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post #6391 of 6689
If anyone wants to trade a c2 in rosewood, I'll put up a pair of omdr's
post #6392 of 6689
I've owned a set of Mirage OMDs (15/5/C1) since 2010, and I haven't been completely happy with them. I originally was driving them with an Onkyo 3008 (RIP) and am now using a Yamaha A3010. My sub is a HSU VTF2-MK3.

My issues with them are the following:

-Dialogue in movies has never sounded good to me (sounds hollow and tinny)
-The OMDs sound harsh at higher volumes

For the dialogue issue, I noticed that my Yamaha sets the crossover to 110 Hz for the center channel (My Onkyo set it to 100 I believe), so I'm wondering if there is a gap between the center and the sub that's causing this. Can I change the crossover on the center to 80 Hz (can it go that low)?

Are there any other tips/tweaks I might try before scrapping the OMDs and going in a different direction? Thanks.
post #6393 of 6689
Yes, change the crossover. Consider trying some test tones to make sure it's working.
post #6394 of 6689
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Originally Posted by tsaville View Post

Are there any other tips/tweaks I might try before scrapping the OMDs and going in a different direction? Thanks.

Yes - you can sell me your 15's and 5's and find something else. tongue.gif
post #6395 of 6689
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Originally Posted by tsaville View Post

I've owned a set of Mirage OMDs (15/5/C1) since 2010, and I haven't been completely happy with them. I originally was driving them with an Onkyo 3008 (RIP) and am now using a Yamaha A3010. My sub is a HSU VTF2-MK3.
My issues with them are the following:
-Dialogue in movies has never sounded good to me (sounds hollow and tinny)
-The OMDs sound harsh at higher volumes
For the dialogue issue, I noticed that my Yamaha sets the crossover to 110 Hz for the center channel (My Onkyo set it to 100 I believe), so I'm wondering if there is a gap between the center and the sub that's causing this. Can I change the crossover on the center to 80 Hz (can it go that low)?
Are there any other tips/tweaks I might try before scrapping the OMDs and going in a different direction? Thanks.
Are you using Audyssey or similar calibration in your receivers? If not, you might need it to deal with room/placement acoustics. If so, you might need to redo the calibration, making sure microphone placement is good in multiple positions, there are no background noises during calibration, etc.
post #6396 of 6689
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Originally Posted by lightbox View Post

Are you using Audyssey or similar calibration in your receivers? If not, you might need it to deal with room/placement acoustics. If so, you might need to redo the calibration, making sure microphone placement is good in multiple positions, there are no background noises during calibration, etc.

With my Onkyo, I used Audyssey XT32 to calibrate the speakers. With my current receiver, I used YPAO. I would say the results were similar, but I may run YPAO again. The placement of my center channel (a couple of feet above my TV) is less than ideal, but I really don't have any other options with the furniture I currently have in that room.
post #6397 of 6689
I tried a C1 and did not like the sound for the exact same reason, it just sounded like a small center channel. My decade old MC-Si sounded much better so I returned the C1 and talked myself out of the upgrade since I would see diminishing returns.
post #6398 of 6689
There is absolutely no way YPAO is going to compete with XT32.. NO WAY!
post #6399 of 6689
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Originally Posted by Goat1 View Post

There is absolutely no way YPAO is going to compete with XT32.. NO WAY!

I know that XT32 has attained mythical stature around here, but (to my ears) my system sounded the same after XT32 and YPAO calibration. My receiver has the most advanced version of YPAO available, for whatever that's worth.
post #6400 of 6689
There is a lot more to it than just feet and hz adjustment. There are over 10,000 diff filters and YPAO doesn't eq the sub. Even if it did,it doesn't use 512 filters on it like XT32. Going from audyssey eq to xt32 was an amazing difference and audyssey eq is supposed to be better than YPAO. But if you have used both and can't tell the difference ,it doesn't really matter ,its all good.
post #6401 of 6689
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Originally Posted by tsaville View Post

With my Onkyo, I used Audyssey XT32 to calibrate the speakers. With my current receiver, I used YPAO. I would say the results were similar, but I may run YPAO again. The placement of my center channel (a couple of feet above my TV) is less than ideal, but I really don't have any other options with the furniture I currently have in that room.
Did you mount the C1 upside down?
post #6402 of 6689
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Originally Posted by dr_gallup View Post

Did you mount the C1 upside down?

I did not. Wall mounting isn't really an option with my current setup, and I'm not sure it was meant to be ceiling mounted. I could probably post a picture if that would be helpful.
post #6403 of 6689
I really like my omd c-1. I have not found any weakness with it, and in fact even the wife & kids say it sounds better than other center I have used....
post #6404 of 6689
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Originally Posted by tsaville View Post

...placement of my center channel (a couple of feet above my TV) is less than ideal, but I really don't have any other options with the furniture I currently have in that room.

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Originally Posted by dr_gallup View Post

Did you mount the C1 upside down?

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Originally Posted by tsaville View Post

I did not. Wall mounting isn't really an option with my current setup, and I'm not sure it was meant to be ceiling mounted. I could probably post a picture if that would be helpful.

I think that placement is an issue here. Although an Omnipolar design, the OMDs still need to be aimed toward the listening area. The C1 has up-and-out dispersion and usually needs to be mounted upside down when placement is above the screen.

Post a pic, if you get the opportunity.
post #6405 of 6689
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Originally Posted by WhskyTangoFoxtrt View Post

I think that placement is an issue here. Although an Omnipolar design, the OMDs still need to be aimed toward the listening area. The C1 has up-and-out dispersion and usually needs to be mounted upside down when placement is above the screen.
Post a pic, if you get the opportunity.

I'm at work, so I can't post a picture now, but I can describe it:

Basically I have an old-school entertainment center (two giant towers on either side of the TV, bridge connecting the two at the top). I don't have room to place the C1 on the unit that the TV is sitting on, so I have it sitting on top of the bridge (roughly two feet above the TV, as I mentioned). I have it somewhat angled down towards the listening area, but probably not nearly enough.

I looked at it last night, and I think what I'll do is build a shelf between the two towers that would be directly above the TV. I think that would be low enough that I could successfully angle it properly. Since I won't be able to match the stain, it might look like crap, but that center channel placement has bothered me for a long time. Hopefully this will be a noticeable improvement.
post #6406 of 6689
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Originally Posted by tsaville View Post

I'm at work, so I can't post a picture now, but I can describe it:
Basically I have an old-school entertainment center (two giant towers on either side of the TV, bridge connecting the two at the top). I don't have room to place the C1 on the unit that the TV is sitting on, so I have it sitting on top of the bridge (roughly two feet above the TV, as I mentioned). I have it somewhat angled down towards the listening area, but probably not nearly enough.
I looked at it last night, and I think what I'll do is build a shelf between the two towers that would be directly above the TV. I think that would be low enough that I could successfully angle it properly. Since I won't be able to match the stain, it might look like crap, but that center channel placement has bothered me for a long time. Hopefully this will be a noticeable improvement.

Placing the OMD-C1 in an enclosed entertainment center might be an issue as well. Can you place it in front -- possibly a pedestal -- or mount it to the ceiling?
post #6407 of 6689
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Originally Posted by WhskyTangoFoxtrt View Post

Placing the OMD-C1 in an enclosed entertainment center might be an issue as well. Can you place it in front -- possibly a pedestal -- or mount it to the ceiling?

Well, it wouldn't be totally enclosed. It would have the bridge sitting about 18 to 20 inches above it, but would have good clearance on either side. Would that still be problematic? I considered a pedestal in front of the TV, but that would block other components below the TV.

I'll post a picture tonight; maybe that will spark other placement ideas. Thanks for the responses so far.
post #6408 of 6689
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Originally Posted by tsaville View Post

I did not. Wall mounting isn't really an option with my current setup, and I'm not sure it was meant to be ceiling mounted. I could probably post a picture if that would be helpful.
It can definitely be ceiling mounted, or otherwise mounted upside down if it's high enough.

You can also invert the OMD-C1 and mount it on the ceiling. My source at Mirage says: "I have mine mounted to the ceiling (with a 20-cent bracket from the hardware store) slightly in front of a 100-inch screen with phenomenal results!"
post #6409 of 6689
Anyone selling one or two OS3 satellites or know of any good deals? I just picked up a Yamaha RX-A2010 and am thinking of getting the OS3CC and using two of the OS3s as front presence speakers.
post #6410 of 6689
Here is a picture of my setup. I used my highly advanced photoshop skills to draw in my proposed new placement of the C1:



Will this be much of an improvement, or will I run into issues with reflections off the top bridge? I'm open to other placement suggestions. Thanks.
post #6411 of 6689
I would mount it upside down from the underside of where it is setting right now.
post #6412 of 6689
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Originally Posted by Bluvette View Post

I would mount it upside down from the underside of where it is setting right now.

Yeah, I thought of that after others had mentioned mounting it to the ceiling. I have seen that recommendation in this thread before, but I don't recall seeing pictures/descriptions of how to do it. Any recommendations? Thanks.
post #6413 of 6689
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Originally Posted by tsaville View Post

Yeah, I thought of that after others had mentioned mounting it to the ceiling. I have seen that recommendation in this thread before, but I don't recall seeing pictures/descriptions of how to do it. Any recommendations? Thanks.

I would recommend using this, and mount it to the underside of the existing bridge that you have the speaker sitting on. Obviously use screws that are the appropriate length so as to not go all the way through.

http://www.amazon.com/OmniMount-Stainless-Steel-Speaker-Ceiling/dp/B00006LHDV/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1355414930&sr=8-1&keywords=omnimount+ceiling+mount
post #6414 of 6689
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Originally Posted by tsaville View Post

Here is a picture of my setup. I used my highly advanced photoshop skills to draw in my proposed new placement of the C1:

Will this be much of an improvement, or will I run into issues with reflections off the top bridge? I'm open to other placement suggestions. Thanks.

I like the Omnimount idea. Probably easier and better than building an additional shelf. If you do mount it to the underside of the bridge, you might consider moving it forward as much as possible. I suspect that it will be better than its current placement.
post #6415 of 6689
Thanks for the suggestions. I ordered the omnimount. I'll report back when I get it all set up this weekend.
post #6416 of 6689
Does anybody use the omd-5 as front speakers? What is your opinion of them acting as fronts? I am thinking of downsizing to them and selling my omd-28. I have a jl fathom 13 as a sub and omd-c2 as center.

Rear speakers are omd-5 as well. I am in a 13x21 room.

TIA,
tntrac
post #6417 of 6689
Anybody using MX's for surrounds? Thinking of getting ML Motion 20's and ML Motion 6 for front stage. Do they play well together?
post #6418 of 6689
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Originally Posted by tractng View Post

Does anybody use the omd-5 as front speakers? What is your opinion of them acting as fronts? I am thinking of downsizing to them and selling my omd-28.
I'll trade you a pair of OMD-5s for your OMD-28s. biggrin.gif
post #6419 of 6689
In regards to using omd-5's as fronts, I love 'em! I am running a pair up front along with an omd c-1. I get compliments all the time. I honestly think it sounds better than the Polk lsi-15's I used to own. Full sound, decent bass and great highs. Overall clean sounding. The omd-5's are getting harder to find, as with all Mirage speakers, so I would jump on an pair quick. Ebay currently has a pair for sale. If you decide to sell your omd-28's send me a PM. I have always wanted to own a pair.
post #6420 of 6689
I have bought Mirage OmniSat OS3 speakers 5.1 with S10 subwoofer. Also bought Yamaha RX-A720 receiver.

I'm not able to get more bass in music. I have set the sub level to 3/4 and not able to get the punch in bass music.

Is there any settings that I'm missing or the receiver is not so good for more bass.

Please advise...
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