Definitive Owners Thread - Page 340

otk, Thank you for the good explanation. I thought this is how it all worked.

Let's say for example that you set your powered towers to "small" and set the crossover to 60hz? Do you lose 20hz thump all together if the subwoofer setting is set to "lfe"? How about "lfe + mains"?

Totally different scenario... no subwoofer in the mix...

Ok, now say that you have powered towers up front (set to "large") and you have no subwoofer (which the case with me)? Where does the lfe signal go? Where does the bass go that is below the crossover of the rears if they are set to "small"? You might answer this for the scenario above as well (subwoofer in the mix).

How bout setting the BP30's at large and setting up the SC-I at LFE. Bass management LFE + mains?

when you set your mains to small, the "LFE + mains" option disappears because it's no longer relevant

if you set your speakers to small that 20hz thump that's sent to the front right channel will be directed to the subwoofer output on the receiver

i would try 3 different methods and go with the one that sounds best

set mains to "large" sub to "yes" and do not use the "LFE + mains" option

set mains to "small" with a 40hz crossover

set mains to "large" sub to "yes" and use the "LFE + mains" option

Thanks for the previous thread on the SUB and main putting out base together, it was interesting...

i have 2 questions for you definitive experts.

#1 - i have the following speakers that i just bought:

Definitive BP7002 fronts
Definitive CLR 2500 centre

However, i inherited a ENERGY xl-s10 Subwoofer (400wats max)

I know its older, but would it be a good match for me or would it be underpowered? I see that Definitive has a bunch...
one of which is 1500 watts and about $1200 (Supercube 1)

What would be your opinion on this? If underpowered, i will buy the definitive instead.... or maybe run both?

#2 - if i were to choose to run the low freq to the mains, do i need to use the LFE jacks in the back of the speakers? and HOW? as the receiver would have but 1 subwoofer output. SPLITTER ?

thanks....

Andrew in Toronto

def tech gets so much love in the subwoofer forum

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1108500

Nice to see T-Dot represented here. Must have been pretty expensive to get those 7002's with the exchange rate. Or did BBR take you for a few dollars?

I realize that the guy was joking, but I felt compelled to respond.

It's just tough sometimes when you're looking for answers about what you bought and someone flat out calls your purchase a terrible buy.

Not that they have to sugar coat their distaste, but at least offer advice pertaining to the questions posed and substantiate claims with factual evidence.

This is, the AV Science Forum after all.

Hey, I'm with you. That's such a rude thing to do when somebody just has some questions. It's one of my pet peeves here....that, and those folks that apparently skipped the "Spelling & Punctuation" lesson in grade school.

Heres a question for you guys that maybe someone can help me with. I currently own bp2xs for my surrounds but I want to go back to a 7.1 setup. I plan on putting the bp2xs on the side of the seating area and use my old pm800 for the rear (until I get some sm350).

Here's the problem. My right surround has no wall. In order to fix this I built a "stand" that is about 5.5 feet tall and about 6 in. wide for the column. Would I be better off mounting it on the column since it'll kinda give it some backing or just have it sit on top. The top base will be a square foot. The rear wall will be about 5 feet away. Will this even work well?

I figured as much, I still have the 7004's wired with rca to the powered sub.

It sounds much better after running the mcacc. Although for some reason it put the sub down -9

I think the biggest thing was changing the center and rears to small.

another odd thing is it kept making me turn down the sub because it said it was to loud, I think it probably did that because when the sub was suppose to fire it was actually firing with the two powered woofers in the towers too.
I have the power on the sub set half way, I changed the ep to -8 on the sub, any idea on how much louder can I make the sub. Do you think I could get away with setting it at -5

I'm thinking of upgrading my mains, and I was looking at DefTech speakers. The Bipolar system sound interesting, particularly the BP 7002's. My main questions is, do I absolutely need clearence on the back end of these speakers? The way my theatre is setup is, that I will need to place these against the wall (or maybe have a max of 4-6" from wall).

Is this an issue? Should I look elsewhere due to this limitation?

they are very flexible

here's some info from the BP-7002 manual:

In most rooms the speakers should be placed 5 to 36 inches from the rear wall
in order to allow the rear radiated sound to freely reflect off the back wall. Please
note that they can go closer to, or further from, the wall if desired. Placement
closer to the rear wall will increase the bass output while placement further from
the rear wall will decrease the bass output (which, of course, can be compensated
for with the speakers' low frequency controls). Sometimes placement further from
the rear wall will increase spaciousness and the sense of depth.

Thanks! Wow I am REALLY tempted to pull the trigger on these. I was going to upgrade my sub-woofer from a SVS PB-10 to a PB-13, but now I am thinking of keeping the PB-10 and changing my Mains and Center to these bipolar system.

Talk me into it :lol:

I have used DefTechs for years, as have many here. I've heard other really great speakers, some of them costing 2-4x as much, but honestly, I have never heard any that sound better, especially for home theater. The bipolars in the front create such an immersive soundstage that you really get that fantastic full-theater experience. (Actually, it's better than most theaters! )

Do it, you won't be sorry.

I think I will. I'ma head over to 6th Ave electronics and see if they can cut me a deal.

I think I will enjoy these since I use my system for about 80% HT and 20% music, this makes more sense than upgrading my Sub.

I love my def techs, three of my buddies run all def techs and when i went to put together my system all I had to do was listen to theirs for a few seconds and that was it. I know have them for all my speakers and couldnt be happier. they are good looking speakers as well.

and the saga continues

they really hate def tech in that forum LOL

Some people are just a little overzealous about certain things.

Can be good and bad.

DefTech bipolars simply serve a different taste than lovers of direct-radiating speakers.

There's no need for one to bash the other.

Only problem is, if you sat these "haters" in the middle of your home theater and let them watch and listen to the "Dark Knight", they will probably not admit the fact they loved it, even though they'd be grinning from ear to ear.

Would running a amp to a pair of bp10's make a big difference in sound. Right now I'm using a H/K 240 and never had a problem with lack of power. Thought about getting into separates to give the system more power. Think it would be worth getting a 2 or 3 channel amp.

i have taken several friends "speaker shopping" at the B&M store that i frequent...six of them bought def-tech systems

two went with NHT...two went with paradigm...one went with boston acoustic

all happy...

six a little happier than the others

This is a common question in this thread. The general consensus is that while most modern receivers will drive Def Techs just fine, they tend to "open up" more with better power behind them. The best way for you to know if to try for yourself. You might consider getting a 2 or 3 channel amp from Outlaw Audio or Emotiva, which you could audition with your speakers and return if you don't think it's worth it.

FWIW, I tried an Outlaw amp (7x125, all channels driven) with my 5.1 channel setup, using my (at the time) Onkyo TX-SR703 as a pre/pro, which is rated at 100 watts/ch (1 or 2 channels driven, not sure which), and I heard no real difference between the two, so returned it. About 1 1/2 years later, I had switched to Onkyo TX-SR805's for both my systems, which has much beefier amps than the 703 (130 watts/ch with 2 channels driven, and most independent tests show little power drop-off with more channels added). On a whim, I picked up a Sunfire Cinema Grand (5x205 watts/ch, all channels driven), and immediately heard better channel separation, greater dynamics and "punch" with 2-channel music, and just a generally cleaner sound. I liked it so much, I ended up picking up a Sunfire Signature Seven (7x400 watts/ch, all channels driven) for my 7.3 setup downstairs. With these two amps in my systems, all of my Def Techs (see my profile for a list) sound cleaner, more powerful, more dynamic, more capable, and every other positive adjective that can be applied to speakers.

So, in my opinion, receivers + Def Techs = good sound, more than adequate for most; separates (even receivers as pre/pros) + Def Techs = Fantastic sound. Everyone's mileage may vary, though, which is why I recommend you try something that can be returned.

If everyone was put into a massive blind test to listen and record THEIR OWN opinion of the most popular speakers, there sure would be a lot of red faces eating crow out there.

I have a question, how do i know if one my BP6s is defective? i think im hearing some kind of a wiered combanation but i cant find out which speaker its coming from, could it be the bipolar effect which is sound bouncing from the wall which is what makes it sound wiered?

I have the bp6 about 9 inches away from the wall, thats the best i can do, and its not towed/angled towards the listening area, its facing directly the wall across, face to face.

its probably that that im hearing right? if it was defective i would have heared a noise that would have been completely obvious that it was a defective speaker right?

I am building a 5.1 system and I think I am ready to purchase some of these speakers. However, I don't know which surround speakers to buy. If I get the 7002/7004s w/the 2002 center, then which surrounds are recommended. I was goin to go for the bp2x but the guy at the shop recommended direct radiating surrounds instead of bipolar. What do you guys think of that?

Which direct radiating surrounds would go with the 7004/7002 and 2002 center?

My room is 13x15.

Thanks.

The guy at the shop may be basing his suggestion on his own personal preference or maybe the size and shape of your room, which is near square and a little smaller than average. What ever the reason for his suggestion, I would tend to believe it to be honest and truly trying to get you the best sound he can. I personally would opt for the bipolar surround, but just like you, it would be best to be able to test each in your home to know for sure. The direct radiating choice I would go with is the Studio Monitor 350.

can someone please help me with my question, today is my last day to return the bp6 im suspecting and i dont know if its defective

i would go return them for new ones if you think there's something wrong

is it just one speaker ?

i think so.. I really dont know if its coming from the center(clr2002) or the right bp6.


I have a question, when i bought that bp6 pair from 6ave in the store, when the guy brought the 2 speakers from the back i noticed right from the get go that one box of the bp6 is not sealed as it should be, it lookes like it was open and someone taped it back but very poorly, u thinl they sold me an openbox speaker or something? The speaker itself looks new but also when i was unboxing that speaker , the bag the speaker is in is supposed to have a few duct tapes around it, they were loose, on the other bp6 they were tight.

I think they sold me one brad new one and one used one or something, i cant determaine if the problem is in the right bp6 or in mg clr2002, usually it sounds fine but sometimes there is this moment where theres like a sound that i think is not supposed to be there, today is my last day, i should exchange it for another one right? I called and they have them in stock.

He said tho that when u bring the speaker in, they will test it and if its defective they will exchange it, what if they dont find a problem?

tell them it doesn't happen all the time and they'll have to listen for several hours

if they dick you around, just get your money back. you should be able to get a full refund if it's within 30 days

i really doubt they are going to unpack those and test them while you wait. i don't think they want to go through all that trouble. they are probably just trying to discourage you from bringing them for new ones

i would give them hell. call def tech if you have to

put up a fight