Definitive Owners Thread - Page 335

Huh? No, the CLR 1000b. I agree the CLR 2000 is a great CC, but it won't fit on top or below my TV.

i'll measure mine later

have you ever tried a phantom center ?

I love the size of the SCIII. I live in a town house so I'm not looking to go louder, in fact I often have to turn the sub down. I'm looking to go lower to pick up where the BP30's leave off. Adam from Def Tech suggested another SCIII. What exactly would running two SCIII's do for me?

the SCIII starts to roll off at 29hz

adding more of the same sub will not get you lower, just louder

you need something like the reference supercube or the trinity to get down really low

Thanks, yes I've been running my BP2000s for a week and they sound great as a phantom setup.

Last night I hooked up my CLR2000 and tried it back and forth with it on in small mode, large mode and off; it sounded best on and in large mode. That's with it set on the floor in front of my TV/audio stand.

cool

i found that with 2000s i get a good phantom center with the towers toed in more

I do already have them toed in. So are you seling your CLR1000b?

Hi Everyone,

I have a set of BP7002's that I use in my home theater. It appears that there is a left and right to these speakers. One side of the speaker has two large openings and the other side has a single large opening. I've read that there is a large subwoofer on one side and two radiators on the other side.

So my question is -- do you place the speakers with the single large opening (the sub speaker) facing in towards the TV or with the two large openings (radiators) facing inwards towards the TV?

As I understand it, the bipolar speakers work extremely well for the side surrounds. Its the forward and rearward moving sound that is supposed to create the "spaciousness" enveloping sound. That part I get.

What I don't understand is why BiPolar speakers would be a good choice for the rear surrounds in a 7.1 system? Wouldn't speakers firing directly towards the back of the listener's head be a better choice for rear surrounds?

This is one of those questions that comes up regularly. Unfortunately, there's no easy answer for you, because every room is different. The best bet is to try them both ways and see which sounds best.

Yes, yes, I know that's a pain! Believe me! But you only have to play around and do this experimenting once, then you'll know for sure that you've got them set up right for your room.

Actually, that's not a given. Many people do, in fact, prefer and/or recommend direct-firing speakers in the back, and THX recommends them.

Currently I am using a "cheap" speaker called Quest lol. It has a 2 - 4.5" driver I think, the reason I got it cause I was starting to hate my 5.1 HTIB where the fronts are tiny!

So I am not sure if $400 (CAD) is a really good investment on a very old speaker. The new ones I can get it for about $1,100 (CAD) might be able to get it lower.

Hello dbeck. Actually, there's one 12" bass radiator on each side on the bottom of your BP7002. The Powered 12" woofer is the one above the lower radiator. Along with testing the subs facing in or facing out, you can also move the towers closer or further from the wall behind them. Try not to place a bipolar powered tower near the corner of your front sound stage, nothing good will come from that. Are you replacing some speakers or setting up a new home theater? Those BP7002s are some really great speakers.

I was a little hesitant to use floor standing bipolars for rears, txh does not recommend them. My sofa is equal distance between the front and rear speakers, I have bpvx's (side speakers) just behind the sofa. In my room and to my ears, the bipolar rears work very well.

I'm using SM350s for rear surr and BPXs for sides and they are great, but that's only because I don't have another pair of BP surrounds to try out in the rear. I can sort of see the logic for bipolar for the rears as well as the sides. The spacial effect of the BP could have better localizing effect than the monopole. A direct radiating rear speaker would have sound originating from the exact same spot always, whereas the BP rear surround would allow for the listener to interpet where the sound is coming from according to what is happening in a movie for example. The bipolar surround may be a better design for rear as well as side surrounds for effects. I hope to have another BP surr some day, but for now I can only speculate.

Not that I don't appreciate your input so far but my situation is that the store I'm returning my "trial" clr-2002 to had a Supercube I demo or open box for around $600-$699. I could take the $500.00 credit and a little extra and walk with the SC-I. Like I said, townhouse, 16 x 13 living room, not looking to go louder but lower to augment the BP30's I'll be getting. Also I'm Kind of impatient. I guess I'm wondering more if the SC-I will do what I want and will I be "settling" at $600 - $699.

can you audition the SC I ?

the bp-30s are flat down to 22hz and the SC I is flat down to 20hz (both +/- 3db according to def tech)

the bp-30s are already beasts in their own right. i'm sure the SC I would add something but i'm guessing the reference or the trinity would be a better match to truly augment the performance of the bp-30s

According to BB I've got 30 days

Question for you guys-

Do you think I will hear a marked difference by pairing my Mythos 7.1 system with an Emotiva UPA-7 amplifier? I am currently using the Sony STR-DA5300ES AV receiver to power them. I picked up some Emotiva components for a future garage/gameroom build but that will take a few months to build.

Not sure if I want to deal with the hassle of rerouting all my wiring, etc. if there isn't a marked difference. I know Sony isn't the first name when you think of audiophile components, but I like the features of my receiver a lot. Thanks in advance.

that's cool. give it a shot and see how it does

Well, unless you buy a separate pre-pro, you'd still have all the features of your Sony receiver if you just use its pre-outs to the Emotiva. (Do you already have some other pre-pro?) The best thing to do would be to just try that and see if you hear a difference worth paying for.

I don't plan on removing the Sony AV receiver from my living room system, just adding the amp via pre-outs. Just curious as to what sonic differences, if any, I will hear. If I really like it, then I'll just pick up another UPA-7 when my man cave is done. Thanks.

Most people who have used separates notice that there is a certain "interaction" effect between units. So sometimes, an excellent amp can sound great with one receiver/pre-pro, but not another. And vice-versa. There is simply no way to generalize on the expected performance of your Sony+Emotiva combination, so hopefully someone who has tried them together could offer some useful insight.

On the other hand, I'm guessing the Emotiva will give you more power? Many feel that the DefTechs (like most speakers) like power and are more dynamic if you can give it to them. Again, I'd give it a try....unless there is some harsh or otherwise unpleasant interaction, it should work out pretty well.

makes sense. Thanks

I agree with progprog; you won't know until you try it. I auditioned an Outlaw Audio amp with an Onkyo TX-SR703 a couple of years ago, and could not tell any difference whatsoever, so it went back. Later, I tried a Sunfire Cinema Grand with my Onkyo TX-SR805, and the Sunfire provided much better channel separation and overall dynamics than the 805 (which has pretty powerful amps in its own right). I still use the Cinema Grand in my 5.1 setup in my family room, and have since added a Sunfire Signature Seven (400x7) to my 7.3 setup in the basement (also with an 805 as a pre/pro, soon to be replaced by an Onkyo TX-SR876). I'm not putting down the Outlaw; I just think in my setup the Sunfire made a much more significant difference. Plus, I like the smaller, cooler-running chassis of the Sunfires.

HFH,

I'm setting up a new home theater. We purchased a different home in May and I've spent most of my time renovating. Its just been the last 3 weeks that I was finally able to set up my HT and started testing.

Right now I have speaker wire strung across the floor and a new Mistubishi HC6500 sitting on a coffee table with a piece of black-out-cloth pinned to a wall for a screen.

Everything is set up "temporary" so that I can move things around and decide where they need to be located before I make a permanent installation.

My front wall where the screen is located is 14 feet wide. The screen is about 9 feet wide. To the left of the screen, tight to the left wall, is a 32" door that breaks up my front wall. The door forced me to locate everything to the right of center.

I ended up placing the right BP7002 approximately 2 feet from the right hand wall. I notice the bass gets very "boomy" on that speaker and in fact have heard some rattling when the bass starts to resonate. I've not had time yet (had to leave town for work) to find out if the rattling is the speaker or the wall being shook to death.

I have a supercube 1 sub also sitting next to the right-hand BP7002. (which no doubt contributes to why the right side sounds "boomy"). I want to relocate the sub to the other end of the room back behind the seating area. My thought is that I have 3 front speakers (center CLR2500) with built in subs and then nothing in the back of the room for bass. I have a bp-2x surround on each side of the seating area. I know that bass isn't supposed to be all that directional , but it still seems to make sense to me to place the bass in the rear. I'd like to test that this evening, but don't have a cable long enough.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't an RCA connector be purchased that can be used with an RG6 to make your own cable for the LFE?

I think my best solution to the front stage is to build a stud wall out about 3 feet in front of the existing wall. That would give me a full 14 feet for the front. The existing door would enter behind the stud wall, giving me access to my speakers. The speakers would be placed behind an acoustically transparent screen. This would allow me to move the front right speaker much further away from the wall.

I have a second door that enters the room in the middle of the right wall. The room is about 27 feet long. It will be some time before I'll have the time to do the construction. For now, I'd like to make the best of what I have.

What kind of wall seperation is needed for bi-polar rears?

I am considering bi-polar to replace my current bookshelfs, but the SM350 have also caught my attention. I would be pairing them with a set of tri-polars from M&K. Unfortunately, in my living area, I won't be able to audition them.

In theory, would the tri-polar be best for rears or sides? Would they be better paired with direct firing or bi-polar? If I were to replace the tri-polar, would you recommend all bi-polar or something such as SM350. Again, I would love to audition, but I am unable to and will likely have to direct order them based on research and opinions.

Absolutely agree. I wouldn't cross over a fantastic full range speaker like the BP30 to an SCI. I guess you can try it out, but I bet you lose more than you gain.

Yes, absolutely. I make all my own cables. If you don't have the dedicated tools, you don't need to buy them just for one or two cables. It'll take you a little longer, but you can prep the ends with a scissor and utility knife.

Be sure to buy the right connectors. RG5, RG6, quad-shield, etc, are all different diameter cables and require connectors correctly-sized for them.

I have never heard of tri-polar speakers so not sure if bi-polars would be a good match. THX recommends using direct radiating rear speakers. As far as sides, bi-polars would be fine.