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post #15001 of 29423
I want to purchase Definitive studio monitor 450's for the fronts center and rear channels. I have a sub already. I have always been told that 5 channels of the same speaker is the way to go, there all matched. Since I can get a pair of 450's for $350.00, I can get an entire speaker set up for under $1000.00. Is this a good idea and is this a good speaker, itself?
post #15002 of 29423
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Originally Posted by SlobbyBobby View Post

I want to purchase Definitive studio monitor 450's for the fronts center and rear channels. I have a sub already. I have always been told that 5 channels of the same speaker is the way to go, there all matched. Since I can get a pair of 450's for $350.00, I can get an entire speaker set up for under $1000.00. Is this a good idea and is this a good speaker, itself?

I think it's a great idea! The 450s are amazing performers. What sub are you matching them with?
post #15003 of 29423
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Originally Posted by SlobbyBobby View Post

I want to purchase Definitive studio monitor 450's for the fronts center and rear channels. I have a sub already. I have always been told that 5 channels of the same speaker is the way to go, there all matched. Since I can get a pair of 450's for $350.00, I can get an entire speaker set up for under $1000.00. Is this a good idea and is this a good speaker, itself?

I picked up a pair of 450s for a second system and they sound great - have 350s as surrounds in my main system.

If you are near a 6th Ave Electronics store you need to stop in as they have an even better deal that you mentioned. See if you can look at their online ads as it was recently advertised. Maybe you can even convince them to give you that price over the phone if you are too far away. PM me and I'll tell you what the price was.
post #15004 of 29423
I just saw your post and called 6th Ave and the great price is available only for in-store pickup. For a minute I thought I won a lottery...oh well.

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Originally Posted by RC1991 View Post

I picked up a pair of 450s for a second system and they sound great - have 350s as surrounds in my main system.

If you are near a 6th Ave Electronics store you need to stop in as they have an even better deal that you mentioned. See if you can look at their online ads as it was recently advertised. Maybe you can even convince them to give you that price over the phone if you are too far away. PM me and I'll tell you what the price was.
post #15005 of 29423
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Originally Posted by SlobbyBobby View Post

I want to purchase Definitive studio monitor 450's for the fronts center and rear channels. I have a sub already. I have always been told that 5 channels of the same speaker is the way to go, there all matched. Since I can get a pair of 450's for $350.00, I can get an entire speaker set up for under $1000.00. Is this a good idea and is this a good speaker, itself?

Where did you find the 450's, is it an online store?
post #15006 of 29423
Guys,
Whereas before, I used to listen to more movies that music. But now, it turned the other way around. I barely watch movies/TV anymore, more on music. In this regard, I'm planning to upgrade my front speakers (PM 800) as I can see (and hear) they are not up to the task of delivering the music. I want to hear something more! I have a good deal with the SM 450's and BP6b's for almost the same price. I am leaning on the BP6 as I won't be needing stands if I purchase the 450's. Not to mention that BP6 are towers as compared to the 450 which are bookshelf speakers. Please share your thought as regards to which pair to get, performance and sound quality wise. Bear in mind that I cannot audition both because there is no store in the country where I can do so, so I'll just rely on your suggestions and experiences regarding the speakers in comparison. I'm planning to get also the most affordable of the EMOTVA line, the UPA-2 stereo power amp (holiday sale) http://www.emotiva.com/upa2.shtm to compliment my upcoming upgrade and use my receiver's pre-out for the fronts. Here we go to the never ending process of upgrading!
post #15007 of 29423
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Originally Posted by p6889k View Post

I just saw your post and called 6th Ave and the great price is available only for in-store pickup. For a minute I thought I won a lottery...oh well.

That's too bad - keep an eye out for their name your price deal. If they have it coming up again soon you may be able to get that price or close to it. I got a great deal on a Mythos 8 that way though I usually just go to the store.
post #15008 of 29423
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

I think it's a great idea! The 450s are amazing performers. What sub are you matching them with?

Right now I have an 10 inch NHT sub. I plan on getting a super cube, before long
post #15009 of 29423
^ don't get me going on the 450's...LOL

Folks round here know how much I laud them. A 5 or 7 channel system of them and a capable subwoofer would surely deliver 9/10 sound in all but the largest rooms.

Excellent choice.


James
post #15010 of 29423
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Originally Posted by RC1991 View Post

That's too bad - keep an eye out for their name your price deal. If they have it coming up again soon you may be able to get that price or close to it. I got a great deal on a Mythos 8 that way though I usually just go to the store.


Is there someone on the thread here who lives near a 6th ave that would perhaps make the purchase and ship them? I'd do it for nothing (outside of shipping costs) if I did.

It's one box and no more than $30, ground, to ship.

Paypal makes these things very easy. Take the in-store price + $50 ($20 for the bloke helping out for an hour). Done. I know they're available elswhere for $350ish, so I'm not sure how much you'd save, but you WOULD have warranty protection, as 6th ave is an authorized dealer. That adds value.

Something to consider.


James
post #15011 of 29423
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

Is there someone on the thread here who lives near a 6th ave that would perhaps make the purchase and ship them? I'd do it for nothing if I did.

It's one box and no more than $30, ground, to ship.

Paypal makes these things very easy. Take the in-store price + $50 ($20 for the bloke helping out for an hour), done.


James

I would very happy If someone could do this for me. Thank you.
post #15012 of 29423
Just as an update to my Trinity re-build, DT sent me the POWER section of the amp instead of the PRE amp plate. When I called to let them know about the error, Chet told me I could KEEP the power section and they'd ship out the preamp plate today!

how awesome is that? I'll prolly replace the old with the new anyway, but now I'll have a back-up just in case.

Now, everything will be new except the drivers which are in pristine condition.


This terrible shipping nightmare seems to get a bit brighter everyday!

James
post #15013 of 29423
It seems like everybody who mentions talking to DT directly has talked with Chet. The same is true for me. I have called 3 times so far and now I wait thru the directory so I can get straight to him... I have 7001 towers and tore the spiders in both 10" sub drivers. I talked to him and he sent me 3 new 10" drivers! I have since found a way to repair the torn spiders and now have 5 working subs! Thanks chet!!
post #15014 of 29423
Anybody know where I can go to get internal wiring schematics for various DT speakers? the bpvx in particular. Maybe I should call Chet! Also, does anyone know if the wattage handling powers listed on DT's website are peak or rms handling? I have the 2 7001 towers, clr 3000 and bpvx's for rears and am trying to figure out if they can handle 200 wpc rms.
post #15015 of 29423
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Originally Posted by Sideofpotatos View Post

It seems like everybody who mentions talking to DT directly has talked with Chet. The same is true for me. I have called 3 times so far and now I wait thru the directory so I can get straight to him... I have 7001 towers and tore the spiders in both 10" sub drivers. I talked to him and he sent me 3 new 10" drivers! I have since found a way to repair the torn spiders and now have 5 working subs! Thanks chet!!

What are spiders? And how do they get torn?
post #15016 of 29423
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Originally Posted by htotay View Post

Guys,
Whereas before, I used to listen to more movies that music. But now, it turned the other way around. I barely watch movies/TV anymore, more on music. In this regard, I'm planning to upgrade my front speakers (PM 800) as I can see (and hear) they are not up to the task of delivering the music. I want to hear something more! I have a good deal with the SM 450's and BP6b's for almost the same price. I am leaning on the BP6 as I won't be needing stands if I purchase the 450's. Not to mention that BP6 are towers as compared to the 450 which are bookshelf speakers. Please share your thought as regards to which pair to get, performance and sound quality wise. Bear in mind that I cannot audition both because there is no store in the country where I can do so, so I'll just rely on your suggestions and experiences regarding the speakers in comparison. I'm planning to get also the most affordable of the EMOTVA line, the UPA-2 stereo power amp (holiday sale) http://www.emotiva.com/upa2.shtm to compliment my upcoming upgrade and use my receiver's pre-out for the fronts. Here we go to the never ending process of upgrading!

Anybody? I guess it's a no-brainer for the BP6b after reading most of the threads here.
post #15017 of 29423
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Originally Posted by Sideofpotatos View Post

Anybody know where I can go to get internal wiring schematics for various DT speakers? the bpvx in particular. Maybe I should call Chet! Also, does anyone know if the wattage handling powers listed on DT's website are peak or rms handling? I have the 2 7001 towers, clr 3000 and bpvx's for rears and am trying to figure out if they can handle 200 wpc rms.

Technically, their power handling ratings lend themselves to RMS, seeing their recommendations are connected with the phrase "amplifiers rated for", but there are no absolutes. All of the above models will perform admirably with 200 clean watts of power. Although bear in mind that, in an average sized room, this amount of power would likely yield SPL's in excess of 100db's ATLP, likely with some compression going on. Quite loud by any standard and actually, harmful over extended periods.

As far as wiring schematics, what is it you desire specifically? I've taken apart and assembled numerous DT models and their "connectedness" is about as straightforward as you can get.

James
post #15018 of 29423
spiders are the corrigated fabriccy type coil that connects the bottom of the cone to the speaker housing. The little wires travel across it to get to the center of the speaker. Mine got torn from pushing them too hard. If you've ever seen the surround on this speaker it would be obvious that there is no way it's going to tear which is what usually gives out when a speaker "goes."
post #15019 of 29423
Sorry, don't know how to "quote" properly.

As far as wiring schematics, what is it you desire specifically? I've taken apart and assembled numerous DT models and their "connectedness" is about as straightforward as you can get.

James
I pulled apart my 7001 towers (the top portion anyway) to see how the 4 6.5" drivers and 2 tweeters were wired to the crossover. It seems that each pair of 6.5's are wired in series and the two pair are parallel with respect to each other. I am building bpvx's and have the right speakers and crossovers and am not sure if they are wired the same as the 7001's. There are only enough wires coming off the crossover to directly hook 8 of the needed 12 connections for all 6 speakers in the bpvx. I am wondering if I need to get a series jumper for each side to make the proper connections.

Also, what are SPL's and ATLP's?
post #15020 of 29423
go here for a picture of the spider, my description sucks...

https://www.storesonlinepro.com/file...ded-woofer.jpg
post #15021 of 29423
good grief, with the experience I have tearing apart and rebuilding DT loudspeakers, as far as their construction/composition, consistently destroying the spiders would almost certainly constitute over (or improperly) driving the loudspeaker.

Your description is fine if one can visualize a typical dynamic loudspeaker. Specifically, the spider connects the innermost area of the diaphragm (or sometimes, the voice coil) to the basket and supplies the bulk of tension in opposition to the surround.

Consistently, I have found the spider construction with DT speakers to be unusually over-built for drivers of their type/cost/purpose. Although it is true that they would likely fail before their tough-as-nails surrounds, the types of SPL's that would likely be needed to be generated to cause failure are typically beyond the scope of even the most advanced home theaters in medium to large rooms.

My guess is you will continue to drive them to failure if nothing in your usage behavior changes.

Perhaps pro gear would be better suited to your environment?

James
post #15022 of 29423
It's not that bad, it only happened once and only to the 2 sub drivers and it was because my friend and I were playing halo3 on it at near max output for 10 hrs straight! I know how to avoid in the future, I will also probably be adding a stand alone sub soon (I am leaning towards the trinity but have not heard one yet).

Any insight on those wiring schematics?
post #15023 of 29423
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Originally Posted by Sideofpotatos View Post

Sorry, don't know how to "quote" properly.

As far as wiring schematics, what is it you desire specifically? I've taken apart and assembled numerous DT models and their "connectedness" is about as straightforward as you can get.

James
I pulled apart my 7001 towers (the top portion anyway) to see how the 4 6.5" drivers and 2 tweeters were wired to the crossover. It seems that each pair of 6.5's are wired in series and the two pair are parallel with respect to each other. I am building bpvx's and have the right speakers and crossovers and am not sure if they are wired the same as the 7001's. There are only enough wires coming off the crossover to directly hook 8 of the needed 12 connections for all 6 speakers in the bpvx. I am wondering if I need to get a series jumper for each side to make the proper connections.

Also, what are SPL's and ATLP's?

My recollection (and intuition) tends to have me agree with you in regards to you assertions in respect to the 7001.

As for the BPVX's, I would be inclined to believe that they would also be connected in a series (the fore and aft drivers), but the absence of the jumpers with the crossovers is a bit disconcerting. However, if you purchased them from another source, their non-inclusion is probably nothing to be surprised by. NO harm in calling DT to qualify the proper array.

SPL: Sound pressure level ATLP: at the listening position.

Good luck with the BPVX's...I'm sure you saved a bundle.


James
post #15024 of 29423
Sideofpototoes: You just hit the QUOTE button in the lower left corner of the post you want to reference, and then type your response after it. (You can clip/edit the quote as well, as long as you leave the bracketed "quote" intact at either end.)
post #15025 of 29423
Guys please help me decide. I can get a pair of 450's from a local person for $225 (barely used). But I've been looking at the SVS/HSU speakers. Do you think 450 can outperform the SVS STS-01/SCS-01 or HSU HB-1 MK2? Should I pull the trigger?

Also if I were to go 450, what would be the perfect entry level center speaker to match it?
post #15026 of 29423
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Originally Posted by toptalent View Post

Guys please help me decide. I can get a pair of 450's from a local person for $225 (barely used). But I've been looking at the SVS/HSU speakers. Do you think 450 can outperform the SVS STS-01/SCS-01 or HSU HB-1 MK2? Should I pull the trigger?

Also if I were to go 450, what would be the perfect entry level center speaker to match it?

never heard the other speakers but that's an incredible price for the 450's

i have the 350's and they sound amazing for their size, the 450's should even sound better
post #15027 of 29423
Thank you progprog.

Mastermaybe: have you seen the guy on ebay "bajawaverunner" who is selling all DT spare parts? He seems to have everything, although it's not all necessarily listed. I bought enough parts to make 3 bpvx's for under $600 total. I know he was selling trinities complete for $1800 (no warranty I'm sure). His email is from directed.com and directed electronics is where my speakers came from when DT sent to me. I wonder if DT is liquidating the warehouse?

On the speaker issue, I guess I could just wire the speakers together and see which setup induces an 8 ohm load, probably the series/parallel hybrid like the 7001.
post #15028 of 29423
Another guy contemplating the 450's, LOL.

I've never heard the STS-01's or the SCS 01's for that matter. Ditto for the HSU.

Obviously the STS-01's are a tower model and will offer a more substantial bottom end, but they're also $750 a pair plus shipping. I'm certain they offer great sound.

The more comparable SCS 01's I do not doubt are a fine speaker, but without the soundscan tweeter, I doubt they'll even match never mind exceed the 450's overall. And they're prolly $350+ shipped. Sounds a bit biased I know, but I'm just using my past experiences as a baseline.

In the end without being able to hear any of them, it's a bit of a crapshoot. Thankfully all are well-constructed and will likely satisfy you either way.

Without listening to any of the three, it's impossible to form a solid opinion.

That said, I still feel the DT 450's are right up their with the finest compact loudspeakers I've ever heard, and I've heard dozens and dozens Literally.


And at $225, in good shape, how can you beat them?

good luck,

James
post #15029 of 29423
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Originally Posted by Sideofpotatos View Post

Thank you progprog.

Mastermaybe: have you seen the guy on ebay "bajawaverunner" who is selling all DT spare parts? He seems to have everything, although it's not all necessarily listed. I bought enough parts to make 3 bpvx's for under $600 total. I know he was selling trinities complete for $1800 (no warranty I'm sure). His email is from directed.com and directed electronics is where my speakers came from when DT sent to me. I wonder if DT is liquidating the warehouse?

On the speaker issue, I guess I could just wire the speakers together and see which setup induces an 8 ohm load, probably the series/parallel hybrid like the 7001.

I have a strong inclination that "he" IS DT and they move product out of the "baja" to avoid conflicting with contracts they have with their US dealers.

Think the stuff skips right across the border to Vista CA and ships there.

James
post #15030 of 29423
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Originally Posted by Sideofpotatos View Post

Thank you progprog.

Mastermaybe: have you seen the guy on ebay "bajawaverunner" who is selling all DT spare parts? He seems to have everything, although it's not all necessarily listed. I bought enough parts to make 3 bpvx's for under $600 total. I know he was selling trinities complete for $1800 (no warranty I'm sure). His email is from directed.com and directed electronics is where my speakers came from when DT sent to me. I wonder if DT is liquidating the warehouse?

On the speaker issue, I guess I could just wire the speakers together and see which setup induces an 8 ohm load, probably the series/parallel hybrid like the 7001.

i noticed that too

makes me think they are dumping the whole bp line soon

he doesn't seem to be selling many mythos items

look at this listing:

Definitive Technology BP7000SC BLACK CABINETS LOT of 20 $899
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