AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Speakers › Mirage Speakers
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Mirage Speakers - Page 201

post #6001 of 6500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

Monkubro I still have my mirages,I might keep them til weds and do a comparison against the def tech 8060ST's.. I don't think the mirages can stand up to the def techs tho.. Also,that C1 doesn't have a big enough sound. Even my old big infinity had a lot bigger sound. Going from that to the C1 made me cringe.. I just can't believe what the cost was initially on these Mirages.. No way they were worth that!

I think for center channel duty in an HT environment the C1 is a great center. Dialog is very crisp and clean. But you are right, it is not a "big" sounding speaker. Bass is lacking and it obviously requires a sub. The DefTech has a built in sub so I imagine it must sound more powerful. If you don't need a lot of bass, the C1 is excellent and is also very easy to drive.

Good luck with your Def Tech setup and of course, post your impressions!
post #6002 of 6500
Quote:
Originally Posted by monkuboy View Post


I think for center channel duty in an HT environment the C1 is a great center. Dialog is very crisp and clean. But you are right, it is not a "big" sounding speaker. Bass is lacking and it obviously requires a sub. The DefTech has a built in sub so I imagine it must sound more powerful. If you don't need a lot of bass, the C1 is excellent and is also very easy to drive.

Good luck with your Def Tech setup and of course, post your impressions!

Why would you ever want a sub built into a center channel? I'd never want to give up my dedicated large edesigns sub to an inferior built in speaker sub. I don't get it, but admit it does have a 'cool' factor. Just logically doesn't make sense to me.
post #6003 of 6500
I just ordered the def tech surrounds.. Should have everything by thurs or fri. The C1 sounded clear,but very thin. I plugged in the 8060HD and it was like night and day..
post #6004 of 6500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShapS View Post

Why would you ever want a sub built into a center channel? I'd never want to give up my dedicated large edesigns sub to an inferior built in speaker sub. I don't get it, but admit it does have a 'cool' factor. Just logically doesn't make sense to me.

I agree 100%. I have never been a fan of built in subs....they are usually VERY inferior subs and very difficult to place. I always found them way too boomy. A good sub will demolish the built in subs...give a better overall soundstage and is much easier to place. To each their own though.....Def Techs have a good niche of fans and have been around forever.....just never really liked them myself.
post #6005 of 6500
The sub in the center channel isn't used as a dedicated sub.. You guys need to read more. It just makes the low sounds more realistic. There is no booming from it like a sub. You realize there is a dial on the speakers to turn the sub volume up and down. You guys make it sound like its either on full or off.. which is nonsense. Have you even heard them?
post #6006 of 6500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

The sub in the center channel isn't used as a dedicated sub.. You guys need to read more. It just makes the low sounds more realistic. There is no booming from it like a sub. You realize there is a dial on the speakers to turn the sub volume up and down. You guys make it sound like its either on full or off.. which is nonsense. Have you even heard them?

Yep.....heard them....owned a set for a few years....sold them. Gave them another chance a few weeks ago, auditioned them at home...still didn't like them. Always thought they were too boomy....speakers can be boomy powered or un-powered. At any rate....they were good speakers...just not for me. Sorry I don't like the same speakers as you....

.....Remember....it's all just about finding what is right FOR YOU......not anybody else telling you what's right. If you like them and they work for you and your applications then that is great. They didn't for me...and still don't. Not a big deal.....just preference.
post #6007 of 6500
Here are some very unscientific impressions of the C2. I initially connected it to the right channel of my Onkyo 706 AVR, switched the mode to CD analog mono and did about 20 hours of break in time in order to satisfy the dire warnings posted by Mirage in the manual. They actually recommend 100+ hours but I think 20 is plenty. I don't blast my speakers to ear shattering levels anyway. Did I hear a difference between hour 1 and hour 20? Not sure. I didn't have them turned up real loud.

After the 20 or so hours, I unhooked my C1 from the main system and brought it to the living room to compare to the C2. Their stand was the C2 box, so it wasn't the best of speaker stands. The C2 is a lot deeper than the C1; the fronts of the speakers were about 2-2.5 ft from the wall.

The most noticeable difference was in the bass. The C2 has very strong bass and it actually was sort of overpowering. However, it could be that it was placed too close to the wall plus being on a cardboard box wasn't the best thing to have it on. I'd say this would make a good main speaker. Mids and highs were very clear and lifelike. It has a fuller, richer sound than the C1 which it should considering the larger woofers. This informal evaluation was done listening to several well-recorded CD tracks played in mono.

I then put the C2 into the center position in my main room. It was put on top of Auralex Mopads which were on top of a wooden television riser/stand which itself was sitting on an Auralex Subdude (yes I know, pretty crazy but it looks fine). It is sitting out in front of the TV, with the front of the speaker being 4' from the wall.

Since my UMC-1 has no mono mode, I played several well-recorded CD tracks, left channel only. I switched cables between the C2 and the left OMD15 (didn't compare the C1.. it was still in the living room). I also level matched the speakers - the C2 is 3db less efficient. This time the bass was not so strong. I don't know if that is a function of playing only the left channel or because of the dampening effect of using the Auralex products, but the C2 was very well balanced. It reaches pretty low in the bass but everything was in balance - no one characteristic stood out.

Compared to the 15's, the C2 has a better midrange. It is cleaner - the 15 has a little more resonance to voices and the C2 sounds more natural or lifelike, female voices in particular. The highs were comparable. My room is not the best for bass because of the room nodes, but both the 15 and the C2 had good bass with the C2 perhaps tighter. For sure, the bass was not as prominent as when it was hooked up to the Onkyo in the living room. In my main setup, the C2 was connected to an Emotiva XPA-3. The 15's are connected to Emo XPA-1's. My comparison was done with two different Emo amps but I don't think this would make much difference in the sound. I do want to say that I feel the Onkyo AVR is not adequate to drive the 28 properly. It just didn't seem like it had enough power. The Emo amps - no problemo.

I didn't have a whole lot of time yesterday so I want to do more listening. I listened to a couple of scenes from the Kill Bill BD that I like to use to evaluate the 5.1 sound. It sounded great. The C2 is authoritative when it needs to be but it blends very well. When doing the level matching using a Radioshack SPL meter, I could tell it doesn't blend as well as the C1 but it is still a close timbre match - you can tell they are from the same family. Dialog was crisp and clear, pans from one speaker to another were seamless. It has great dynamics.

Overall: I still need to do more listening but as of now the C2 is a keeper. I wouldn't mind having 3 across the front if I could figure out how to make this behemoth fit on the left and right (it is 25" wide). It has very natural, clean and balanced sound with good dynamic range. I especially like the midrange. It's also a gorgeous speaker. Given that I don't think I can fit them on the L/R, I will just have to keep an eye on Vann's to put the 28's on a big sale.

My wife's reaction: "are you going to sell that other one?" I said yes, as long as this new speaker (the C2) sounds good. "Oh, okay, I don't mind if you buy new stuff as long as you sell the old stuff."

I will post more impressions after I have a chance to listen more.. which is a problem since during the week I don't have much time.
post #6008 of 6500
Quote:
Originally Posted by monkuboy View Post

Here are some very unscientific impressions of the C2. I initially connected it to the right channel of my Onkyo 706 AVR, switched the mode to CD analog mono and did about 20 hours of break in time in order to satisfy the dire warnings posted by Mirage in the manual. They actually recommend 100+ hours but I think 20 is plenty. I don't blast my speakers to ear shattering levels anyway. Did I hear a difference between hour 1 and hour 20? Not sure. I didn't have them turned up real loud.

After the 20 or so hours, I unhooked my C1 from the main system and brought it to the living room to compare to the C2. Their stand was the C2 box, so it wasn't the best of speaker stands. The C2 is a lot deeper than the C1; the fronts of the speakers were about 2-2.5 ft from the wall.

The most noticeable difference was in the bass. The C2 has very strong bass and it actually was sort of overpowering. However, it could be that it was placed too close to the wall plus being on a cardboard box wasn't the best thing to have it on. I'd say this would make a good main speaker. Mids and highs were very clear and lifelike. It has a fuller, richer sound than the C1 which it should considering the larger woofers. This informal evaluation was done listening to several well-recorded CD tracks played in mono.

I then put the C2 into the center position in my main room. It was put on top of Auralex Mopads which were on top of a wooden television riser/stand which itself was sitting on an Auralex Subdude (yes I know, pretty crazy but it looks fine). It is sitting out in front of the TV, with the front of the speaker being 4' from the wall.

Since my UMC-1 has no mono mode, I played several well-recorded CD tracks, left channel only. I switched cables between the C2 and the left OMD15 (didn't compare the C1.. it was still in the living room). I also level matched the speakers - the C2 is 3db less efficient. This time the bass was not so strong. I don't know if that is a function of playing only the left channel or because of the dampening effect of using the Auralex products, but the C2 was very well balanced. It reaches pretty low in the bass but everything was in balance - no one characteristic stood out.

Compared to the 15's, the C2 has a better midrange. It is cleaner - the 15 has a little more resonance to voices and the C2 sounds more natural or lifelike, female voices in particular. The highs were comparable. My room is not the best for bass because of the room nodes, but both the 15 and the C2 had good bass with the C2 perhaps tighter. For sure, the bass was not as prominent as when it was hooked up to the Onkyo in the living room. In my main setup, the C2 was connected to an Emotiva XPA-3. The 15's are connected to Emo XPA-1's. My comparison was done with two different Emo amps but I don't think this would make much difference in the sound. I do want to say that I feel the Onkyo AVR is not adequate to drive the 28 properly. It just didn't seem like it had enough power. The Emo amps - no problemo.

I didn't have a whole lot of time yesterday so I want to do more listening. I listened to a couple of scenes from the Kill Bill BD that I like to use to evaluate the 5.1 sound. It sounded great. The C2 is authoritative when it needs to be but it blends very well. When doing the level matching using a Radioshack SPL meter, I could tell it doesn't blend as well as the C1 but it is still a close timbre match - you can tell they are from the same family. Dialog was crisp and clear, pans from one speaker to another were seamless. It has great dynamics.

Overall: I still need to do more listening but as of now the C2 is a keeper. I wouldn't mind having 3 across the front if I could figure out how to make this behemoth fit on the left and right (it is 25" wide). It has very natural, clean and balanced sound with good dynamic range. I especially like the midrange. It's also a gorgeous speaker. Given that I don't think I can fit them on the L/R, I will just have to keep an eye on Vann's to put the 28's on a big sale.

My wife's reaction: "are you going to sell that other one?" I said yes, as long as this new speaker (the C2) sounds good. "Oh, okay, I don't mind if you buy new stuff as long as you sell the old stuff."

I will post more impressions after I have a chance to listen more.. which is a problem since during the week I don't have much time.

Nice little review.
+1
+2 for your wife!
post #6009 of 6500
Quote:
Originally Posted by pretsam View Post

Nice little review.
+1
+2 for your wife!

Thanks. And yes my wife is a keeper too! She indulges my addiction.
post #6010 of 6500
Does anyone own some OMDRs to share their opinion of the speakers?

-Sean
post #6011 of 6500
I noticed last week when I turned audyssey settings to L&R bypass the 15s mid bass was much more 'awake' and punchy. I really liked it, then saw audyssey does not recommend this setting since is disables audyssey setting in the front two.

Anyone else played with L&R bypass with the 15s? I kind of feel audyssey is muting my mid bass too much.
post #6012 of 6500
Nice review monkubrother I got a general question for you guys.. The def techs I'm getting say not to use auddessey because of the subs.. But what if I disconnect the power cables so the subs are off? I would think it would work then right?
post #6013 of 6500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

Nice review monkubrother I got a general question for you guys.. The def techs I'm getting say not to use auddessey because of the subs.. But what if I disconnect the power cables so the subs are off? I would think it would work then right?

Yes but then once you connected the subs again, they would negate the work that Audyssey did because that would change the output of your speakers. Personally I don't use Audyssey. It always made my system sound worse than without using it.
post #6014 of 6500
Some of the guys in the def tech forum said they use it with the subs on and it works fine..I'll try it and see.. Def tech says to set the 8060HD center channel to large..
post #6015 of 6500
Quick question: Are a used pair of Omni 150's worth $90 or even worth picking up at all? If they are I figure I can haggle the guy to about $70 but is it worth my time?
post #6016 of 6500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShapS View Post

I noticed last week when I turned audyssey settings to L&R bypass the 15s mid bass was much more 'awake' and punchy. I really liked it, then saw audyssey does not recommend this setting since is disables audyssey setting in the front two.

Anyone else played with L&R bypass with the 15s? I kind of feel audyssey is muting my mid bass too much.

I use Flat on my OMD 15's with my Denon 3311C1...Sounds better to me,but thats becuse its not using any EQ for the speakers
post #6017 of 6500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

I just ordered the def tech surrounds.. Should have everything by thurs or fri. The C1 sounded clear,but very thin. I plugged in the 8060HD and it was like night and day..

That's was what i was getting when i compared it to the c-2...all i did was to reposition my sub and recalibrate...now my c-1 sounds bigger and louder than the c-2...who would of thunk that the c-2 would tell me i had my subwoofer in the wrong place?

Good to see you went with Def Tech..one of my buddies also runs Def Tecs and they have their own sound...more of a direct approach.... i like the indirect approach as long as you are happy then that is all that matters!
post #6018 of 6500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

Some of the guys in the def tech forum said they use it with the subs on and it works fine..I'll try it and see.. Def tech says to set the 8060HD center channel to large..

If you have a sub par sub then yea the def tec subs would do a better job. Now, if you have an SVS,HSU or Rythmik then i would want any of those subs doing ALL the work since they are dedicated subs and are MUCH better than the Def Tec subs period.
post #6019 of 6500
Dear all

I am bit confused dont know the difference b/w Nanosat 5 and Nanosat prestige, I am Noob to speakers and sounds, but can definetly differentiate b/w Bose and Mirage.

I am looking at an offer for nanosat 5 from wwstereo dot com for 300$ kindly help.

Also if possible do recomend an SUb, I am always on the move so dont like to carry a big woffer or speakers.

Thanks in Advance
Ravi
post #6020 of 6500
Looks Like this question was already posted in this forum


The only difference is on the look and nothing else itseems hard to belive

can anyone throw some more light on this please


Quote:
Originally Posted by ravishankarcp View Post

Dear all

I am bit confused dont know the difference b/w Nanosat 5 and Nanosat prestige, I am Noob to speakers and sounds, but can definetly differentiate b/w Bose and Mirage.

I am looking at an offer for nanosat 5 from wwstereo dot com for 300$ kindly help.

Also if possible do recomend an SUb, I am always on the move so dont like to carry a big woffer or speakers.

Thanks in Advance
Ravi
post #6021 of 6500
Quote:
Originally Posted by matrixj3 View Post

That's was what i was getting when i compared it to the c-2...all i did was to reposition my sub and recalibrate...now my c-1 sounds bigger and louder than the c-2...who would of thunk that the c-2 would tell me i had my subwoofer in the wrong place?

Good to see you went with Def Tech..one of my buddies also runs Def Tecs and they have their own sound...more of a direct approach.... i like the indirect approach as long as you are happy then that is all that matters!

After I started resetting my room up it made me wonder,now with the more open space,should I unbox the Mirages and hook them up? I get the def techs tomorrow.. Should I compare them before I send them back.? What to do what to do.. Also,being that the def tech's are bipolar they aren't 100% direct. I'm really tempted to unbox them and try them out. But that's a lot of work being I have them boxed up ready to ship..
post #6022 of 6500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

After I started resetting my room up it made me wonder,now with the more open space,should I unbox the Mirages and hook them up? I get the def techs tomorrow.. Should I compare them before I send them back.? What to do what to do.. Also,being that the def tech's are bipolar they aren't 100% direct. I'm really tempted to unbox them and try them out. But that's a lot of work being I have them boxed up ready to ship..

I would un-box them and listen to them both. Better to know than not know. Plus you may always wonder........and 'preventable wondering' s*cks!!!
post #6023 of 6500
I know I was thinking the same thing.. grrrr LOL I new someone would come out and tell me that..lol
post #6024 of 6500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

I know I was thinking the same thing.. grrrr LOL I new someone would come out and tell me that..lol

I may have missed this, but what AVR do you have?

If you have a Denon, there is a cool little trick that enables you to do a level matched A/B comparison. I didn't figure it out though - credit for that goes to batpig, one of AVS' Denon gurus.

In any case, I would certainly recommend comparing them directly (the best you can)... at least the mains. Then there is no second guessing which you like better.
post #6025 of 6500
Ditto. While you have both of them there, you owe it to yourself to compare them. If it doesn't affect the amount of your refund (like since you opened the box) then what difference does it make? Otherwise you will always wonder.

My suggestions: make sure you level match when comparing or else the more efficient speaker will have an edge because louder = better in many people's minds. Also, place them in a decent space so that the location doesn't hinder the sound. And please post your impressions!
post #6026 of 6500
I have an Onkyo 805 130 watt.. And your right Monkubro.. The def techs are more efficient.. I have to turn the Mirages up louder..
post #6027 of 6500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

I have an Onkyo 805 130 watt.. And your right Monkubro.. The def techs are more efficient.. I have to turn the Mirages up louder..

Another thing - remember the Def Techs have a built in sub whereas with the Mirage speakers, for HT use they definitely need a sub and I'd say they could benefit from one in music use too.
post #6028 of 6500
I have a downfiring 12" Klipsch sub that sounds awesome..But then again,I've never heard an SVS,Rythmik ect..
post #6029 of 6500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ravishankarcp View Post

Looks Like this question was already posted in this forum


The only difference is on the look and nothing else itseems hard to belive

can anyone throw some more light on this please

And yet it is pretty much true. The differences are largely cosmetic, unless that's worth the price premium for you go with the less expensive ones.
post #6030 of 6500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGoatLantern View Post

Quick question: Are a used pair of Omni 150's worth $90 or even worth picking up at all? If they are I figure I can haggle the guy to about $70 but is it worth my time?

Worth your time to own? Yes, if they seem like what you want. If you plan to resell? No.

More description of the Omni 150 here
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Speakers
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Speakers › Mirage Speakers