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post #6541 of 6694
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Originally Posted by wazio2 View Post

Gentlemen, I'm new to the site and just want to say hey. Also I'm looking for a mirage omd-c2. I already had the omd-28's and just stole and open box pair of omd-r's from crutchfield for $249 pc w/ free shipping. The only thing missing is the omd-c2. I'm thinking of keeping the omd-5's and making it a 7.1 system. Any help in locating one would be appreciated...

Nice grab on those OMD-R's. C2's are pretty hard to come by, but they pop up on ebay every once in a while. The forum on bluray.com has an active Mirage thread where they are sometims sold too. Good Luck!
post #6542 of 6694
So, I recently made out like a bandit and got a used completely working OmniSat V2 system for $100 (FS, Sats, CC, and Omni S8).

The problem is, lots of little hardware is missing. I've got what I can directly from Mirage, but I need help on the center channel. I don't have the tabletop or wall mounts. Is it okay just using a shelf and letting it rest free, should I prop it a certain way, or is there any other DIY/3rd party jigs that people know of? Thanks.
post #6543 of 6694
Just found out about Mirage going out of production (yeah, a bit late). Very sad. I'll have to play taps through my HDT's. wink.gif

Has there been any rumblings of someone trying to purchase or license the Mirage IP from Audiovox? It would be a waste to see the omnipolar idea, a proven design, disappear.
post #6544 of 6694
You can still see Mirage Omnipolar Technology in the new Jamo brand speakers. They look like golfballs frown.gif

http://www.devanadiyoga.com/workshop/yoga-beer-bliss-happy-yoga-hour-with-jason-sowards/
post #6545 of 6694
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Originally Posted by Noman74656 View Post

You can still see Mirage Omnipolar Technology in the new Jamo brand speakers. They look like golfballs frown.gif

I see, Jamo claims the Omnipolar technology is exclusive to them now.

Best Buy has the two satellite models, S 25 & S 35 in their Magnolia stores. Starting around $140 each for the S 25. At least an option exists. :-|

I had Jamo's back in the 1990's as surround sweeteners to a Yamaha 7.1 system. They did the job.
post #6546 of 6694
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Originally Posted by Noman74656 View Post

You can still see Mirage Omnipolar Technology in the new Jamo brand speakers. They look like golfballs frown.gif

http://www.devanadiyoga.com/workshop/yoga-beer-bliss-happy-yoga-hour-with-jason-sowards/

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Originally Posted by eelpout View Post

I see, Jamo claims the Omnipolar technology is exclusive to them now.

Best Buy has the two satellite models, S 25 & S 35 in their Magnolia stores. Starting around $140 each for the S 25. At least an option exists. :-|

I had Jamo's back in the 1990's as surround sweeteners to a Yamaha 7.1 system. They did the job.

Those of us that have seen the wonderful speakers that Mirage produced over the years and then seeing what Jamo developed out of the Omnipolar technology is just not close. I'm not slamming Jamo, but they just aren't MIRAGE.
post #6547 of 6694
I just purchased 2 OMD-5's for surrounds in my 5.1 setup. I'm gonna try and ceiling mount them since I already have useable mounts up there and see how they sound. If need be I'll buy stands and lower them down to ear level.

My question is what they should be crossed over to and play at reference level? My mains are pretty high end, Clearwave 4Tse and 4Tcc. We'll see if the Mirages can keep up.

Thanks in advance
Bill

Update:

Very impressed with these speakers. I wish I would have hopped on the band wagon earlier. Today I ran them in a 2.1 setup powered by my Emotiva XPA-3 and they sounded wonderful. Bare in mind that my XPA is usually powering my mains which are no slouch.

I was hoping to get these mounted to my Pinpoint AM-20 wall/ceiling mount today but was unable to do so. After installing my Pinpoints, which are a pretty slick design (highly recommended) I discovered that they were completely incompatible. Needless to say, I was pissed. The Pinpoints are based off of a 1/4"-20 thread pattern which is extremely common in most surrounds/bookshelf speakers that are ready to mount. The OMD-5's however do not use this thread pattern. After a lot of choice words and some frustration I began to scour the internet to find out what thread pattern the OMD's use. I finally found that they use a 3/8"-16 pattern. So I began searching for a reducer adapter and kept getting hits from Camera based web sites. Turns out that this is a very common tripod adapter, FYI. So I called a local camera shop and they had plenty in stock for $1/ea! Long story short, I picked up the reducer and it works perfectly.

Tomorrow I intend to mount the OMD's and will give my official review later. I have a pretty good feeling about these so far. Audyssey crossed them over at 70Hz and I feel they did very well today while ran in 2.1 with a DIY 12" Dayton sub backing them up.

More to follow.

-Bill
Edited by 134LRS - 11/6/13 at 10:03pm
post #6548 of 6694
My Onkyo receiver determines the crossover point for my OMD-5's to be 90Hz after running Audyssey. Mine are used as mains, stand mounted, a couple of feet from the wall behind them. When Stereophile Guide to Home Theater reviewed the OMD-5 they determined the -3dB point to be 100Hz in free space. It's not terribly surprising that your wall mounted OMD-5s are determined to have a -3dB point of 70Hz given the barrier reinforcement provided by the wall (and possibly the ceiling).

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/mirage-omd-15-speaker-system-ht-labs-measures

However, because you are interested in playing back movies at reference you should probably be thinking not "how low can I go?" but how "high can I go?". As I'm sure you know, the OMD-5 only has a 5" woofer in a small sealed enclosure. It can only play so loud. The more bass you are able to remove from the signal sent to the OMD-5 the louder it should be able to play free of distortion. I would think a good exercise would be to see how high you can set the crossover before you start to notice surround content coming from the subwoofer and not the surrounds. You can't really do this with tones because without the high frequency portion of musical (or movie) content the sub will be very localizable.

On the other hand, when measuring my system using Room EQ Wizzard, I have found that I have the smoothest frequency response when I stick with the crossover frequency determined by my receiver. Do you actually listen at reference on a regular basis? It's pretty darn loud.

So food for thought.
post #6549 of 6694
I actually watch movies at or close to reference level once or twice a week, when the wife and kid are gone. smile.gif I'm still playing around with the crossover set point. So far 90-100hz opens the speakers up a little more allowing them to play louder. These satellites are a big step up from what I was using from a SQ standpoint but only time will tell if I will keep them in the HT system or not. If not, they will definitely be used elsewhere in the house as I really like the sound. My delima is that my room requires that my couch be positioned against the back wall of my basement living area. This is where I feel the omni directional design shines. If I choose to go another way I will probably go with some of the higher end def tech in ceiling speakers such as the UIW RSS II.

More to follow as I smooth things out.

-Bill
post #6550 of 6694
Is there any other brand/upgrade path for those of us who like the Mirage's omnipolar sound? I've got an Omnisat v2 5.1 system (with an OS3 center) currently and am looking to upgrade. I tried out a set of Polk RTi speakers and the directionality - especially out of the center - was jarring after using my Omnisats for all these years. (It also seemed to me like a sideways upgrade in terms of sound quality, other than the A6 center which was a noticeable improvement.) Is there anything out there like the Omnisats - for example, where voices don't sounds like they're coming from under the screen?

Very disappointing Mirage and its tech were killed. I basically want the Omnipolar sound but in higher quality speakers; from what I've read, the OMD line appear to be exactly what I'm looking for, but I can't find them anywhere.
post #6551 of 6694
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Originally Posted by Capitol K View Post

Is there any other brand/upgrade path for those of us who like the Mirage's omnipolar sound? I've got an Omnisat v2 5.1 system (with an OS3 center) currently and am looking to upgrade. I tried out a set of Polk RTi speakers and the directionality - especially out of the center - was jarring after using my Omnisats for all these years. (It also seemed to me like a sideways upgrade in terms of sound quality, other than the A6 center which was a noticeable improvement.) Is there anything out there like the Omnisats - for example, where voices don't sounds like they're coming from under the screen?

Very disappointing Mirage and its tech were killed. I basically want the Omnipolar sound but in higher quality speakers; from what I've read, the OMD line appear to be exactly what I'm looking for, but I can't find them anywhere.

You might want to try something with a horn loaded tweeter like the offerings from Klipsch or HSU Research. They aren't omnipolar, but have a wider sweet spot.

Otherwise there are some used Mirage OMD speakers on ebay, audiogon, and the classified ads on this forum. The blueray.com forum has a pretty active Mirage thread that does a great job of keep up what's available.
post #6552 of 6694
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Originally Posted by Capitol K View Post

Is there any other brand/upgrade path for those of us who like the Mirage's omnipolar sound? I've got an Omnisat v2 5.1 system (with an OS3 center) currently and am looking to upgrade. I tried out a set of Polk RTi speakers and the directionality - especially out of the center - was jarring after using my Omnisats for all these years. (It also seemed to me like a sideways upgrade in terms of sound quality, other than the A6 center which was a noticeable improvement.) Is there anything out there like the Omnisats - for example, where voices don't sounds like they're coming from under the screen?

Very disappointing Mirage and its tech were killed. I basically want the Omnipolar sound but in higher quality speakers; from what I've read, the OMD line appear to be exactly what I'm looking for, but I can't find them anywhere.
Mirage speakers are everywhere. You just have to check avs, audiogon, ebay, emotiva lounge regularly. I just picked up a pair of mint OMD-15's and OMD-5's for a song. I'm not certain I'll keep the 15's.....keep an eye out as I may list them here for sale if I don't keep them.
post #6553 of 6694
Ohm Walsh speakers are omnipolar and sound a lot like mirages. I have OMD28's and Ohm Walsh 3000's and am happy with both pairs.
post #6554 of 6694
I currently own a whole set of nanosats (5.0) plus a sub...I've come across the opportunity to get a pair of omnisats v2 for cheap and was think of replacing the fronts I currently have with the omnisats. The first thing I noticed was the slightly bigger driver and that they go down to 70hz. Would it make a big difference in midrange sound ?...the nanosats go down to 110hz. Would there be an audible difference ?
post #6555 of 6694
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Originally Posted by Yankees24 View Post

I currently own a whole set of nanosats (5.0) plus a sub...I've come across the opportunity to get a pair of omnisats v2 for cheap and was think of replacing the fronts I currently have with the omnisats. The first thing I noticed was the slightly bigger driver and that they go down to 70hz. Would it make a big difference in midrange sound ?...the nanosats go down to 110hz. Would there be an audible difference ?

You will hear a difference for sure with a larger driver and cabinet.
post #6556 of 6694
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Originally Posted by Yankees24 View Post

I currently own a whole set of nanosats (5.0) plus a sub...I've come across the opportunity to get a pair of omnisats v2 for cheap and was think of replacing the fronts I currently have with the omnisats. The first thing I noticed was the slightly bigger driver and that they go down to 70hz. Would it make a big difference in midrange sound ?...the nanosats go down to 110hz. Would there be an audible difference ?

I'm not saying they won't sound better, but there's no way those go down to 70 Hz. I have the larger OMD-5s, and they can barely play down to 80 Hz (despite a spec of 60 Hz). You simply can't get much low-end extension out of a small sealed enclosure with a small driver. The laws of physics won't allow it. biggrin.gif
post #6557 of 6694
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Originally Posted by tsaville View Post

I'm not saying they won't sound better, but there's no way those go down to 70 Hz. I have the larger OMD-5s, and they can barely

play down to 80 Hz (despite a spec of 60 Hz). You simply can't get much low-end extension out of a small sealed enclosure with a small driver. The laws of physics won't allow it. biggrin.gif

I hear ya....just going by the mirage website specs...
post #6558 of 6694
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Originally Posted by Capitol K View Post

Is there any other brand/upgrade path for those of us who like the Mirage's omnipolar sound?
Like others have said, you should seek out used OMD's for pure Mirage sound. But if you looked up a couple posts, you'd see that "Omnipolar" design was inherited by Jamo, which is also under the Klipsch/Audiovox corporate umbrella. They have a couple small satellites somewhat similar to Mirage's. Hopefully they'll flush out the line more.

IMO Jamo tends to stress aesthetic design first over sound, but I like what I've heard from them in the past.
post #6559 of 6694
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Originally Posted by Yankees24 View Post

I currently own a whole set of nanosats (5.0) plus a sub...I've come across the opportunity to get a pair of omnisats v2 for cheap and was think of replacing the fronts I currently have with the omnisats. The first thing I noticed was the slightly bigger driver and that they go down to 70hz. Would it make a big difference in midrange sound ?...the nanosats go down to 110hz. Would there be an audible difference ?
Yes, they sound much better. The Nanosats reach about 160hz in real life, so they sound thin as fronts. Omnisat V2s have a noticeably better tone.

The only problem is you'll really want to get another Omnisat V2 or OS3 to use as a center, or get a center from those lines.
post #6560 of 6694
Does anyone where I could get a OSC3-CC or Nano CC online (U.S.)?

I have Mirage Nanosat 5.1 and want to upgrade my center speaker.
I checked online but most website doesn't carry Mirage speakers anymore frown.gif.

If you know where I could get one, please let me know.
Thanks a million!
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post #6562 of 6694

Thanks for your information. There's is nothing wrong with Canada seller.
However, the price of this speaker went up almost $100 at this dealer several hours ago.
Might that be due to that I clicked and checked it many times and the seller found it and then re-listed it at higher price?

I guess I'd wait for the price drop or look for some other seller.
Anyways, thank you very much for your reply.
Edited by Sleepy0827 - 11/14/13 at 9:06pm
post #6563 of 6694
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Originally Posted by Sleepy0827 View Post

Does anyone where I could get a OSC3-CC or Nano CC online (U.S.)?

I have Mirage Nanosat 5.1 and want to upgrade my center speaker.
I checked online but most website doesn't carry Mirage speakers anymore frown.gif.

If you know where I could get one, please let me know.
Thanks a million!
Don't bother with the Nano CC. An Omnisat V2 CC would also work.
post #6564 of 6694
post #6565 of 6694
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Originally Posted by buzzy_ View Post

Don't bother with the Nano CC. An Omnisat V2 CC would also work.


Thank you very much for your replies.
I just bought a os3-cc on ebay. Can't wait to receive it.

After reading the posts here, I know Mirage was acquired by Klipsch which was acquired by Audiovox.
I thought they would still keep the Mirage brand but unfortunately, the company decided to stop making Mirage line of speakers.
Not a good news to me.

Anyways, Thanks all your information again.
post #6566 of 6694
Hey guys I picked up a pair of 260 towers and matching CCB1xcenter channel for $250. I just noticed there's a tweeter pushed in on one of the towers and the center channel so I had the parts store immediately order me two tweeters for $82 with free shipping. Here's my question. I'm using a Denon avr 2805 and I listen to music and watch movies with the room EQ set to normal as this really seems to bring out the highs and mids in the Omnis without it the speakers don't sound as clear. Is this due to the dented tweeters? Am I missing out on a lot of Sq listening to them like this? They still sound better than my old mains that are now my side surrounds those being Infinity Reference 2000.6 towers
post #6567 of 6694
If you're in the market for a 7pc set of Rosewood OMDs (like new, w/boxes, gloves, etc) - here is a LOT better deal than that ebay BIN $3,450 listing - LNIB, two OMD-15s, OMD-C1, Four OMD-5s (less the 8-inch Sub I saw at $349 or so at Amazon IIRC) http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/audio/index.html#mirageOMDrosewood4sale

(Mods can delete if they feel this is wrong - just had to reply to that eBay link at almost twice the cost for basically the same (Used) Rosewood OMD speakers, less an 8in sub.)
Edited by Xlr8yourMac - 11/26/13 at 1:21am
post #6568 of 6694
Hello everyone. My first post in avsforum after many years of lurking, and I need help. I currently have OS3 5.1 setup with the OS3-FS as the front speakers. The problem is that I think one of the woofers of the OS3-CC is blown. I notice that the center channel sounds a bit rough and one of the woofers makes a scratching noise when I press on it. I unscrewed and rotated the woofer by 90 degree, and that help solve both problems a bit. You now have to get your ears close to the speaker to hear the scratching noise. My question is that now that Mirage is gone, will it be possible to fully repair it? Or should I snatch a new OS3-CC on ebay? Also, would it be a problem if I replace the OS3-CC with center speaker from other brands when it completely blown in the future. Sorry that is more than a question. All response will be appreciated.
post #6569 of 6694
I have seen replacement parts to include drivers on EBay. That would be my starting point.
post #6570 of 6694
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Originally Posted by aerosuffly View Post

Hello everyone. My first post in avsforum after many years of lurking, and I need help. I currently have OS3 5.1 setup with the OS3-FS as the front speakers. The problem is that I think one of the woofers of the OS3-CC is blown. I notice that the center channel sounds a bit rough and one of the woofers makes a scratching noise when I press on it. I unscrewed and rotated the woofer by 90 degree, and that help solve both problems a bit. You now have to get your ears close to the speaker to hear the scratching noise. My question is that now that Mirage is gone, will it be possible to fully repair it? Or should I snatch a new OS3-CC on ebay? Also, would it be a problem if I replace the OS3-CC with center speaker from other brands when it completely blown in the future. Sorry that is more than a question. All response will be appreciated.

The link to email tech support was still active not too long ago when I asked them a question, so you could email them and see if they could help you out. The response was a bit slow, but thoughtful when I received it.

http://www.miragespeakers.com/support/
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