Definitive Owners Thread - Page 506

It's kind of hard to picture what you are describing. Bi polar speakers produce a lot of output from the rear of the speaker. Anything that interfears with that can hava a negative effect on sound quality.

I have a problem with my BP2000's, Reference sub and a pair of BPVX/P's. They never shut off. The sub will shut off but after approx. 2 hrs. of inactivity. I always hear a slight buzzing sound from the 2000's if I put my ear up to the speaker. The BPVX/P's turn on as soon as I plug them (red light on back is lit and I hear a slight buzzing sound) in with everything else turned off. Is this normal or do I have to unplug everything after each use?

Ken

What are your opinions regarding buying Def Techs on ebay?

Is it too risky?

Just looking for a good place to get good prices.

I have two BP2Xs that i can not hang on the wall (i have a large winndow on one side). Can you please recommend speaker stands for them that are at least 4 feet tall.

If i can not place BP2Xs on speaker stands, i will have to purchase a different set of speakers. Can you please recommend some that will mount on speaker stands. In this scenario, can I use the BP2X for front highs?

Thanks.

Almost all my speakers came from Ebay. Most new and in the box and one used in mint condition. Everything works perfectly to this day. Paid approx half of retail. YMMV

I bought my surrounds on eBay. I'd be sure to check the seller rating and avoid any with complaints of missing serial numbers. Personally, I like buying from individuals, not those shady-looking power sellers that don't even tell you where the item is located.

this is just me, but i prefer buying from a B&M store...

i realize i pay a premium, but i like listening before i buy. most all on this thread love the sound of def-techs, but that does'nt mean you will...

i also like the security afforded by an authorized dealer, and have experienced first-hand the help that can be offered by a quality store.

most dealers these days will work with you on price, but i don't believe you'll be able to save near what you will on ebay...

you makes yer choices and you takes yer picks...

the bp2000s are always on unless you turn them off manually with the switch

there should be no buzzing sound coming from them. you should check all your grounds especially the cable tv ground

I have already gone into Best Buy and listening to the setup that I want to buy. I know how it sounds and I really like it.

Now I just need to find the best prices...

well...I went back to the clr2002. created some space and could not be happier.

the pc1000 was not cutting it

now i just need to upgrade my fronts (from klipsch synergy)

As with many other components in your HT, there's typically a trade-off between lowest price and purchase protection. Generally speaking, you'll have no warranty coverage buying from an eBay reseller, or obviously if you go the lowest-price route and buy used. If you pay a little more through a B&M dealer, knowing you're covered should anything fail in the speakers (things can and do go wrong....) has some value as well.

I'm assembling 5.1 system. I bought Pioneer VSX-23TXH receiver, SM450 for Front L+R, Super Cube I, will buy either CLR2002 or 2500 for center.

Was planning on BP1.2X or BP2X for surrounds, but they are not good aesthetic fit for my room (wife). As an alternative I may have to buy white PM 1000 instead. Do you think PM1000 surrounds would work well with what I have? Are there any other surround alternatives that are white, not larger than PM1000 and can be installed on a wall in a corner? Are there any other brands to consider?

Hey man. Just saw the following that might work for you.

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...hnology-bp1-2x

What size is your room? I am putting together a very similar Def Tech setup.

I saw these too, but they are too large to be approved by my wife. My room is 18x20 and double height ceiling. It's open to the rear and left side.

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after reading this thread i don't know if i'd ever get anything heavy over ebay

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1201501

You have a large space... large space needs a larger speaker. It's one thing to say just go ahead and get the PM1000 cause it's better than anything that's even smaller, but It's another thing to recommend it.
I'd recommend a BP2X... at the least. Or maybe a SM350.
Perhaps your other half would be willing to work with you if your case were presented better.
A home theater setup can enhance your homes entertainment quality that will be valued by not only you and your spouse, but your friends and family.

Would any of the DefTech in-wall speakers be a good match? How about UIW BPZ/A - it has the 6 1/2 bipolar drivers?

Great idea!!!
Yes, there's quite a selection of Def Tech in-walls that would work, the UIW BPZ/A would be an excellent choice. I have no past experience with in-walls, so calling Def Tech or speaking with an experience installer or others with some hands-on experience is something that I would do if I were you.

the bp1.2x is about as small as you're going to find for a bi/dipolar surround. i have a set, and they are really quite compact and not unattractive when hung cleanly (ie: hidden wires).

but WAF is WAF, i realize. if they won't fly, that's all there is. however, i strongly recommend external speakers (not in-wall) if at all possible. the sound quality is far superior. [aside: how can an in-wall be bipolar? wouldn't they be firing into the wall cavity, at least partially? i'll have to look those up...]

Smallest bipolar surrounds I've seen are the Sunfire CRM-2BIP.

They should pass the WAF easily, although I'm not sure how great they would mate with your potential system given that they have a ribbon tweeter and 4.5" woofers.

But, boy do they look nice.

Anyone have any experience with these?

My concern was that 4.5" mids wouldn't have the hair to do justice to a room that's 18'x20'x~16'. That's big.
I believe the in-walls with the 6.5" mids would be the the perfect solution to a WAF/sonically correct situation.
BTW, if you look at the Def Tech web site and go to the in-walls, you'll see that the UIW BPZ/A and most all multi-mid range in-walls are bipolar. This is also true of the Gems and GemXL surrounds from the Mythos series. They all have offset drivers firing in phase. Whether they are the same degree of offset as the BP*X series... I dunno.
Actually, there's this guy I know from Rushville, Ill. that has recently installed some in-walls to his dedicated HT room, even though he has access to most of the entire line of Def Techs in his closet . Maybe he'll chime in with some hands-on info to the quality of in-walls.

Thanks lodit.
Those are nice. According to their literature, this surround is the only one currently manufactured as a bipole with a ribbon tweeter.

I emailed Chet at DefTech and he recommended either the UIW BP/A line or PM1000. Not sure why he chose UIW BP/A vs UIW BPZ/A. I asked him also about GemXLs and he said that he would recommend the PM1000 instead, saying that it would produce as good sound for much less $. I've now sent him another email asking about any negatives for the in-wall speakers.

Hey, HFHE, I'm back from vacation . Thanks for the shout-out!

Bipolar in-walls, hmmm... Well, they are indeed bipolar, but the angle is much more shallow than my tried-and-true BPX's. They do function as bipolars however, since they do stick out approx. 1/2" - 1" from the wall surface. If anyone goes in-wall, I strongly suggest heavy insulation in the cavity that the speaker will sit to minimize resonance. As long as that is done, they perform extremely well for surround duty. I personally would never use in-walls for my front soundstage (not judging anyone else), primarily because I would be unable to switch out speakers as I enjoy doing. However, for surround use (I use in-walls now for both sides and backs in my theater, BPZ/A's for the sides and UIW 75's for the rears) without intruding physically into the room, they perform very well. I've always used BPX's and/or SM350's for surrounds previously (also trying BP2x's), so the in-walls had to perform comparatively for me to keep them, and they did quite well (and are still in place).

Long story short, if you're looking for lower-profile speakers that do well for surround duty, I can comfortably recommend the DT in-walls, remembering that proper construction of the wall cavity will help the speakers perform their best.

i completely agree. my point was only that if the bp1.2x didn't pass WAF due to size, there really aren't very many on wall solutions smaller.

those in-walls look like a good solution to 688s situation, but i bet the bpvx sounds better...

That's easy money

Thanks Keith,
Great info.

Here's an interesting response from Chet regarding PM 1000 vs in-walls:

"Aesthetics aside, I would recommend using our UIW BPZ/As or UIW BP/As. Their bipolar design would provide a greater sense of spaciousness and a greater surround sensation. (The UIW BP/As would perform comparably to the BP2Xs, and the UIW BPZ/As would perform a bit better than that.)"

What gauge wire should I be using to connect my Denon 1610 to Def Tech speakers?

SM350, CLR2002, BP2X, sub unknown.

Ok...before another hot debate begins on speaker wire, try this first:

Buy the most affordable, best looking cable to your eyes that meets the minimum gauge requirements for the length of speaker wire you're going to run from your receiver to your farthest-most speaker.

Generally, there is no need to go thicker than 16g if the distance between your receiver and speakers is less than 45 ft, but for peace of mind and to quell any doubts of "losing" sound quality many opt for 14g or even 12g.

Although I'll stress again, you won't notice an appreciable difference except psychologically. (Those with bionic ears will swear there's floating notes in the music that mere mortals can't pick up without buying million dollar wires).

So, to sum up:

16g for insulated wire runs < 45 ft.
Pick your color and buy the most affordable wire that meets the aforementioned criteria.

Good luck.