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post #121 of 6699
Probably just a bad batch, but who knows. Mirage did recently move from manufacturing in Canada to China and I'd imagine build quality may be hurt somewhat. Having said that, many speaker manufacturers have their speakers built in China and the product quality is great.
post #122 of 6699
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Originally Posted by cdnscg View Post

I bought a pair of Omnisat V2 FS speakers just over one month ago. The first issue was the grills did not fit. After many excuses from my local dealer, I was finally told they had the replacements, but they were the wrong color. I'm waiting now for the correct silver replacements.

The bigger issue is yesterday when looking under the top removable cap of the speaker, I noticed the round bubble of the tweeter had collapsed. I use these speakers for movie watching only. Is this a common problem, and what may have caused it? I plan to take it back to the dealer, but I'm wondering if I've made a big wrong decision when choosing Mirage.

I am assuming that by "round bubble" you are referring to the titanium dome element of the tweeter itself and not the Omniguide mount. Either way, though, that is not a common problem at all. I have sold every Omni product since their inception and never had that happen. Haven't had any issues since the build moved overseas either. Take it back to the dealer, and they should help you out. However, it needs to be noted that since the Klipsch purchase of API, and API moving some of their parts and service facilities to IN, there may be a slight delay in getting factory support on this matter. That may also be the reason for the mistake in grill color. Being in Canada, maybe there is not the same service and support issues we are having here in the States. Hopefully you can get this straightened out in a timely manner.
post #123 of 6699
tweeter collapsed? as if it were pressed in? thats odd.

Ive had the original omni series for the last 5 years with no such problems, aside from the grill posts being cheap

but the orginal speakers were assembled in Canada, however Mirage has been using parts made in China, long before the api switch. Not uncommon, IMO.

the collapsed tweeter however is uncommon. maybe the tweeter's blown? and its collapse is an adverse effect of a blown tweeter.
post #124 of 6699
Many thanks all for the prompt responses. I will be taking the speaker back, and let you know of the out come. At least now I feel a little more comfortable that it is not a common issue with Mirage speakers, and most likely a not something I caused.
And yes, it is the titanium dome element.
post #125 of 6699
The collapsed tweeter dome is a common issue that one finds with speakers that have been demo's in stores for awhile. Everyone seems to want to take the grill off and touch the dome, which is very fragile and dimples easily.

You can take a pencil eraser and stick some double sided tape to the end and pull the dimple out. However, the tweeter will likely never operate at its peak sound/performance ever again after being pushed in and then pulled back out.
post #126 of 6699
These speakers were not the floor models, but I understand what you mean. As for a dimple, the dome (which is the size of a silver dollar) looks now as if some one squeezed the top with their four fingers. This is unlikely, since there is another part right above the dome.
post #127 of 6699
maybe it was a condensation issue?
i.e. the speakers may have been stored in a really hot area, and when moved to a colder area, the tweeters malfformed?
post #128 of 6699
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Originally Posted by TDI Driver View Post

... On the other hand, the new Omni Series sounds great. Have the 550, 150 and C150 on display and they've been getting favorable listener response. The 550's in my opionion are definitely better than the original Omni-260 towers in terms of dynamics. At $200 less a pair, the 550's are a great value.

These speakers don't seem to be getting discussed much, maybe because they're in that trap in the middle ... not exactly budget but not higher end.

The Omni 150s seem like an interesting extension of the omnipolar satellites, lots of people have said they wished the Omnisats had more oomph and this should give it to them with the 5.5" driver. The omnipolar idea really is useful for rooms or seating that aren't dedicated HT with the fixed dimensions that implies. (Who is their competition / alternative for this?)

Maybe it's the cosmetics, as mentioned above. The black ash finish is on everything these days, and at least in the photos looks like an Ikea product.

Too bad, because with the same drivers as the 350, the 150 would seem like a nice option at $280 a pair, they're half the Omnisat V2's price.
post #129 of 6699
How do the omni 550 speakers compare to the Omnisat v2 FS?
post #130 of 6699
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Originally Posted by RobDMB View Post

How do the omni 550 speakers compare to the Omnisat v2 FS?

Not even in the same ball park, omni 550s are much superior than the omni sats v2 floorstanders by a very large margin.
post #131 of 6699
Does anybody here have the OMD-C1? I bought one for my theater (along with the OMD-15 left and right), and I'm looking for some tips on setting it up effectively.

I'm finding the sound really unsatisfactory. It's very mid-heavy and most of the dialog sounds like the actors are speaking with their hands cupped around their mouths.

Meanwhile, the OMD-15 sounds very good, if a bit light on bass.
post #132 of 6699
So the omni 550 are much superior even though they are less expensive? How about the surround and center chanel for the omni speakers. How do they compare to the omnisat v2?
post #133 of 6699
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Originally Posted by RobDMB View Post

So the omni 550 are much superior even though they are less expensive? How about the surround and center chanel for the omni speakers. How do they compare to the omnisat v2?

I'll second the Omni-550's being better than the OmniSat v2-FS - dynamic range ability being the biggest difference. The OmniSat v2-FS, while having decent usable bottom end in smaller rooms, really can't compare to the 550's in terms of overall frequency response and output capabilities. This is especially important, in my opinion, when using the speakers for music listening or when setting up the system in a larger room. The OmniSat v2-FS is a really good speaker for what it is though - a form/function, slim-line floorstanding speaker that, thanks to the omniguide, presents a much larger stage than similar speakers. If size is a major concern, or if these speakers are for a smaller room, the v2-FS would be a nice choice. If the room is bigger, added dynamics are preferred, and space requirements aren't an issue than the 550's are a much better option.

As for the center channels for each of these, I also think the Omni-C150 is a better value than the OmniSat v2-CC. The Omni-C150 has better overall clarity and range ability than the smaller v2-CC. The upgrade in clarity mainly due to being a direct radiating design rather than omni reflecting the tweeter and mid. In a system using the Omni-550's and a v2-CC, the v2 really can't keep up with the output of the 550's during dynamic HT scenes. Again, don't get me wrong, the v2-CC is a very good performer, but it really is designed to mate with their smaller speaker designs - OmniSat v2 and v2-FS.

Hope this helps
post #134 of 6699
one should also take notice that the 550s are rather large speakers, IMO I think there is such little info online about these speakers because the last few mirage line speakers have left a sour taste in many peoples mouths.

and considering that Mirage this year plans to release the new omni lines to very few dealers as a test to see if it respurs interest, I doubt many people will be posting anything on these speakers.

Maybe I should post a review of the speakers?


these speakers are definately a bargain for the price point imo, however my only complaint is the build quality of these speakers are much less quality that the original mirage line. Sonically IMO they perform very admirably for the prospective pricepoints.
post #135 of 6699
Hi everyone, I'm looking into changing my old ancient stereo system, into a newer surround system to watch movies. I currently have the M1's, but I really don't know enough about surround sound speakers to find a matching set of satellites, sub, and center channel. Should I give up leave the M1's as a standalone stereo and buy brand new set or is there a way to integrate them? Either answer let me know with your suggestions, but I do have a soft 2k cap on spending for new speakers. I personally love my M1's, unfortunately I don't have the cash flow to listen like my dad and uncles who use to hook them up to old mcintosh 75's.
post #136 of 6699
Speaking as one who has a set of M1s (original, not the -si), it's a bit difficult to find a speaker that can match their performance for a reasonable budget.

I'm actually in the process of buying all new speakers for the theater, and have been through several sets of speakers so far that just do not satisfy the way the M1s do. I have high hopes for Aerial Acoustics, but they're a big jump in price.

I'm currently auditioning the OMD-15s from Mirage. They're a nice-sounding speaker, but they can't match the visceral bass of the M1.
post #137 of 6699
I'm likely buying a pair of Omnisat V2 FS's, the CC to go with it, and the Omni S8 Sub later on.
post #138 of 6699
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Originally Posted by Lemon0309 View Post

Hi everyone, I'm looking into changing my old ancient stereo system, into a newer surround system to watch movies. I currently have the M1's, but I really don't know enough about surround sound speakers to find a matching set of satellites, sub, and center channel. Should I give up leave the M1's as a standalone stereo and buy brand new set or is there a way to integrate them? Either answer let me know with your suggestions, but I do have a soft 2k cap on spending for new speakers. I personally love my M1's, unfortunately I don't have the cash flow to listen like my dad and uncles who use to hook them up to old mcintosh 75's.

Maybe it's that they sound better, maybe it's just what we're used to ... but I've found it very hard to give up great old speakers. And there's something about a classic speaker. Now I only do it if I don't have another choice - space, or damage.

If I were you, I'd try to match a center and see how that worked. In theory you'd find one with the same drivers, but that's not exactly going to work here. Maybe an MC-si. See if you can find some other Ms for the back? Not sure about the match, but you can still find an OM-C2 ($250-300, nice but needs breathing room around it) or OM-C3 ($150-$180) center and see if it matches close enough for you. You can regularly find a pair of the OM-R2 surrounds for $250-300 on ebay. There's a new in box pair on there now.

To me it would be worth trying it - if it doesn't work you're only out the time and the shipping, because you can resell the other stuff for about what you paid - but that might not be for everyone.

You can look up the M1s and try to find matching speakers at the classic Mirage Products page - old site - there's a similar page on the new site too
post #139 of 6699
I have an MC-si and never felt that it was a particularly good match to the M1.

I'd be interested, actually, to hear if anybody else here has the MC-si. I set it up to try it with the OMDs, and I felt that it sounded better than the OMD-C1 in some ways, but the tweeter's lateral dispersion was extremely narrow, so that only the person in the sweet spot got great sound.
post #140 of 6699
I'm willing to tradeoff some match on the center to keep the mains I really like. But a very personal choice.

It might or might not help, but if you did decide you wanted to try to find a matching center, you could try asking Martin at Mirage by posting here. Sometimes he'll have a useful suggestion:

http://www.miragespeakers.com/v2/forum.php
post #141 of 6699
Well since some people think it may be possible to match the M1's its worth a try When I get a chance I think there is a dealer in mirage by me that may carry some center channels so I will talk to them maybe they know of something good. It seems like a general consensus that the satellites don't have to match perfectly with the front, is that true?
post #142 of 6699
The best way to match the M1 is to buy a single M1. Anybody have a set of M1's they want to break up?
post #143 of 6699
Hah. Sure. Then try to figure out how to get an M1 anywhere above or below a screen. That'd be fun. Maybe behind a perf'd screen...
post #144 of 6699
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Originally Posted by JustMike View Post

Hah. Sure. Then try to figure out how to get an M1 anywhere above or below a screen. That'd be fun. Maybe behind a perf'd screen...

Exactly, that's why I thought it was funny when I posted it. But you are right...a perf'ed screen could make it possible. Wow, that'd be some system.
post #145 of 6699
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Probably just a bad batch, but who knows. Mirage did recently move from manufacturing in Canada to China and I'd imagine build quality may be hurt somewhat. Having said that, many speaker manufacturers have their speakers built in China and the product quality is great.

The Chinese can make great products or poor ones, it depends on how much you'll pay and how tolerant of delays you can afford to be to hold them to spec, but most manufacturers are moving there to lower costs and as one manufacturer starts to cut even more corners to save money by moving to China, so will their competitor by going there and sourcing from the Cheaper-oem-ason factory down in Lohbahl Province.
post #146 of 6699
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Originally Posted by warpdrive View Post

The best way to match the M1 is to buy a single M1. Anybody have a set of M1's they want to break up?

That sounds like blasphomy, but then again, I bet someone is willing to break up a pair to just try. Wow 3 M1's standing in front of you, its like you're being judged by a tribunal. Too scary to think about that. I posted on the mirage forums, I'll let everyone know if I get a decent response.
post #147 of 6699
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Originally Posted by bliss53 View Post

I just got a BPS-400 from a friend who upgraded. Any hints or tweeks? I have PSB 4t for front and rear and a PSB 9C. They are driven by a Onkyo SR674.

I got a BPS-400 also....just make sure you wait for the green light to turn red before unpluging it or turning off your receiver. And use the "LFX" input and adjust using the receiver. I am using PSB's 5t 2b and 9c along with yamaha 2500 receiver.


Great Sub.
post #148 of 6699
Well for those wondering how the search for finding a matching center channel with the M1's, I found a Kef X3 that has the potential match, but I haven't found any good mirage centers. Unfortunately not many people carry mirage for demo in the nj area, anyone have any suggestions?
post #149 of 6699
Hi Lemon,

Give the Aerial CC5 a listen if it's convenient. I can't say how it will do with the M1, but it seems to blend well with the newer Mirage speakers (OMD-15). If the CC5 is too big or too spendy, the CC3b is smaller and more reasonably priced, and still very nice.
post #150 of 6699
Thread Starter 
Well, I pleased to see this Mirage discussion is going strong. It seems to me that there is an indication that the new product lines don't match the sound quality of older OM models. Has anyone (Mirage sales person) had a chance to compare the sound quality of OMD and OM speakers? Although the OMDs look more stylish, does the sound quality justify the hefty prices that OMD speakers carry?
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