, and were very willing to listen to my concerns and work out how the installation took place.

The installation requires a lot of additional hardware (I don't have a sat so I am just comparing to Cox. phone, etc.). They install a battery backup device to power a rather large box outside the house.

The computer is run using an RJ-45 (as others said). Just so you understand how cool this is..you are running RJ-45 to a fiber line run to the house (for the non-techies this sounds real neat LOL). Anyways I did speed tests and have got a firm 15148 down, 1896 up (I got the 15MBps package). This is plain incredible and blows away the Cox connection which averaged about 2-3 MBps down on non-peak times.

The TV was run with my existing Cox lines. However there is a special box they need to have VOD work called an NIM. This box seems to only work with the provided D-Link router (if they ask whether or not you want their router, best say yes). I tried to use it on my LinkSys and it didn't work (called them to confirm that it doesn't work with most routers/switches since it required some firmware in the D-Link). Don't worry if you have another router already configured for wireless, as all I had to do was run a cable from that routers 'WAN' jack into the D-Link network and all worked fine.

Coming from Cox all I can say is that I now have my money's worth. The channel changing is MUCH faster on FiOS. The PQ on all channels is much better, and there are no snowy analog stations anymore. SCI-FI now looks like Cox HD channels Most channels look as good as DVD (though the ones that don't are most likely broadcasting poorly).

Anyways, so far I am very happy with the whole process, the total install took about 5 hours, so plan for some time. In the end its very worth it, I love the Motorola HD DVR box, it even looks nice next to my Denon, and sounds great through my Def Tech 7.1 speakers

Let me know if you need any more info, I'll try to answer anything that I can. I think FiOS will set a new standard in TV - and I don't even work for Verizon
post #177 of 3340
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Originally Posted by rickypicky View Post

I want to replace the 4-way splitter the Verizon installers gave me last month with an 8-way splitter. Any recommendations?

What are the minimum specifications I should look for?

I had the 8 way installed from FIOS. This is what the splitter say's, hope it helps:

PDI Mega Splitter PDI-8WMVS-5 5-1000MHZ 8 way

Each of the 8 outputs is 12.5DB

BTW this splitter also works perfectly for my Brighhouse, left the splitter in place when I switched everything back.

One other negative with the Motorola box that I also forgot to mention is the use of a cooling fan. It seems pretty much across the board to me that most favor the SA 8300HD DVR to the Motorola. Another thing with the box that suprised me is they use the same body for the DVR and HD box, and this is no small box. It is not high but quite wide. If it is going into a cabinet no problem but on a dresser like in a bedroom the standard HD box takes up a lot of space. Even the SD box is rather on the large side.
post #178 of 3340
I watched Alien vs Predator on my 65 inch rear screen projection Toshiba last night. Since this is an analog TV, I don't run the HDMI out to this set. The sound was very nice, I know I read about the sound problems from HDMI. The DVR playback was flawless, the picture was very nice. The one problem I now note (as written by others) is the Motorola seems to be fixed at 720p, which is not the best resolution for my 65 inch (its 1080i native). It is wonderful for my DLP TV though, which is why the picture is so much better on my DLP. But, my DLP does not allow me to change to widescreen at 720p input (neither will my 65 inch if I use the digital input, but for now its on component).

I will therefore agree that the Motorola box looks nice, has fast menus, and is very easy to use, however I really would like the ability to change the output (768p would be real nice as well), and at some point the 5.1 should work using the HDMI output. But this is PAR for the course, as many want to complain, I remeber only 1 week ago I had 10 HD channels, now I have 21+, and I can wait a bit for this.

Anyways, I am still happy with the service, but there is a few things on the TV side that I hope are resolved sometime in April. This, btw, would not make me go back to Cox, since the PQ is still worlds above them.
post #179 of 3340
An article from 3/15 has some info:
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Following locations:

Essex County;
Cedar Grove, Fairfield, Livingston and Verona

Bergen County: Bogota

Middlesex County: Middlesex

Monmouth County:
Allenhurst, Avon, Bradley Beach, Deal, Freehold Township, Howell Township, Interlaken, Loch Arbour, Neptune City, Neptune Township, Ocean Township and Shrewsbury Township

Morris County: Mt. Olive and Roxbury

Somerset County:
ranchburg, Bridgewater, Green Brook and Raritan

Cool!


Article:
http://sys-con.com/read/195199.htm
post #180 of 3340
I believe if you go into the menu (shut off the DVR but leave the TV on...then press MENU till you bring up a white screen that has aspect ratio and other settings such as 720p/1080i) you can change it to 1080i.

Its weird how they designed this DVR.
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