Definitive Owners Thread - Page 513

Originally Posted by otk

excursion is the xmax of a driver

it's how far the driver can move. the further it can move, the more air it can move (more output)

i asked svs what the xmax of their ultra driver was a while back and they don't give out that info

Originally Posted by mastermaybe

Yep, you know I have those 2000's too, and although not as close as yours are, they still provide quite a wallop in my 17X17 room.

I know down the road when I move to a dedicated theater/basement area, I'll get another Trinity and eventually upgrade to 7000's in the front, moving the 2000's to the side/rear., AND prolly add another pair of 2000's/7000's to complete the 7 channels.

Then: hide the children.

2 Trinities
4 7000's
2 2000's.



James

Originally Posted by progprog

Ah, okay. Do you know if it's an absolute kind of measurement, in that it directly correlates to output? (As opposed to being just one factor influencing output, such that a sub with greater excursion could still have lower output.) If so, I can see why companies might be reluctant to share that data, as it would allow such direct comparison between competitors.

Originally Posted by mastermaybe

Yeah, I think the rounded caps on the bottom just pop off.

James

Originally Posted by thecountofzero

Can someone confirm this. I just looked at the bottom of my 350s and it doesn't appear that the round caps come off.

Not to mention that they are further than 6 inches apart (at least front to
back).

Originally Posted by mastermaybe

^ I'm sure it happens (bias), but actually, I think it many times stems out of guys genuinely not trying to jargon or alienate the hell out of them (the overwhelming majority of the women I see on the boards here are newbies asking questions about tech). I just have NEVER met a women with even a passing interest in high end gear...especially audio. The blow-up of HDTV though sure helped the industry overall (in respect to women's interest). And although I've seen some "semi converted" significant others (like my fiance), most I know still laugh (or get angry) over the thought of spending a significant amount of money on something like loudspeakers or an amplifier.

Funny, I get the same way about jeans and handbags.

James

Originally Posted by progprog

Every time Trinity talk comes up, I start getting that certain hankering....that "what if I'm missing out?" feeling. Have you ever seen a store that actually stocks and demos the Trinity? I've only seen it as a special-order item. I'd really like to hear one and know that it'd add something significant to my system (over or in addition to my Reference) before taking the plunge.

Originally Posted by g_bartman

I don't consider myself a "bass head" but after being in this community for a while now I felt like I wanted to have the ability to rattle the rafters. Between the 7001's, svs, earthquake and now the phoenix, mission accomplished.

Originally Posted by thecountofzero

Can someone confirm this. I just looked at the bottom of my 350s and it doesn't appear that the round caps come off.

Not to mention that they are further than 6 inches apart (at least front to
back).

Originally Posted by progprog

When I commented that I just had my 450s sitting (unattached) on some stands, I meant that their bottom endcaps were still on, so there was no need to worry about those little friction-knobby thingies getting in the way. When I said you drive screws up through the stand plate, I meant that they go directly into the speakers' end caps. Yes, this wreaks havoc with that smooth piano finish......

Originally Posted by g_bartman

I don't consider myself a "bass head" but after being in this community for a while now I felt like I wanted to have the ability to rattle the rafters. Between the 7001's, svs, earthquake and now the phoenix, mission accomplished. I wish I had the oppertunity to compare the trinity, ultra, seaton, ed, and epik. That would be nearly impossible. A lightly used phoenix came up for sale, I had to pull the trigger. No regrets. The seaton woiuld have been great but I saved myself 1.2 k so I can't complain.

Originally Posted by headedforhighend

I just tried applying a reasonable amount of force to remove the base cap of one of my SM350s and couldn't do it... I'll be dimmed.
May have to remove the binding post plate to see why.

Originally Posted by schroedk

Oh, what are you afraid of...just take a crowbar to it

Originally Posted by lefthandluke

g-bart, trust me...with that setup, you ARE a basshead

Originally Posted by g_bartman

OK, guilty as charged. I always thought of the loud, obnoxious cars going by as bass heads so I don't consider it as a badge of honor

Originally Posted by ohjay

the room is about 1100 ft2 and I'm not so concerned about SPL to be honest but more an all encompassing sound and I might be going about it all wrong. I was at a friend of a friends place not long ago and listened to his little 35w tube setup and was impressed with the clairity and separation in the sound. And the price.. wow.. tube setups aint cheap.. but the payoff is amazing..

I can't see myself going the tube route as I use the room/AVR for movies and audio and occasionally everyday tv watching and the 805 does all of that very well.. then I hear guys with power amps talk about clarity and separation and I get all silly in the head.. I think I just have to educate myself about how a PA works and what I'll benefit from one.[/QUOTE

Just an opinion/confession to follow.

I am a hopeless gear-head. I realized a long, long time ago that I have a disease and, unlike most of the decisions I make in life, not all of my A/V choices are rooted in either practicality or, sadly, an abundance of irrefutable fact.

Power amps are a great example of that reality in MY experience.

First, I have owned DOZENS of hi-end AVR's and power amps. Dozens. They've varied in power output from 60 watts per channel to 600 WPC. I have no doubt spent thousands of hours listening to them with every channel of media conceivable.

And you know what? I can say that, at normal or even moderate listening levels, there was nary an audible difference between ANY of them. Now, I'll openly admit to having never owned a "tube" amp you spoke of. Although I've heard them and have always felt that some, to me anyways, OPENLY color the sound in a way that simply appears un-natural to ME. My feelings are solely built around and upon solid-state amplifier tech that represent 99% of the market.

Now, I know some will discard my aforementioned assertion and my cotton-filled ears. Good for them. I don't own everyone's ears, so I cant speak for them. All I can do is provide my own, rather extensive experience.

Now, does this mean every amplifier is equal in every regard? Of course not. Larger (or more efficiently designed) amps, with more robust power supplies and better heat dissipation (amongst other factors) will play LOUDER, likely last longer, and MAY provide a bit more punch in the area of dynamics (key word being may).

BUT, imperatively, this is usually only realized at significantly higher levels than those most humans subject themselves to 98+% of the time. And, importantly, with the power encased in many well-built AVR's these days, these "normal" (and even above normal) levels are easily achieved in most small to average sized rooms.

The science doesn't lie. In a 20X20 room (the size of a normal living room) a well-constructed AVR delivering 100 clean watts to a pair of moderately sensitive loudspeakers (like DT's) can deliver SPL's at or near 100db's ATLP.

Put it like this: there's a well-known (and despised within some hi-end circles) gentleman named Richard Clark who's had a long-standing $10,000 prize/reward to ANYONE who can detect and differentiate properly functioning, level-adjusted power amplifiers.

Thousands have taken the test.

The $10,000 is still in Richard's pocket.

DO I think those who purchase separate power amps are dunderheads?

No. I own them and I am certainly not a dunderhead. They have their place in a small percentage of home applications.

Do I think the VAST majority of the "audiophile's" money is better spent on quality source material, loudspeakers (and their configuration), and room treatments?

Absolutely.

take it for whatever it's worth.


James

Originally Posted by Kurolicious

After calibrating my BP7006's and CLR2300 to 70db with my SPL meter on my Pioneer 92TXH receiver, most of the trims came out in the minus range (L -2, C -4.5, R -3, SR +1, SL -3.5, SW -4.5). Although the speakers sound good, if a little weak and peaky at times especially with dialog, if I push the trims up 5db to be at 75db, I notice these speakers sound much better. There is a distinct difference in how the built-in subs sound between the trims in the minus range and when they are closer to 0. Now, this could be the result of the sound stage created by having the trims in the minus range but I was curious to see if anyone else has experienced this.

Originally Posted by lodit

Are you guys mounting your BPX's or putting them on stands?

I guess it depends on how high on the rear wall they should be placed.

Any suggestions?

I'm running 7002 fronts, 7002 surrounds, BPX rear surrounds, SC Ref.

I'm wondering if I should level the BPX's at the same height as the 7002s?

In which case, I'd rather just have them on stands so I don't have to drill holes in the wall.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by lodit

Are you guys mounting your BPX's or putting them on stands?

Originally Posted by lodit

Are you guys mounting your BPX's or putting them on stands?

I guess it depends on how high on the rear wall they should be placed.

Any suggestions?

I'm running 7002 fronts, 7002 surrounds, BPX rear surrounds, SC Ref.

I'm wondering if I should level the BPX's at the same height as the 7002s?

In which case, I'd rather just have them on stands so I don't have to drill holes in the wall.

Thanks.