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post #211 of 4647
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Originally Posted by Quinocampa View Post

Are any of you ordering thru online vendors? Can you recommend any? I have found projectorpoint_dot_com to have the lowest price I could find, but I have no idea on their reputability or shipping charge.

Let me know about the internet vendors, as I'd love to get one on order quickly. What have lead times been like?

I placed my order with projectorpoint for the 50xr5 on 12-10-05 (they were backordered of course) and it is scheduled to arrive on 1-9-06. 50" plasmas always seem to be much less available compared to other sizes from what I've noticed. People speak highly of cleveland plasma so I'm sure you would be happy ordering from him too.

Here's the current status on my order from projectorpoint...

1. 1Z 567 093 42 4771 528 9
In Transit -
On Time

Sched. Delivery: 01/09/2006
Shipped to: RENO, NV, US
Service Type: GROUND

Your package is in the UPS system and is on time with a scheduled delivery date of 01/09/2006.

Tracking results provided by UPS: 01/06/2006 1:55 A.M. Eastern Time (USA)
post #212 of 4647
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Originally Posted by GamerGuy View Post

My 50xr5 will be arrriving on the 9th

Unfortunately, I will be leaving for vacation on the 7th

I'm gonna have to have someone here to receive it. I won't get back until the 16th so I'm gonna have to miss out on all that quality time we could've had together before then

Just a note: Who ever signes may want to unbox your panel as almost all venders have a 48 hour window to report consealed shipping damage. Be careful if you wait to inspect your panel it may be to late. Might even want to delay it for your own inspection.
post #213 of 4647
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Originally Posted by lmarkoff View Post

I would love to believe that my new 50XR5 has incorporated the Realta chip, but do you really think that NEC would do such a thing and not be trumpeting it from the rooftops? It would give them a tremendous marketing edge over the other 50-inch competition. If anyone can confirm or deny cpcat's analysis, I would like to know too. I can tell from watching SD that it has a darn good de-interlacer/upscaler, but it would be truly remarkable if they are using the Realta.

I spoke to NEC tech support about this yesterday and the question was referred to an engineer, but I've not heard back yet.

I went back and read some in the video processor forum and I found that motion compensated deinterlacing is even too much for Realta. The best currently available seems to be motion adaptive. The Realta HQV (Hollywood Quality Video) is certainly touted as being on of the best new chips, though.

I guess the model supplement pamphlet has a typo.

It's still possible they use Realta. I would also be surprised as they don't use it in marketing. Also, I think the HQV logo is usually applied if the chip is there. See http://www.necvisualsystems.com/Prod...6-0244061f690a and use the magnifying glass.
post #214 of 4647
Anyone know how to post pics that are not HUGE. I just linked some that Chris was hosting for me and they showed up HUGE!
post #215 of 4647
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Originally Posted by Quinocampa View Post


This group's enthusiasm for the 50XR5 is contagious, but I have seen no professional published reviews yet. Thought briefly about getting the Visio for about 30% less than the prevailing plasma prices. It has two HDMI's, and is well-reviewed as best bang-for-the-buck. It didn't have screen saving options, nor did it have any extensive calibration, so I've held off.

Thank you, this is my first post!

EDIT>>

no price other than MSRP, please. Thanks

Welcome to the forum.
Contagious is good only to the extent that it adds "information". Now, as to what is good info and bad info I am afraid it is something that we have to decide on our own.

Read through the lines, note who's posting what and in most cases you'll be able to tell when the info is genuine, b/s, marketing .... Ultimately use your own judgement. And if you are seeking professional opinions, this is not in my view the first place to search even though you will find references to reviews.

As to online NEC vendors, I have used TVA, a sponsor here at AVS, for my NEC 2 years ago and was very happy (but in this business 2 years might be a long time). I used very recently Visual Apex for the purchase of a pj and was also very happy.

Good luck !
post #216 of 4647
Tony, go to imageshack.com, they will resize them for you and host as well.

http://www.imageshack.us/
post #217 of 4647
Okay, thanks to calim who was kind enough to resize and host these for me, below are a couple picks of the game the other night. I was a little hesitant to post these because this was before I had done any picture setting tweaks and the picture quality has definitely improved since these. Nonetheless, they do show some of the potential this panel is capable of.

The first one is of the national anthem singer and the second is off the guys holding the flags during it. I posted the flag one cause it has alot of smoke in the background. I have seen alot of panels struggle with this type of scene and wanted to show how flawlessly the NEC handled it. It also shows that the blacks are BLACK.

I have a couple more pics showing the whole panel with the lights on and the side of it with the cable cover over it (in case those who would need the cover wanted to see it with it on). As soon as I can I will post those as well.




post #218 of 4647
Wow, nice pics Tony! It would be interesting to see a full resolution picture although it would be better to provide a link to the picture rather than put it in-line. I think the downsized pics are showing artifacting that is probably not in the full size pics i.e. false contouring.

Microsoft has an handy "image resizer" powertoy if you have PC with Windows XP. Just right click your mouse over the picture you want to resize and select resize pictures. It gives you several options but even the large size (1024 x768), results in a good size for posting with a reasonable size. Download it here.

http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...ertoySetup.exe

Thanks for posting the pictures (hopefully a grayscale pic is coming soon ).
post #219 of 4647
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Originally Posted by tony17 View Post

Okay, thanks to calim who was kind enough to resize and host these for me, below are a couple picks of the game the other night. I was a little hesitant to post these because this was before I had done any picture setting tweaks and the picture quality has definitely improved since these. Nonetheless, they do show some of the potential this panel is capable of.

The first one is of the national anthem singer and the second is off the guys holding the flags during it. I posted the flag one cause it has alot of smoke in the background. I have seen alot of panels struggle with this type of scene and wanted to show how flawlessly the NEC handled it. It also shows that the blacks are BLACK.

I have a couple more pics showing the whole panel with the lights on and the side of it with the cable cover over it (in case those who would need the cover wanted to see it with it on). As soon as I can I will post those as well.

Thanks for posting the pics! The blacks do look very impressive in the smoke/flag shot.

However, I do see some gradient banding and the dreaded clayface on Ms. Rimes. Is this due the pic resizing and processing or have you noticed some of this on the screen? If it was on the screen, have you're tweaks taken care of it?
post #220 of 4647
You are exactly right N8G ... this clayface issue is the reason I still don't have a plasma TV. My early reading lead me to believe that the 42" XR4 was the only one of the "new" NEC's that had all of the state-of-the-art features...am I wrong in thinking this?
post #221 of 4647
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Originally Posted by N8G View Post

However, I do see some gradient banding and the dreaded clayface on Ms. Rimes.

I see it too. But what was the input? That could explain everything, even with the best tweaking.
post #222 of 4647
It would be interesting- after we get a couple of hours under the xr5's belt and some of us/you who are very good at calibrating.
post - for let's say night/dark Movie DVD setting. We all have different EQ. so some some seting would be different. But it would also be interesting to see how close all our setting are too.

Tony17 (my friend) I haven't got a HD feed yet. %&#@%(% comast), I hope my PQ is that good.

* aslo those of you how have Blade Runner (I have the newer one) opening sceen. Black clouds on Black back ground viewing the city or oil fields.- very interesting...
db
post #223 of 4647
mhfnet...I forgot to take a grayscale when I had the camera...maybe cpcat can take one for you. N8G....the camera did add some unwanted effects in the picture which is why I really didn't want to post them...but I wanted to at least show you guys something. I can assure you there is NO clayface whatsoever on this panel. I think the pausing of the image with the tivo adds some unwanted noise as well. If I can I will try to take some pics with my measly 3.2mp camera after the tweaks I did and see how they come out.

I've loaded some others onto image shack. I had to reduce the size from over 1MB each to like 98KB, so they got a little blurred compared to the originals, but look decent. One is of the football game, which I took to show the level of black and details in the background. The other is a quick pic of the overall plasma and the last is of the side panel with the cover in case those who are going to use the cover wanted to see what it would look like.





post #224 of 4647
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Originally Posted by yobob View Post

I see it too. But what was the input? That could explain everything, even with the best tweaking.

yobob, that was ota with my hdtivo. however, before any tweaks and using the hdmi cable that came with the box. I've since gotten a cable from RAM (forum sponsor) and done pretty many tweaks. Anything noise in the above picture is now gone. I hope to post better pics soon.
post #225 of 4647
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Originally Posted by tony17 View Post

yobob, that was ota with my hdtivo. however, before any tweaks and using the hdmi cable that came with the box. I've since gotten a cable from RAM (forum sponsor) and done pretty many tweaks. Anything noise in the above picture is now gone. I hope to post better pics soon.

I thought as much. And your quote from post #223, pretty much says it all:

"NO clayface whatsoever on this panel"

Thanks Tony! And congrats!
post #226 of 4647
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Originally Posted by tony17 View Post

mhfnet...I forgot to take a grayscale when I had the camera...maybe cpcat can take one for you.

I've tried taking pics of the greyscale pattern. It just looks horrible and it's not even worth posting. My digital camera is old (Canon ps100) and I don't have a tripod.

Your pics look spectacular, though, compared to mine. I'm sure the clayface is an artifact of either the camera or the computer. I see absolutely no clayface artifacting with my panel. I know you said your settings were "out of the box", but can you post them anyway? Whatever they were, I'd like to try them out.
post #227 of 4647
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Just a note: Who ever signes may want to unbox your panel as almost all venders have a 48 hour window to report consealed shipping damage. Be careful if you wait to inspect your panel it may be to late. Might even want to delay it for your own inspection.

I will make sure this gets done. Thanks
post #228 of 4647
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Originally Posted by tony17 View Post

mhfnet...I forgot to take a grayscale when I had the camera...maybe cpcat can take one for you.

If you or cpcat ever get some good quality pics of the grayscale I would love to have one. I would also love to see any full resolution pictures. You can email them to me at the address I sent you in the last PM.

I am very interest in the grayscale pic because I got burn on my last Hitachi plasma because it had a banding problems that would have been easily determined using the AVIA grayscale ramp pattern. Unfortunately I bought if from a store with a poor return policy and ended up getting "stuck" with it. Luckily I was able to convince Hitachi that it was unacceptable (using photos) and they are in the process of giving me a refund, however it was a very painful process getting to this point and I want to make the right decision this time.

Since I there are no stores in my area that carry the 50XR5, I am buying it on risk and I thought if someone could send me a picture of the AVIA Horizontal Grayscale Ramp it would ease my mind. I guess since you guys have looked at the pattern and you say it is smooth, it sounds like banding is not an issue on the NEC. Thanks for at least checking it out.

I have also been waiting to see if there is a plasma announced at CES that would top the NEC. Sounds like there is not much new in 50" plasmas. Panasonic announced the 50PX600 which basically has some cosmetic changes and 1 more HDMI connection. Also I have no interest in getting a 50" 1080P plasma as I don't plan to sit 6 feet in front of it in order to resolve 1080 lines of resolution. So at this point the NEC is still the top contender.
post #229 of 4647
now that I have seen some pictures, I must say, purely aesthetically, I prefer the XM2/3... look.
The frame around the panel just seems so big ! On the XM2 and similar models, I love the minimalistic hedge .....
post #230 of 4647
Okay, mhfnet, I know you REALLY wanted these. I had taken them before, but just wasn't that happy with them as they don't look exactly like what I am seeing, but a pretty good indication. The camera seemed to add some extra effect that is weird (mostly noticable in the second one), but I know you were dying for these so here they are. This is with an old toshiba with component cables and 480i.



post #231 of 4647
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Originally Posted by tony17 View Post

Okay, mhfnet, I know you REALLY wanted these. I had taken them before, but just wasn't that happy with them as they don't look exactly like what I am seeing, but a pretty good indication. The camera seemed to add some extra effect that is weird (mostly noticable in the second one), but I know you were dying for these so here they are. This is with an old toshiba with component cables and 480i.




Thanks, Tony!

I focused on the first one as your are right that the second one has some moire effects due to the camera. It does look like there is some vertical bands especially on the dark end of the pattern which eye is most sensitive to. Many people complain about "clayface" effects on peoples faces in dark scenes and this is why.

Was this before you applied the video adjustments provided by cpcat? If so did it improve afterwards? It sounds like from cpcat comments, that his adjustments really did improved the gray scale smoothness and color variation on his plamsa.

Also on the picture you took of singer above, several people commented about the "clayface" (also called banding, posterization or false contouring) they saw on her face. Is this the same in the full resolution picture or is it a artifact of resizing the picture? Is it possible to post the full resolution picture or email it to me?
post #232 of 4647
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Originally Posted by tony17 View Post

Okay, thanks to calim who was kind enough to resize and host these for me, below are a couple picks of the game the other night. I was a little hesitant to post these because this was before I had done any picture setting tweaks and the picture quality has definitely improved since these. Nonetheless, they do show some of the potential this panel is capable of.

Great photos! But Tony, what is the feed? Are you using satellite or cable, SD or HD? I would really like to know, because it would enable me to compare your PQ to mine.
post #233 of 4647
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Originally Posted by mhfnet View Post

Thanks, Tony!

It sounds like from cpcat comments, that his adjustments really did improved the gray scale smoothness and color variation on his plamsa.

I have continued to work on this. I've used both horizontal and vertical grey ramps and found settings which make both fairly smooth ( much better than defaults). The settings I posted earlier produced banding in the vertical ramp. I still can't get the vertical ramp to look perfectly smooth, but almost.

Here are my latest settings. I set two picture memories up for comparison to the prior settings and I definitely like this one better with actual programming. This is via HDMI with HDMI set to high in setup menu. I made bias adjustments this time as it seemed to help smooth the vertical ramp. The color saturation can be set to taste. I prefer it slightly undersaturated. It doesn't seem to effect the grey ramps much at least +/- 5 from the default of 32.

Contrast 48
Brt 36
Color 28
Tint 31
Theater 1
Gamma 2.2
Pedestal 0
Low tone auto
Mid-low temp
*GR46
*GG34
*GB36
*BR39
*BG30
*BB30

Edit 1/10: I've gone back to default color temperature setting at "mid". In spite of the fact that the AVIA grey ramp doesn't look quite as smooth, it provides much more accurate colors. I was back to "wow" again last night with CSI Miami.

Also, "low tone" set to 1 at first seemed to improve the blacks a little, but it's stealing too much shadow detail. Went back to "auto".

I guess I'll stick to my day job afterall.

I'll leave grey scale adjustment to someone who knows what they're doing.
post #234 of 4647
There a NEC 50xr5 on my porch!
Finally took delivery today after being on the waiting list for 3 weeks. Just peeked in the box to make sure the screen was OK The only problem is the table stand is another 3 days out.
Just about ordered the Panny until I dug into this forum a little deeper. I want to thank all the contributors to this thread for their expertise. I will continue to monitor and add what I can. This is my first HD experience so I am still climbing the learning curve. Thanks again!
post #235 of 4647
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There a NEC 50xr5 on my porch!
Finally took delivery today after being on the waiting list for 3 weeks. Just peeked in the box to make sure the screen was OK The only problem is the table stand is another 3 days out.
Just about ordered the Panny until I dug into this forum a little deeper. I want to thank all the contributors to this thread for their expertise. I will continue to monitor and add what I can. This is my first HD experience so I am still climbing the learning curve. Thanks again!

Congratulations !!
Dining chairs came to my rescue. My XR5 is resting on 3 chairs in my bedroom .
I promise ,you will not regret your decision about Panasonic .
post #236 of 4647
Hey you guys.... Very new here and I am impressed with all the info.. Perhaps you can help me with a decision. I have a brandy new Panny th-42px50u in a box in my basement. I got it so cheep through a friend that buying it was a no brainer. I have not opened it because although it is a great plasma I have been told that I should sell it and buy a NEC 42xr4a. I also have the opportunity to trade it for a Panny 500u. I don't need a tuner or speakers so its all about the picture quality and inputs. AHAHAHAH...What to do???
post #237 of 4647
Watched Star Wars 3 , to nite .
No macroblocking with my OPPO. I think this was the best stress test .
Picture Quality is outstanding just with Default Settings .No Clayface issues.
Very happy so far.
I have no issues with blacks either . They seem to be great .
post #238 of 4647
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Hey you guys.... Very new here and I am impressed with all the info.. Perhaps you can help me with a decision. I have a brandy new Panny th-42px50u in a box in my basement. I got it so cheep through a friend that buying it was a no brainer. I have not opened it because although it is a great plasma I have been told that I should sell it and buy a NEC 42xr4a. I also have the opportunity to trade it for a Panny 500u. I don't need a tuner or speakers so its all about the picture quality and inputs. AHAHAHAH...What to do???

I have both the 50XR5 and TH-50PX50U. The NEC is the better plasma IMO. Better processing (clearer, especially noticeable with sports) as well as better colors and I'm beginning to think even better blacks/shadow detail. It's a winner from the standpoint of inputs hands-down (2 HDMI, 2 component, VGA, s-video, composite). It's infinitely adjustable through the user menu and supports native rate. The 3 year warranty's nice as well.

It's likely the comparison is similar for the 42 inch models, but I couldn't say for sure.
post #239 of 4647
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Originally Posted by Big Mac View Post

I have no issues with blacks either . They seem to be great .

My blacks and shadow detail performance just seem to get better and better. The PQ on Ghost Whisperer tonight was stellar. The very last scene when JLH was saying goodbye to the guy on the street, the black jackets they were wearing as well as JLH's hair looked blacker than I ever remember seeing on my Panny.

JLH + NEC 50XR5 =
post #240 of 4647
Thank you cpcat. Read your other posts and was hoping you would get back to me. That clinches it! NEC is on its way!!
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