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post #421 of 4647
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Originally Posted by fifteenkey View Post

So I pulled the trigger on the 42XR4 today with Chris from ClevelandPlasma. Nice guy and he was very helpful. Given what I've read about the superior scaler in the NEC plasmas, is there a particular DVD player that would work best? I purchased an LG LDA-511 because it upconverts. What are the pros and cons of sending 480, 720 or 1080i to the panel? I know my eyes will tell me, but I'm just looking for opinions on this combination. Thanks.

480i via HDMI/DVI would be best (in theory) and allow the panel to do the rest.
Following that, I'd feed 480p.
post #422 of 4647
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Originally Posted by Rod W View Post

I have the Pio 5060. Received it the week before Christmas. I had actually ordered an xr5, but got tired of waiting. I haven't seen the xr5, but now that I 've spent some time with the Pio, I'm really, really happy with it. One of the reasons I got it over the Pannys or other models out there was because I wanted very good scaling/interlacing on SD material. It definitely delivers in this area, so those of you getting the xr5 based on its "superior scaling", I'd just like to say that I don't know how much better it can get. DVDs (basic Sony progressive DVD Player, not an "upscaling" model) look absolutely gorgeous. I don't know how much better HD DVD will be, but I'm rediscovering movie watching now. Standard def stuff on DishNetwork looks very good, although since I have the HD channels that's where I'm spending most of my time. My 3 or 4 months of research led me to the NECs and there are many things about the xr5 that appealed to mem, especially the all the adjustable settings. I would also like to hear any comparisons from people who have seen both, but let me tell you, the 5060 is a killer panel. The 5060 DOES have two HDMIs (on the back of the Media Receiver) and two component ins, if you count the one on the front of the MR.

Rod W.

I think you are right about the 5060 and 50XR5, they are two of the best plasmas available. I found they are about the same price when you include the stand for the 50XR5. Featurewise, the pros for me on the 5060 are the media receiver (to keep the cabling neat and accessible), IEEE488, and the tuner/speakers for possible future stand alone/wall mount use. On the 50XR5, it is the high quality swivel stand (although I wish is swivels more than 10 degrees), 3 year warranty, advanced adjustments and the looks, because I prefer the matte over the gloss black bezel of the Pioneer. However I believe it is going to come down to the picture quality including accurate grayscale, black level/detail, color accuracy, brightness, picture noise, SD quality and scaling.

I already tested the 5060 at a dealer with my AVIA disk, HQV Benchmark and a couple of my favorite reference DVD's and it passed with flying colors except a couple of issues. One is picture noise and the other is that green is off. It has a lot of dither noise, which kind of bothers me, but is seems tolerable at viewing distances over 8 feet. Also the green is more blue green. Other people also say it has an issue with judder, but I was not able to confirm it. But in all other respects, this is one awesome plasma.

I finally found a dealer that has a 50XR5 on display and although I can't see it side by side with the 5060, I plan to run it through the same paces as I did the 5060. This will probably not happen for another week but I will report back on what I find.

Something tells me this could end up being one hard decision
post #423 of 4647
I second the lime green observation . I thought i was the only one with that observation . Sometimes the colors on the pioneer appear to be more synthetic than original . No doubt the sharpness of the picture is unbeatable . I am happy with my decision of NEC.
post #424 of 4647
isn't it a pretty big deal that these displays can accept 1080p?

then owners of this display are set when 1080p HD-DVD players finally come out, right?
post #425 of 4647
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Originally Posted by oysterhead View Post

isn't it a pretty big deal that these displays can accept 1080p?

then owners of this display are set when 1080p HD-DVD players finally come out, right?

Well... It's nice, but 1080 (60p) is only accepted via analog (component and vga) and not via HDMI.

I'm not sure if it will be much of an advantage, especially considering the high quality deinterlacing inside the display (which may be better than what's in the BD/HD-DVD player). BD/HD-DVD will be native 1080/24p. It will be available ouput at 720p, 1080i, 1080 (24p) and 1080 (60p). It will probably look just as good output as 1080i or 1080 (24p). I'll wager 1080 (24p) is accepted via the HDMI input on the NEC but this is yet to be seen.
post #426 of 4647
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Originally Posted by lmarkoff View Post

Regardless of that and more importantly, do your observations indicate that shutting off that function ALSO improves the performance of the NEC when it is driven straight from a source via HDMI (minus the Lumgen)? Would it make any difference what source was used, e.g., DVD vs STB? (If so, one has to wonder why the factory used a default setting that actually compromises performance most of the time.)


OK, I had a chance to check this. I have a bypass mode set in memory on my external scaler. Feeding the NEC 1080i, I couldn't see any difference when toggling the "Limit PC" function on/off in the SM. In addition, there's another function "Limit VD" which is default at *off* and can't be changed. Based on this, I don't think there's any contrast/brightness limiting applied to inputs which are ATSC video resolution. So basically, don't worry about it unless you are feeding the panel a non-ATSC resolution.
post #427 of 4647
does the NEC have HMDI 1.1 or HDMI 1.2?
post #428 of 4647
Well you guys convinced me. I just got off the phone ordering a 50XR5 from Cleveland Plasma.
post #429 of 4647
For those interested in how SD looks on a 42XR4, I watched two reruns of SVU last night in SD and used Stadium to stretch the picture. The picture quality was quite good and using Stadium did not distort the picture at all.
post #430 of 4647
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Originally Posted by PopsicleCan View Post

Well you guys convinced me. I just got off the phone ordering a 50XR5 from Cleveland Plasma.

Chris, if you are still monitoring. Is Cleaveland Plasma an authorized NEC dealer? I am thinking mostly about the warranty, not the quality of your customer service (which, according to the posts here, is quite good).
post #431 of 4647
Viventis, yes, he is. Check out (and click) the NEC authorized dealer logo at the bottom of his website.
post #432 of 4647
I would not say I monitor, I participate. The information above is correct.
post #433 of 4647
Chris .
How do i register my panel with NEC ?
post #434 of 4647
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Originally Posted by PopsicleCan View Post

Well you guys convinced me. I just got off the phone ordering a 50XR5 from Cleveland Plasma.

I think, it was a smart decision . You won't regret it .
post #435 of 4647
Register your NEC HERE

Also, anyone who wants to take a chance don't forget to register to win your Home Theater Makeover with NEC. That would be sweet if a forum member won this.

INFO HERE
post #436 of 4647
Has anybody integrated the 50xr5's remote functions into their Universal Remote Control yet? I've got an RTI T3, but my master .cml file only has the 50xr4, which is missing a couple commands (like DVD/HDMI4). A .cml file with the 50xr5 in it would be much appreciated.
post #437 of 4647
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Originally Posted by Zouyun View Post

Has anybody integrated the 50xr5's remote functions into their Universal Remote Control yet? I've got an RTI T3, but my master .cml file only has the 50xr4, which is missing a couple commands (like DVD/HDMI4). A .cml file with the 50xr5 in it would be much appreciated.


I recently bought the new Logitech 890 remote . I had trouble integrating the xr5 all together . I am still working on getting it fixed . The 890 fails to learn from the XR5 remote via IR .
post #438 of 4647
Big Mac...did you mean the 880? I've not heard of the 890. I have integrated the Harmony 880 pretty well into my system. I just chose the 50xr4 when it gave me the options (I guess the XR5 isn't fully in their system yet). It had everything I needed except the PIP functions. I have off tomorrow and am just going to have it learn those four buttons of the NEC remote quick and then I should be done. Maybe I'll give them a call to see if they can add the xr5 commands into their database too.
post #439 of 4647
The 890 is Harmony's latest remote. It's very similar to the 880.
post #440 of 4647
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Originally Posted by tony17 View Post

Big Mac...did you mean the 880? I've not heard of the 890. I have integrated the Harmony 880 pretty well into my system. I just chose the 50xr4 when it gave me the options (I guess the XR5 isn't fully in their system yet). It had everything I needed except the PIP functions. I have off tomorrow and am just going to have it learn those four buttons of the NEC remote quick and then I should be done. Maybe I'll give them a call to see if they can add the xr5 commands into their database too.

Thanks for the info, Tony. I still haven't taken the time to reprogram my 676. Maybe I'll wait another few days to see if your phone call does any good

So many things to do, so little time! Well, back to trying to get my stubborn 9800pro to sync on an HDMI input

Dave
post #441 of 4647
anyone have or seen the new NEC PX-61XR4A? or is there newer out there? who makes this for them?

andy
post #442 of 4647
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Originally Posted by cpcat View Post

Sorry I didn't see this before.

I got the timings from a post on the Lumagen support forum (UK). Here it is from "Mark":

[i]It turns out that the NEC does take 1365 x 768. See the quote from NEC below. The settings they refer to are (for the 60") HTOT=1526, HACT=1365, HFRN=51, HSYN=50, VTOT=788, VACT=768, VFRN=4, VSYN=4.

...snip...

I subsequently emailed NEC and they confirmed that this also works via HDMI on the new models. That email is posted earlier in this thread.

My pixel clock reads 72078250 if that helps.

Have you double-checked your HDMI/DVI cable? I had one that I used for about a year with sync problems (which I blamed on my DVD/STB) until I replaced the cable and "poof" no more problems.

The next thing I'd do is either email or call NEC tech support for help.
You might also post over at the HTPC forum and see if anyone else might have an idea.

If you get it to work, you'll need to see my post on the Service Menu. Changing "Limit PC" from on to off will likely improve the picture (it did for me).

Thanks for the info!
So, i was POSITIVE my cable would be fine - custom installer installed a quality HDMI cable, right? Well, I dragged the PC upstairs, plugged it in with a standard DVI cable w/ monster HDMI converter and Poof! absolutely perfect sync at 1365x768! Unreal how much time i spent on that...

So, what's the maximum length of an HDMI cable? I think the installed one is about 40 ft. long....

Thanks again,
Jeff
post #443 of 4647
i think my comcast box recommends a max length of 25 ft for HDMI.

not sure what that's based on though.
post #444 of 4647
Can someone measure the vertical dimension of the 42" NEC when mounted on the stand?

Thanks!

Aja1
post #445 of 4647
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Originally Posted by tony17 View Post

Big Mac...did you mean the 880? I've not heard of the 890. I have integrated the Harmony 880 pretty well into my system. I just chose the 50xr4 when it gave me the options (I guess the XR5 isn't fully in their system yet). It had everything I needed except the PIP functions. I have off tomorrow and am just going to have it learn those four buttons of the NEC remote quick and then I should be done. Maybe I'll give them a call to see if they can add the xr5 commands into their database too.


I meant the 890 , which is quite similar to 880 except the IR support and option for more devices .I will change TV commands to XR4.
post #446 of 4647
Aja1, when mounted on the stand, the set is approximately 27 inches high.
post #447 of 4647
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Originally Posted by DCypher View Post

Thanks for the info!
So, i was POSITIVE my cable would be fine - custom installer installed a quality HDMI cable, right? Well, I dragged the PC upstairs, plugged it in with a standard DVI cable w/ monster HDMI converter and Poof! absolutely perfect sync at 1365x768! Unreal how much time i spent on that...

So, what's the maximum length of an HDMI cable? I think the installed one is about 40 ft. long....

Thanks again,
Jeff

That's a pretty long way. I think you can get a converter that will convert the signal and send it over fiber-optic for long runs. You then convert it back at the end of the run. I have no idea how much they cost. There are also DVI boosters for extending the range of the regular DVI cable.

This seems like some pretty good info for you: http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/...opperFiber.php
Also see http://www.dtrovision.com/dlrp001.htm
post #448 of 4647
Super Bowl is going to be good this year. Ordered my NEC 50XR5 with Cleveland Plasma.

Chris says he hasn't been out of stock of the NEC's yet... well this thread is reviewed by a lot of excited people. If that also represents the rest of North America then sheesh I hope NEC doesn't pull a Panny and start going out of stock in the near future.

I just want to say thank you to everybody that's been contributing to this thread... including the skeptics. Many of my props go to cpcat, thanks for the early on abundance of information. I wish I could be a good resource after I get my NEC, but I've read multiple posts that say I shouldn't ever come back to AVS after I get my gear. What up with that??
post #449 of 4647
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Originally Posted by rnotley View Post

What up with that??

Congratulations.

If you wear gloves, mask and a blindfold while you're here the chances of catching upgradeitis are said to be reduced.
post #450 of 4647
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Originally Posted by LisaM View Post

Aja1, when mounted on the stand, the set is approximately 27 inches high.


Thank you Lisa!
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