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post #6121 of 6689
Its not the type of sound,but the quality. The def techs just sounded fuller and cinematic. My brother heard both also and immediately went for the def techs. Do yourself a favor,don't ever listen to the def tech's,you might have buyers remorse.. lol The C1 did absolutely nothing for me either.. It was ok and that's it. Like I said,most people rave about these Mirages because the price is right now and they are their 1st set of real speakers or never heard quality next to them.. I'm not sayin,I'm just sayin.. Going from say,polk bookshelves to Mirage 15's is no comparision.. That's what just rubs me wrong..
post #6122 of 6689
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Originally Posted by monkuboy View Post

The 28's are probably worth what Vann's is asking for them based on build quality, sound, etc. but no way are they worth $7,500. If they were, that's what Vann's would sell them for.

Don't forget that it is hard to get brand new Mirage speakers (a company six feet under) somewhere else but Vann's.
Back in 2004, I once had the chance to touch but not listen the 28's and the 15's in an expo, in Athens with price tag on them at 8.000 and 3.500 euros for each pair...
still in love with them ever since,but not able financially any more, to try importing a pair from the States.
even at these prices....
post #6123 of 6689
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Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

Its not the type of sound,but the quality. The def techs just sounded fuller and cinematic. My brother heard both also and immediately went for the def techs. Do yourself a favor,don't ever listen to the def tech's,you might have buyers remorse.. lol The C1 did absolutely nothing for me either.. It was ok and that's it. Like I said,most people rave about these Mirages because the price is right now and they are their 1st set of real speakers or never heard quality next to them.. I'm not sayin,I'm just sayin.. Going from say,polk bookshelves to Mirage 15's is no comparision.. That's what just rubs me wrong..

Well everyone has their preferences. People rave about all different brands of speakers and for all different reasons, some of which may have nothing to do with speakers having "accurate" sound. But I feel that is insulting to say that "most people rave about these Mirages because the price is right now and they are their 1st set of real speakers or never heard quality next to them."

The OMD line has gotten very good reviews, which were done before the line was discontinued and the price lowered. These are not my first set of "real" speakers and I feel they are very good. That's just my opinion, though.

Last year I attended the T.H.E. Audio Show in Newport Beach, which had a wide variety of speakers, from the hundreds of dollars to six figures. Some sounded really, really good. I brought some CD's with me that I was familiar with so I could compare across speakers. Granted, some rooms were set up better than others which had an effect on the speakers so it is not the same as having them in your own room, next to your own speakers. However, based on what I heard from the show, and then coming home and immediately listening to the CD tracks on my own speakers, I was not disappointed in the least. You could have put the Mirage speakers at the show and they would have competed very favorably, well over their price range and in absolute terms as well.

We all have our preferences and if someone loves the way their speakers sound, I am not going to denigrate their opinion.
post #6124 of 6689
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Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

Its not the type of sound,but the quality. The def techs just sounded fuller and cinematic. My brother heard both also and immediately went for the def techs. Do yourself a favor,don't ever listen to the def tech's,you might have buyers remorse.. lol The C1 did absolutely nothing for me either.. It was ok and that's it. Like I said,most people rave about these Mirages because the price is right now and they are their 1st set of real speakers or never heard quality next to them.. I'm not sayin,I'm just sayin.. Going from say,polk bookshelves to Mirage 15's is no comparision.. That's what just rubs me wrong..

You know, you've been trying to make provoking posts in the mirage thread since your original first post in here.

It's an idiotic statement to claim mirage owners are first time 'real' speaker owners and that is why they think they sound good. I've heard MANY very high end systems easily 5x the cost of mine and am still impressed with my mirage speakers. Mirages put out a very accurate and natural sound. You appear to be looking for something that 'pounds'. There are guys selling speakers out of a van at your local mall right now that you'd probably really like how hard they hit.

Don't come in hear with your crap spewing and try and talk down to Mirage owners like you know better. For god sake, you bought speakers with built in powered subs in them. You want to talk about gimmicky or 'first timer', there you go. The fact you would want speakers and a center with a build in powered sub instead of taking the extra money on a high end dedicated sub tells me all I need to know about your audio taste.
post #6125 of 6689
I'm not bashing anyone. Your a little too insensitive.. Explain to me what the gimmick is of having powered subs in your towers. I had the Def tech's side by side with the Mirages,what part of I really wanted to like them do you not understand. I had a quarter of the hours on the def techs that I had on the Mirage's and the def tech's sounded a lot better.. Maybe its how my room is set up or whatever. I have a dedicated sub also. Just take a shot of something and loosen up. Like Monkuboy said,ears are subjective. And I'm still in here because there are a few guys I like chatting with that act like adults..
post #6126 of 6689
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Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

I'm not bashing anyone. Your a little too insensitive.. Explain to me what the gimmick is of having powered subs in your towers. I had the Def tech's side by side with the Mirages,what part of I really wanted to like them do you not understand. I had a quarter of the hours on the def techs that I had on the Mirage's and the def tech's sounded a lot better.. Maybe its how my room is set up or whatever. I have a dedicated sub also. Just take a shot of something and loosen up. Like Monkuboy said,ears are subjective. And I'm still in here because there are a few guys I like chatting with that act like adults..

Actually you are taking a shot at everyone telling everyone they have never heard real quality sound and are basically dumb for liking Mirage. You should understand audio is what sounds good to you and not everyone. You keep telling everyone you def techs are way better and everyone needs to hear, but there are def tech owners who have dropped then forover mirages. (go 3 pages back) For me, in my opinion, it's gimmicky because it's more of a sales ploy than functionality. A high end separate dedicated subwoofer is going to blow away the sound those in speakers powered woofers will put out hands down, but this is a mirage speakers thread.

I'm glad your happy with your def techs, I really am. Personally, I would never chose those speakers. I would usually keep my opinion about someone's else's 'opinion' to myself, but since you continue to attempt to talk down Mirage.
post #6127 of 6689
#1 I didn't talk them down.. I said I wished I would have liked them more. I never said they were garbage.. #2 The subs aren't just thrown in the def techs,they were engineered with everything working together.. I wouldn't use them alone,I do use a sub with them. Go into the Def Tech Forums and tell them that their a gimmick and see what happens.. The sound blends together..Maybe its not a sound for you,that's fine. I never said Mirage sucked.. I like them,just not enough to keep them.. No worries..
post #6128 of 6689
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Originally Posted by jcm2128 View Post

Yes- well, they have one in stock (try to put two in your cart and no luck). I called Vanns and confirmed. They also do not have an order pending with Mirage. I even e-mailed a Mirage rep who wasn't sure if anymore existed in Rosewood. They do have black. The 15s were even more discounted than the 28s. I think I may just go with them. The 15s are 1/3 of the price compared to the 28s, but perhaps 80% of the performance (speculation here on performance gap... hence my questioning).

I tried the 28 blacks. Put 10 in my cart only said 5 currently available. Might be some type of limit maybe. Just tried same with 15s said something thing currently only 5 available.
post #6129 of 6689
Like I said, speakers are a very subjective subject so the main thing is finding something that suits one's taste.

About Mirage not being "real" speakers or people liking them because they've never heard "quality" speakers, I found a few links of comments about the speakers (a couple from AVS threads) that were made while they were still selling for their original prices. The comparisons were made to some very highly respected competitors at much higher prices in some cases. People seemed to have no problem accepting the formerly high price of the 28's. Here are the links:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=721369

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=836867

http://www.soundstagexperience.com/i...d=52&Itemid=49

I found the third one enlightening as it was a response by a pro reviewer to a subsequent inquiry about which speaker he would choose given a choice between the 28's and some B&W's. Normally reviewers just give their reviews and run off to the next one and I know they usually throw around such superlatives about everything that you can't get them to commit about something later on. But this guy said he would still recommend the 28's.

The main criticism leveled at the OMD line seems to be the omnipolar design. People seem to either love it or hate it. Personally, I love it. I don't get the pinpoint imaging of conventional speaker designs, but then at a live concert or even in a studio, is anything ever really that pinpoint in real life? Plus at a concert much of the sound is being reflected at you or else coming from an amp that is nowhere near the person actually playing the instrument.
post #6130 of 6689
The weird thing for me is I didn't love it or hate it.. I just didn't hear it. It sounded like any other speaker to me. I don't know why. If I heard something special,I would have kept them. It bums me out actually..
post #6131 of 6689
OK, we got it. You had your say, plenty of times. Why not go enjoy your new speakers?
post #6132 of 6689
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Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

Its not the type of sound,but the quality. The def techs just sounded fuller and cinematic. My brother heard both also and immediately went for the def techs. Do yourself a favor,don't ever listen to the def tech's,you might have buyers remorse.. lol The C1 did absolutely nothing for me either.. It was ok and that's it. Like I said,most people rave about these Mirages because the price is right now and they are their 1st set of real speakers or never heard quality next to them.. I'm not sayin,I'm just sayin.. Going from say,polk bookshelves to Mirage 15's is no comparision.. That's what just rubs me wrong..

Well I say great things about Mirage, and I'm coming from Energy RC-70's and B&W before that.
Now down to business. I have gotten so sick of seeing your posts that I decided it was time for a little 1 on 1. I know a guy who manages a very nice high end AV store, called him about this DefTec 8060HD center channel that he carries along with the matching towers and step-up 8080HD. So we had a little shoot-out between the 8060HD and the Mirage OMD-C2. The manager set up a time before opening, I won't say his name here, he could get fired.
It was the manager and one of his sales associates and me.
He had my shoot-out using a Denon AVR 4311ci powering some small surrounds and a Mcintosh MC 303 powering the fronts and center (you should see the size of this beast!) The fronts he used were B&W 802 Diamond (simply gorgeous)
We watched Transformers DOTM and Tron Legacy
In the end, along with some ringing in my ears, all three of us were in near total agreement on the outcome. The DefTec 8060HD reached lower, but the OMD-C2 easily bested the 8060HD in every catagory that matters for a center channel speaker especially voices, where the store manager was particularly astounded by how natural it sounded. Voice placement on screen was quite a bit better on the OMD-C2, the highs reached higher and smoother, and when driven to serious amounts of power, the OMD-C2 handled it gracefully, while the 8060HD staggered a little. The sound stage the C2 created was larger than the 8060HD and the sweet spot was far greater.
The low profile look of the 8060 HD is nice and it looks to be built very well, but the fit finish of the OMD-C2 is simply beautiful, and the build quality is extraordinary.
Next to my Kuro, this day marked the single most gratifying and justifiable one in my little hobby.
post #6133 of 6689
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Originally Posted by THANKGOD4PLASMA View Post

Well I say great things about Mirage, and I'm coming from Energy RC-70's and B&W before that.
Now down to business. I have gotten so sick of seeing your posts that I decided it was time for a little 1 on 1. I know a guy who manages a very nice high end AV store, called him about this DefTec 8060HD center channel that he carries along with the matching towers and step-up 8080HD. So we had a little shoot-out between the 8060HD and the Mirage OMD-C2. The manager set up a time before opening, I won't say his name here, he could get fired.
It was the manager and one of his sales associates and me.
He had my shoot-out using a Denon AVR 4311ci powering some small surrounds and a Mcintosh MC 303 powering the fronts and center (you should see the size of this beast!) The fronts he used were B&W 802 Diamond (simply gorgeous)
We watched Transformers DOTM and Tron Legacy
In the end, along with some ringing in my ears, all three of us were in near total agreement on the outcome. The DefTec 8060HD reached lower, but the OMD-C2 easily bested the 8060HD in every catagory that matters for a center channel speaker especially voices, where the store manager was particularly astounded by how natural it sounded. Voice placement on screen was quite a bit better on the OMD-C2, the highs reached higher and smoother, and when driven to serious amounts of power, the OMD-C2 handled it gracefully, while the 8060HD staggered a little. The sound stage the C2 created was larger than the 8060HD and the sweet spot was far greater.
The low profile look of the 8060 HD is nice and it looks to be built very well, but the fit finish of the OMD-C2 is simply beautiful, and the build quality is extraordinary.
Next to my Kuro, this day marked the single most gratifying and justifiable one in my little hobby.

Nice! I liked the review.
post #6134 of 6689
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Originally Posted by THANKGOD4PLASMA View Post

Voice placement on screen was quite a bit better on the OMD-C2...

IMO, this is the single best performance aspect of the OMD series...

I spent some time with the OMD-C1, and it does an amazing job of making it seem as though voices come from the actors/actresses on screen... better than any other center I've owned.

While I prefer the sound/sonic balance of some other centers I've owned, I can really appreciate this aspect of the C1's performance.
post #6135 of 6689
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Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

#1 I didn't talk them down.. I said I wished I would have liked them more. I never said they were garbage.. #2 The subs aren't just thrown in the def techs,they were engineered with everything working together.. I wouldn't use them alone,I do use a sub with them. Go into the Def Tech Forums and tell them that their a gimmick and see what happens.. The sound blends together..Maybe its not a sound for you,that's fine. I never said Mirage sucked.. I like them,just not enough to keep them.. No worries..

HAHA!!!!! Have you read your posts here?? I don't even own Mirages....I'm a Boston Acoustic and Paradigm fan right now....but who knows what the future holds.... but I like coming here as the people on this thread are very informative about their speakers and appreciate what they do.... Why would I come on here telling them that Boston's are better than Mirage?? That would be childish of me..... Then you say "go say bad things about Def-Techs on that forum and see how people react"?? You're doing just that over here!! HAHA!! I swear.....you can't make this stuff up!!

As for the whole powered tower stuff......do me a favor and name me some other speakers that are powered....... A lot of speakers USED to do that.....but you'll be hard pressed to find them now. I owned a few sets of DT's...while they were decent....they were just so darn DEEP and boomy....it was almost comical. They sounded great at first....then when I went back to 'real' speakers....I heard what I was missing. You know what I didn't do?? I didn't go back to the DT thread and tell them that their product was inferior and I wanted to like it....but didn't. Why would I?? I found something better FOR ME.

But again.....as I said before....if you like your speakers THAT IS GREAT!! If they work for you then fantastic. We are sorry we don't like the same speakers as you....but if everybody did then I guess this hobby would be pretty darn boring huh??
post #6136 of 6689
I'm just confused on what you would have your speakers crossed over at to make use of a sub in a speaker? Or why you would want a sub in a speaker if you have a stand alone sub?

-Sean
post #6137 of 6689
I own a set of Goldenear Tritons they also have a powered sub built into them, I use them for 2 Channel. They have wonderful tight and accurate bass. Folded ribbon tweeter very nice speaker. In my home theater I have the OMD-28, C2, and R's I did not like the sound when I had them hooked up to my Denon 3311 but since replace the Denon with a Integra 80.2 and the 28's now sound awesome. In my family room I moved the Denon 3311 to I have the 15's, C1, and (4) 5's and the sound is wounderful. Are the Mirages better or worse than the Goldenears, no just different. As I said before the Mirages are great for home theater and music but I do prefer the Goldenears for 2 Channel they seem more detailed and accurate but I still love my Mirages. No bashing from me, I love all my speakers.
post #6138 of 6689
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Originally Posted by 230-SEAN View Post

I'm just confused on what you would have your speakers crossed over at to make use of a sub in a speaker? Or why you would want a sub in a speaker if you have a stand alone sub?

-Sean

For me, as I'm contemplating going the DT tower route, the appeal of having a pair of full range speakers up front is to even out the bass response.

The 8060s have decent output to the lower 20s in room. Place 2 up front and a sub in the back or near field to maximize impact. That is my reason for considering the powered DTs.

You don't need to cross them over if you don't want. Run them full size and set the sub to on or LFE only depending on your listening preferences.

I'm also considering the Mirage OMD 15s or 5s as I've read so many great user reviews on them, especially for movies. Plus a full 5.0 set would be about $800 less than the DTs. Which means more money for a bigger sub

I'm just worried I might not like the Mirage sound and I won't be able to return them without a taking a huge hit in the wallet on shipping both ways.

I still have a few months to decide though.
post #6139 of 6689
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Originally Posted by hhmegpks9 View Post

What do you guys think of using:

Fronts- OS v2 'FS' and 'CC'
Backs- OS v2 'Satellites' ?


I'm new to owning Mirage speakers, but I would guess that most people would say that for the current price of the OMD line over at Vanns, you'd be better off picking those up instead of the OS line.

-Sean
post #6140 of 6689
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Originally Posted by THANKGOD4PLASMA View Post

Well I say great things about Mirage, and I'm coming from Energy RC-70's and B&W before that.
Now down to business. I have gotten so sick of seeing your posts that I decided it was time for a little 1 on 1. I know a guy who manages a very nice high end AV store, called him about this DefTec 8060HD center channel that he carries along with the matching towers and step-up 8080HD. So we had a little shoot-out between the 8060HD and the Mirage OMD-C2. The manager set up a time before opening, I won't say his name here, he could get fired.
It was the manager and one of his sales associates and me.
He had my shoot-out using a Denon AVR 4311ci powering some small surrounds and a Mcintosh MC 303 powering the fronts and center (you should see the size of this beast!) The fronts he used were B&W 802 Diamond (simply gorgeous)
We watched Transformers DOTM and Tron Legacy
In the end, along with some ringing in my ears, all three of us were in near total agreement on the outcome. The DefTec 8060HD reached lower, but the OMD-C2 easily bested the 8060HD in every catagory that matters for a center channel speaker especially voices, where the store manager was particularly astounded by how natural it sounded. Voice placement on screen was quite a bit better on the OMD-C2, the highs reached higher and smoother, and when driven to serious amounts of power, the OMD-C2 handled it gracefully, while the 8060HD staggered a little. The sound stage the C2 created was larger than the 8060HD and the sweet spot was far greater.
The low profile look of the 8060 HD is nice and it looks to be built very well, but the fit finish of the OMD-C2 is simply beautiful, and the build quality is extraordinary.
Next to my Kuro, this day marked the single most gratifying and justifiable one in my little hobby.

That was a great review..I never owned the C2,I believe that would be a better comparison to the 8060HD than the C1.. I liked the Mirages fine,just didn't wow me.. I have an onkyo 805 with 130 watts ch.. I tried just about every setting and placement I could. Like I said,I wanted them to win me over.. I just couldn't tell that much diff against my Paradigm monitor 7's.. They were gorgeous speakers.. Wonder if I was doing something wrong or they needed more power..
post #6141 of 6689
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Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

That was a great review..I never owned the C2,I believe that would be a better comparison to the 8060HD than the C1.. I liked the Mirages fine,just didn't wow me.. I have an onkyo 805 with 130 watts ch.. I tried just about every setting and placement I could. Like I said,I wanted them to win me over.. I just couldn't tell that much diff against my Paradigm monitor 7's.. They were gorgeous speakers.. Wonder if I was doing something wrong or they needed more power..

Maybe the OMD's just aren't for you... nothing wrong with that. If the DefTech's sound better to you, then keep them and be happy. No need trying to figure out why you didn't like a given speaker as much as others do... just enjoy what sounds good to you.

The thing that has irked people here is not your speaker preference, but the way you keep going about crapping on others' opinions while stating your own. If you honestly don't see that, then I don't know what to tell you.
post #6142 of 6689
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Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

That was a great review..I never owned the C2,I believe that would be a better comparison to the 8060HD than the C1.. I liked the Mirages fine,just didn't wow me.. I have an onkyo 805 with 130 watts ch.. I tried just about every setting and placement I could. Like I said,I wanted them to win me over.. I just couldn't tell that much diff against my Paradigm monitor 7's.. They were gorgeous speakers.. Wonder if I was doing something wrong or they needed more power..

Well from what you wrote before you were very pleased with the Def Techs so don't second guess yourself. The main thing is you have something you really like. The Mirage sound is something people seem to love or hate so it isn't for everyone. I know you were very enthusiastic about the Def Techs and that just led to what I feel were some poor choices of words about the Mirages. We'll just agree to disagree! I'm still waiting for Vann's to drop those 28 prices..
post #6143 of 6689
Mirage OMDs are one of those speakers that excel in HT but are 50/50 for music. You either love them, or hate them. I still have my OMD15 setup in my master bedroom. When it came time for my massive ht upgrade, I considered the 28s, but because of the mirages only available at vanns and the line pretty much dead, I decided to look at other speakers. The beauty of omd's is, they will seamlessly blend In as surround speakers. They won't blend all that well in the music dept. I decided on a true dual role speaker and paradigms were the answer.

It's unfortunate to see the mirage line officially dead. I'm hoping vanns can somehow keep supplying the omd line. I wouldn't hesitate to grab a set of 28s with a C2 for a great deal in the future.
post #6144 of 6689
I'm sorry if I offended anyone,that wasn't my intention. The problem with these forums is.. It doesn't matter which one you go into,def tech,Mirage,Paradigm,Axiom.. Everybody in there is going to be giving those speakers glowing reviews.. The Mirages sounded fine. I thought they even sounded really good for music. I just never heard what everyone else is talking about...The 3D surround,the deep soundstage.. Wish I did,I would have kept them for sure..
post #6145 of 6689
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Originally Posted by monkuboy View Post

Well from what you wrote before you were very pleased with the Def Techs so don't second guess yourself. The main thing is you have something you really like. The Mirage sound is something people seem to love or hate so it isn't for everyone. I know you were very enthusiastic about the Def Techs and that just led to what I feel were some poor choices of words about the Mirages. We'll just agree to disagree! I'm still waiting for Vann's to drop those 28 prices..

I wouldn't wait too long Monkubro or they will be sold out and you won't be able to get them at all..
post #6146 of 6689
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Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

I wouldn't wait too long Monkubro or they will be sold out and you won't be able to get them at all..

That could be true... although if you read through this thread there have been various times when people have speculated that the supply of OMD speakers was nearing an end, especially when Vann's was sold out of a particular model. But then they always got in new stock. According to the latest posts I read, though, now Vann's and Mirage aren't sure what is going to happen. Compounded with "Mirage" actually being no more, that doesn't look too good for future production. On the other hand, the current price is just too darn much for me.

There are other highly regarded alternatives that are less expensive, but then I'd have to consider the cost of getting a different center channel for them and possibly surrounds. So that would turn out to be more expensive. On the other hand, there's nothing wrong with the 15's I have now. There is nothing wrong with the C1 either but the C2 is better. This hobby is crazy.
post #6147 of 6689
There is a 15 on eBay for bidding, rosewood. The last I saw was around $100. Last thing I heard was the Mirage line was to be completely gone by August. I was listening to some flac last night and absolutely love way the 15s sound stereo. The sound stage to me felt directly in front of me as if the 15s weren't even being used.
post #6148 of 6689
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Originally Posted by monkuboy View Post

That could be true... although if you read through this thread there have been various times when people have speculated that the supply of OMD speakers was nearing an end, especially when Vann's was sold out of a particular model. But then they always got in new stock. According to the latest posts I read, though, now Vann's and Mirage aren't sure what is going to happen. Compounded with "Mirage" actually being no more, that doesn't look too good for future production. On the other hand, the current price is just too darn much for me.

There are other highly regarded alternatives that are less expensive, but then I'd have to consider the cost of getting a different center channel for them and possibly surrounds. So that would turn out to be more expensive. On the other hand, there's nothing wrong with the 15's I have now. There is nothing wrong with the C1 either but the C2 is better. This hobby is crazy.

Even if you did get the 28's,you know what would happen.. You would be after the OMDR's.. Then we would find out Mirage isn't closing after all and they are coming out with a new line of speaker,then what would you do?
post #6149 of 6689
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Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

Even if you did get the 28's,you know what would happen.. You would be after the OMDR's.. Then we would find out Mirage isn't closing after all and they are coming out with a new line of speaker,then what would you do?

Well that's one thing I can say with relative certainty - that I wouldn't get the OMDR's. Not that I wouldn't like them but they really will not fit into the room. I'm thinking with the cost of the 28's, this would be the last pair of speakers I got unless I won the lotto or they got too old and didn't work anymore - it's like this would be the final pair.

Of course I say that with every final pair of speakers.
post #6150 of 6689
I listened to def techs, and prefer the Mirage's to them.

Box sound speakers are point sound sources that will always sound false IMHO.

I guess if you believe that entire orchestra can fit in the box's you might like the sound of them.

There's a few reason's musicians LOVE EL speakers, and it's NOT because they are expensive.

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Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

Its not the type of sound,but the quality. The def techs just sounded fuller and cinematic. My brother heard both also and immediately went for the def techs. Do yourself a favor,don't ever listen to the def tech's,you might have buyers remorse.. lol The C1 did absolutely nothing for me either.. It was ok and that's it. Like I said,most people rave about these Mirages because the price is right now and they are their 1st set of real speakers or never heard quality next to them.. I'm not sayin,I'm just sayin.. Going from say,polk bookshelves to Mirage 15's is no comparision.. That's what just rubs me wrong..
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