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post #1051 of 29303
12/21/06 at 5:14pm
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Took about 30-40hours of play to really open up my BP7006 towers but once it occurred it was like the clouds parted and rays of warm inspiring light shun down on me.

I now love listening to classical and some jazz on my setup more so then ever.

The most amazing part for me was during the final hours of the break in period I was listening to A Perfect Circles - The Noose from Thirteenth Step. Wow was all I could say at that moment.

~Bob

This was like my moment, but I've played my speakers WELL more than 40 hours (more like 400). My best guess is that the soundtrack from The Corpse Bride was more "challenging" and opened up the speakers a little more. I'm still not sure what happened, but I still love my Def Techs, and will for years to come, I'm sure.
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post #1052 of 29303
12/21/06 at 8:38pm
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Originally Posted by slouque1 View Post

How do Definitives sound w/ the Yamaha 5960 reciever? I'm looking for speakers that have a good clean sound.

I am using a yamaha to drive my definitive bi-polar setup. They work well together. I supose what you consider to be "good clean" sound would determine the answer to your question. Some people are not fans of bi-polar speakers. I happen to think they are very good a reproducing soundtracks and music.
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post #1053 of 29303
12/24/06 at 9:29am
I'm pretty excited about an install job for a customer coming up in January - I'll be wall mounting the Sharp 57" LC D90U 1080p LCD along with 6x Mythos Eight speakers (3 for the fronts and 3 for the surrounds) with a Supercube Reference up front. I know it will sound unbelieveably amazing and I love the idea of using identical 8's all around espeically matching the center. I plan to use one crossover at 80 Hz and let the SC Reference handle all the bass below 80 Hz.

Also going in is a BDI Avion Noir with Arcam AVR 350 powering the Mythos set-up. Everything routed into a Shunyata power conditioner. I'll be sure to take pictures and post them.
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post #1054 of 29303
12/24/06 at 9:33am
Sound freaking awesome. Wow thats going to be an awesome system. Let us know how it all turns out. J.H.
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post #1055 of 29303
12/24/06 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by J.H. View Post

Sound freaking awesome. Wow thats going to be an awesome system. Let us know how it all turns out. J.H.

Yep, its nice when the customer trusts me enough to design a system, and I generally go with Def Techs unless I think it doesnt make sense for the particular situation. In this case, I've never done the same Mythos' all around like this (except for the Gems) and the Eights can generate some serious SPL.
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post #1056 of 29303
12/24/06 at 4:45pm
Hey ADZ I have some questions for you since your a DT dealer. Right now my system consists of BP7002's mains,CLR2500 center,BPVXs surrounds and a supercubeII. I have an older pair of 2004's. Would putting those in the surround position add more to the system or am I better of staying with the BPVXs? My room is TOO small as of now but I am eventually going to turn my unused garage into a dedicated HT. I'm wondering if the 7002's would add anything to this system? I could put the 7002's in the surround position and then move the BPVX in the Dolby EX surround back position? What do you think? THanks J.H.
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post #1057 of 29303
12/24/06 at 5:10pm
Adz, can you tell us if you done install jobs that included the CLR 3000. Can you tell us more about your impressions of this speaker? I am really trying hard to justify buying one, so hype it up for Santa!
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post #1058 of 29303
12/25/06 at 5:50am
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Originally Posted by J.H. View Post

Hey ADZ I have some questions for you since your a DT dealer. Right now my system consists of BP7002's mains,CLR2500 center,BPVXs surrounds and a supercubeII. I have an older pair of 2004's. Would putting those in the surround position add more to the system or am I better of staying with the BPVXs? My room is TOO small as of now but I am eventually going to turn my unused garage into a dedicated HT. I'm wondering if the 7002's would add anything to this system? I could put the 7002's in the surround position and then move the BPVX in the Dolby EX surround back position? What do you think? THanks J.H.

Definitely (no pun intended) stick with the BPVXs for surrounds. Preferably 3 to 4, depending on room size, set-up, etc. But that's where a full Def Tech speaker set-up really shines and distinguish themselves from most other speaker technologies to create the most immersive surround sound experience I have ever heard.

The only upgrade I can see you do now is to upgrade your sub. Not sure why you have the SCII in that system as its likely preferable to run all low bass including LFE to the 7002s. Once you move into the larger garage, you should strongly consider upgrading the front soundstage to the 6.5" woofers (either the 7000SC or 7001SC, and the CLR3000), to match the BPVX surrounds. If you feel you still need a sub, then go with a Reference (or two) to handle LFE duties or go with another brand such as SVS, Velodyne, etc. (I have dual Velo DD18s handling all the LFE in my system).
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post #1059 of 29303
12/25/06 at 6:01am
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Originally Posted by bakpakva View Post

Adz, can you tell us if you done install jobs that included the CLR 3000. Can you tell us more about your impressions of this speaker? I am really trying hard to justify buying one, so hype it up for Santa!

Yes I have and a CLR3000 is in my showroom as well in a full Def Tech set-up. What do you use for mains? That's probably the biggest influencing factor. For me, if the job calls for a 7000 or 7001, I first consider if we can get another 00 or 01 tower in there. If not, then the 3000 is the next best choice.

I myself have tried other center channels along with my 7000SC mains, and those centers on a stand-alone basis would have bested the the 3000, but at the end of the day, it did not integrate as well and so I'm convinced now that to create a huge dynamic seamless front soundstage for home theater, its best to use timbre-matched identical drivers over mixing and matching various brands or even different drivers within the same line.
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post #1060 of 29303
12/25/06 at 6:18am
Adz,
I have a pair of 7001SC's as my mains, and a pair of BPX for surrounds. I probably would have gone with the BPVX but I got a good deal on the BPX and would have had to install electrical outlets. Perhaps when I go to a 7.1 surround I will add them.

Also, do you recommend running the LFE channel separately to the 7001's, bi-wiring, or just 2-wire? I don't think my HK-635 is designed for bi-wiring, and I am not sure I fully understand the actual benefits, though it sounds good in theory.

My other option is to buy a 2500, but I have read mixed reviews about it.
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post #1061 of 29303
12/25/06 at 7:28am
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Originally Posted by bakpakva View Post

Adz,
I have a pair of 7001SC's as my mains, and a pair of BPX for surrounds. I probably would have gone with the BPVX but I got a good deal on the BPX and would have had to install electrical outlets. Perhaps when I go to a 7.1 surround I will add them.

Also, do you recommend running the LFE channel separately to the 7001's, bi-wiring, or just 2-wire? I don't think my HK-635 is designed for bi-wiring, and I am not sure I fully understand the actual benefits, though it sounds good in theory.

My other option is to buy a 2500, but I have read mixed reviews about it.

The BPVX do not have a built in sub requiring an outlet. You are thinking of the powered version which is the BPVX/P.

To run LFE through the powered towers, you either: a. Set Subwoofer to Yes on your receiver/processor, Speakers set to Large, and run LFE cables to the towers using the "subout" on the receiver/processor. If you have only one subout, then you need a Y connector which is easy to find; or b. Set Subwoofer to No on your receiver/processor, and set speakers to Large, that's it. I'm not a bi-wire or tri-wire fan. Simple is best especially for home theater soundtracks.

As I mentioned in my previous post, if you love your Def Tech 7001s and don't want to change speaker lines, then in my opinion you have only three choices - No center or use either a CLR3000 or another 7001SC as your center.

I guess you could try a BPVX as a center channel - I can try that out and report back to everyone. That would double the mid range drivers and tweeters found in the CLR3000, but without a powered sub built-in. Its bi-polar with each cabinet direct radiating but firing at what I think is a 45' angle from the sweet spot.
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post #1062 of 29303
12/25/06 at 8:28am
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Originally Posted by Adz523 View Post

The BPVX do not have a built in sub requiring an outlet. You are thinking of the powered version which is the BPVX/P.

To run LFE through the powered towers, you either: a. Set Subwoofer to Yes on your receiver/processor, Speakers set to Large, and run LFE cables to the towers using the "subout" on the receiver/processor. If you have only one subout, then you need a Y connector which is easy to find; or b. Set Subwoofer to No on your receiver/processor, and set speakers to Large, that's it. I'm not a bi-wire or tri-wire fan. Simple is best especially for home theater soundtracks.

As I mentioned in my previous post, if you love your Def Tech 7001s and don't want to change speaker lines, then in my opinion you have only three choices - No center or use either a CLR3000 or another 7001SC as your center.

I guess you could try a BPVX as a center channel - I can try that out and report back to everyone. That would double the mid range drivers and tweeters found in the CLR3000, but without a powered sub built-in. Its bi-polar with each cabinet direct radiating but firing at what I think is a 45' angle from the sweet spot.


You are correct, I was thinking of the /P models. Right now I am using a small Infinity center, which is better than nothing I guess. It does help with the dialog over no center at all. I will have to save up all my gift cards and go with the CLR3000 someday soon. I don't think I would want to put a BPVX in the center, as it is bipolar. The option of another 7001 in the center sounds tempting, but it wouldn't reall work well in my configuration (with the FP screen and all).

Thank you for you information on these speakers. It is much better than reading the same marketing mantra on different sites.

I tried the LFE cabling when I first got my 7001's, but didn't really care for it. I seemed to get about the same effect when setting the speakers to LARGE, SUB ON and using the Sub out to feed my buttkicker amp and a PRO SUB 200 and smaller center speaker that is sitting in the center front area between the 7001's. When I get the 3000, I will probably get rid of the Pro 200 and existing center.

It seems that there is a lot of bass coming from the two front 7001's even though they are not connected to the LFE. Perhaps I am not using them to the full potential though if I don't connect the LFE cable. I thought that by setting my speakers to LARGE in the amp that I would be sending the full range signal, but perhaps I am not and the subs in the 7001's are not being fully utilized?
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post #1063 of 29303
12/25/06 at 5:11pm
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Originally Posted by bakpakva View Post

You are correct, I was thinking of the /P models. Right now I am using a small Infinity center, which is better than nothing I guess. It does help with the dialog over no center at all. I will have to save up all my gift cards and go with the CLR3000 someday soon. I don't think I would want to put a BPVX in the center, as it is bipolar. The option of another 7001 in the center sounds tempting, but it wouldn't reall work well in my configuration (with the FP screen and all).

Thank you for you information on these speakers. It is much better than reading the same marketing mantra on different sites.

I tried the LFE cabling when I first got my 7001's, but didn't really care for it. I seemed to get about the same effect when setting the speakers to LARGE, SUB ON and using the Sub out to feed my buttkicker amp and a PRO SUB 200 and smaller center speaker that is sitting in the center front area between the 7001's. When I get the 3000, I will probably get rid of the Pro 200 and existing center.

It seems that there is a lot of bass coming from the two front 7001's even though they are not connected to the LFE. Perhaps I am not using them to the full potential though if I don't connect the LFE cable. I thought that by setting my speakers to LARGE in the amp that I would be sending the full range signal, but perhaps I am not and the subs in the 7001's are not being fully utilized?

I tried using the lfe out of my pre/pro to my 2002tl's. I got better performence NOT using that setup. I am using 12 ga wire and setting my mains to large. You could use a clr 2500, not necessary to get a 3000 IMO...
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post #1064 of 29303
12/25/06 at 5:12pm
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Originally Posted by Adz523 View Post

Definitely (no pun intended) stick with the BPVXs for surrounds. Preferably 3 to 4, depending on room size, set-up, etc. But that's where a full Def Tech speaker set-up really shines and distinguish themselves from most other speaker technologies to create the most immersive surround sound experience I have ever heard.

The only upgrade I can see you do now is to upgrade your sub. Not sure why you have the SCII in that system as its likely preferable to run all low bass including LFE to the 7002s. Once you move into the larger garage, you should strongly consider upgrading the front soundstage to the 6.5" woofers (either the 7000SC or 7001SC, and the CLR3000), to match the BPVX surrounds. If you feel you still need a sub, then go with a Reference (or two) to handle LFE duties or go with another brand such as SVS, Velodyne, etc. (I have dual Velo DD18s handling all the LFE in my system).

Did I screw up when I put this system together? How important is it to make sure your woofers are the same size in the mains as they are in the surrounds? Thanks J.H.
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post #1065 of 29303
12/25/06 at 5:44pm
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Originally Posted by J.H. View Post

Did I screw up when I put this system together? How important is it to make sure your woofers are the same size in the mains as they are in the surrounds? Thanks J.H.


How important is it? Not extremely, but if you want to eek out obtain optimal performance, thats one thing that should be on your list (when it comes to the Def Tech line). Def Tech's line gives you the oppt'y to achieve this and the results are fantastic. So, you didn't screw up. I love the fact that you have the top dog BPVXs for surrounds.
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post #1066 of 29303
12/25/06 at 5:49pm
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I tried using the lfe out of my pre/pro to my 2002tl's. I got better performence NOT using that setup. I am using 12 ga wire and setting my mains to large. You could use a clr 2500, not necessary to get a 3000 IMO...

Of course you could, but the CLR3000 will absolutely yield better discernable sonic performance over the 2500 especially when integrated into a 7001 soundstage. That choice comes down to dollars and on a limited budget where they might be better spent. And with that, you can't go wrong with upgrading your speakers when you can swing it.
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post #1067 of 29303
12/25/06 at 9:30pm
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Originally Posted by Adz523 View Post

How important is it? Not extremely, but if you want to eek out obtain optimal performance, thats one thing that should be on your list (when it comes to the Def Tech line). Def Tech's line gives you the oppt'y to achieve this and the results are fantastic. So, you didn't screw up. I love the fact that you have the top dog BPVXs for surrounds.

Thanks for tghe advice. I will keep all this in mind. The BPVXs do rock. they really create a giant sound field in the surrounds. Its pretty impressive actually. DTs are just awesome speakers. J.H.
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post #1068 of 29303
12/26/06 at 7:57am
Anyone know the efficiency rating on the 7002's?
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post #1069 of 29303
12/26/06 at 10:05am
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Anyone know the efficiency rating on the 7002's?

I do because I own a pair. They are 92db which I was told is very good.
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post #1070 of 29303
12/26/06 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by Adz523 View Post

Of course you could, but the CLR3000 will absolutely yield better discernable sonic performance over the 2500 especially when integrated into a 7001 soundstage. That choice comes down to dollars and on a limited budget where they might be better spent. And with that, you can't go wrong with upgrading your speakers when you can swing it.

I agree, I think too many people try to save a buck on what is arguably the most important speaker in the room. DON'T SKIMP ON THE CENTER! I think like more than 75% of all soundtracks emanate from the center speaker, so this is the most important speaker in the chain.

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post #1071 of 29303
12/26/06 at 1:44pm
92db!

Holy Crap...yes that is very very good.

Now I am excited. I'm building a 50w per channel amp and that should drive them perfectly.
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post #1072 of 29303
12/26/06 at 9:53pm
Hey guys do any of you use the Yamaha RXV 2500 with the 7002's? If you do what settings do you use for them ? I have mine now set to large and the center to small with the sub to the Both setting and the rears to small and I'm using the LFE option to the subs with the crossover set to 80.. I have also set them all to the small setting and got good bass results . Thanks guys..
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post #1073 of 29303
12/27/06 at 5:43am
I have a setup that is very similar to yours, just slightly older models. I also have a dedicated sub, I donk know if you do. I have tried every conceivable setup over the past 7 years. What works best for me is;
12 ga directly from the speaker level output of my yamaha to my mains and center, no lfe separate connection, all set to large.
14 ga to rears, set to small.
lfe to svs 25-31 pci.
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post #1074 of 29303
12/27/06 at 6:26am
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Originally Posted by bakpakva View Post

You are correct, I was thinking of the /P models. Right now I am using a small Infinity center, which is better than nothing I guess. It does help with the dialog over no center at all. I will have to save up all my gift cards and go with the CLR3000 someday soon. I don't think I would want to put a BPVX in the center, as it is bipolar. The option of another 7001 in the center sounds tempting, but it wouldn't reall work well in my configuration (with the FP screen and all).

Thank you for you information on these speakers. It is much better than reading the same marketing mantra on different sites.

I tried the LFE cabling when I first got my 7001's, but didn't really care for it. I seemed to get about the same effect when setting the speakers to LARGE, SUB ON and using the Sub out to feed my buttkicker amp and a PRO SUB 200 and smaller center speaker that is sitting in the center front area between the 7001's. When I get the 3000, I will probably get rid of the Pro 200 and existing center.

It seems that there is a lot of bass coming from the two front 7001's even though they are not connected to the LFE. Perhaps I am not using them to the full potential though if I don't connect the LFE cable. I thought that by setting my speakers to LARGE in the amp that I would be sending the full range signal, but perhaps I am not and the subs in the 7001's are not being fully utilized?

Here's my setup -

2 - BP7001
1 - CLR2000 - 6.5 inch drivers / 1 tweeter / no sub
1 - Supercube Reference Sub
2 - BPX
2 - BPVX

The 7001's are about 30" off of the back and side walls and slightly toed in.

No special wiring other than the .1 channel going to the sub
Fronts set to Large
Marantz SR8500 crossed over at 80HZ and set to "Both"

I am still playing with the Sub and settings but I am quite happy with this setup for movies. The Haunting, WOTW, LOTR, Master and Commander and the LFE and DTS Demo DVDs are all very impressive.

I just "know" I can do better on the low end with a bit of room tuning and system tweakiing.

Has anyone tried a Velodyne SMS-1 on a Supercube Reference setup?
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post #1075 of 29303
12/27/06 at 8:33am
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Originally Posted by Adz523 View Post

.......As I mentioned in my previous post, if you love your Def Tech 7001s and don't want to change speaker lines, then in my opinion you have only three choices - No center or use either a CLR3000 or another 7001SC as your center.

Diver's post reminded me (and I should have added above) that you actually have four choices...the fourth one being the CLR2000 which is their non-powered center channel with 6.5" drivers. Its an excellent speaker when matched with the 7000 or 7001 and is much less expensive than the 3000. Sorry about that.
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post #1076 of 29303
12/27/06 at 10:05am
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Originally Posted by Adz523 View Post

Diver's post reminded me (and I should have added above) that you actually have four choices...the fourth one being the CLR2000 which is their non-powered center channel with 6.5" drivers. Its an excellent speaker when matched with the 7000 or 7001 and is much less expensive than the 3000. Sorry about that.

Thanks Adz, that might just be the ticket I was looking for. I really don't think I need more subs than I already have available in the Pro 200 and 7001's. I just wasn't sure the CLR2000 was worth buying. Glad to know I have that option!


Having a little trouble finding out much about the CLR 2000. Is it discontinued or something? Know of any reviews?
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post #1077 of 29303
12/27/06 at 11:35am
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Originally Posted by g_bartman View Post

I have a setup that is very similar to yours, just slightly older models. I also have a dedicated sub, I donk know if you do. I have tried every conceivable setup over the past 7 years. What works best for me is;
12 ga directly from the speaker level output of my yamaha to my mains and center, no lfe separate connection, all set to large.
14 ga to rears, set to small.
lfe to svs 25-31 pci.



Thanks a lot Bartman.. I think I will try mine with no lfe for awhile and see how they do with all set to large. I will let you no later what I think.
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post #1078 of 29303
12/27/06 at 9:08pm
I just purchased a set of Mythos Twos and Gems. I'm working on getting a Three for the center and a Supercube II. I plan on mounting the Twos and Three on the wall around a 92" Da-Lite Cinema Vision screen and shooting with a Panny PT-AX100U and mounting the Gems in the rear corners of the room. Couple of questions for all of you experts...

1) Anything special I need to do with the Supercube II? Settings or placement in room? Recommendation on cable? I need to go a minimum of 12' and would really like to go 30'.

2) I'm looking at a Denon 2807. I ran an HDMI cable to my projector and was looking for a 2in 1out HDMI receiver. Will this be a good match for these speakers or do you have other recommendations?

3) I'd love to run everything off RF remote. Any good suggestions?

Thanks!
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post #1079 of 29303
12/27/06 at 9:26pm
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3) I'd love to run everything off RF remote. Any good suggestions?

Hi there,

I have had good luck with the Harmony 890. I have one gripe with the organizibility of the soft buttons. However, an unprompted discussion of it showed up on their website, and when I complained (again) to tech support, they responded that they were working on it and that they had received a lot of "negative feedback." I guess that that's a good sign that they care somewhat about their current customers. It's not perfect (my wife and I agree that it's too slippery), but it's pretty close at the ~$250 price point.

I understand that the Harmony 1000 has come out recently, but there are relatively few hard buttons, and it looks kinda squarish -- not built for the hand. I would bet it will have some similarities with the 890 (the web interface, perhaps? some of the UI?), and it would also have some cool new stuff, like a touch screen. That might be another one to check out if you aren't sensitive to the ergonomic issues as I am.
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post #1080 of 29303
12/28/06 at 4:18am
Thanks for the response.

That is the one I've been looking at. I currently have the entry level remote (659?) for my upstairs and love the ergonomic design and soft buttons. Makes it soooo easy for the kids and grandparents to turn on everything correctly!

Do I have to purchase the RF Wireless Extender or is that included with the 890? I'm not a fan of the big bulky square 1000 so I'm leaning towards he 890. Just not sure if I have enough room in my cabinet to put the RF Wireless Extender in front of the components.

Any additional help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
Jason
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