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RBH 661 SE/R's vs. Klipsch KL-650's???
Anyone with info on these, could you please chime in?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1042264
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

RBH 661 SE/R's vs. Klipsch KL-650's???
Anyone with info on these, could you please chime in?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1042264

I haven't heard these in particular, but I did hear a couple of reference towers lately, including the 83's, and could not get past the harshness of the horns. The 83's are redesigned apparently to be "less bright", but even these were not listenable.

But you're right, you have to listen, and to each his own...
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Review: RBH /JL Audio 7.1 Speaker System

Configuration:
RBH T-1/SE Reference Speakers: Left, Center, Right
RBH 66-SE Dipole Speakers: Side Left & Right
RBH 61-SE Direct Radiating Speakers: Rear Left & Right
JL Audio Fathom 113 Powered Subwoofer (two)
Onkyo TX-NR905 AVR (used as SSP only)
Earthquake Cinenova Grande 7 Seven channel amplifier
Velodyne SMS-1 Subwofer EQ

Samsung 1400 Blu Ray Player
Toshiba HD-XA2 HD-DVD Player
Apple TV
Direct TV HR20-100 HD-DVR

Audyssey MultiEQ enabled


I've now spent a short time with this new configuration, and wanted to post a little more of my experiences. (This current setup replaced an all DefTech configuration - Mythos ST L/R, CLR 2500 Center, BPVX/P side surrounds, and BPVX rear surrounds Subs were one JL Audio Fathom 113 and one Supercube 1)

Setup: My current placement has the primary listening position about 14 feet away from the L/C/R array, with the L/R speakers about 12 feet apart. The T-1SE/R L/R speakers are situated ontop the JL Audio Fathom 113 subs, separated by Auralex SubDude platforms for isolation and cabinet protection. The JL's themselves sit on Aurlex GRAMMA platforms.

The center T-1SE/R sits horizontal in a cabinet, angled slightly up toward the listening position. The 66 and 61 surrounds are mounted about six feet up on the side and rear walls, about 7 to 9 feet from the main listening position.

In short, the system is stunning in many ways, but I'm perhaps most impressed by its dynamics - the system can play sensitive and softly, and can thunder with ease. They deliver music as well as soundtracks with incredible accuracy and neutrality, and, as expected, offer a seamless blend from front to back.

The Status Acoustic drivers used in the reference series produce a refined but never muted high end presentation - to my ears, they offer great clarity without fatigue or brightness. Crisp without silibance; tight without coloration.

In listening to Cloverfield (Blu-Ray), the incredibly complex sound mix is completely enveloping and revealing. Chicago (Blu-Ray) is lush and musical without ever becoming sloppy or unfocused.

The RBH's ARE very revealing, and will exhibit mixing deficiencies and errors more readily than other speakers - this is most noticeable on some DirecTV material, where mis-mixedo or poorly recorded dialog is presented in all its lack of glory. Yet with properly mixed material, dialog is incredibly natural and well blended with the mains.

I'm still doing some experimenting with placement, but if there is one area the Mythos ST's may have a slight edge, its in imaging - as great as the RBH's are, there are times I'm recalling slightly more pinpoint accuracy and broader soundstage with the Mythos. But I also had the ST's out further from the rear wall and toed differently, so I'll withhold my final conclusions on this point until I experiment more. And the difference is extremely small

The Fathoms match fine with the RBH's - right now, I'm crossing at 70 in the front, 80 in the rear.

More later, but wanted to post this for now

Thanks
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Here are a few "final" config shots, with the dual Fathoms in place...






I adjusted the toe-in (reduced), and re-ran Audyssey (which I and others have found notoriously finicky regarding mic position). And the soundstage improved noticeably - an incredible system....
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very nice!
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

very nice!

What I have (very basic RBH setup) is "very nice."

What he has is obscene.

In a very good way... ;-)
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Hi - I haven't been around much lately, but wanted to check in and see if there are any RBH links/info that would be good to add to the first post in this thread.

Let me know - either reply here or send me a PM and I'll update if I get any feedback.

Glad to see that this well hidden brand is still getting some "ear-share" around here. :-D
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Originally Posted by Danabw View Post

Hi - I haven't been around much lately, but wanted to check in and see if there are any RBH links/info that would be good to add to the first post in this thread.

Let me know - either reply here or send me a PM and I'll update if I get any feedback.

Glad to see that this well hidden brand is still getting some "ear-share" around here. :-D

It is a bit of a shame that RBH is so well hidden...I think they need to really shore up their dealer channel, because most authorized dealers have little or no ability to demo product, and the brand itself seems not to be on the top of the dealer's/installers recommend list. I have no idea how successful RBH is, but perhaps dealing with some rep firms will help them get better mindshare. They are phenomenal speakers...
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I went on the Home Theater Cruise a few years ago, and asked many installers and other professionals what speakers they would recommend for "mere mortals" (meaning a complete system for around $5,000). Far and away the majority recommended RBH, and I have not been disappointed with that recommendation.

As mentioned in another review, my RBH speakers seem effortless at all levels, are non-fatiging , and reveal great detail.

Maybe they don't feel a need to expand because they are selling all the speakers they can make. I've been by their shop in Layton, Utah, and it is not a big place (and I mean that as a compliment).
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I just set up an RBH in-wall system, 2 MC-6s for the R/L, MC-616 for the Center, and 4 MC-615Ls for the rears. I have an Outlaw LFM Compact sub with an Onkyo 805 receiver. All of my speakers are on the ceiling (I didn't have the option to prewire on my walls so it was ceiling prewired) but they sound great. Very clear, taut bass, excellent imaging.

I don't turn it up too much because I live in a townhouse but I am very happy with the clarity. Crisp and smooth, probably due to the combination of the speakers and amp. The bass is great too, once I made the crossover 80hz for every speaker. My next goal is to get a 7.1 Blu Ray movie to test out the rears. I've played MGS4, which I think uses 7.1 PCM, but I can't tell if the extra 2 rear speakers are helping any.

All in all, a very satisfied RBH owner
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Originally Posted by dennyslick View Post

I just set up an RBH in-wall system, 2 MC-6s for the R/L, MC-616 for the Center, and 4 MC-615Ls for the rears. I have an Outlaw LFM Compact sub with an Onkyo 805 receiver. All of my speakers are on the ceiling (I didn't have the option to prewire on my walls so it was ceiling prewired) but they sound great. Very clear, taut bass, excellent imaging.

I don't turn it up too much because I live in a townhouse but I am very happy with the clarity. Crisp and smooth, probably due to the combination of the speakers and amp. The bass is great too, once I made the crossover 80hz for every speaker. My next goal is to get a 7.1 Blu Ray movie to test out the rears. I've played MGS4, which I think uses 7.1 PCM, but I can't tell if the extra 2 rear speakers are helping any.

All in all, a very satisfied RBH owner

Twins! (Or close to it.) Very similar setup to mine, though I have the TS-10AP sub, and am 5.1 rather than 7.1.

Nice of you to keep it down...you could really wake up the neighbors if you wanted to... :-)

How did you hear about RBH, and where did you purchase your speakers?
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Originally Posted by Danabw View Post

Twins! (Or close to it.) Very similar setup to mine, though I have the TS-10AP sub, and am 5.1 rather than 7.1.

Nice of you to keep it down...you could really wake up the neighbors if you wanted to... :-)

How did you hear about RBH, and where did you purchase your speakers?

Awesome, nice to know someone shares the same aural experience I get

I actually heard about RBH through this site. There was a link on the main page that led to an In-Wall speaker installation guide. The speakers they used were RBH. I was originally going to use Polk in-walls, but this thread and online reviews convinced me to give RBH a shot.

I purchased my speakers on ebay, slightly used. They arrived in great condition and the price was much cheaper than a local company's quote for a new set. I'm pretty happy with my sub too. I actually was thinking about the TS-10 sub, but it was a little out of my price range.
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Originally Posted by dennyslick View Post

Awesome, nice to know someone shares the same aural experience I get

I actually heard about RBH through this site. There was a link on the main page that led to an In-Wall speaker installation guide. The speakers they used were RBH. I was originally going to use Polk in-walls, but this thread and online reviews convinced me to give RBH a shot.

I purchased my speakers on ebay, slightly used. They arrived in great condition and the price was much cheaper than a local company's quote for a new set. I'm pretty happy with my sub too. I actually was thinking about the TS-10 sub, but it was a little out of my price range.

Sounds like you got a very nice deal...I had a friend pushing Polk on me at one point - since he's heard my RBH setup he has stopped pushing Polk and mostly makes petty, jealous comments when we talk about speaker setups. ;-)

I was watching "Rise" (really excellent documentary on clowning/krumping street dancing activities in Los Angeles) last night, and had the volume cranked up quite a bit...shaking the house to the foundations, but never got muddy or sloppy loud - just stayed clean and clear and sounded sooooo good. :-D
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I've had the opportunity to have the 5 speaker set of TK-5's and the Status Acoustic Decimos in my home for a few weeks. Though the TK-5's have been discontinued, they are quite nice for the entry level RBH system. I picked them up last month when the Audioholics Store was running that special upgrade from the EMP EF30's since RBH ran out of stock on the EF30's. I didn't realy need them but for the price I couldn't refuse. Quite a bit of clean bass in the towers and good highs for a speaker in this price range. The center channel is a good match for the towers. The bookshelf speakers are not the best but still quite nice.

But the Status Acoustic Decimos are another story all together.
They have to be the finest sounding bookshelf speakers available. PERIOD!

I really have a tough time doing any comparisons to other speakers when these are sitting in the same room. They have become my reference set that all other speakers are weighed against and none so far have matched. I can truly now say that I have found the closet thing to perfection in a bookshelf that I've ever heard. In a room with decent acoustics or properly treated the Status Acoustics will disappear in the room. Just close your eyes and enjoy.
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

It is a bit of a shame that RBH is so well hidden...I think they need to really shore up their dealer channel, because most authorized dealers have little or no ability to demo product, and the brand itself seems not to be on the top of the dealer's/installers recommend list. I have no idea how successful RBH is, but perhaps dealing with some rep firms will help them get better mindshare. They are phenomenal speakers...

Glad I dropped back in and checked out the RBH thread. You have a wonderful RBH set up. I have four SI-760's and three 661-SE's. Only running one sub. A sealed 18" with 1,300 watts. Back in 1999 I searched and searched the internet for good in-wall speakers. At that time I could only find two companies that made good in-walls. In-walls that were actual enclosed speakers that you could mount into a wall rather than trying to rely on the wall cavity. Could not find anywhere to demo them. RBH made arrangements for me to go to a guys house and listen to his RBH speakers. It was a five hour round trip. I sure am glad that I made that trip.

When I built my room I designed it as a direct view HT room. A year ago I went the front projector route. I have a screen that drops down in front of my TV. It is a great set up. TV for general viewing and the big screen (106") for movies and sports. I am currently running a Marantz VP-12S4 projector and loving the image. With your set up I would look into adding a front projector and a drop down screen. You would love it. The real kicker is front projection now does not cost any more than large TV's.
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

Glad I dropped back in and checked out the RBH thread. You have a wonderful RBH set up. I have four SI-760's and three 661-SE's. Only running one sub. A sealed 18" with 1,300 watts. Back in 1999 I searched and searched the internet for good in-wall speakers. At that time I could only find two companies that made good in-walls. In-walls that were actual enclosed speakers that you could mount into a wall rather than trying to rely on the wall cavity. Could not find anywhere to demo them. RBH made arrangements for me to go to a guys house and listen to his RBH speakers. It was a five hour round trip. I sure am glad that I made that trip.

When I built my room I designed it as a direct view HT room. A year ago I went the front projector route. I have a screen that drops down in front of my TV. It is a great set up. TV for general viewing and the big screen (106") for movies and sports. I am currently running a Marantz VP-12S4 projector and loving the image. With your set up I would look into adding a front projector and a drop down screen. You would love it. The real kicker is front projection now does not cost any more than large TV's.

Funny you posted this today...UMR (Jeff Meier of Accucal) just left my house an hour ago after calibrating my new Epson Pro Cinema 1080UB with Da-Lite High Power screen. It is stunning - like watching a plasma screen. He also suggested dropping Audyssey and performing a calibration with his audio test equipment using the manual EQ of the Onkyo 905 and my SMS-1, and the overall sound is far superior than with Audyssey. I'm very pleased with the setup after many years of moving equipment in and out. Last upgrade might be a better AVR or separate processor, but there's no rush (and not a lot of options) for that - and the 905 is a quality unit in its own right...
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Funny you posted this today...UMR (Jeff Meier of Accucal) just left my house an hour ago after calibrating my new Epson Pro Cinema 1080UB with Da-Lite High Power screen. It is stunning - like watching a plasma screen. He also suggested dropping Audyssey and performing a calibration with his audio test equipment using the manual EQ of the Onkyo 905 and my SMS-1, and the overall sound is far superior than with Audyssey. I'm very pleased with the setup after many years of moving equipment in and out. Last upgrade might be a better AVR or separate processor, but there's no rush (and not a lot of options) for that - and the 905 is a quality unit in its own right...

Excellent projector and screen choice. Did you get the 120" screen? Right after I posted the above, I clicked on threads that you had started, to see if you were looking at any projectors. I found and read your thread where you were looking at the RS2, VW60 and 1080UB. From reading that thread I thought that you were going to go with the RS2. I will have to say you can't go wrong with any of those three. I also use a DaLite HP screen and an Onko AVR. I have the 805. Your picture is deceptive, your speakers do not look as big as they actually are since your 70" TV is so large. One day I may install SI-6000's in place of my SI-760's.
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Excellent projector and screen choice. Did you get the 120" screen? Right after I posted the above, I clicked on threads that you had started, to see if you were looking at any projectors. I found and read your thread where you were looking at the RS2, VW60 and 1080UB. From reading that thread I thought that you were going to go with the RS2. I will have to say you can't go wrong with any of those three. I also use a DaLite HP screen and an Onko AVR. I have the 805. Your picture is deceptive, your speakers do not look as big as they actually are since your 70" TV is so large. One day I may install SI-6000's in place of my SI-760's.

I got the 110, but am exchanging it for the 119 tomorrow...Da-Lite and my dealer came through for me on this....

Both Jeff Meier and another well respected ISF calibrator recommended the Epson because its' baseline perfomance is very good, and it's the only one of the three that has built in primary and secondary color adjustments. The others would have required some type of external CMS, like the Lumagen HDP.

This set up is stunning...
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

Funny you posted this today...UMR (Jeff Meier of Accucal) just left my house an hour ago after calibrating my new Epson Pro Cinema 1080UB with Da-Lite High Power screen. It is stunning - like watching a plasma screen. He also suggested dropping Audyssey and performing a calibration with his audio test equipment using the manual EQ of the Onkyo 905 and my SMS-1, and the overall sound is far superior than with Audyssey. I'm very pleased with the setup after many years of moving equipment in and out. Last upgrade might be a better AVR or separate processor, but there's no rush (and not a lot of options) for that - and the 905 is a quality unit in its own right...

Thanks for your calibration report. I've included it in the "All Other Displays" list that is linked at the bottom of my post.
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I currently own Paradigm Sig 4, Sig 3 center, & Studio adp 590's I am considering RBH. The system I would most likely use would be 3 661 SER's for LCR's, 4 66SE's for surround & back chanels. Has anyone compared these to the Paradigm Signature product, if so I am welcome to opinions.

Do you see an advantage in going with 1266 SER's since I already own a sub?

Room demensions 26x16x8 (LWH)

Associated equipment: Sehrbourne 200x7 amp, Pioner Elite 94 (as Processor only), Velodyne DD15, Pioneer Blu-Ray, Toshiba XA-2 HD-DVD, Pioneer Kuro 60 Plasma 6080 (I think)

Thank you
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I have the 1266 SER's, and I've experimented with Room EQ Wizard and connecting and disconnecting the woofers on the 1266 (they can be bi-amped) to see what results in the smoothest crossover, and for my set-up, the woofers in the 1266 provide a smoother transition.

I also think the woofers provide a fuller sound when I just listed to music in stereo.
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Watched Ironman a few days ago on my panny 58"800u hooked through a yamaha rxv663 pushing rbh ct 5.1 with the dual 8" sub. HolymackrelAndy! I had it set a little louder than normal and when that 1st explosion went off my wife screamed(under my breath I said "ho-sh**" ) and we both came off our seats! No kidding, it was that surprisingly realistic. When he's showing the army brass his new missle the explosions go off behind him and my wife says "I feel air moving!". Now, she's about 10' from the sub, which I have 1 port pointing into the room and at where she sits. I tell her that's what subs do...move air. Yesterday we watch most of disc 2 and she says we need to see the movie again. I know it's partly the plasma that brings it to life but the speakers are amazing! Not overly bright but you can here little pieces of metal bounce around on the floor after explosions, voices are clear, mids and basses will move your intestines if you crank it a bit but also produce the punch needed for you to know what a rocket must feel like hitting close by.

For you people so blessed to afford systems thousands more you should give thanks. I can only dream what the above system must sound like. But, I can tell you this, for what's in my family room, I am set for quite a long time. My bride has never commented about sound before and has never been affected by a sub before. Her scream said it all.

I'll get to music soon. Play cd's and bd through a panny bd30.

I'll post pics later. Off to bed....
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Mike,

I also agree with Kevin, I experimented with my 1266's quite a bit and found the smoothest transition and best sound with the 1266 was just as they came from RBH and a sub. I'd recommend the 1266 over the 661, especially if you like to listen to 2 ch I was amazed at the bass reproduction at low listening levels. These are a great speaker.
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Welcome to the club engineear.

Please keep us posted on all of your testing.
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Watched Ironman a few days ago on my panny 58"800u hooked through a yamaha rxv663 pushing rbh ct 5.1 with the dual 8" sub. HolymackrelAndy! I had it set a little louder than normal and when that 1st explosion went off my wife screamed(under my breath I said "ho-sh**" ) and we both came off our seats! No kidding, it was that surprisingly realistic. When he's showing the army brass his new missle the explosions go off behind him and my wife says "I feel air moving!". Now, she's about 10' from the sub, which I have 1 port pointing into the room and at where she sits. I tell her that's what subs do...move air. Yesterday we watch most of disc 2 and she says we need to see the movie again. I know it's partly the plasma that brings it to life but the speakers are amazing! Not overly bright but you can here little pieces of metal bounce around on the floor after explosions, voices are clear, mids and basses will move your intestines if you crank it a bit but also produce the punch needed for you to know what a rocket must feel like hitting close by.

For you people so blessed to afford systems thousands more you should give thanks. I can only dream what the above system must sound like. But, I can tell you this, for what's in my family room, I am set for quite a long time. My bride has never commented about sound before and has never been affected by a sub before. Her scream said it all.

I'll get to music soon. Play cd's and bd through a panny bd30.

I'll post pics later. Off to bed....

I have the CT Max series with the Dual 10" and I love that setup. System sounds great with my Denon 3808 and the speakers have the whole WAF thing going for them too. Hell the Mrs. doesn't even mind the Bass that the sub puts out. So far I have not shook anything off of the walls either. I'll be enjoying this setup for some years.

EDIT:
If you thought Iron man sounded good on the Bass check out Hell Boy. That movie has some bass in it!
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I am adding a second HT room in my house. This will be a small (13'-4" x 11'-4") private room just for the wife and I. Since the room is so small I am installing 5 RBH WM30's. I will treat (bass traps and wall panels) this room. Picked up a Planar PD7130 for the projector and will pair it with a 106" 16:9 or 72" x 96" Dalite HP screen. If I go with the larger screen I will rig up a masking system for 2.35 and 2.40. The speakers should arrive this week. Can't wait to get started.
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Just a note that I recently paired my RBH 1266-SE/R with the Emotiva EXP-3 (300 watts into 3 channels at 4 ohms), and it is a beautiful thing.

My favorite aspect of RBH speakers is how effortlessly they reproduce the most demanding and dynamic soundtracks, while retaining a great deal of subtlety.
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I've decided to go with direct radiating 61-SE's for my sides, and will be putting up my 66-SE dipoles up for sale soon - if anyone's interested, PM - basic black, few months old, perfect working and cosmetic condition.
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Hi there.

I just purchased a bunch of in-wall a-6XX series RBH speakers off EBAY for my home theater setup. It was a very good deal =)

My question is about receivers. I cannot really test my speakers with receivers in a show room as nobody has RBH speakers in-wall for display.

I have narrowed it down to the following:

Denon 1909 (Dynamic volume sounds nice!)
Onkyo 1805 (I have an Onkyo early model, no HDMI) and its great!)
Pioneer VSX-1018AH-K (I have always loved their sound)

I do not have pre/post amp, so the receiver will have do for now.

Some speakers I know just match better with certain brands. Does anyone have any firsthand experience with any of these?

Much obliged! JB
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