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post #15211 of 30938
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Originally Posted by adammb View Post

I was not going to consider the clr's on price alone. If I was going to spend that I would just get towers but I dont want that.

unless you can find a used pair of clr1000b's (or even clr2000s)

those would be better and probably cheaper than the sm450s
post #15212 of 30938
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Originally Posted by jdvachal View Post

Long time lurker here ...
First of all let me thank you all for the great information provided here.

The theater/media room build is nearing completion and its about time to start ordering the components. Here is what I have come up with thus far.

BP7002 - Front Left and Right
C/L/R 2500 - Center

I had all but decided to go with BPX's for the side surrounds, and back surrounds but when I started researching an indeal speaker for the front height channels I am starting to rethink my choice of surrounds. Would a pair of BP2X's as the front height be over powered by the BPX's? I hate to spend another 800-1000 hight speakers if I dont have to.

Well, you don't have to. Keep on mind that it's an entirely processed channel that doesn't exist in your source material. If you want to add that to your system, fair enough, but I would concentrate on getting the best-matched basic 7.1 system you can assemble, and look at the height speakers as an add-on. They shouldn't dictate the quality or performance of the other components. The BPXs are a good match for the 5¼" drivers in your towers, and I can't speak to how well the BPX2s compare. I would note, though, that many feel direct radiators work better for the rear channels. Schroedk recently posted about having made the comparison in one of his setups and noted that bipolars in all four surround positions created too much diffusion.
post #15213 of 30938
YIKES...I am just a beginner and have been piecing my system together too.

I was just about to purchase a pair of BP2X's too, for my two rear surrounds in a 5.1 set up. But now, I am not sure since I am just realizing that some feel the bi-polars are not good for the rear surrounds?

I have a pair of 2002 TL's for the fronts. I have a mint C/L/R 2002 center and a mint C/L/R 2000 center. I am going to try both and see which one sounds better. Now for the surrounds. Should I get the 450's instead. I do not understand how all of this audio works.
post #15214 of 30938
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Originally Posted by Dave41200 View Post

YIKES...I am just a beginner and have been piecing my system together too.

I was just about to purchase a pair of BP2X's too, for my two rear surrounds in a 5.1 set up. But now, I am not sure since I am just realizing that some feel the bi-polars are not good for the rear surrounds?

I have a pair of 2002 TL's for the fronts. I have a mint C/L/R 2002 center and a mint C/L/R 2000 center. I am going to try both and see which one sounds better. Now for the surrounds. Should I get the 450's instead. I do not understand how all of this audio works.

No, let me clarify that I was specifically talking about 7.1 systems, which include both side and rear surrounds. In those systems, having bipolars on the sides and direct-radiators in the back appears to be preferable. (I believe this is also the Dolby recommendation...might be THX, not sure.)

In a 5.1 system like yours and mine, there is one set of surrounds, and bipolars work great for those.
post #15215 of 30938
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Originally Posted by jdvachal View Post

Long time lurker here ...
First of all let me thank you all for the great information provided here.

The theater/media room build is nearing completion and its about time to start ordering the components. Here is what I have come up with thus far.

BP7002 - Front Left and Right
C/L/R 2500 - Center

I had all but decided to go with BPX's for the side surrounds, and back surrounds but when I started researching an indeal speaker for the front height channels I am starting to rethink my choice of surrounds. Would a pair of BP2X's as the front height be over powered by the BPX's? I hate to spend another 800-1000 hight speakers if I dont have to.

The BP7002/CLR2500 will be a great setup. I would urge you to get the BPX for the fourth & fifth channel. Fantastic speaker that just rules the surround field.
As far as the sixth & seventh channel and the height/effects speakers, perhaps a different strategy could be used;
Start with a 5.1 setup consisting of BP7002, CLR2500, And BPX. Then pick up a pair of SM350s. This speaker can work in either the back surround or in the height position. After some experimenting, you'll have a good idea on what sounds best to you and/or has enough merit and benefit to it to go forward with.
Frankly, I would be more concerned if height speakers add anything more than the BP7002s don't already give you with its bipolar front sound stage. I suspect that the surround speakers would in no way affect the performance of the front height speakers.
post #15216 of 30938
Hello Prog...Thanks for the clarification. I will now buy the BP2X to complete my system.

By the way, if anyone is looking to buy a C/L/R center speaker in mint 9/10 condition, someone is selling one on Audiogon. Price is excellent, plus, the person is accepting offers. Thought this might help someone.
post #15217 of 30938
From Def Tech's site:
"Bipolar Surrounds are the Easiest to Use
Definitive's bipolar surrounds are designed for easy and unobtrusive placement in your room. Easy-to-use mounting plates are included for wall mounting. Positioning is non-critical; unlike dipolar surrounds, which are limited by their specific sidewall placement requirements, Definitive's bipolars may be located on the sides or rear of the room (or both as in 6.1 and 7.1 channel installations) or on the ceiling. They may be mounted on the rear wall (with their front drivers shooting towards each other and their rear drivers shooting toward the side walls) with excellent results."

Does that mean if I use a set of say BP30's for my rear surrounds, I should face the drivers toward the side walls and each other, not towards the front and rear?
post #15218 of 30938
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Originally Posted by Felton007 View Post

From Def Tech's site:
"Bipolar Surrounds are the Easiest to Use
Definitive's bipolar surrounds are designed for easy and unobtrusive placement in your room. Easy-to-use mounting plates are included for wall mounting. Positioning is non-critical; unlike dipolar surrounds, which are limited by their specific sidewall placement requirements, Definitive's bipolars may be located on the sides or rear of the room (or both as in 6.1 and 7.1 channel installations) or on the ceiling. They may be mounted on the rear wall (with their front drivers shooting towards each other and their rear drivers shooting toward the side walls) with excellent results."

Does that mean if I use a set of say BP30's for my rear surrounds, I should face the drivers toward the side walls and each other, not towards the front and rear?

That's a heck-of-a question and a helluva observation. I've always understood those statements by Def Tech to be referring to bipolar surrounds. In the last sentence, in the parenthesis; "(with their front drivers shooting towards each other and their rear drivers shooting toward the side walls)", that could definitely be referring to towers. Unless it's a typo.

Well Felton, as you can tell by my response... I don't know . And I've never heard of anyone doing this. It would be interesting to here Chets thoughts.
post #15219 of 30938
i'm using bp30s as surrounds right now in my 5.1 set-up (my bp2000s are laying on the floor around my chair for some odd reason)

the bp30s are about 4 or 5 feet away from me off to the sides and about a foot or so back so that they are pointing right at me (if 90s degrees is directly to the sides and 180 directly behind me i'd say they are about 110 to 120 degrees from the listening position)



i get a nice phantom rear image like that, sounds like there are speakers right behind me when sound pans from one surround to the other
post #15220 of 30938
And they are angled directly toward you?
post #15221 of 30938
Hi all,

I have been doing a lot of reading. There is so much information here it is sometimes overwelming. I have pieced together a HT 7.1 speaker system that is within my budget and would appreciate any feedback/opinions from the many knowledgable people at this web site.

Right now I am considering:

Mythos 9 for the LF, RF, and center. Wife does not want floor standing.
BP2x for the sides
Gems for the rears
SVS PC12-NSD for sub.

Enclosed is the layout of the room and approx. speaker positions. Ceiling is 10 feet all around. I will be listening 80% HT (BD and SAT) and 20% music.

Any opinions/suggestions?

 

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post #15222 of 30938
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

And they are angled directly toward you?

yeah i have the tweeters aimed right at my ears

i've tried them many different ways and that seems to be my preference
post #15223 of 30938
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Originally Posted by mlytwyn View Post

Hi all,

I have been doing a lot of reading. There is so much information here it is sometimes overwelming. I have pieced together a HT 7.1 speaker system that is within my budget and would appreciate any feedback/opinions from the many knowledgable people at this web site.

Right now I am considering:

Mythos 9 for the LF, RF, and center. Wife does not want floor standing.
BP2x for the sides
Gems for the rears
SVS PC12-NSD for sub.

Enclosed is the layout of the room and approx. speaker positions. Ceiling is 10 feet all around. I will be listening 80% HT (BD and SAT) and 20% music.

Any opinions/suggestions?

I would second all Schroedk's recommendations from when you asked a few days ago, including forgoing the rear channel ceiling speakers.

PS: I would note that I think the seating placement in your diagram may be a little unrealistic. I have a similar-sized room, and the main couch is much closer to the back wall. Putting right in the middle of the room like that would have us about 6' from the display....way too close.
post #15224 of 30938
Does anyone know why the BPVX costs more than the BP7006?
post #15225 of 30938
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Originally Posted by 1990 View Post

Does anyone know why the BPVX costs more than the BP7006?

More expensive 6.5" drivers times four. Whereas the BP7006 has two 4.5" mids.
post #15226 of 30938
Schroedk and ProgProg appreciate your input.

Based on Schroedk comments I pulled out the ceiling speakers and since I have the backs hanging from the ceiling I pulled out the in wall sides I was previously thinking of.

My new configuration:
Mythos 9 for the LF, RF, and center. Wife is now saying if you want floor standing go ahead.
BP2x for the sides
SVS PC12-NSD for sub.

Gems for the rears hanging from ceiling. Note the people in the octagonal room by the bar miss out with direct radiators rears. Would BP be better in this case?
post #15227 of 30938
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Originally Posted by headedforhighend View Post

More expensive 6.5" drivers times four. Whereas the BP7006 has two 4.5" mids.

That is true but the BP7006 has a subwoofer driver, two passive radiators, an amplifier, a more complex crossover and more wood.

It's also twice the weight which means it probably costs more for Def Tech to ship them to the dealers.
post #15228 of 30938
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Originally Posted by 1990 View Post

That is true but the BP7006 has a subwoofer driver, two passive radiators, an amplifier, a more complex crossover and more wood.

It's also twice the weight which means it probably costs more for Def Tech to ship them to the dealers.

Yes, the sub, PRs, and amp bring the price of the BP7006 to nearly the same cost as the BPVX. The cost of MDF and shipping, however, have no real bearing, and I wouldn't say the crossover design of the BP7006, although different, to be any more costly.
The cost of the BP10B is nearly the same as the BP7006 with no sub/PR/amp and the same number of mids, so there is a considerable amount of the cost based on the drivers.
Do you feel the cost of the BPVX or the BP7006 is too high or in some way out-of-order?
post #15229 of 30938
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Originally Posted by khellandros66 View Post

I'd love it if we posted some pics everyone, show me updates or completely new setups, I wanna see what ya got as of late!!

bp30 / clr1000b front stage, powered by 3x450 (bridged) ati 1506. outlaw lfm-1ex. room is ~16x30x9.



bp2x surrounds, powered by 2x250 acurus a250.
bp1.2x rear surrounds, powered by 2x130 yamaha rx-v2600.
father-in-law made the coffee table...that's why we put up with it.



planned upgrades, happening as soon as i can find some nice used bits:

bpvx surround, resell 2x. let me know if you can help!
pre/pro (integra 40.1?), resell receiver. will need to pick up another amp (or 2) and juggle the rack before this is possible.
2nd sub(mersive?) and/or sub eq.

oh, and a brand new ground spike! hint: chuck it in a hammer drill and you can sink 8' into clay soil like it was warm butter.

post #15230 of 30938
awesome pics dookie

where do you have your bp30s & 1000b crossed or are you running them large ?
post #15231 of 30938
dookie,

Outstanding.
It's glaringly obvious you like this hobby. Well done.
I'll keep an eye out for some BPVXs, your setup is definitely screamin' for 'em.
Great pics and an excellent job on the surge protection also.

As far as the coffee table... perhaps you've gone above-and-beyond the call of duty for a son in-law.
post #15232 of 30938
Bravo dookie, well done.
post #15233 of 30938
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Originally Posted by dookie1 View Post

bp30 / clr1000b front stage, powered by 3x450 (bridged) ati 1506. outlaw lfm-1ex. room is ~16x30x9.



bp2x surrounds, powered by 2x250 acurus a250.
bp1.2x rear surrounds, powered by 2x130 yamaha rx-v2600.
father-in-law made the coffee table...that's why we put up with it.



planned upgrades, happening as soon as i can find some nice used bits:

bpvx surround, resell 2x. let me know if you can help!
pre/pro (integra 40.1?), resell receiver. will need to pick up another amp (or 2) and juggle the rack before this is possible.
2nd sub(mersive?) and/or sub eq.

oh, and a brand new ground spike! hint: chuck it in a hammer drill and you can sink 8' into clay soil like it was warm butter.


Why not just use the BP2x's in the rear when you get the BPVX's?
post #15234 of 30938
VERY nice dookie...nice clean look


cool gear all the way around...
post #15235 of 30938
g-bart, i owe you a compliment as well...

outstanding job on your theater

i love seeing the attention to detail you guys have obviously paid...
post #15236 of 30938
hey dookie, i just re-read your post again. i missed the part about the submersive

i bet a submersive with those bp30s clr1000b and bpvx's would be really incredible

the icing on the cake
post #15237 of 30938
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Originally Posted by lefthandluke View Post

g-bart, i owe you a compliment as well...

outstanding job on your theater

i love seeing the attention to detail you guys have obviously paid...

Thanks Luke. If you ever come to the Cleveland area, drop me a line. you are welcome to stop by. I have come a long way from my first system I bought with my eighth grade graduation money. I would like to install some built in shelfs to access the equipment without having to go in the closet. There is only one area that would accomidate that but it is reserved for a future bathroom.
The one issue I have to work on is the placement of the phoenix. It works and looks good where it is but it seems to have more impact upstairs then it does in the room (just ask my wife) It's just a beast to move around.
post #15238 of 30938
thanks all...wife is an architect and we had the luxury of starting with an unfinished walk-out basement. i did all the low voltage wiring myself, including everything on the floor above before the drywall went up on the basement ceiling. 2xCat5e/2xRG6QS to every LV drop (belden 'banana-peel' rocks!), biwire canare RS11 to every speaker, 3 dedicated 20a circuits (amps, data gear, other HT gear).

'medicine cabinet' opening in the theater wall is a 1/2 door to the front side of what we lovingly refer to as 'mission control'...



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Originally Posted by otk View Post

where do you have your bp30s & 1000b crossed or are you running them large ?

currently set small with 100hz xover. seems a little more taught than large/lower. i flip-flop with large/60 regularly...can't decide. had the sub on a side wall and it is much better up front.

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Originally Posted by headedforhighend View Post

I'll keep an eye out for some BPVXs, your setup is definitely screamin' for 'em.
Great pics and an excellent job on the surge protection also.

As far as the coffee table... perhaps you've gone above-and-beyond the call of duty for a son in-law.

thanks for the eye! i missed a set at $300 (no, not a typo) on audiogon a couple months ago. i'm sure they lasted all of 15min.

where are you seeing surge protection? oh...gound spike! that was to address a ground loop hum, which it did not. fixed now, but what an ordeal...don't ask.

coffee table had been mothballed, but came back into service when we moved the more toddler-friendly round table from the basement to the 1st floor. sigh...

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Originally Posted by Felton007 View Post

Why not just use the BP2x's in the rear when you get the BPVX's?

they are too tall for the soffets and would hang down below them by a couple inches. might look into it though...

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Originally Posted by g_bartman View Post

...If you ever come to the Cleveland area...

here we go brownies, here we go! grew up in cleveland heights...coventry rd. area. parents are still there and i'll be up for a friends 40th in a couple weeks. pm if you can accommodate the weekend of 1/16-17. i'm on a tight schedule, but would love to see another top-notch DT theater. your room layout looks pretty similar to mine.
post #15239 of 30938
I found a set of used (6yrs) D-Tech BP-10's and a C1-J for 550.00 in good condition. I'm just starting to put my first 5.1 together, but I was wondering what the thought was on the price vs age. If it is a good deal what would you recommned for rears and a sub?

seeburt
post #15240 of 30938
Hey guys,

I have finally got my BPX's mounted with the 2 rears mounted on the back wall and the 2 sides mounted with the drivers facing the side walls on the ceiling (angled slightly towards the main seating position). BP2004TL's fronts and CLR2500 center.

Theater Room is 14' X 14' with one side open.

Now I have several questions:

First, I see that there is some discussion regarding bipolar or direct radiating speakers for the rear - I enjoy my system, but am always on the look out for possible improvement . So if I were to replace the BPX's with direct radiating which DT speakers would you guys suggest?

Second, I don't have a separate sub (looking to get a SVS PB13 ultra in a few months) and have always had the BP2004's set as small with a separate LFE cable connected via a Y connector to the AVR for the sub. Is this the recommended method or should I not run the LFE and set the fronts to Large? When I get my separate sub should the BP2004's be set to Small?

Finally, I have the CLR2500 with jumpers between the High/Mid/Low with speaker wire only (not using the Full Range Low Level In). In reading the manual it shows the preferred method using one jumper between the High and Mids with a separate low level cable with a Y connector. Could any of you offer some comments about wiring the CLR2500? If I were to do this method I am not sure how to wire it to my Denon AVR 4310? The Denon does have a Pre-Out Center and 2 EXT IN Center connections as well as the Main Center (+ & -) terminals. Would I connect a Y cable from the Full Range Low Level In to one of the EXT IN Center inputs with the other going to the Pre-Out Center?
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